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Historia de la sexualidad 2. El uso de los placeres

(The History of Sexuality #2)

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El segundo volumen de la trilogía, dedicado a la forma en que la actividad sexual fue problematizada por los filósofos y los médicos en la cultura griega clásica del siglo IV a.c, es presentado con su nueva edición, corregida y revisada, en la Biblioteca Clásica de Siglo Veintiuno.

“¿Por qué el comportamiento sexual, las actividades y placeres que de él dependen, son objeto
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Paperback, Biblioteca Clásica de Siglo Veintiuno, 280 pages
Published May 1st 2016 by Siglo XXI (first published 1984)
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Suha
Nov 20, 2012 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: thoughts

تاريخ الجنسانية و احد من أكثر الكتب الفكرية التي استمتعت بقراءته. بالتأكيد يرجع الفضل في ذلك لجدارة الكاتب في طرح و تحليل هذا الموضوع بالإضافة لإهتمامي الشخصية في الموضوع كحالة إنسانية و فكرية.
يقدم هذا الجزء من مجموعة تاريخ الجنسانية المنظور اليوناني لها. حيث يوضح فوكو الفضاء الذي تعامل فيه اليونان (بصفتهم أجداد للثقافة الأوروبية و المسيحية المقبلة) معها، مؤكدا أنهم بالرغم من إقرارهم بالعلاقات المثلية بالإضافة للزواج الشرعي، فإنهم عاملوا الجنسانية كموضوع للمتعة و إنشغلوا بسبل أستعمالها الصحية و
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Mr.
Oct 06, 2008 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Foucault's continuation of his impressive History of Human Sexuality looks into the sexual mores and practices of the Ancient Greeks, and attempts to understand the development of sexuality as a moral problematic. Contrary to the conventional wisdom which posits a complete epistemic reversal from the Hellenic world to the Christian world, Foucault poses a more complex network of interconnections between the two paradigms, which lie in a valuation of asceticism. Although The Use of Pleasure is on ...more
Adriana Scarpin
Sep 13, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: filosofia, historia, tcc, owned
O capítulo um, Problematização Moral dos Prazeres, com aphrodisia se refere a moral sexual da Grécia antiga, assim como chresis trata do uso dos prazeres propriamente dito, ou seja, o grau de temperança mantido, enquanto enkratheia trata do autodominio necessário para atingir a mesma e liberdade e verdade trata do homem viril que se coloca em posição ativa de temperança em oposição a passividade pelos desejos da intempérie.
No capítulo dois, Dietética, na parte intitulada Do Regime em Geral, Fouc
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Jacob Rabas
Aug 23, 2013 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
First I should note that I am not really concerned with the accuracy of Foucault's interpretations of ancient Greek texts or even with sexuality as a topic of study. I'm not a Classicist so I can't comment on the empirical validity of the work. However, I am interested in understanding the truly original aspects of his work, mainly his theory of power, subjectivity, and the concept of discourse. In The History of Sexuality 1: An Introduction Foucault provides us with a sketch of his notion of po ...more
Ayleen Julio
En Historia de la sexualidad II, Foucault continúa el proyecto investigador sobre la sexualidad, sólo que esta vez se centra en cómo la actividad sexual fue problematizada por los filósofos y médicos de la Antigua Grecia, para quienes no interesaba tanto el objeto de la actividad, sino los modos y convenciones que giraban alrededor de dicha práctica.
En términos de lectura es un libro con una escritura menos pedregosa que el primer volumen, por lo que se hace más fácil de seguir; pero no por ell
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Fahad Alqurain
Mar 31, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
مجنون هذا الفوكو
بهذا الجزء يطرح فوكو الكثير من الأفكار لدى الاثنيين القدماء وفلسفاتهم ويناقشها ويحللها

استعمال المتع وتدور افكار هذا الجزء نحو ثلاثة أجزاء
الاول الحمية البدنية والرياضية والفكرية
والثانية الجانب التربوي البيتي
والثالثة حب الغلمان

ويناقشها ويحللها ويقارن بين الكثير من حوارات الفلاسفة

ويتعمق حتى يأخذك معه في جانب المؤيد لهذه الأفكار
وبالطبع حين تعرف أن فوكو من المؤيدين للمثلية الجنسية ولكن لا يرغمكعلى موافقته بل يدعك تحلل وتفكر معه هل كانوا محقين ام لا
وبطبيعة الفطرة الانسانية نقول
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Rachel
Has some important insights, but Foucault's over-reliance on Attic prose substantially weakens his arguments - note that he doesn't even mention Sappho! And he quotes from the tragedians maybe twice? There are many classicists of the past few decades who have done much better work on ancient Greek sexuality. Foucault is more interested in making a point about the world that he lived in than in actually understanding the way the Greeks lived.
Rikkert Kuijper
Jul 23, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I'll attempt to recap the whole thing in a few hundred words, without looking anything up. If you find something wrong, please let me know, it'll help me remember better.

