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Le nuvole

3.76  ·  Rating details ·  6,568 ratings  ·  233 reviews
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Un padre sull'orlo della bancarotta, un figlio scialacquatore spalleggiato dalla madre: per trasformarsi in un furbo e non pagare i debiti, il vecchio Strepsiade decide di rivolgersi ad uno specialista, uno che sappia insegnare, come dicono, ad avere ragione anche con il torto. Questa è l'esplosiva situazione alle spalle de "Le nuvole", esilarante
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Paperback, 262 pages
Published 2001 by Rizzoli (first published -423)
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Praj
Feb 22, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: phanes
“Well, what do the slanderers say? They shall be my prosecutors, and I will sum up their words in an affidavit: 'Socrates is an evil-doer, and a curious person, who searches into things under the earth and in heaven, and he makes the worse appear the better cause; and he teaches the aforesaid doctrines to others.' Such is the nature of the accusation: it is just what you have yourselves seen in the comedy of Aristophanes (Aristoph., Clouds.), who has introduced a man whom he calls Socrates, goi ...more
Dagio_maya
Sep 12, 2018 rated it really liked it
Shelves: classica, teatro
La commedia “Le nuvole” che leggiamo oggi è una rielaborazione che Aristofane fece (presumibilmente tra il 418 e il 421 a.C.) in seguito alla sconfitta subita alle agóni teatrali del 423.
Si tratta di una versione incompleta sopravvissuta nella forma scritta ma, a quanto pare, mai rappresentata.

Lo scenario si apre con il vecchio Strepsiade insonne per i troppi pensieri: è sommerso dai debiti contratti per viziare il figlio Fidippide il quale non contento gioca continuamente ai cavalli. Insomma l
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Michael
Dec 01, 2011 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: classics, drama
Sigh. I think I'm in the minority here, but for the most part, I just don't find Aristophanes funny. I found myself reading over passages thinking, Okay, I should be laughing, but probably ended up looking like this the entire time:


That is all.
Manuel Antão
Nov 26, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2002
If you're into stuff like this, you can read the full review.



Socratean Thinkery: "Clouds" by Aristophanes




(Original Review, 2002-06-20)


In Taoism the idea of the relativity of judgement is important. So to describe something as heavy is neither true nor false since in different contexts any particular object could be usefully described as both heavy and light.

Language uses binary oppositions like heavy/light whereas in the real world there is a continuum of weight and so heavy and light are relati
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Yann
Les Nuées sont une pièce d'Aristophane, un auteur de comédie Athénien de la fin du cinquième siècle avant notre ère. A cette époque, la ville d'Athènes était au fait de sa puissance, à la tête d'une redoutable confédération maritime, et au début d'une lutte sans merci contre la confédération de Sparte. Mais ce conflit n’a en rien arrêté une tradition maintenant solidement ancrée dans la culture de la ville, celle des fêtes religieuses qui donnent lieu à des processions et des concours : parmi el ...more
Amy
I'm not really sure how you're supposed to review a play that has been around since 423 BC but...y'all, this was really funny. I found it unexpectedly thought-provoking and entertaining. I'm sure I missed most of the jokes since I just decided to read it without doing any prior research, but standing alone it proved itself quite fun. Possibly it helps that I have no opinion whatsoever about Socrates and did not mind him getting mocked. I'm not sure I "agree" Aristophanes position, but I admire t ...more
Anna
Jun 26, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
ο γνωστός κλασικός διαχρονικός Αριστοφάνης, για το πώς κάποια πράγματα μπορεί να σου γυρίσουν τούμπα, με εκπληκτικό debate ανάμεσα στο δίκαιο και τον άδικο λόγο, αναδεικνύοντας τα χαρακτηριστικά της ανθρώπινης φύσης!
مسعود حسینی
ترجمه روان است.
مترجم در مقدمه می گوید که اسامی را مطابق تلفظ یونانی آورده، اما دست کم شش جور اشکال در این اقدام او هست.
1. سقراط را دیگر نباید سکراتیس نوشت
2. ذیاس و زئوس به تناوب تکرار شده اند و مراد از هر دو، زئوس است
3. خایرفون را خرفون آورده، با اینکه صورت یونانی آن را در یادداشت ها آورده
ΧΑΙΡΕΦΩΝ
4. دلتا را ذ می نویسد.
5. اوپسیلون را ی می نویسد
6. اتا را ی می نویسد، مثلا آریستوفانیس و نه آریستوفانس

نکته جالب این نمایشنامه برای من اینه که حتی در یونان باستان هم آدم خر پیدا می شده. یعنی جز تهران خودم
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Jonfaith
Jan 03, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
While this edition suffers from a too modern translation The Clouds resonates, all too self aware, castigating the audience, slurring them actually. This great farce takes aim at the secular university and the godless wiseasses it produces.

