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Ils vont nu-pieds, leur teint est pâle comme celui des cadavres, leurs regards sont brillants. Ils se servent de leur langue affûtée pour enseigner, contre salaire, l'art exquis de douter de tout, de transformer le discours juste en discours injuste et de vivre au-dessus des lois. Dans l'ombre du « pensoir », ces morts-vivants ont pour maître le bavard, le divin Socrate.
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Paperback, Classiques en Poche, 206 pages
Published 2009 by Belles Lettres (first published -423)
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Praj
Feb 22, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: phanes
“Well, what do the slanderers say? They shall be my prosecutors, and I will sum up their words in an affidavit: 'Socrates is an evil-doer, and a curious person, who searches into things under the earth and in heaven, and he makes the worse appear the better cause; and he teaches the aforesaid doctrines to others.' Such is the nature of the accusation: it is just what you have yourselves seen in the comedy of Aristophanes (Aristoph., Clouds.), who has introduced a man whom he calls Socrates, goi ...more
Yann
Jul 25, 2011 rated it it was amazing
Les Nuées sont une pièce d'Aristophane, un auteur de comédie Athénien de la fin du cinquième siècle avant notre ère. A cette époque, la ville d'Athènes était au fait de sa puissance, à la tête d'une redoutable confédération maritime, et au début d'une lutte sans merci contre la confédération de Sparte. Mais ce conflit n’a en rien arrêté une tradition maintenant solidement ancrée dans la culture de la ville, celle des fêtes religieuses qui donnent lieu à des processions et des concours : parmi el ...more
Michael
Dec 01, 2011 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: classics, drama
Sigh. I think I'm in the minority here, but for the most part, I just don't find Aristophanes funny. I found myself reading over passages thinking, Okay, I should be laughing, but probably ended up looking like this the entire time:


That is all.
Anna
Jun 26, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
ο γνωστός κλασικός διαχρονικός Αριστοφάνης, για το πώς κάποια πράγματα μπορεί να σου γυρίσουν τούμπα, με εκπληκτικό debate ανάμεσα στο δίκαιο και τον άδικο λόγο, αναδεικνύοντας τα χαρακτηριστικά της ανθρώπινης φύσης!
مسعود حسینی
ترجمه روان است.
مترجم در مقدمه می گوید که اسامی را مطابق تلفظ یونانی آورده، اما دست کم شش جور اشکال در این اقدام او هست.
1. سقراط را دیگر نباید سکراتیس نوشت
2. ذیاس و زئوس به تناوب تکرار شده اند و مراد از هر دو، زئوس است
3. خایرفون را خرفون آورده، با اینکه صورت یونانی آن را در یادداشت ها آورده
ΧΑΙΡΕΦΩΝ
4. دلتا را ذ می نویسد.
5. اوپسیلون را ی می نویسد
6. اتا را ی می نویسد، مثلا آریستوفانیس و نه آریستوفانس

نکته جالب این نمایشنامه برای من اینه که حتی در یونان باستان هم آدم خر پیدا می شده. یعنی جز تهران خودم
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Yani
Jun 14, 2015 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: teatro, universidad
Si mal no recuerdo, es la primera comedia clásica que leo. No sé si puedo decir que las prefiero por encima de las tragedias, pero sí que esta obra en particular me resultó entretenida... hasta cierto punto.

La historia parece sencilla al principio y tiene ciertas vueltas que no la dejan caer en lo simplón. Estrepsíades (cuesta pronunciarlo...) es un agricultor que tiene deudas, principalmente con Pasias, un acreedor. Con el fin de escudarse ante una posible demanda, quiere enviar a Fidípides, s
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Sarah
Oct 21, 2014 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
The Clouds may be the best play I've read so far from Aristophanes. It's the cleverest in satire as well as genuinely funny- I mean, if an ancient play can make me laugh as much as an Oscar Wilde play makes me laugh, that's a very, very good sign for what's to come in the future.

In this play, Aristophanes attacks and satirizes Socrates and his followers/students, making them seem ridiculous and illogical. In fact, Aristophanes includes Socrates as a character, who is portrayed as a great teache
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Steve
Read in the translation of William Arrowsmith.
Γιώργος
Μετά από την «Ἀπολογία Σωκράτους» δεν μπορούσα να μην διαβάσω και τις «Νεφέλες» του Αριστοφάνη, το έργο που έχει μια (μικρή, ίσως) ευθύνη για την άποψη του λαού για τον Σωκράτη (ταῦτα γάρ ἑωρᾶτε καί αὐτοί ἐν τῇ Ἀριστοφάνους κωμῳδίᾳ, Σωκράτη τινά ἐκεῖ περιφερόμενον, φάσκοντά τε ἀεροβατεῖν καί ἄλλην πολλήν φλυαρίαν φλυαροῦντα, ὧν ἐγώ οὐδέν οὔτε μέγα οὔτε μικρόν πέρι ἐπαΐω Ἀπολογία Σωκράτους 19c). Αρκετά καλή κωμωδία που σατιρίζει χωρίς καμία αιδώ και τον Σωκράτη με όλους τους μαθητές του αλλά και ...more
Cemre
Bulutlar, Sokrates'i ölüme götüren oyun olarak zihnimde yer etmiş bir oyun. Sokrates'in bu oyun sonrasında ölüm cezasına mahkûm edildiği söylenir.

