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Platon, nefret ettigini söyledigi dönemin politik yapisindan ve devlet düzeninden yakinirken, yozlasmanin örnegi olarak "arkadasi olan yasli bir adamin" haksiz yere ölüme mahkûm edilisini örnek gösterir. Sokrates`tir bu kisi. Sokrates`in ünlü "Savunmasi`, biri Xenaphon`a biri de Platon`a ait olan iki metin üzerinden günümüze ulasmistir. "Savunma" bize, bir yandan IÖ 4. ...more
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Published 2005 by Bordo Siyah (first published -399)
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Don Whether Socrates is a respectable person or not depends on how much you think a person should value their own life. In Socrates' case, he values truth…moreWhether Socrates is a respectable person or not depends on how much you think a person should value their own life. In Socrates' case, he values truth and virtues more than his own life, this can be seen as foolish by some. The other point people may or may not respect Socrates is that he teaches without taking fees, he thinks that taking fees is the equivalent to selling knowledge just like how prostitutes sell their body; it is also a reason why he lived poorly and cannot even afford a good amount of "bail" when he was deciding his own verdict.

About his arguments, the way that he proves himself innocent is to first reframe. He points out that the accusers are trained orators and he is not, he is also not accustomed to the court since he's never been accused before, but he has a lot of eye witness that could testify his good characters.
The second characteristic of his argument is to build it up from assumptions that even his accusers can agree on. For example, Socrates was accused of corrupting the young. The basic gist of his argument is as following: 1. If I mislead the youth 2. The youth acts in a bad way 3. The youth will harm those around him 4. Why would I want to harm myself? 5. Even if I want to, the youth would later realise I have deceived them and say so 6. List out many examples of those who don't agree.
Are they good arguments or bad arguments? I think it is a good argument in the sense that you build an argument with a premise that not even your accuser can refuse, that is a powerful way to argue. However, whether or not that argument is foolproof is another question.(less)
Manuel-Antonio Monteagudo Gauvrit it is a beautiful text, and easy to read to this day. I highly recommend it!
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Manny
[Original review, Jan 11 2015]

Apology of Charlie Hebdo

To the Americans, who rule the world by brute military and economic force, while claiming they're doing it for our own good: fuck off.

To the Russians, who pretend they're not just the same as the Americans, except militarily weaker and less honest: fuck off.

To the Israelis, who take advantage of their American backers to enslave and torture the Palestinians: fuck off.

To the Muslims, who react to the exploitation and torture inflicted on them
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Riku Sayuj

Double Jeopardy

Be sure that if you kill the sort of man I say I am, you will not harm me more than yourselves.

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On the other hand, if I say that it is the greatest good for a man to discuss virtue every day, testing themselves and others for the unexamined life is not worth living for men, you will believe me even less.

Socrates, of The Apology is an eloquent figure who is an unrivaled guide to the good life the thoughtful life, and he is as relevant today as he was in ancient Athens. The
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Sean Barrs The Ultra Vegan
Socrates is guilty of busying himself with research into whats beneath the earth and in the heaven and making the weaker argument the stronger and teaching the same things to others

So Socrates is guilty of expanding his mind and teaching his discoveries to his students. Such a terrible man isnt he, to try to learn more about the world and the existence of mankind? Is this cause of execution, free thinking and questioning the doctrines fed to us? Plato himself was next to be accused; thus, he
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booklady
Sep 27, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: biography, 2017
This little book, a mere conversation actually, is the source of so many excellent quotes as to be indispensable to our Western heritage. I was reading a few to my dear husband the other night and he wanted me to send them to him. Sadly, weas a societywant to expunge this type of literature from our childrens education because it was written by dead white men.

Oh foolish people! But then, that is also what Socrates died formens fear of the Truth. It was the same back in Athens when he died. As
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Manny
Celebrity Death Match Special: Plato versus Isaac Asimov, part 4 (continued from here)

[A spaceship en route from Trantor to Earth. SOCRATES and R. DANEEL OLIVAW]

SOCRATES: Hadn't we already said goodbye?

OLIVAW: Forgive me, Socrates. I had forgotten that you were going back to a death sentence.

SOCRATES: It is easy to forget such details.

OLIVAW: I am truly sorry, Socrates. Indeed, I am surprised that my First Law module permitted me to do it. But you are just so... so...

SOCRATES: Irritating?

