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Interesting Times

(Discworld #17)

Terry Pratchett

4.12 · Rating details · 49,362 ratings · 1,172 reviews

'A foot on the neck is nine points of the law'

There are many who say that the art of diplomacy is an intricate and complex dance. There are others who maintain that it's merely a matter of who carries the biggest stick. The oldest and most inscrutable (not to mention heavily fortified) empire on the Discworld is in turmoil, brought about by the revolutionary treatise What ...more

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Mar 07, 2018 Mario the lone bookwolf rated it it was amazing

Shelves: pratchett-terry

Alternative Asian history, Rincewind's average spin doctoring and political strategist skills, teleportation, Cohen the barbarian, again Rincewind as always unwittingly McGuffining around, (view spoiler), Gods manipulating the fate of humankind, and jokes about stereotypical fighter archetypes make war fun.

Uchronia and Alternative Asian history, Rincewind's average spin doctoring and political strategist skills, teleportation, Cohen the barbarian, again Rincewind as always unwittingly McGuffining around, (view spoiler), Gods manipulating the fate of humankind, and jokes about stereotypical fighter archetypes make war fun.

Uchronia and alternative history is big in this too, because China, just as many great empires before, had the chance of ruling the world, but preferred isolation. This can be seen in how respectfully Vetinari deals with the request, but also in real history with the sheer historical numbers of soldiers, military strategy, and technology, especially ships, gunpowder, and sheer quantity. Not to speak of potentially reaching most of the world by land, for instance, at this moment, extremely primitive and thereby vulnerable Europe or colonizing the Americas, but endless intern civil wars are costly. (view spoiler)

Speaking of which, The Silver Horde is dealing with the danger of averaging in the military forces, an often hidden problem that can reduce the stability of well functioning dictatorships. It´s tricky for the poor despots, too many fit, young, but possibly revolting soldiers are as bad as geriatric armies, so it´s possibly the healthy mix to cement your nightmarish autocracy. But at least they haven´t lost their stupid, manly attitudes of fighting, killing, and most importantly, unsubstantiated hubris.

Pratchett uses the mixture of megalomania, bad management, the immense deficits of ideologies, faiths, politics, economics, etc. a lot in his whole work by showing how potentially world dominating forces are self sabotaging by losing their connection to reality. Possibly it's an, by evolution, inbuilt seld destruction system to ensure that complex systems such as human societies don´t get too mighty and thereby monocultural, although this could have failed with Mcdonalisation, Disneyfication, general Americanisation, but let´s see what time will bring.

I know, this running gag is getting lame, time to say bye bye to it, but I don´t know enough about Genghis Khan, Japanese and Chinese history, communism, if Rincewind has hidden elements of famous historical figures I don´t know, and if I am worthy or capable of adding more sophisticated literary analysis, but at least I can laugh about the bits and pieces I get and especially easier to spot puns and slapstick elements.

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The idea of the dissected motifs rocks, highlighting the main real world inspirational elements of fiction and satire is something usually done with so called higher literature, but a much more interesting field in readable literature, as it offers the joy of reading, subtle criticism, and feeling smart all together. ...more

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Oct 02, 2017 Lyn rated it liked it

Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Bruce Lee, Yun Fat Chow, David Carradine and Michelle Yeoh sit in an Italian pizza place in Queens and discuss Terry Pratchett’s 17th Discworld novel Interesting Times.

Bruce Lee: Ok, first of all, David, why are you even here, you’re not Chinese.

Carradine: Come on, you all know why, I played Kwai Chang Caine on King Fu in the 70s, don’t act like you don’t …

Michelle: Anyhoo - Pratchett, pays homage to Asian culture through his counter continent Roman eclef, The Agatean Empire ...more

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May 26, 2016 Ahmad Sharabiani rated it really liked it

Shelves: fiction, humor, adventure, literature, 20th-century, comedy, fantasy, young-adult, science, childrens-young-readers

Interesting Times (Discworld, #17; Rincewind #5), Terry Pratchett

Interesting Times is a fantasy novel by British writer Terry Pratchett, the seventeenth book in the Discworld series, set in the Aurient (a fictional analogue of the Orient).

Two gods, Fate and the Lady, oppose each other in a game over the outcome of the struggle for the throne of the Agatean Empire on the Counterweight Continent.