Gelenekçi bir yapıya sahip Aristophanes, Sokrates'i sofistlerle bir tutar ve onun birtakım ahlâk kurallarını, gelenekleri yıktığından, inançları sarstığından bahisle Sokrates'i yerden yere vurur. Bu oyun da tam anlamıyla bunun üzerine kurulu. Mahkemede borçlarını ödemekten kurtulmak isteyen Strepsiades kendisini mahkemede savunmak için oğlunun Sokrate
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Charlene
Jul 07, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: mythology
Some things haven't changed much in 2400 years. What is a parent to do with a hard to raise kid? Send them to a good school, a thinkery. But to what end? So his kid can learn logic to outsmart his creditors and not be held accountable for his actions. #EducationGoals


Socrates provides evidence against a supernatural entity. Yet, no matter the scientific evidence, religion is hard to kill. The religious go against evidence and end up with stronger beliefs, no matter how illogical. All the while, t
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pax
Mal wieder in einer Holzberg-Übersetzung. Höchst Amüsant.
Robert
Dec 17, 2009 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
If you don't laugh when you read this play, you simply don't have a pulse...

This play is "immediately-turn-you-into-an-actor-reciting-lines-while-walking-through-your-house-by-yourself-as-you-laugh" funny...

But one problem is, I suspect I will never see a live performance that lives up to the one portrayed in my imagination. Honestly a great play to read and probably an especially difficult play to pull off on stage. You need to be very reckless, loud, and have some eccentric, brilliant exaggera
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Angelo Giardini
Em "As Nuvens", comédia de Aristófanes, o personagem principal busca alistar-se e a seu filho como discípulos de Sócrates, não para alcançar qualquer elevação de espírito ou de pensamento, mas para ser capaz de defender o "injusto" com argumentos sagazes e conseguir assim ver-se livre de várias dívidas, ganhando as causas no Tribunal.

Trata-se de evidente sátira ao pensamento e disciplina socráticos e da subversão dos costumes e ideias clássicas na Grécia. Recomendo aos que desejarem lê-la que, s
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Claire
This is Aristophanes' satire lambasting the Sophists, and Socrates in particular (even though Socrates despised the Sophists he was associated with them by the masses). It's also a critique of the litigious nature of Athens at that time. I was struck by some similarities today, especially, ironically, the underlying concept of our society's lax attention to morality in the face of personal gain. "lie a little, take advantage of one's neighbor a little..." etc.

My first foray into the works of Ari
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علی‌رضا میم
یه مقدار ارجاعات کتاب آزار دهنده بود که ته کتاب بود.

الان حال ریویو نوشتن ندارم.
ولی در کل این نمایشنامه رو توصیه نمیکنم، بهتر از این هم هست خیلی. مگر اینکه میخواید ببینید که 2500 سال پیش چطور یونانیا نمایشنامه مینوشتند

ممنون از بانو اسما بابت کتاب.
Paul Christensen
Nov 16, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Leaving aside the question of to what extent
This glimpse of Socrates’ youth is anywise accurate

(In ‘Apology’ he admitted that his old intent
Was to study the physical world, before he lent

His attention to a self-thought deeper bent),
This is still a funny play, to a large extent.

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Victoria
The edition of 'The Clouds' that I read was a part of the anthology Eight Great Comedies and was translated by Benjamin Bickley Rogers. This book that was lent to me by my school as a part of our English unit on comedy, where we briefly studied The Importance of Being Earnest, another play within the volume. As this school year is coming to an end, I figured that I should try to read some of the other comedies while I had the book in my hands.

Reading ancient plays do, by nature, come with some d
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Rahman
The infamous play that supposedly contributed to the demise of Socrates by ruining his image and making it easy for his enemies to execute him. Funny enough, Socrates wasn't actually one of the Sophists this play was aiming to ridicule but was probably chosen by Aristophanes to represent them because of his ugly and caricature-like face. In fact, Socrates (or Plato?) hated the Sophists with a passion since their aim wasn't to acquire knowledge but to master the art of rhetoric and find the most ...more
Juan Pablo
Obra que critica la sofística (y a Sócrates como sofista, lo que es bastante interesante para la historia de la filosofía), planteando un conflicto que no nos es ajeno, entre folosofía-retórica-conocimento-ciencia y tradición-. El protagonista (un viejo llamado Estrepsíades, adeudado por la afición de su hijo Fidípides a los caballos) va en busca de Sócrates para que le enseñe el arte de la oratoria, a fin de poder librarse de sus acreedores que pronto lo llevarán a juicio. Lo encuentra, como es ...more
Francisco H. González
Aristófanes (Atenas, 444 a. C. - 385 a. C) es un comediógrafo que no pasa de moda. Hace unas semanas representaron en mi ciudad una obra suya, La asamblea de las mujeres, la cual recomiendo porque es muy graciosa.