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Mike W
Oct 08, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is one of the best works of philosophy or literature ever written. It is Plato's version of Socrates's defense at his trial. The word "apology" here means defense. Socrates is on trial for his life for blasphemy and for corrupting the youth of Athens. He very easily leads his primary accuser, Meletus, into contradictions. And he tries to explain to the jury and to the spectators how it is that he gained a reputation as a wise man among some, and a villain among others. One of Socrates's ...more
Roy Lotz
This is perhaps the most iconic of Platos works, the closest thing that philosophy has to a Sermon on the Mount. And just as with our Biblical narratives, the dialogue presents a historical difficulty. To what extent is this speech fact, and to what extent invention? The only other record we have of the trial is from Xenophon, who wasnt even there. Plato was thereor at least he asserts that he wasand yet it beggars belief that the young, would-be amanuensis could retain the entire speech in his ...more
Brad Lyerla
Dec 01, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I read the APOLOGY this week in THE TRIAL AND DEATH OF SOCRATES: FOUR DIALOGUES published by Dover. The translator is Benjamin Jowett.

APOLOGY is Plato's re-creation of Socrates' summation in his own defense against the indictment that he corrupted the youth of Athens with blasphemous philosophical teachings. It is fascinating as much for the defiant and mocking tone that Socrates adopts -- certainly knowing that it would seal his fate -- as it is for its demonstration of rhetorical logic. In
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Capsguy
Mar 24, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: greek
Not even your Socratic arguing could save you. Such a pity that we still haven't changed, not in all of these thousands of years. Even though he knew he was doomed, he still did not submit and whimper like a coward, begging for mercy. When you are outside the grasp of power, no matter how well you try to persuade those to look into the right direction, if they, for their own gains are against it, you're screwed.

I don't know if I could do the same, be presented with life (even thought I'd be
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Liz Janet
Plato and I are not buddies. I find him interesting, but also think of him as a lunatic grandpa with unrealistic views of the world. Therefore, he is not my favourite old Greek man to read, but this is his best. This is Socrates apology for what he did. Basically, Socrates invented philosophy, and then he was killed for it. I mean, they did not just kill him like they did Hypathia, he had a proper trial and all. Please, read the entire work instead of the short snippet, reading it in full has a ...more
David Sarkies
Sep 01, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Everybody
Recommended to David by: David Hester
Shelves: philosophy
In defense of philosophy
1 September 2012

These days when we think of the word apology we usually connect it with us saying sorry for something that we have done wrong, however that is not necessarily the origin of the word. Christianity has a field of study known as apologetics, and once again, this is not necessarily saying sorry for the many evils deeds that have been committed under the name of Christianity but rather putting up a defense against attacks that are generally levelled against
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Sam Quixote
Aug 26, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is Platos account of his mentor, Socrates, as he met his accusers in Athenian court to defend himself against charges of blasphemy and corrupting the young.

Socrates makes short work of the weak arguments made by his chief accuser, Meletus, through logical deconstruction. Whats interesting is that the defence isnt really of Socrates against his charges but of his life and philosophy, which is basically what the trial is really about.

His latest troubles began when the Oracle at Delphi
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Steve
Perhaps the most famous of the Socratic dialogues, the Apology (in the sense of apologia or defense before a tribunal) presents Socrates (469-399 BCE) as he defends himself against charges that he corrupted the youth of Athens and did not honor the proper gods. It is probably not a spoiler to say that Socrates was convicted and condemned to death. Subsequently, many of Socrates' pupils wrote their versions of the events and of the words spoken, though most have been lost. The Apology is a ...more
A Bookish ✧ Fable
'Do not be upset when I tell you the truth! No human can start an honest fight with you or any other public assembly, nobody can try to stop chrimes and unlawful doings without failing and going under. No, if anyone really should stride for what is right and keep life going for atleast a short period of time, then he must do it as himself , and not as a public speaker.' Sokrates

(Quote translated personally from Swedish vers.)

This is Platos notes from what Sokrates was saying when he
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Darwin8u
"If you think killing people will stop anyone reproaching you for not living corrrectly, you are not thinking straight."
- Socrates, as writing by Plato in 'Socrates Defense'

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Vol N° 52 of my Penguin Little Black Classics Box Set. This volume contains Socrates Defense and is essentially Christopher Rowe's translation of Plato's Apology, which when taken with Euthyphro, Crito, and Phaedo make up The Trial and Death of Socrates.