The Patrician of Ankh-Morpork receives a demand that the "Great Wizzard" be sent to the distant Agatean ...more

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Mar 26, 2013 Bradley rated it really liked it

Shelves: fantasy, 2018-shelf, humor

Interesting Times
or,
When Cohen Established that Dynasty That Time
or,
Rincewind Gets a New Suit.

I really enjoyed this Pratchett, being one of the few people who actually think that Rincewind is a likable anti-hero, or rather, a good runner. But sometimes even good runners get caught in the affairs of Wizzards and revolution. Okay, maybe it's Wizards and if I count him, it's only Wizzard, but you get the idea. :)

Welcome to China-ish, buddy! The Emperor would like to meet you. Or chop off your legs ...more

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Jun 07, 2020 Adrian rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy-and-magic, zz-owned-books, humorous, read-again

Fab fun, and more tomorrow

So for once it really is tomorrow. Where to start with this book, many other people have mentioned it is a parody of China during the days of the warring Empire, blind obedience and huge multi layer civil service running the show. Add into Sir Terry's wonderful parody, a wizard that cannot do any spell and never actually passed any exam at the unseen university in Ankh Morpork, a bunch of geriatric Hero barbarians (accompanied by an ex teacher trying to civilise the bar ...more

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Aug 06, 2011 Zach rated it really liked it

Shelves: own

I'm going to just say right off the bat that the Rincewind novels are not my favorite. I realize that it is Discworld blasphemy, but hear me out. Out of the entire Discworld main character cast, Rincewind makes the fewest decisions and has no desires other than to flee from trouble. As sort of a Forrest Gump/Scooby Doo hybrid (Forrest Doo? Scooby Gump?), his misadventures consist of finding himself in trouble, trying to escape, and then lucking out in some grand fashion. While it makes for good ...more

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Oct 27, 2018 Trish rated it really liked it · review of another edition

It all starts with the gods playing another game. Because Fate always wins - at least if the other players adhere to the rules. Which his new opponent doesn't. Resulting in a very interesting butterfly ~~effect~~. ;)

In this 17th Discworld novel Rincewind is returned to Unseen University and makes a deal with Ridcully to go to Discworld's oldest Empire to help them with their current revolution in exchange for being allowed to come back for good and being called a ~~wizzard~~ wizard. Due to the fact that ...more

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Jan 17, 2016 Stefanie rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: series, fantasy-sci-fi-spn, humor-parody, 2016, own

The problem with Rincewind books is that I really like Rincewind, and Rincewind books tend to have more problematic elements than the other Discworld books, and also the most recycled. This is the worst culprit of Pratchett's rather casual racism (and also the overuse (see: any use at all) of rape jokes--what was with that?).

So I really struggled with whether to give this two or three stars. I felt if I gave it two stars, it would indicate that I didn't like this book at all. Which isn't true! ...more

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Jan 02, 2017 Algernon (Darth Anyan) rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: 2017

[7/10]

"May you live in interesting times!" is a long established curse on the Counterweight Continent of the Discworld. The Agatean Empire is just heading this way as its aging, demented Emperor is about to die and five noble families who have fought one another for centuries: The Hongs, the Sungs, the Tangs, the McSweeneys ( very old established family) and the Fangs gather their armies around the capital city of HungHung in preparation of the war of succession. High above them in the clouds ...more

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Mar 25, 2016 Gehayi rated it did not like it

Shelves: do-not-read

SPOILERS BELOW. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Okay. I'm going to have to say something controversial here. This book is downright horrible.

I realize that's practically blasphemy, since it was written by Terry Pratchett (whose work I generally love). I know that Pratchett was a satirist. I am aware that it was spoofing books like James Clavell's Asian Saga (Shogun, Noble House, King Rat, etc.), in which a white guy handles Asia better than the Asians and ends up in charge. I remember Clavell's books and t ...more

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Nov 11, 2020 Ken rated it liked it · review of another edition

The 17th Discworld novel sees incompetent wizard Rincewind (in his fifth outing) is sent to the Agatean Empire, clearly a satire on imperial China.
Whilst their he finds himself in various crisis during a political uprising.

I do have a fondness for Rincewind as I opted to read in publication order so Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic were by first two Discworld stories.
With throwbacks to them stories it made me realise how little the wizard has featured since the earlier books.

