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"The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates's ancient words are still true, and the ideas sounded in Plato's "Dialogues" still form the foundation of a thinking person's education. This superb collection contains excellent contemporary translations selected for their clarity and accessibility to today's reader, as well as an incisive introduction by Erich Segal, which reveals Plato's life and clarifies the philosophical issues examined in each dialogue. The first four dialogues recount the trial execution of Socrates--the extraordinary tragedy that changed Plato's life and so altered the course of Western though. Other dialogues create a rich tableau of intellectual life in Athens in the fourth century B.C., and examine the nature of virtue and love, knowledge and truth, society and the individual. Resounding with the humor and astounding brilliance of Socrates, the immortal iconoclast, these great works remain powerful, probing, and essential.

Alternate Edition of ISBN-10: 0553213717

410 pages, Mass Market Paperback

First published January 1, 381

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The Republic , the best known of these many dialogues with Socrates, mentor, as the central character, expounds idealism of noted Greek philosopher Plato and describes a hypothetical utopian state that thinkers rule; he taught and wrote for much his life at the Academy, which he founded near Athens around 386 BC. Platonism, the philosophy of Plato, especially asserts the phenomena of the world as an imperfect and transitory reflection of ideal forms, an absolute and eternal reality.

Aristotle began as a pupil of Plato. Plotinus and his successors at Alexandria in the 3rd century developed Neoplatonism, a philosophical system, based on Platonism with elements of mysticism and some Judaic and Christian concepts. Philosophy of Saint Thomas Aquinascombined Neoplatonism with the doctrines of Aristotle within a context of Christian thought.

This classical mathematician and student started the first institution of higher learning in the western world. Alongside his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the western science.

Plato of the most important western exerted influence on virtually every figure and authored the first comprehensive work on politics. Plato also contributed to ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology. Aristotle, his extremely influential student, also tutored Alexander the Great of Macedonia.

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December 6, 2022
I couldn't possibly write a review of this. Even a short book would not do it justice.

Proust quite frequently refers to Plato. I particularly liked this passage, which I just noticed in A l'ombre des jeunes filles en fleurs:
Et Françoise, nous transmettant les commissions de la marquise: «Elle a dit: «Vous leur donnerez bien le bonjour», contrefaisait la voix de Mme de Villeparisis de laquelle elle croyait citer textuellement les paroles, tout en ne les déformant pas moins que Platon celles de Socrate ou saint Jean celles de Jésus.

Scott Moncrieff's translation:

And Françoise, when transmitting to us the Marquise's message: "She said to me, 'You'll be sure and bid them good day,' she said," counterfeited the voice of Mme. de Villeparisis, whose exact words she imagined herself to be quoting textually, whereas she was really corrupting them no less than Plato corrupts the words of Socrates or Saint John the words of Jesus.

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776 reviews62 followers
August 14, 2007
Socrates says "The unexamined life is not worth living." Yet this book actually shows that an examined dialogue is not worth believing. The general format of the Socratic dialogues is:
Socrates: Incorrect fact #1.
Friend: Obviously, Socrates.
Socrates: Correct fact #2.
Friend: Of course, Socrates.
Socrates: 1 + 2 = 3. And a half.
Friend: You are so wise Socrates.

Since the arguments are so blatantly made up, it is hard to give any credence to the conclusions. Which is a shame because he espouses some noble sentiments. Maybe the book would be more successful if it showed Socrates living his principles rather than blathering on about them. As it is, the book is really only useful for a discussion of different types of logical fallacies. Suggested new title: "How to Lie with Rhetoric".
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5,030 reviews1,166 followers
November 11, 2013
Jowett's translations are to Plato as King James' committee was to the English bible, viz. as standards against which future efforts are judged.

The first time I actually sat down to read all of Plato, authentic and spurious, was for a course at Loyola University. That was the Hamilton edition. I had, however, read much of Jowett previously and, indeed, much of Jowett is to be found recycled in Hamilton.

The first serious exposure I had to Plato was through Jowett's voice and it occurred during the freshman year of high school, in the required World Civilizations course, a class which had an enormous influence on me as it was my first academic exposure to the fields of religion and comparative cultural anthropology as well as to philosophy.