DISCLAIMER: Foucault mentions multiple times that there are plenty of philosophers whose works have not been preserved, and so he bases his book mostly on Platonic-Socratic notions of sexuality.

First of, there was no notion of proper ''sexuality'' back in Ancient Greece. Of course there were ideas of homo and heterosexuality, bu
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Nuno Ribeiro
Foucault entra a fundo nos textos gregos. Percebemos como os gregos viam o prazer. Como regulavam o sexo e se regulavam a si próprios. Que preconceitos tinham sobre o género e sobre os papéis de cada um na sociedade.

Sobretudo a partir dos textos morais e de comentários sobre comportamentos da altura, que chegaram até hoje, sabemos como os os gregos viam as relações. Ficamos a saber que valorizavam acima de tudo o domínio do próprio sobre as paixões do corpo.

É mais tarde que o cristianismo vem l
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Andrew
This is some deep genealogy, something that is a far cry from the more wild, theoretical-level writings of the young Foucault. He turns his attentions to the Greeks, arguing that they viewed sexuality more in terms of dietetic regimen, one to be conformed with for maximum health. A point which he repeats ad nauseam. Now, I enjoyed the examples given but -- and this shouldn’t be a surprise given Foucault's rather androcentric view of sex -- he seems to leave female desire almost completely out of ...more
Joeri Kooimans
This book contains interesting reflections on how subjectivity was formed in ancient Greek culture around (sexual) pleasure as a result of relations men had with oneself in terms of moderation, selfmastery, selfstylization and domination. As such, Foucault shows, the Greeks developed an ethics of the self through selfcare.

A criticical note: the book contains alot of redundancy and repetition, which usually isn't the case with Foucault.

What further strikes me is that Foucault doesn't give women a
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David Bird
Apr 23, 2013 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: my-landmarks
This book broke the spell of Foucault for me. In works like Discipline and Punish The Birth of the Prison by Michel Foucault he wove a net from works that were unknown to me. Who was I to question his readings?

Here I finally saw him at work on an author and text I knew, and when I looked at what he did with Xenophon, I found his reading of the Oeconomicus was bizarre and tendentious.

Fully escaping from Foucault would take me until The Greeks & Greek Love A Bold New Exploration of the Ancient World by James Davidson but this was the start.
Erik Graff
May 08, 2010 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Foucault fans
Recommended to Erik by: no one
It does indeed seem to be the case that many of the ancient Greeks and Romans were oblivious to what we see as the ethical issues pertaining to human sexuality. Of course, given our limited sources, it is difficult to generalize with a high degree of certainty. What we have was written by elites and filtered through elites over centuries when women were regarded as inferior, adulthood started earlier, marriages were frequently arranged and various forms of slavery (often including a sexual compo ...more
Mason
Sep 25, 2015 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
A meditation on the problematization of desire in Ancient Greece. Foucault presents the era's ethics of pleasure in stark contrast to the hermeneutics of desire that emerged with early Christian doctrine.
Rui Coelho
In this book Foucault shows how Ancient Greek sexual norms were technologies of the self, exercices to create oneself as a free, healthy and happy subject, and not laws or proibitions.
Alshimaa Seekha
Feb 03, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
فيه تقدم, بالنسبة لي.
Geoff
Feb 22, 2013 marked it as to-read  ·  review of another edition
Anybody have opinions on whether I should read these in order? Because I kinda want to read the one about the Greeks asap.
Patrick Stein
While I really loved Volume 1, Volume 2 was exceedingly repetitive. I lost count of the number of times that I had to double-check that I hadn't inadvertently skipped back four or five pages.
whitten overby
The introduction to “The Use of Pleasure,” the second volume in Michel Foucault’s “History of Sexuality,” promises a lot. Refocusing from his well worn conception of power networks to “desire and the desiring subject” (5), Michel suggests his study will combine his two previous modes of scholarship--the archaeologies of the 1960s and the genealogies of the 1970s--in a single volume. This is, he says, a work of philosophy that uses fourth-century BCE practical historical texts to construct, again ...more
Ernest
Oct 10, 2011 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
This was a lot more interesting than volume one. The subtitle should have been "The Use of Pleasure in Ancient Greece" or "Same-sex Sexuality in Ancient Greece" or something along those lines.