Whilst this i ...more

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Aug 15, 2015 David Sarkies rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Recommends it for: People who love Pratchett (and those who don't)

Recommended to David by: Stewart Wymer

Shelves: comedy

Rincewind in China
22 August 2015

When my friend leant me this book he simply said 'Rincewind' at which I rolled my eyes. I must say that Rincewind is certainly not my favourite Discworld character, even though some of the books in which he has starred have been quite good. However I wasn't really expecting anything all that much to come from this book, even though it is one of the Discworld novels and I am slowly making my way through each of them (and it was also a bit of a time out from some o Rincewind in China
22 August 2015

When my friend leant me this book he simply said 'Rincewind' at which I rolled my eyes. I must say that Rincewind is certainly not my favourite Discworld character, even though some of the books in which he has starred have been quite good. However I wasn't really expecting anything all that much to come from this book, even though it is one of the Discworld novels and I am slowly making my way through each of them (and it was also a bit of a time out from some of the heavier novels that I have read).

It turned out that it was a good thing that I didn't expect all that much from this book because if you aren't expecting all that much then it is really easy to exceed those expectations. In fact I really enjoyed this book, and even Rincewind was quite cool, especially when you appreciate the nature of his character (namely that his main rule of survival is to run away as fast as possible, and that a boring life is a good life because a boring life means that your lifespan is inevitably going to be much longer).

This time Pratchett takes us to China, or at least Discworld's equivalent of China – the Agatean Empire. This was a little odd because with the first book the suggestion was that the Agatean Empire was in fact Japan (in which Pratchett was poking fun at the stereotypical Japanese Tourist – Twoflower). However, it now turns out that it is China and that people weren't supposed to actually leave the country and visit the world on the other side of the wall. In fact the powers that be discourage that simply by telling everybody that there is nothing behind the wall except demons and ghosts.

Thus therein lies the problem. Not only did Twoflower leave but when he returned he wrote a book called 'What I did on my Holidays'. Sure, it sound's like some primary school essay, but I am sure that primary school essays have managed to morph themselves into revolutionary documents. Actually, there have been countless numbers of books that have morphed themselves into revolutionary documents, despite the author having no intention beyond simply writing a fascinating story.

The other issue is that the emperor is dying, which means that there is an opening for a new emperor. Sure, the Emperor should have an heir, but that doesn't seem to be the case here, and even if he did having an heir does not necessarily mean that that heir is going to become emperor, namely because there is some other guy who wants that title – Lord Hong. As one can expect from a farcical comedy, nothing seems to go right for poor Hong. Sure, he manages to kill the emperor, but before he can take the title as his own he suddenly discovers that somebody has beaten him to the punch – Cohen the Barbarian, or as we find out – Genghiz Cohen.

If there is one thing that I absolutely loved about this book it has to be the Silver Horde (which is a play on the Golden Horde, otherwise known as the Mongals). Here we have a handful of old men, who happen to be barbarians, sneaking into the city to steal the throne of the empire. Sure, most people expect old men to be weak and frail, but that would be a huge mistake when approaching the Silver Horde. In fact at one point the end up beating up a room full of ninja.

I also quite liked the idea of the wall. We all think that the Great Wall of China was built to keep the Mongal Hordes out (and good job it did to – NOT), however Pratchett suggests that that is not the case – it is designed to keep the people inside. We can't have plebs leaving the country, learning new ideas, such as rebellion, and then bringing it back and corrupting people – they've already had a problem with one person doing that. Anyway, as Cohen says, how is a wall going to stop a horde of barbarians? They ain't going to get there, see the wall, and decide that it is all too hard and go home again. No, they are going to take wood from all the trees lying around and then build ladders so they can climb over it.

This whole thing about keeping the people in made me think about China back when it was written. Back then you hardly had any Chinese travelling abroad – these days you have heaps. I was sort of wandering whether Pratchett was having a dig at some of these closed countries, though prior to the 19th Century China was a pretty closed country and many of the peasants were intentionally kept ignorant so as not to upset the balance (apparently the Chinese Script was invented to make it really hard for the general populace to become literate). Still, I'm not sure if you are meant to think too deeply with a Terry Pratchett book (though then again it is satire, so I am probably wrong), but then again it is something that I do enjoy doing. ...more

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Nov 10, 2012 Ashley rated it liked it

Shelves: ridiculously-prolific-authors, satire, anglophilia, swashbucklers-capers-and-heists, fantasy, humor, treasure-and-adventure

One of the worst curses you can fling at a Discworld character is “May you live in interesting times,” hence the title of the book.