Afterwards, throughout high school, college, professional and graduate schools, Plato came up again and again, often, if not usually, in the voice of Jowett, a copy of which I had obtained by at least the beginning of college.
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3 reviews9 followers
November 10, 2016
I have always been interested in philosophy...took a few classes in college and did a little of my own research just because it peaks my interest but I am by no means an expert whatsoever. That being said I feel slightly incapable of writing a review on such an "epic" book if you will. My reading comprehension skills are not top notch, but decent. For me this book was sometimes easy to understand and sometimes very difficult. During the difficult parts I would google cliff's notes so I could try to gain a better understanding. I believe when you read philosophy it is very important to focus and try to understand what the author was trying to get across as best as possible. That means researching the history, context, theme, etc. so it can be a little tedious.

Time spent reading and studying this book for me really paid off as I get a "rush" so to speak from wrapping my mind around different ideas, concepts, and schools of thought while attempting to sync them with other philosophical/religious theories as well as science theories. The Dialogues of Plato tell the stories of Socrates' thoughts and reflections in a way that is vivid, entertaining, and thought-provoking. Friendly conversation really does seem the best way to open minds, including your own.

Personally I think everyone should read this book, but I know many people would find it a little boring and uneventful if they are used to high-action, sexy novels. If you can dedicate the time and energy into it it will really open your mind, which is always a good thing! I am working to keep Philosophy alive in the best way I can!
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32 reviews
July 31, 2020
Es interesante leer las últimas palabras de Sócrates antes de morir, saber de qué forma percibían los griegos antiguos el mundo y darte cuenta de cómo esa sociedad realmente es la base de la cultura imperialista.

Hablando estrictamente desde el entretenimiento, puede llegar a ser extremadamente aburrido y repetitivo, pero es gratificante observar cómo los antiguos filósofos debatían hasta llegar a ciertas conclusiones sobre las cuestiones que tenían.
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1,163 reviews39 followers
May 18, 2013
Contains Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Protagoras, Meno, Symposium, and Gorgias. In general, these are considered the primary component of Plato's early works, in which he expounds that learned from his teacher Socrates. The arguments seem somewhat simplistic by today's standards, but the style and logic clearly represent the timeless fame rendered to Socrates. In Apology, Socrates willingly accepts indictment and makes his argument. True to his spirit, he makes adequate defense against both classes of charges but is still found guilty. In arguing his case, he brings out the idea that he is "wise" because he knows he is not and questions every principle proposed to him. In Crito, he also expresses that he wishes the mass could do bad for then they could also do good. Phaedo is moving in the way he willingly accepts his execution, explaining to his followers that a philosopher dedicates their entire life to separating body from soul. He considers it completely natural to follow what the law of society has ordained and does not fear his death but rather looks toward it. In Protogoras, Socrates debates with the former regarding why his young friend should follow Protogoras to learn Virtue. They explore exactly what that is and isn't and Socrates successfully impugns the self-proclaimed value of the Sophists' claim to profess teaching it. His analogy to merchants and their selling of wares without knowing what is good and bad for their customers makes one immediately think of so many modern "improvements." Hippocrates is also present at these debates. Meno involves constant debate regarding virtue. The final conclusion is that it comes from the Divine but must be defined before it can be better understood. In Symposium, Socrates joins in an after-dinner discussion to eulogize Eros. Several mythological concepts are introduced there: the belieft in two Aphrodite's (one being true love and one Pandium), the original human with twice as many of most parts (split by the gods to limit their arrogance and always searching for their pairs; the love is actually a search for immortality through reproduction, or a better society, et al). In Gorgias, Socrates debates the value of rhetoric. (Great phrase ascribed to Callicles: mad with eloquence, like a true politician). Judgment is portrayed as having originally (time of Cronos) been performed by "clothed" men on "clothed men, resulting in a superficial judgment as the dead were sent down one of two roads. To summarize the conclusions, rhetoric is in itself useless (or at least no more than any other skill) and an increase in power is also an increase in ability to sin. Socrates also compared trials of ideas to a trial of a doctor vs a candy maker with a jury composed of children.
13 reviews
June 23, 2021
"Únicamente les pido: atormentad a mis hijos cuando sean mayores, como yo os he atormentado a vosotros, si os parece que se ocupan más de la riqueza que de la virtud, y si creen ser algo, no siendo nada; reñidles, como yo a vosotros, si se enorgullecen sin motivo. Si lo cumplís, me habréis honrado a mí y a mis hijos. Pero ya llegó el instante de partir: yo hacia la muerte y vosotros hacia la vida. Quién de nosotros parte hacia lo mejor, sólo el dios lo sabe."
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25 reviews
June 3, 2020
Sin duda, lo mas dificil que he leido. ¿Leer esto es indispensable para la vida? No, pero definitivamente fue una montaña ruza intelectual. No es para cualquiera, porque cargar el vagón hasta la cima de la montaña ruza requiere de mucho esfuerzo, pero la caída es realmente emocionante. No lo recomiendo como primer libro de Platón, yo inciaría con La República.
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5 reviews2 followers
May 27, 2021
Socrates is an idealist. He believes that by method of conscious rationality truth can be found. He devalues the worldly instincts (the unconscious thought processes), by implying that they are irrational. We know today that these unconscious thought processes aren’t « irrational » purely by virtue of being unconscious.
Socrates idealist methods lead to rationalising as a coping mechanism.
36 reviews1 follower
March 24, 2023
5 estrellas porque los diálogos de Platón son, todavía, únicos y especiales. La narración es enrevesada, si; las situaciones representan una sociedad diferente, si; el extremo racionalismo sobre situaciones cotidianas es raro e infrecuente hoy en día, si; y con todo eso, la esencia de sus enseñanzas es más actual que nunca.