If Foucault had set a broader scope -- let alone settle with modern, and less-obfuscating terminology -- he would have summarily concluded the following:

"It is important to emphasize that people who engage in same-sex sexual practices do not necessarily have a homosexual orientation. The same-sex sexual act
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J.
Apr 03, 2011 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Philosophy, Political Thought, Ethics
Recommended to J. by: Professor
I read this for a political philosophy course on sexual ethics as the last work after thinkers from the following categories: Greek, Christian, new natural lawyers, and liberalism. It was part of a combined senior undergraduate and graduate seminar.

I really enjoyed how Foucault offers a different way to understand Greek sexual ethics and a different way to understand sexual ethics in our own time. This is one of the last works he wrote before he passed away, so at times it does end up feeling ru
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Oliver Bateman
Jun 21, 2011 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A fine short survey of classical Greek sexual thinking, yet Michel Foucault's work with these primary sources isn't as impressive as it is with materials from the 17th and 18th centuries. A heavy reliance on two major 1970s-era histories by KJ Dover seems to suggest that Foucault isn't so much breaking new ground as sowing seeds in already-fertilized fields. All in all, though, this was a worthwhile and interesting read, even if it wasn't as provocative as Volume 1.
Daniel
Jan 14, 2013 added it  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Daniel by: LaBuff
I met this guy at a party who wanted to do nothing but talk about Foucault (I didn't like him very much). HIS opinion was that Foucault was awful. I wouldn't say awful, but he is not easy to read. If I met Foucault at a party, I would probably like him as much as I did that guy who insulted him. But he wrote about interesting things.

No rating because I skipped about half the book. Oops!
Zizo Ghoname
يعطيك هذا الكتاب فكره عن مدى مرونة ومطاطية كل شئ متعلق بالنفس البشريه
بداية من الاخلاقيات ونهاية الى الاذواق والتابوهات المجتمعيه
ويتجلى هذا واضحا في توجيه الكاتب نظره تحليليه
لبعض النصوص المتعلقه بالجنسانيه في المجتمع اليوناني القديم بشكل خاص
Dan
Nov 27, 2008 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
A short, straightforward work that analyzes the relation of sexuality to social power. Worth reading not only for the good clear writing, but also for Foucault's original take on sexuality as an object of knowledge.
Neil Turner
Again, not one of my favorite topics that Foucault wrote about or critiqued.
Caleb
The introduction of this book is a tour de force of Foucault’s methodological brilliance. He spins off structuring distinctions that he then applies to the unfolding of the whole project. The project itself—the tracing of how sex is made into a field for ethical reflection in Ancient Greece—is only of interest for historians of sex or classicists, and it’s executed in a bit of a methodical, repetitive way. (The benefit of this plodding style is that it is an uncharacteristically breezy read by F ...more
James Hdz
Sep 13, 2018 rated it it was amazing
Un minucioso e imprescindible estudio de la “aphrodisia” griega; del uso de los placeres y la problematización respecto al sexo de la tradición de Isócrates, Jenofonte e Hipócrates.

Por otro lado, un justo detenimiento de reflexión ontológica del amor y su relación con la verdad, que tiene como inauguración el diálogo platónico.
Dwight Davis
Jul 05, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Foucault offers a history of sexuality in Greece, sketching an ethic of sexuality and repression that predates the usual dating of repression starting with Christian theology. He offers explorations of homosexuality and bisexuality in Ancient Greece, as well as issues of eroticism and marital fidelity. An interesting read, though less heavy on theory and critique than volume one.
Toño Piñeiro
Nov 30, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Buen y conciso acercamiento a la moral griega del uso de los placeres. Util para indagar de donde viene la moral cristiana y que tan arraigada se encuentra en las ideas griegas de "sabiduria" y "dominio de sí".

Lo recomiendo ampliamente.
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Michel Foucault was a French philosopher, social theorist and historian of ideas. He held a chair at the Collège de France with the title "History of Systems of Thought," and lectured at the University at Buffalo and the University of California, Berkeley.

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