But aside from it’s promising title, the 17th Discworld book was a bit of a letdown after the fitting soulful musings of Soul Music, but it almost made up for it in sheer volume of jokes and witticisms alone. I wanted to quote something practically every other page. The perfect Discworld book is funny, biting, and deep-hitting. This one was mostly just amusing, altho One of the worst curses you can fling at a Discworld character is “May you live in interesting times,” hence the title of the book.

But aside from it’s promising title, the 17th Discworld book was a bit of a letdown after the fitting soulful musings of Soul Music, but it almost made up for it in sheer volume of jokes and witticisms alone. I wanted to quote something practically every other page. The perfect Discworld book is funny, biting, and deep-hitting. This one was mostly just amusing, although it did have some in-world continuity to fall back on that gave it a little extra oomph.

Although it can be read on its own, Interesting Times is a Rincewind book, and in many ways it’s actually a direct sequel to the very first Discworld books, The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic. We first met Rincewind and the flat disc of a world he lives on (carried around space by four giant elephants perched on the back of an even more giant turtle) when he is shanghaied into playing guide to a hapless tourist named Twoflower from the faraway Counterweight Continent. The two of them have many ridiculous adventures together, which mostly consist of Twoflower being delighted by everything, including and most especially when his life is in danger, and Rincewind being inept and terrified by it all, but somehow stumbling through and saving the day anyway. Interesting Times turns the tables and finds Rincewind an unexpected tourist on the Counterweight Continent, only it seems he’s been called there because Revolution is brewing, and Twoflower’s tales of his adventures in Ankh-Morpork and beyond (which he wrote up and titled “What I Did on My Summer Holidays”) have lent him the moniker The Great Wizard. The people want him to help them overthrow their cruel Empire, a task for which he is monumentally unfit.

There’s also some stuff with The Luggage and a group of old, old men (like, SERIOUSLY old) led by Cohen the Barbarian who are also in the country to do nefarious things to the Empire. The joke with them is mostly that they’re so old you’d think they’d be incompetent but they are still the most deadly people in the room, even the one in the wheel chair, and there’s this whole thing about them trying to learn to be “civilized.” It mostly all works.

The ending felt a little too coincidental for me, and again, it was mostly all surface level humor (although still very funny), so it’s definitely not one of my favorites in this series, but still a good read. What this book lacks in plotting and such it makes up for in enthusiasm and jokes about really old mangy men.

[3.5 stars] ...more

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Apr 19, 2015 Lindsay rated it really liked it

Shelves: humor, fantasy

Part of the Pratchett reread with the SpecFic Buddy Reads group in 2018.

Rincewind gets recruited by Mustrum Ridcully and the faculty of Unseen University to go to the Counterweight Continent and the country of the Agatean Empire, Discworld's version of China (with quite a few Japanese bits). The Agatean Empire is experiencing a period of unrest with the Emperor about to die and the county's warlords gathering to determine who the next Emperor will be. There is, of course, a Grand Vizier called ...more

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Dec 31, 2013 Matt rated it really liked it

Shelves: fantasy, humor, 2015-reads

Discworld’s Counterweight Continent is explored for the first time in the series as author Terry Pratchett sends the inept wizard Rincewind to the walled off landmass where he meets up with some old friends in a reunion of the series’ first two books.

The Discworld’s version of China & Japan is the Agatean Empire, a mysterious place which only the rest of the Discworld can speculate about, sends a message to Ankh-Morpork for the ‘Great Wizzard’. After several uses of magical quantum mechanics tra ...more

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Oct 11, 2019 Juho Pohjalainen rated it really liked it

With the first couple Discworld books, Pratchett was still looking for his own place in the world and trying to figure out what kind of stories he wanted to write about at all. They ended up rather different, far less honed, less cohesive, and plain weirder than the later books - but they still had their own special charm in them, something to like about them.