A través de los diálogos de Platón conocemos en profundidad el método Socrático, donde la búsqueda de la verdad, el racionalismo, y la ausencia de opiniones y emociones son sus bazas principales.

Hoy en día a Sócrates se le consideraría un “cuñao”, un amigo muy pesado o auténtico pesimista. Y es que, en nuestra supuesta inmensa racionalidad humana, sigue dominando lo emocional, lo perceptivo y lo coyuntural (grandes conclusiones con pocos datos). Te advierto, si profundizas en su método, comenzarás a hablar así tambien. Encontrarás que no te entienden, pero sabrás mejor lo que no sabes… y Sócrates habrá logrado su cometido.

Los diálogos son muchos y variados. Dependiendo de la compilación que encuentres aparecerán diferentes diálogos. Cada uno se enfoca en un punto concreto, por lo que pueden leerse sin orden ni contexto. No es una lectura fácil, pero si enriquecedora.

El más famoso tal vez es la “Apología de Sócrates”. También famosa es la frase “solo se que no se nada”, y ¿ a que no sabes? Dicha frase nunca aparece así en el diálogo, ni su significado es el que solemos darle en la cultura popular. Sócrates no es reduccionista, no dice “no se nada” para tirársela de intelectual con poco tiempo; todo lo contrario, no enseña que en mucho (si no todo) de lo que sabemos, ignoramos lo que no sabemos, y al ignorar lo que no sabemos, pasamos a ser más ignorantes sobre el problema. Su optimismo está en decir: siempre puedo saber más, y por tanto debo escuchar, aprender y revisar constantemente.

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240 reviews48 followers
June 5, 2022
Sokrates'in Savunması, Gorgias, Menon, Kratylos, İon, Kriton, Kharmides, Lakhes, Lysis, Protagoras, Theaitetos ve Sofist diyaloglarından oluşuyor kitap. Üst üste 12 diyalog okumak ağır ve sıkıcı gelebilir ancak böyle olunca Sokrates'e ve onun tarzına daha bir alışıyor; onun can sıkıcı, hafif alaycı ve ısrarlı tavrının altında yatan şeyin bilgiye/doğruya ulaşmadaki taviz vermez talepkarlığı olduğunu daha net anlıyorsunuz. Birkaç diyalog sonra, o artık tanıdığınız biri haline geliyor ve farklı konulardaki "sınama"larını keyifle okuyorsunuz. Genel olarak diyaloglar Sokrates'e yakışır şekilde, kesin yargılara bağlanamıyor tabii ki. Zaten onun amacı "bu işin doğrusu budur" demekten ziyade karşısındakinin varsayımlarını ve ön kabullerini tekrar düşünmesini sağlayarak sarsmak ve mümkünse gerçeği birlikte aramak; tartışmayı kazanmak ya da karşısındakinden daha bilgili olduğunu ispatlamak değil. Kendi deyimiyle o bir atsineği:

"Gerçekten öldürtürseniz beni, ne denli gülünç de olsa bir benzetmeye izin verin, büyük ve yiğit ama büyüklüğünden dolayı ağır, yavaş olan ve dürtülmesi gereken bir atı andıran devleti yerinden oynatmak için tanrının tebelleş ettiği benim gibi bir atsineğini kolay kolay bulamazsınız. Ben tanrının devletin başına tebelleş ettiği bir atsineğiyim; her gün her yerde dürtüyor, uyarıyor, azarlıyorum, ardınızı bırakmıyorum. Benim gibi birini kolay kolay bulamayacaksınız, yargıçlar, onun için beni esirgemenizi, kendinizi benden yoksun bırakmamanızı salık veririm." (s.27)

Diyaloglar Platon'un da değişen fikirlerine ışık tutuyor. Örneğin, Protagoras diyalogunda sofistlere karşı saygılı bir tavır sergilenirken; Sofist diyalogunda -ki bu diyalog Platon'un yaşlılık diyaloglarındanmış- bu tavır değişikliğe uğramış.
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2 reviews
December 3, 2022
Balancing philosophical though rational reasoning with concepts of soul and divine forces felt quite controversial to me.
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44 reviews
May 22, 2023
"No lloren por mi muerte, para que no hubiera lágrimas saqué a las mujeres de este lugar, así que ustedes mis fieles tengan más firmeza"

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103 reviews1 follower
March 16, 2020
X3 - Platón
La Apología de Sócrates
Patricio de Azcárate, 1871

Este es el tercer texto que leo dentro del “árbol” del existencialismo. Corresponde a la apología, escrita por Platón, durante y luego del juicio en que condenan a muerte a Sócrates.

Ha sido muy curioso esto de “irse unos 2400 años hacia el pasado” para encontrar esta raíz profunda del existencialismo, defendiéndose Sócrates a más de sus 70 años de edad, antes de que lo maten (acusación de Melito, Alito y Licon) por haber influido negativamente sobre la juventud y la sociedad en Atenas. Me impresionó el cuadro en que uno ve a su esposa Xantipa, echándole agua en el cuello.

Con Sócrates, estamos en una unión de pueblos que se convierten en ciudad, y en donde se logra un régimen democrático que dura unos 500 años. Luego llegará Roma. La economía rural ateniense se sustentaba en la granja familiar. Sócrates fue formado en música, literatura y gimnasia y se familiarizó con la dialéctica y la retórica de los sofistas. Evitaba la política. Era austero en comida y bebida. Era pobre.

Me llamó mucho la atención que Sócrates no escribió ningún libro. Lo que sigue son textos extraídos de “La Apología de Sócrates”, escrita por Platón, luego de que su maestro había muerto.

Sócrates responde a los adversarios. “Es un hombre peligroso, que intenta penetrar los misterios del cielo y de la tierra, que tiene la maña de hacer buena la peor causa, y que enseña públicamente el secreto”.3 Sócrates invoca a Apolo. “Se ha relacionado con los poetas , con los políticos , con los artistas y con los oradores; es decir, con los hombres que pasan por los más hábiles y los más sabios de todos”.4 Sócrates cuidaba menos su causa que el triunfo de sus doctrinas morales. Mantuvo una actitud altanera durante el juicio, lo cual influyó el voto de algunos de sus jueces en su contra.

Sócrates es consciente de su sabiduría y por eso se defiende él mismo. Siendo el sabio y sabe que no sabe nada. “Yo no he salido de una encina ó de una roca (Odisea. Lib. 19, v, 163).”

Votaron 556 jueces y resultaron 281 votos en contra y 275 en favor. “Es que hay trazas de que lo que me sucede es un gran bien, y nos engañamos todos sin duda, si creemos que la muerte es un mal.” “¿Entre vosotros y yo, quién lleva la mejor parte? Esto es lo que nadie sabe, excepto Dios”. 46
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March 18, 2021

La colección contempla 3 diálogos: Gorgias, Fedón y El Banquete (o del Amor).