As Goodreads friend Sologdin noted, it is intriguing to see Socrates cast as a pre-Socratic. Much like Derrida’s post card.

A middle class father is deep in debt as a result of his son's lavish lifestyle. Father hopes education will allow the son to use logic a
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Sarah
Oct 21, 2014 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
The Clouds may be the best play I've read so far from Aristophanes. It's the cleverest in satire as well as genuinely funny- I mean, if an ancient play can make me laugh as much as an Oscar Wilde play makes me laugh, that's a very, very good sign for what's to come in the future.

In this play, Aristophanes attacks and satirizes Socrates and his followers/students, making them seem ridiculous and illogical. In fact, Aristophanes includes Socrates as a character, who is portrayed as a great teache
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Amaranta
Sep 10, 2018 rated it liked it
“Sempre cosí facciamo, a chi vediamo
che piglia gusto a fare birbonate,
finché poi lo cacciamo in qualche guaio,
sí ch'egli impari a rispettare i Numi!”


Un vecchio scaltro per colpa di un figlio spendaccione si ritrova pieno di debiti. Ecco che la sua idea è quella di diventare un bravo oratore per mettere nel sacco i suoi creditori e farla franca. E come riuscire nell’impresa se non affidandosi al grande Socrate?
Le nuvole sono i nuovi dei a cui ci si affida, dimenticandone i soliti e cari. Ma davv
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Yani
Si mal no recuerdo, es la primera comedia clásica que leo. No sé si puedo decir que las prefiero por encima de las tragedias, pero sí que esta obra en particular me resultó entretenida... hasta cierto punto.

La historia parece sencilla al principio y tiene ciertas vueltas que no la dejan caer en lo simplón. Estrepsíades (cuesta pronunciarlo...) es un agricultor que tiene deudas, principalmente con Pasias, un acreedor. Con el fin de escudarse ante una posible demanda, quiere enviar a Fidípides, s
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Steve
Read in the translation of William Arrowsmith.
Γιώργος
Μετά από την «Ἀπολογία Σωκράτους» δεν μπορούσα να μην διαβάσω και τις «Νεφέλες» του Αριστοφάνη, το έργο που έχει μια (μικρή, ίσως) ευθύνη για την άποψη του λαού για τον Σωκράτη (ταῦτα γάρ ἑωρᾶτε καί αὐτοί ἐν τῇ Ἀριστοφάνους κωμῳδίᾳ, Σωκράτη τινά ἐκεῖ περιφερόμενον, φάσκοντά τε ἀεροβατεῖν καί ἄλλην πολλήν φλυαρίαν φλυαροῦντα, ὧν ἐγώ οὐδέν οὔτε μέγα οὔτε μικρόν πέρι ἐπαΐω Ἀπολογία Σωκράτους 19c). Αρκετά καλή κωμωδία που σατιρίζει χωρίς καμία αιδώ και τον Σωκράτη με όλους τους μαθητές του αλλά και ...more
Cemre
Bulutlar, Sokrates'i ölüme götüren oyun olarak zihnimde yer etmiş bir oyun. Sokrates'in bu oyun sonrasında ölüm cezasına mahkûm edildiği söylenir.

Gelenekçi bir yapıya sahip Aristophanes, Sokrates'i sofistlerle bir tutar ve onun birtakım ahlâk kurallarını, gelenekleri yıktığından, inançları sarstığından bahisle Sokrates'i yerden yere vurur. Bu oyun da tam anlamıyla bunun üzerine kurulu. Mahkemede borçlarını ödemekten kurtulmak isteyen Strepsiades kendisini mahkemede savunmak için oğlunun Sokrate
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Charlene
Jul 07, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: mythology
Some things haven't changed much in 2400 years. What is a parent to do with a hard to raise kid? Send them to a good school, a thinkery. But to what end? So his kid can learn logic to outsmart his creditors and not be held accountable for his actions. #EducationGoals


Socrates provides evidence against a supernatural entity. Yet, no matter the scientific evidence, religion is hard to kill. The religious go against evidence and end up with stronger beliefs, no matter how illogical. All the while, t
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Robert
Dec 17, 2009 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
If you don't laugh when you read this play, you simply don't have a pulse...

This play is "immediately-turn-you-into-an-actor-reciting-lines-while-walking-through-your-house-by-yourself-as-you-laugh" funny...

But one problem is, I suspect I will never see a live performance that lives up to the one portrayed in my imagination. Honestly a great play to read and probably an especially difficult play to pull off on stage. You need to be very reckless, loud, and have some eccentric, brilliant exaggera
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Paul Christensen
Nov 16, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Leaving aside the question of to what extent
This glimpse of Socrates’ youth is anywise accurate

(In ‘Apology’ he admitted that his old intent
Was to study the physical world, before he lent

His attention to a self-thought deeper bent),
This is still a funny play, to a large extent.