Interesting Times is the best of both worlds: it's a throwback to those first two books, while at the same time fitting the more refined a ...more

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Oct 15, 2020 Marc *Dark Reader of the Woods* rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy, comedy

This book (Corgi paperback edition, 1995) contains one of my favorite front-of-book review blurbs ever:

'A complete amateur . . . doesn't even write in chapters . . . hasn't a clue.'
-Tom Paulin, on BBC 2's Late Review

I love the subversiveness of this inclusion now as much as over two decades ago when I first saw it.

Rincewind is few people's favorite Discworld character but I enjoy him a lot on my current series re-read. His intelligent approach to cowardice is always welcome. He makes a great an ...more

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May 16, 2011 Toby rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: fantastical, funny

Essentially this is silly, racist and obvious, a typical Rincewind book really. But to counter that you have a lot of fun with Cohen the Barbarian and to counter that you have and old man in a wheelchair whose sole purpose for being in the novel is to shout "What?!" to everything. Because he's deaf you see. Yeah it's that kind of Discworld book. ...more

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Feb 24, 2018 Tanya rated it liked it · review of another edition

I have a really hard time reviewing Discworld books, so this will be short. Once I'm through reading them chronologically, I think I'll start over and go by sub-series, because I'm clearly having trouble remembering characters from one sub-series-book to the next (I spent a good chunk of the book thinking "who the fuck is Twoflower?").

The Rincewind novels are without a doubt my least favorite—he's just not an engaging protagonist. Everything that happens to him, happens passively and as an accid ...more

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Jun 20, 2011 K. rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy, borrowed-from-friends, humour, library, bipoc-narrator, setting-fantasy, 2016, audience-adult

3.5 stars.

On the whole, the Rincewind books are probably my least favourite subset of the Discworld series (with the exception of The Lost Continent, obviously). And it's been years since I'd read this one. So I was pleasantly surprised to find that while Rincewind still annoys me as a character and there were some "uhhh, that's a tiny bit racist" moments in it because it's now 20-odd years old, on the whole this one was fairly enjoyable.

It features Rincewind going to the Counterweight Contine ...more

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Jan 31, 2008 Chris rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy, pratchett, humor

There is a saying, often attributed to the Chinese - "May you live in interesting times." Usually when this is invoked, it's done so as a curse, the idea being that interesting times are more likely to cause you trouble than nice boring times, and perhaps that's true. The folks in Baghdad, for example, are certainly living in interesting times right now. The trouble is that not everybody is able to stay alive to enjoy them.

That's one of the problems with life as we know it - we long for things t There is a saying, often attributed to the Chinese - "May you live in interesting times." Usually when this is invoked, it's done so as a curse, the idea being that interesting times are more likely to cause you trouble than nice boring times, and perhaps that's true. The folks in Baghdad, for example, are certainly living in interesting times right now. The trouble is that not everybody is able to stay alive to enjoy them.

That's one of the problems with life as we know it - we long for things to be interesting, exciting and thrilling, like what happens to Bruce Willis every time he's on the screen. When those times come, however, we realize that it's the boring, predictable times we really want. In other words, we want whatever we don't have at the moment, which just goes to prove that we, as a species, are messed up in the head. If we had been assembled by any rational Supreme Being, it would have made us a little more accepting of the lives we lead. This mind-set may not lead us to the advanced society we have now, but it certainly would lead us to something approaching world peace.

This book is about wanting what you don't have, and what happens when you get it.

The central character is the wizard - or Wizzard - Rincewind, one of the oldest of the Discworld characters. He's been with the series since the first book, The Colour of Magic, and he's grown to be a favorite for many readers. What Rincewind wants, really wants, is to be left alone. No quests, no challenges, no one trying to kill him or otherwise ruin his day. If the world forgot that Rincewind existed, he'd be the happiest man alive.

Unfortunately for Rincewind, the world hasn't forgotten him. He has to be sent to the far-off Agatean Empire, a place so remote that few, if any, people know anything about it. A message came, asking for the Great Wizzard, and Rincewind is the only one who fits the bill. The fact that he can't do magic is not important, really.

When he gets there, he meets Cohen the Barbarian and his Silver Horde - seven incredibly old barbarian heroes. Seven men who don't know the meaning of the word "defeat," though you'd probably have to repeat it very loudly before they heard what you'd said. Together, the Horde are headed to the capital city of the Empire, looking to make the biggest heist in their long, long, long barbarian careers.