El primero de estos es sumamente interesante, se habla tanto del rol de la retórica, del sofismo, de la justicia, la injusticia y de si es peor ser víctima de una injusticia o cometerla. Sócrates se va debatiendo con distintos interlocutores mediante preguntas que hacen que ellos mismos desbaraten sus propios argumentos o reconozcan las falencias en los mismos.

El segundo de los diálogos se refiere al momento de la muerte de Sócrates, a ese último día en prisión esperando a beber la cicuta mientras sus discípulos y amigos se reúnen con él para una última conversación. Se habla del alma, de su inmortalidad, de la teoría de las ideas. Sócrates defiende que un filósofo no solo debe no temer a la muerte, sino que debe ansiarla, pues es lo que le acerca a desprenderse del cuerpo (vicioso, corrompible) y acerca al alma al objeto máximo de sus deseos (la sabiduría). Este es por lejos el más interesante de los diálogos, guarda cierta emotividad y se abre a varios debates que me parecen aplicables y pertinentes al día a día.

Por último, el Banquete. En este se reúnen varias personas que comienzan a hacer un elogio al amor, presentándose distintas perspectivas, algunas cargadas de mitos, otras de poesía, otras de emocionalidad o racionalidad. Finalmente llega el turno de Sócrates que define una concepción del amor no como bella o fea, sino como intermedia entre ambos. En este sentido, el amor sería aquello que busca a lo bello (lo que se ama) mientras que el mismo no necesariamente lo es (pues, según se argumenta, aquello que es bello en sí mismo no anhelaría aquello que ya tiene). Este diálogo me pareció el menos atractivo y era el que más anticipaba, tal vez fuera que las perspectivas que anteceden a Sócrates no me resultaron fáciles de empatizar o comprender.

Finalmente, la lectura de estos Diálogos de Platón me fue muy grata. Son fáciles de comprender, la forma de la narración hace que los conceptos no parezcan inalcanzables y el método socrático queda muy patente en cada uno de ellos. Como primera aproximación a ideas filosóficas me parece muy recomendable.
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21 reviews17 followers
February 10, 2011
Probablement el segon millor llibre de tots els que he llegit (que són pocs). Aquesta edició de la magnífica col·lecció de divulgació "Sepan cuantos" de l'editorial Porrua de Mèxic compta amb un excel·lent estudi preliminar de Francisco Larroyo, ideal per als que s'apropen a Plató per primer cop.
Maybe the second.best book I ever read (only a few, I'm afraid). This edition from the great "Sepan cuantos" collection from Mexican Editorial Porrua counts with an excellent preliminar study from Francisco Larroyo, ideal for those who reads Plato for the first time.
Tal vez el segundo mejor libro de todos lo que he leído (que son pocos). Esta edición de la magnífica colección "Sepan cuantos" de la Editorial Porrua de Mexico cuenta además con un excelente estudio preliminar de Francisco Larroyo. ideal para los que se aproximan a Platón por primera vez.
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98 reviews12 followers
June 13, 2015
The cleverness of Plato shines through in his writing and his way of proving things. This does not mean that he's always right. His reasonings can be pointed out with many flaws and are not very scientific. Plato argues that there's immortality of the soul (though he should first question if there's such thing as a soul or not). There are lots of talking about gods and the doing of gods. But from the viewpoint of an ancient greek, this could be forgiven.

Many of his ideas are presented here such as the theory of forms, the gaining of knowledges through recollection and Platonic's love. He's of the idealism, believing in the absolute truth and absolute beauty.

Plato and Socrates deserve all those respects as the pillar of western philosophy. In every philosophy class, they should have students read one of these dialogues. This sums up what it is all about, the questionings and examinings of what we think we know, the uses of logical reasoning to gain new thoughts and insights.
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75 reviews2 followers
May 10, 2018
"The easiest and the noblest way is not to be crushing others, but to be improving yourselves."

It's interesting to think that political correctness existed so far back in the past and that it still is here today. it's a long running rule that will always be broken. it's a long running tool used as an excuse to condemn people who otherwise there would be nothing to condemn them with.

