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message 1: by Rachel (new)

Rachel Hartman Yeah, "go potty on yourself" really put me off. Not even my son, back in his actual potty training days, would have said that.


message 2: by John (new)

John Egbert Sam(antha) can't write poetry to save his life. Why does Maggie patronize us so?


message 3: by Cory (new)

Cory I had to unlike and like this again, just because I agree 100%.


message 4: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Cory wrote: "I had to unlike and like this again, just because I agree 100%."

Thanks Cory. Your review was one of my favorite reviews of Shiver. A true masterpiece. :)


message 5: by Caline (new)

Caline Umm.... I have some things to say. Sorry. I'm not "trolling" or whatever, I respect that you don't like this book, but you're pointing fingers at all the wrong things. "This story has no description." This story has the most description I've ever read in a book. True, sometimes it was overbearing, but that's got to be the biggest lie right there. Parenting like that does come along every now and then, sadly, and I do agree that Sam and Grace fell in love a little too quickly and that she didn't give her friends much of her time of day.

""Mercy Falls was all about rumors, and the rumor on Jack was that he got his short fuse from his dad. I didn’t know about that. It seemed like you ought to pick the sort of person you would be, no matter what your parents were like."

What a heartless bitch. Grace hears rumors that Jack was being abused by his father and she shows no empathy for him."

I laughed so hard when I read that, I can't even put it to words. "... and the rumor on Jack was that he got his short fuse from his dad." most definitely does not mean that his dad abuses him -.- It means that he inherited his temper tantrums from his dad. That's kind of a facepalm moment there. I'm guessing that you skimmed most of the story, for most of your other things that you felt to complain about. Alright, that's it. I just wanted to point that out to you. Good day.


message 6: by Lisa (last edited Oct 05, 2012 05:08PM) (new)

Lisa Caline wrote: "Umm.... I have some things to say. Sorry. I'm not "trolling" or whatever, I respect that you don't like this book, but you're pointing fingers at all the wrong things. "This story has no descriptio..."

A good rule of thumb is that if you have to say you're not a troll then you probably are one. It's pretty clear from your comment that you don't respect my opinion. I find it very suspicious that you've only rated five books, three of which are from the Wolves and Mercy Falls trilogy, and all five were rated five stars. As for your specific points regarding my review, here is my response:

1) I never said this story has no description. I did acknowledge that there was a lot of description, however, there was pertinent information left out and I gave quite a few examples.

2) I am fully aware of the fact that there are terrible parents in this world because I used to be a social worker. My complaint was that there was no explanation given (told or shown) for Grace's parents' behavior. Having worked with neglectful parents I can tell you that there is always a reason, usually substance abuse, mental illness, or both.

3) We'll have to agree to disagree about Grace and Sam being the perfect example of instalove, and that Grace neglected her friends for him.

4) Abuse is not just physical, it can be emotional (as well as sexual but that's OT). Grace states that Jack has been exposed to his father's short temper and shows no empathy for him, which I think is callous. I read Stiefvater's statement to mean Jack was a victim of his father's temper, but even if he were merely witnessing it, it would be pretty traumatic for him as a child. Anger management problems tend to be pervasive so if his father was losing his temper in public it's likely he was losing it at home too with his wife and children.

5) I most definitely did not skim this book otherwise I would not have been able to pull out direct quotes and specific examples to back up the many points I brought up in my review. I do, however, suspect that you merely skimmed my review.


message 7: by Caline (new)

Caline Thank you very much. ^


message 8: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Murray I was drinking something when I read this review and was laughing so hard I almost ended up wearing it.


message 9: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Jennifer wrote: "I was drinking something when I read this review and was laughing so hard I almost ended up wearing it."

Consuming liquids can be dangerous while on Goodreads. There have been quite a few times it's happened to me too. I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)


message 10: by Merna (new)

Merna I agree, the lyrics were really bad. Bad enough for me to feel embarrassed for the Author. I think Maggie must have realized how much of a girl sam sounded, since she did so much better in her other book The Raven Boys.


message 11: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Merna wrote: "I agree, the lyrics were really bad. Bad enough for me to feel embarrassed for the Author. I think Maggie must have realized how much of a girl sam sounded, since she did so much better in her oth..."

I liked The Raven Boys a lot better too. I think part of the reason the boys sounded less feminine was that it was written in third person instead of first person.


message 12: by Merna (new)

Merna The best part of the raven boys is that there was no insta-love. I don't know if I should count Adam though. I'm pretty sure he didn't love blue he just really liked her.


message 13: by Su (new)

Su I liked this book, for some reasons, but I really like your review, too.


message 14: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Su wrote: "I liked this book, for some reasons, but I really like your review, too."

Thank you, Su. :)


message 15: by Nessa (new)

Nessa I really like your review. You mentioned everything that I would write or say about this book.


message 16: by Lei (new)

Lei Question, what's wrong with using the word slather? And I'm pretty sure that most teens (being one myself) would know what it means and use it sometime. I completely agree with the rest of your review by the way.


message 17: by Lisa (last edited Dec 13, 2015 11:10PM) (new)

Lisa Lei wrote: "Question, what's wrong with using the word slather? And I'm pretty sure that most teens (being one myself) would know what it means and use it sometime. I completely agree with the rest of your rev..."

I've never heard a teenager use the word slather, currently or when I was one, except to say something was slathered on something else, like slathering mayonnaise on bread. The way the word was used in this novel was an uncommon usage, and I don't think many teenagers, or even adults, would use it that way in every day speech.


message 18: by Catherine (new)

Catherine A. He used the phrase "went potty" to tease her. What she told the man made her sound young and dumb, and that was his way of expressing his amusement. Overall, I thought it was a GREAT book, but that's just me…


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