Together, Rincewind, Cohen and the Horde find the Empire in the throes of a people's revolution, borne of righteous peasant rage and the skillful manipulations of the Grand Vizier, Lord Hong.

Like so many Discworld books, this is a lot of fun to read. The Agatean Empire is a blend of ancient China and Japan, giving us ninja and samurai alongside blue and white Ming ceramics and an exam-based bureaucracy. And like most of the other Discworld books, this one gives you something to think about - what do you want to be?

Rincewind wants to be left alone, because he thinks he'll be safer that way. Cohen wants to settle down, because he worries that his life as a barbarian hero might be catching up to him. Lord Hong wants to be a gentleman of Ankh-Morpork, or at least the ruler of such men. And the people of the Empire, who call themselves the Red Army, want to be free, even though they have no idea what being free means.

The only character who seems to change his life for the better is Mister Saveloy, the youngest member of the Silver Horde and the one they call "Teach." He realized that what he thought he wanted - a life of educating young people - wasn't what he really wanted after all. What he wanted was the certainty and simplicity of Cohen's barbarian lifestyle, and found it rather agreed with him.

So what's the lesson here? Perhaps this: Be happy with what you have, but don't be afraid to change. Just remember that not all change is for the better.
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Dec 30, 2013 Wastrel rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: z-1995, r-ps, fantastika-social-fantasy

Short version? Pratchett tries to return to his earlier style with the lessons he's learnt along the way. This starts out promisingly. Unfortunately then he tries to combine that earlier, sillier style with multiple serious political discussions and several unrelated books, all in a setting that is, to put it mildly, culturally insensitive. It doesn't work.

There are some great lines, but by and large it's just too dull and despite its good qualities it outstays its welcome (50 pages of long, dra ...more

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Jun 28, 2015 Marta rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: humor, fantasy, terry-pratchett, own-ebook

Rincewind and Cohen The Barbarian with his geriatric barbarian Horde bring some interesting times to China, eh, sorry, the Counterweight Continent. We got a Red Army consisting of children, later of terracotta, eunuchs, the collision of barbarianism and civilization (civilization does not fare well in the comparison), and a deep criticism of regimes that so successfully oppress that they do not even need whips any more.

I am not a big fan of Rincewind, but after a few reads and re-reads he has g ...more

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Mar 16, 2018 Nigel rated it liked it

Shelves: fantasy, humour

I hate writing this about a Terry Pratchett book but frankly this is really not one of his best. It almost became a "dnf" though the end was quite entertaining.

Having devoured the series from one it started and waited for each year's book I sort of drifted off probably a book or two before this one. Reading this suggests I was right! What is remarkable is just how good his writing became again later on. The Tiffany Aching books are among the best he wrote (IMHO). This one doesn't really bear com ...more

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Sep 23, 2018 Wiebke (1book1review) rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

This was such a great trip, hanging out with Rincewind and Twoflower again, seeing Cohen take over an empire and thinking about revolutions.

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Oct 12, 2016 YouKneeK rated it liked it

Shelves: completed-series, fantasy

Interesting Times is from the Rincewind subseries of Discworld. It’s been quite a few books since I’ve seen Rincewind, so it was fun to see him again. He always makes me laugh.

If you’ve read the earlier books, you may remember that Rincewind once had some adventures with Twoflower, a visitor from the Counterweight continent. In this book Rincewind finds himself, quite against his will of course, dropping in on the Counterweight continent and getting caught up in a revolution.

It was a lot of fu ...more

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Sep 22, 2010 Lorelei rated it really liked it

Shelves: sf, humour

I rarely think of rereading this particular discworld book - not for any reason I can guess. My kids started reading this one aloud and sucked me right into it, and I am very glad. It is a truely delightful book, although we all tend to moan a bit about the awful things that Terry Pratchett came up with to keep doing to Rincewind.

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Oct 28, 2020 Elowen rated it did not like it · review of another edition

I'm sad to say this is the first Discworld novel I did not finish. Rincewind and Cohen aren't my favourite characters to begin with, but the plot itself is very thin too. Nothing much happened in the first half of the book. Rincewind gets sent to this largely unknown continent where he meets Cohen and a few locals who are getting ready for a rebellion. The Luggage is in there but I have no idea why. Every character just seems to wander around for no real reason.