I wonder what Socrates would say... being that the attempt to destroy others still continues. And that instead of being sentenced to death like was done to him, political correctness today is meant to wear down one's soul and ideas instead.
July 9, 2020
Mi diálogo favorito es el de "BANQUETE", el cual analiza el concepto del amor desde distintas posturas. Durante el proceso de estudiar filosofía, uno se da cuenta de que la afirmación de Whitehead, sobre la obra de Platón, es muy acertada, sin que rayemos en el fanatismo. "Toda la filosofía occidental es una serie de notas a pie de página de las obras de Platón" (A.N. Whitehead). Es llevadero leerlo, su estilo de diálogo hace entretenida la lectura considerando el lenguaje de la época en la que fueron escritos.
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390 reviews7 followers
March 22, 2015
I gave this five stars because I really enjoy hearing the mind bending thoughts of classical philosophers. I do not necessarily support every conclusion, but I cannot argue against the strength of the logic put on display in these discussions.

The toughest part for me, as an atheist, is going along with the immortality of the soul and the logic supporting such a thing. Besides this obvious conflict in points of view, seeing how Socrates rationalized and deduced was masterful.
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34 reviews4 followers
November 18, 2021
Creo que sólo puedo decir que este libro, clásico entre clásicos del pensamiento occidental, es una puerta tan elemental como necesaria de atravesar en el proceso de formación y crecimiento personal. La claridad que aporta y el ejercicio casi gimnástico al que somete la mente, son joyas que uno debe darse la oportunidad de recibir. Incluso si hemos de buscar criticar o refutar algún punto, su valor no se reduce en lo más mínimo.
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96 reviews2 followers
April 3, 2015
Difficult to get through at points, but a good reminder that not much has changed in terms if human society. Also interesting that some of the themes of myths told by socrates are being verified by science today.
7 reviews6 followers
July 24, 2014
Teaches you [how] to question day to day life events. I would recommend this to every philosophy reader.
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296 reviews7 followers
April 26, 2022
Ya había tenido acercamientos a la filosofía de Platón, pero nunca había leído su obra propiamente hasta ahora y vaya que es algo increíble. Quizá no es una experiencia que te cambia la vida, pero sí te hace ver las cosas de una manera diferente, siendo muy interesante tener un vistazo a la manera de pensar que se tenía miles de años atrás.

En el primer diálogo, Gorgias, lo que parece ser una discusión en torno a la retórica, resulta en uno en torno a lo justo y a la política. Lo increíble de Platón es que a través de los cuestionamientos de Sócrates no solo somos lectores, sino que partícipes; las preguntas que dirige a las otras tres figuras son dirigidas a nosotros también. Platón no solo enseña filosofía, sino que nos invita a pensar con él y por nuestra propia cuenta, abriendo la posibilidad de no estar de acuerdo, pero refutando, en un ejercicio de razonamiento. El tema central de este diálogo es sublime por sí mismo y da una enseñanza vital en la vida, que es buscar obrar para el bien y no hacer el bien para obtener una sensación agradable, porque entonces no se estaría haciendo el bien en absoluto, siempre procurando ser justos, pues, de lo contrario, realmente no podríamos alcanzar la dicha. No obstante, es el proceso para llegar a esa conclusión lo que es realmente es hermoso.

El segundo diálogo, Fedón, es probablemente mi menos favorito, pero eso se debe a que es un poco más pesado que los otros dos. Sin embargo, este representa la propuesta filosófica bajo la que se rige el trabajo de Platón, que es el alma y la teoría de las ideas, sin duda algo muy interesante y que ofrece una alternativa ante la muerte, algo que aún nos preocupa hoy día. Asimismo, es realmente emotivo de leer, pues se habla a través de Sócrates, en sus últimos momentos antes de morir (y no quiero empezar con lo mucho que me cabrea esta situación) y nos da una extraña sensación de paz dentro de una tristeza inmensa.