Lo que me resulta curioso de esta comedia es que aparece Sócrates como un personaje importante de la obra, el cual, no sale muy bien parado. Lejos su halo virtuoso con el que ha pasado a la posteridad, aquí resulta objeto de mofa por parte de Aristófanes que se toma a chufla la filosofí
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Gerardo
Aug 03, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: teatro
Ogni testo classico ha numerosi riferimenti al proprio contesto sociale e politico. Le commedie, che trattano di argomenti contingenti all'epoca di rappresentazione, sono ancora di più difficile lettura: perciò, è importante munirsi di una buona edizione con ampie note, capaci di contestualizzare le battute e fornirci informazioni sui vari rimandi ai fatti dell'epoca.

Questa commedia prende in giro la scuola filosofica dei sofisti, i quali sopravvivevano vendendo le proprie conoscenze. Infatti,
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Phil Jensen
What's the deal with The Clouds? Things you should know:

1. This is allegedly the play that defamed Socrates so badly that Athens rose up and executed him.

2. This is a revised version of the original play, and contains speeches complaining that the play came in third place when it debuted.

3. This play is a brutal satire in the vein of Swift's A Modest Proposal, and it is more shocking than most modern comedies.

4. At its heart, this play is a debate between tradition and enlightenment/debauchery.
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Sara Elice
Jun 09, 2009 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: play, translation, greek
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Chris
Nov 08, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Αυτό το κείμενο αφορά το κόμικ των Αποστολίδη-Ακοκκαλίδη κ οχι καθεαυτή την κωμωδία του Αριστοφάνη: Είναι ατυχές που το κόμικ συγχωνεύεται με το πρωτότυπο κείμενο όσον αφορά βαθμολογία κ κριτικές γιατί πρόκειται για μια δουλειά που δε είναι μια απλή μεταφορά του πρωτοτύπου αλλά μια ουσιαστική διασκευή που ενώ ακολουθεί τα βασικά σημεία της κωμωδίας καταφέρνει έντεχνα να καυτηριάσει τον συντηρητισμό του Αριστοφάνη. Διάφοροι τρόποι επιστρατεύονται για αυτό όπως η τοποθέτηση του διαλόγου μεταξύ Δίκ ...more
Mattomic
Feb 21, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: students of ancient lit, philosophers, ancient Greek nerds
OK, so I read only a fragment of this for a philosophy course many, many years ago. The context added to the humor from Aristophanes' biting satire. I'm sure were I to read this today, not as well steeped in ancient Greek philosophy, I wouldn't get such a kick out of it. Overly generous as my rating is, I have to give it props for the good memories it conjures up in me. Aristophanes tears Socrates and his ilk (more accurately, the sophists - people who can argue circles around others, but posses ...more
Jeff
May 24, 2011 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: humor
Aristophanes was an Athenian conservative, and here he illustrated his dislike for those that taught the new way of knowledge, all of whom he identifies as sophists. The clouds are a lovely metaphor for the shifty and subjective nature of sophistic reasoning--one sees what one wishes to see. Socrates (although not actually a sophist) is caricatured and mocked, and dies miserably at the end. All throughout, the clever and crass jokes work superbly, even 2,500 years on. The moral can't be taken se ...more
Julie
Nov 09, 2010 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Julie by: Mr. C
There is no better way to understand the general population of 5th century Greece's view of philosophy than through The Clouds. This is the only play I've read by Arisophanes's so far, but I would suspect that his other satires would have the same impact. There is something about the play that is almost like a time capsule to the past. What's even better is that despite its antiquity, it's still hilarious today.

Arisophane's plays were influence, I suspect, because I think the negative portrayal
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Laurinha Lero
Dec 29, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
"FIDÍPIDES: Como é doce conviver com ideias novas e engenhosas, e poder desprezar as leis estabelecidas!"

Aristófanes não é o mais sutil dos tradicionalistas gregos, e condena a sofística de Protágoras no mesmo embalo que a retórica de Sócrates, coitado, que nada tinha com isso. Densa com referências políticas e culturais - quase 50% da minha edição era de notas de rodapé -, a peça é surpreendemente vulgar e cheia de piadas de PEIDO que continuam engraçadas dois milênios e meio depois da encenaçã
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☯Emily
I thought I might see this play being performed by Bergen Community College. Probably won't. It is about a clash in educational philosophy in Ancient Athens. It is all rather ridiculous with lots of insults thrown around. (It reminds me of the Republican debates, if I am honest.) In addition, there are lots of sexual innuendo and crotch grabbing. (I wonder if that will be next in the debates?)
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Aristophanes (Greek: Αριστοφάνης; c. 446 BCE – c. 386 BCE) was a playwright of ancient Athens.

About 11 of his works are known in full, and they are the only plays of the "Old Comedy" style to have survived. They are The Acharnians, The Birds, The Clouds, The Ecclesiazusae, The Frogs, The Knights, Peace, Plutus (Wealth), The Thesmophoriazusae, and The Wasps. These plays have been translated into m
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