The "unknown continent" itself is ...more

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Nov 26, 2018 Alfred Haplo rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy-mytho, annoying-leads, 2000-to-present, series-4-or-more, fun-haha

Interesting Times is my best Rincewind book to-date *, which is bizarre to contemplate. In recalling my past impressions of Rincewind’s character, something struck me at once. I no longer feel irked but indifferent by DiscWorld’s resident irritant and craven wizard, now relegated to necessary evil status. His is a character so entrenched with fans that changing anything about his personality might result in revolt. Instead, his surroundings are changed around him, with best wishes to everyone el Interesting Times is my best Rincewind book to-date *, which is bizarre to contemplate. In recalling my past impressions of Rincewind’s character, something struck me at once. I no longer feel irked but indifferent by DiscWorld’s resident irritant and craven wizard, now relegated to necessary evil status. His is a character so entrenched with fans that changing anything about his personality might result in revolt. Instead, his surroundings are changed around him, with best wishes to everyone else. If I can accept the character, I can rationalize my feelings about the story.

Fortunately, accidental hero is a mantle Rincewind wears well, particularly if the alternative is either bad or worse. Besides, every other main character is far better developed but those would have to be killed, or maimed, or made to suffer, or at the very least, philosophized, and must therefore not be wasted in Interesting Times. So, Rincewind it is, and Rincewind is teleported as sacrificial emissary to the cultural and economic backwater on the far side of the Disc, the Counterweight Continent.

Welcome to China? Where else would exist a Great Wall, Forbidden City, The Art of War, Sum Dim (the purpose of this reversal escapes me), summer palace, women with small feet, and a red clay army? Not to be confused with the other country of the ninjas, kimonos and sumo wrestlers variety, which is also lumped into the dynastic Agatean Empire. To be fair, other countries assert their positions here for joke material as well, but none bears the brunt as much as the Chinese. When distinct Asian cultures are melded into a generic “Aurientals”, and comedy is made at their expense without reciprocity, I feel indignant on their behalf but indulged in silly laughing anyway. A readymade template of stereotypes plugged in with Rincewind is designed to be lighthearted, so why fight it.

Even if that bit of sensitivity can be overcome, there is the Silver Horde. Cohen and his ancient bro-barbarians are here to pillage the Agatean Empire. When a group of white, albeit comical, foreigners invade an Asian-like continent, with talks of rape and rapine, and all the while the local citizenry is portrayed as ignoramus and simpletons, and are immediately subservient to ruling change, it sits rather uncomfortably.

There is a distinct social hierarchy within the Agatean people - the peasants, the rebels, the learned, the rulers - but here, they are presented as a monolith. The whole of Agatean is just A Caricature, the “other” people. The people who speak funny, are named funny, work funny, obey funny, rule funny because they are not like “us". Which is oddly going against the grain, coming from Pratchett, this heavy-handed humor.

I feel sorry for the missed opportunities. The Agateans are viewed from a skewed outsider perspective but more interesting would be from within their own in the manner of the excellent Pyramids. Two new refreshing characters, Mr Saveloy, teacher turned barbarian-diplomat, and Pretty Butterfly, skeptical young rebel, looked promising for bridging the cultural divide but both are under-utilized. Introspection is ironically focused on the foreign invaders and not the invaded, in how they deal with aging, mortality, and following one’s true calling. It is easy to be drawn into the emotional aspects of that, until you realized that the Silver Horde is just a bunch of killers who never grew up.

Interesting Times is a peculiar sort of novel that is neither here nor there, where everyone and everything is sort of out of place. Except Rincewind, of course, who is exactly where he should be down under... Down under what? Down under my stack of DiscWorld books, 17 and counting.

[* Rincewind sub-series: The Color or Magic Discworld #1, Rincewind #1, Light Fantastic DW #2, RW #2, Sourcery DW #5, RW #3, Eric ~~Faust~~ DW #9, RW #4] ...more

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Apr 11, 2018 Steve Garriott rated it really liked it · review of another edition

I'm torn when it comes to Rincewind. His introduction in the first two Discworld novels were not my favorites... but... there is always such a wealth of characters swirling around in a Discworld novel that you're never bored. The Horde, the geriatric barbarians lead by Cohen the Barbarian, are a kick. Several old friends show up as well. However, the more I think about the wizzard, I wonder if my problem with Rincewind has more to do with the fact that I see myself in him? I'm pretty sure I'd be ...more

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