El último diálogo, El Banquete, habla del amor, tema que, en lo personal, me atrae demasiado. En primer lugar es muy interesante ver como la idea del amor era muy diferente antes de la llegada de la religión. Me parece que, si bien no coincide del todo con mi ideología (pues hay mucho machismo intrínseco, dada la época), si tiene algunos puntos que, creo, sería mejor retomar en la actualidad para detener las oleadas de odio que estamos viviendo.
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July 27, 2022
Диалектичная философия

Как часто Вам приходится сталкиваться с философскими размышлениями? Как мне кажется, каждый из нас сталкивается с рассуждениями над воистину философскими вопросами — государство, жизнь, любовь, законы — хотя бы один раз. Но диалектика — это вовсе не что-то новое и нетривиальное в философии, она существует уже давно, и тому доказательство — «Диалоги» Платона.

Уникальность философии Платона подчеркивается диалектическими размышлениями, которые столь не присущи более современным философам по типу Канта или Локка. Несмотря на то, что среди философов есть более неординарные личности — Эрих Фромм или Фридрих Ницше, — однако философия Платона точно является одной из основополагающей среди остальных школ. Все благодаря уникальности подачи своих мыслей: Платон не просто пишет тезисно то, что он сам думает, — это можно найти у большинства философов, даже у его ученика, Аристотеля. Платон, в свою очередь, пишет диалектику: размышления с помощью диалога между двумя или более людьми, как правило, одним из них является учитель Платона — Сократ.

Мысли, заложенные в «Диалогах», актуальны по сей день. Разумеется, что-то уже давно кануло в лету, как космоцентризм, однако есть и те тезисы, которые не утратят своей важности. Именно поэтому Платона стоит изучить любому человеку, который хоть как-то интересуется философией, именно поэтому эти работы изучаются в высших учебных заведениях в качестве фундамента перед более совершенными философскими течениями.

Стоит заметить, что здесь нет «Государства», однако диалоги, находящиеся в этой книге, имеют некоторые отличия от первого диалога. К примеру, они куда более обширны, в них нет односложных ответов, которых предостаточно в «Государстве». Благодаря этому эти диалоги более информативны и более похожи на увлеченную беседу, когда собеседники не общаются друг с другом односложными фразами, будто им это общение неинтересно.

В любом случае, Платон достоин Вашего внимания, именно благодаря ему мы имеем современные философские течения, потому что Платон — один из первых философов, чьи работы дошли до нас почти полностью, тем более, они имеют в себе множество мыслей, над которыми можно задуматься, несмотря на их возраст.
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January 3, 2023
Okay. I'm mostly in love with this because of some of the issues that Plato raises, and how he argues them, but at times the dialogues are more like monologues, an Abbott and Costello skit with Socrates playing the funny man laying down some fly philosophy, and Socrates' buddies often saying things like, "You're so right, Socrates, please tell me more!"

It felt a bit like this scene from 'The Princess Bride", where the character Vizzini is presented with two goblets by the Man in Black, one of which Vizzini believes is poisoned. He believes he needs to drink from one and he has to use his wits to get out of the situation.

MAN IN BLACK (Random Buddy of Socrates): All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead.

VIZZINI (Socrates): But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?

He (Socrates) studies the Man In Black (Buddy) now.

VIZZINI: Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

MAN IN BLACK (Socrates' Buddy): You've made your decision then

VIZZINI: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

MAN IN BLACK (Socrates' Buddy): Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Yeah, he drinks the poison.
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March 26, 2023
A very fascinating book and, if it weren't for some outdated points in the reasoning, which, unfortunately, occupy a very decent volume of this collection, it'd be possible to give it all five stars. When I started reading, I expected some moralizing in the spirit of Seneca the Younger, but Plato's style pleased me very much, and there were even some funny moments, not to mention the depth of thoughts and immersion in the historical atmosphere of the ancient world.

I don't even know who I'm supposed to be praising: Plato's writing talent (who recreated Socrates so vividly, giving him some of his thoughts and features) or Socrates himself. Reading these dialogues, I came to the conclusion that Socrates was a very ironic person who liked to pretend to be a simpleton, a kind of ignoramus who's stupider than everyone, expecting wisdom from others. His excessive modesty seemed to me a kind of crafty pose, in which hardly anyone believed, and sometimes directly called out such behavior of a famous sage drawing in front of an interlocutor. This is especially evident in Socrates' dialogue with Phaedrus in Phaedrus.

I really enjoyed reading Plato's work and it left a pleasant impression. It gives an opportunity to reflect on interesting philosophical issues, and I recommend it to lovers of the literature of the Ancient world.
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