Greybeard by Paul Christensen
Ivy-Mabel Fling
Aug 30, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is quite funny in parts (although comedy, in my view, does not transfer well to different eras) and surprisingly modern in its theme (how to worm one's way out of debt without actually paying it). I think readers need an introduction in order to understand the text properly.
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I guess it was my first time reading a comedy... I picked it up on purpose actually! I think I still need to think about it but the way Socrates was depicted by Aristophanes and how the struggle between old and new is presented is really smart! Strepsiades, who is trying to use the new for his own good, eventually reaches the point that he notices the new is not merely going to be an operator but is going to act as a condition whose dominance will turn up against old, no matter what! I'm going t ...more
pax
Mal wieder in einer Holzberg-Übersetzung. Höchst Amüsant.
Erin the Avid Reader ⚜BFF's with the Cheshire Cat⚜
Aristophanes simply brings and fills my very being with so much joy...full review to come shortly.
رحمان
The infamous play that supposedly contributed to the demise of Socrates by ruining his image and making it easy for his enemies to execute him. Funny enough, Socrates wasn't actually one of the Sophists this play was aiming to ridicule but was probably chosen by Aristophanes to represent them because of his ugly and caricature-like face. In fact, Socrates (or Plato?) hated the Sophists with a passion since their aim wasn't to acquire knowledge but to master the art of rhetoric and find the most ...more
Phil Jensen
What's the deal with The Clouds? Things you should know:

1. This is allegedly the play that defamed Socrates so badly that Athens rose up and executed him.

2. This is a revised version of the original play, and contains speeches complaining that the play came in third place when it debuted.

3. This play is a brutal satire in the vein of Swift's A Modest Proposal, and it is more shocking than most modern comedies.

4. At its heart, this play is a debate between tradition and enlightenment/debauchery.
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Angelo Giardini
Em "As Nuvens", comédia de Aristófanes, o personagem principal busca alistar-se e a seu filho como discípulos de Sócrates, não para alcançar qualquer elevação de espírito ou de pensamento, mas para ser capaz de defender o "injusto" com argumentos sagazes e conseguir assim ver-se livre de várias dívidas, ganhando as causas no Tribunal.

Trata-se de evidente sátira ao pensamento e disciplina socráticos e da subversão dos costumes e ideias clássicas na Grécia. Recomendo aos que desejarem lê-la que, s
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Claire
This is Aristophanes' satire lambasting the Sophists, and Socrates in particular (even though Socrates despised the Sophists he was associated with them by the masses). It's also a critique of the litigious nature of Athens at that time. I was struck by some similarities today, especially, ironically, the underlying concept of our society's lax attention to morality in the face of personal gain. "lie a little, take advantage of one's neighbor a little..." etc.

My first foray into the works of Ari
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Laurinha Lero
Dec 29, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
"FIDÍPIDES: Como é doce conviver com ideias novas e engenhosas, e poder desprezar as leis estabelecidas!"

Aristófanes não é o mais sutil dos tradicionalistas gregos, e condena a sofística de Protágoras no mesmo embalo que a retórica de Sócrates, coitado, que nada tinha com isso. Densa com referências políticas e culturais - quase 50% da minha edição era de notas de rodapé -, a peça é surpreendemente vulgar e cheia de piadas de PEIDO que continuam engraçadas dois milênios e meio depois da encenaçã
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Andrea
Jan 20, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: litvit, plays
I find it really funny how people think that "in the old days" everything was so much better and they were so much mature, but this play proves them so wrong!

I love the way Aristophanes got so offended by the third place that he re-wrote this play and made fun of how he did not win because of his dirty jokes. This comedy proves that even in the ancient Greece the humour were the same as now, and the presence of irony and mocking were ever so funny!
Nicoleta
Jan 07, 2018 marked it as to-read  ·  review of another edition
TNB, cu Bindea, Albulescu, Ilinca Goia. Muzică, dans, spectatori chemați pe scenă.
Socrate se gândește cât sar puricii, pe unde scot sunete țânțarii, care e femininul de la cocor, îndeamnă țăranii să nu mai creadă în zei fiindca norii aduc ploaia și știe doar ca nu știe nimic, bineînțeles.
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ممنون از بانو اسما بابت کتاب.
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Aristophanes (Greek: Αριστοφάνης; c. 446 BCE – c. 386 BCE) was a playwright of ancient Athens.

About 11 of his works are known in full, and they are the only plays of the "Old Comedy" style to have survived. They are The Acharnians, The Birds, The Clouds, The Ecclesiazusae, The Frogs, The Knights, Peace, Plutus (Wealth), The Thesmophoriazusae, and The Wasps. These plays have been translated into m
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“How can I study from below, that which is above?” 17 likes
“That is what we do each time we see someone who falls in love with evil strategies, until we hurl him into misery, so he may learn to fear the Gods.” 3 likes
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