I've read a different translation of this before (a couple times), but
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Christopher
Jan 03, 2009 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: everyone
It's been a while since I read this. In fact, I wonder if I really ever did read it. Nonetheless, what struck me in this reading were parallels to the New Testament. Both Jesus and Socrates probed by asking questions, both ruffled the establish, both exposed dearly held pretentiousness, both were condemned by their countrymen.

Even certain phrases in Apology are reflected in the NT (though it could be an accident of translation): "to die is gain", "I shall obey God rather than you", "[do not]
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Peter
Aug 16, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Wordsmith lovers
Beautiful, just beautiful. You can hear every word Socrates makes so much so that this should be classed as a readable audio book for the way the words inspire and fire the mind.

MORE Socrates and Plato if you will... Bravo, more,more (sound of audiance applause)
Sara
Feb 23, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
"The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways - I today, and you to live. Which is better God only knows."
Genni
Jan 02, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: re-read, philosophy
I love reading Plato, but there is a gaping disadvantage in trying to write a review on something that has been "reviewed" almost constantly and critically for 2000+ years. Oh,well. I have to add my enthusiastic thoughts/rating to the stream.

While reading, I thought of Paul in Athens some 400 years after Socrates was condemned to death. The legacy of the Greek philosophers lived on and Acts declares that "the Athenians and the strangers visiting there used to spend their time in nothing other
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Joey Woolfardis
Probably the best of the 80 so far. Socrates was a wonderful man who knew what was what. It's a sad thing that the world hasn't changed since 360 BCE when he made this speech before he was *SPOILER ALERT* put to death for corrupting the youth with his truth


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Onur
Jan 31, 2019 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
The Defense of Socrates consist with three sections. At the first section he defenses himself against to accusation of temptation to children and other offenses, he is too decisive in this section. In the second part he is comments his offense and at the third part he is sending direct message to the judges. It is so interesting.
Anand
May 27, 2013 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is a very good story and philosophy.

Never truly understood it when I first read it.

As I read it again, I understood what socrates wanted to convey and I understood on how good of writer plato was.

The apology should always be starting point for philosophy.
JethOrensin
Feb 22, 2020 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Some people draw comparisons between Jesus and Socrates in the way they were both falsely accused and faced death without fear. Well, those people are wrong, because in this work Socrates provides a lot more detail on his line of thinking and his courage, than the few pages of the Bible that deal with Jesus' mock trial.

Socrates also has an added bonus in his courage that makes it more impressive. Socrates is not the son of God and he is not set to resurrect, so he is even exploring the idea,
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Yeshi Dolma
Jul 04, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Having started reading philosophy and its history this year, I already thought os Socrates as an utterly impressive philosopher; his questions were pretty darn legit despite what it brought him! Now, after reading his defence, and keeping aside the fact that Plato was his student and that this might not be the most unbiased writing, my admiration for this determined brave philosopher grows more. Good Read!
Jaro
Feb 26, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: p-plato
Read in Swedish translation.
Ericka Clouther
Interesting, moving, my favorite dialogue so far. Though we've all heard "the unexamined life is not worth living" I particularly enjoyed the full quote (depending on your translation this may vary obviously):

"And if I say again that the greatest good of man is to converse daily about virtue and all that which you hear me examining myself and others, and that the unexamined life is not worth living, that you are still less likely to believe. And yet what I say is true, although a thing of which
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Noelia Alonso
I honestly don't know how to rate this book. I've been sitting here, for about 20 minutes, trying to decide between 2.5 or 3 stars. I liked the way this was written but at some points I felt like Socrates was a bit presumptuous but then again, he's probably smarter than the whole bunch of people there. Darn it, 3 stars it is
Ahmed Samir
Jun 23, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
It's the apology which truly got me fascinated in philosophy. The book is quite demanding and I really do like the tone with which it is written. It doesn't necessarily discuss the most prominent philosophical conundrums Plato is famous for, but still an excellent read.
Pink
Dec 28, 2013 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Plato and Socrates all wrapped up in one book, this makes me feel cultured....

It's really short, clever and thought provoking, so you should probably read it....

That's all the wisdom I can conjure up for this review
Lea
It was more interesting and engaging than expected.
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(Greek: Πλάτων) (Arabic: أفلاطون) (Alternate Spelling: Platon, Platón, Platone)
Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western
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