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Human Diversity: The Biology of Gender, Race, and Class

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All people are equal but, as Human Diversity explores, all groups of people are not the same -- a fascinating investigation of the genetics and neuroscience of human differences.

The thesis of Human Diversity is that advances in genetics and neuroscience are overthrowing an intellectual orthodoxy that has ruled the social sciences for decades. The core of the orthodoxy
Published January 28th 2020 by Twelve
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*** Edited to add a TW: This review is apparently EXTREMELY triggering to racist white supremacist men. Proceed at your own risk:

Racism and transphobia passing as science.
No surprise since this is the same racist that brought us The Bell Curve.
This books doesn't offer anything new to what we know to be a racist analysis.

He doesn't take into account facts like the college cheating scandal which end the myth that white people are smarter.
They're not even taking their own tests. They don't write
Roger John Jones
It ain't what you know...

It's what you know that just ain't so.

"The debate about nature versus nurture is not just one of many issues in social science. It is fundamental for everything involving human behavior."

I assume you have read the book description above so I will not regurgitate. My best description is that this is a very dense, fact packed meta analysis of decades of meta analyses. It is not for the faint of heart. I expect to read it at least twice more before it sinks in. (Thank
Steve Stanton
Feb 03, 2020 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This revolutionary book is structured around ten empirical Propositions which are rigorously defended by veteran political scientist and sociologist, Charles Murray. He argues that the social sciences are about to be transformed by individual genetic data known as “polygenic scores” that will replace traditional IQ measures. Decades ago, when I was a university student, the debate between Nurture vs. Nature was lively. But now the results are in: It's all nature! Human children are preordained ...more
Jan 31, 2020 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Surprisingly well-rounded interpretation of the literature in a broad spectrum of subjects, all treated with respect and nuance. Colour me surprised!
Ok so this is a response to a person called Lois who wrote a very wrong and dishonest review. This person is also deleting every single response to her review in order to just insult the person and misrepresent his statement.

So let's rewrite this response
- Not any proof of this cheating thing, btw you can't cheat on an iq test and there are many other test are showing the same gap (SAT, LSAT, ACT).

- False concensus fallacy, Intelligence can be measured the first dimensions (the g factor)
Ryan Lackey
Jan 31, 2020 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: wrongthink
This is probably the book Charles Murray should have written, instead of The Bell Curve. It was basically a pretty reasonable introduction to modern genetics, combined with 10 basically uncontroversial assertions supported by evidence that there are sex and ancestral-population differences, and then reaffirmation that differences don't mean superiority, and that humans have value independent of their test scores, skin color, etc. If it had been written by anyone without the rather controversial ...more
Feb 09, 2020 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
VERY clear. Touchy subject but VERY good. Reality and facts are painful at times but are necessary for progress for if you live your life making excuses for your short comings instead of admitting they are at least possible, you will eventually be delusional and distant from reality. Much like the leaders of a certain political party that refuses to celebrate anything other than change.. All things do not require change but one must recognize truth and Face facts. Denial is very unhealthy.
Dora Milaje Crochet
This is not as racist as The Bell Curve.
Because of The Bell Curve I went into this book with the knowledge that this author is a racist white supremacist, he has softened his stance but it is clearly still the driver of his work and 'science'.

Mostly a white supremacists wet dream as evidenced in the reviews that give 5 stars.
Feb 10, 2020 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
The Goodreads blurb does an excellent job in giving an overview, although the part that claims the orthodoxy of race as a social construct should probably be that it is mostly a lie rather than a half-truth. I've not looked for the barbs that have likely been hurled at his work yet, but that will keep. I think Murray has done this brilliantly. The closing blur paragraph, "It is not a story to be feared. "There are no monsters in the closet," Murray writes, "no dread doors we must fear opening." ...more
Jonathan David Botchlett
This was a tough review to write. I don’t review every book I read, but after reading some of the reviews posted here the reviews posted here I thought some may find it helpful to see a review that wasn’t pushing pushing a political agenda (either left or right). I don’t agree with all the author’s political beliefs, some of which one could call left wing (universal basic income) and some could be called right wing (affirmative action in any form is bad). But I do believe that most of the 1 and ...more
Harald Groven
Well sourced and well researched critique of the prevailing dogma within social sciences, namely variation on the theme "..... is a social construct" and "X is entirely due to socialization".

Murray describes the left wing/social science orthodoxy as:
— "Call it the sameness premise: In a properly run society, people of all human groupings will have similar life outcomes. Individuals might have differences in abilities, the orthodoxy (usually) acknowledges, but groups do not have inborn
Mark O'mara
Feb 15, 2020 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
An accomplished work of social science for the general reader. Very much informed and driven by the widely accepted conclusions within the disciplines researching the influence genetics and environments have on human diversity, outcomes and behaviour. The book is structured around ten propositions (truths) about human nature put forward by the author and then supported by a lot of data. The data part can get a little tedious at times but I think it was necessary to support the propositions.

Steve Gross
Feb 15, 2020 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Very difficult reading. Filled with math, statistics and biology. Makes many points that should become starting points of further discussion and exploration. Murray says again and again that sociology will now become an actual science. Not sure about that, but he's a very smart guy and usually right.
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Charles Alan Murray is an American libertarian conservative political scientist, author, and columnist. His book Losing Ground: American Social Policy 1950–1980 (1984), which discussed the American welfare system, was widely read and discussed, and influenced subsequent government policy. He became well-known for his controversial book The Bell Curve (1994), written with Richard Herrnstein, in ...more
“The propositions that accompany most of the chapters . . . are not as snappy as I would prefer—but there’s a reason for their caution and caveats. On certain important points, the clamor of genuine scientific dispute has abated and we don’t have to argue about them anymore. But to meet that claim requires me to state the propositions precisely. I am prepared to defend all of them as “things we don’t have to argue about anymore”—but exactly as I worded them, not as others may paraphrase them.

Here they are:

1. Sex differences in personality are consistent worldwide and tend to widen in more gender-egalitarian cultures.

2. On average, females worldwide have advantages in verbal ability and social cognition while males have advantages in visuospatial abilities and the extremes of mathematical ability.

3. On average, women worldwide are more attracted to vocations centered on people and men to vocations centered on things.

4. Many sex differences in the brain are coordinate with sex differences in personality, abilities, and social behavior.

5. Human populations are genetically distinctive in ways that correspond to self-identified race and ethnicity.

6. Evolutionary selection pressure since humans left Africa has been extensive and mostly local.

7. Continental population differences in variants associated with personality, abilities, and social behavior are common.

8. The shared environment usually plays a minor role in explaining personality, abilities, and social behavior.

9. Class structure is importantly based on differences in abilities that have a substantial genetic component.

10. Outside interventions are inherently constrained in the effects they can have on personality, abilities, and social behavior.”
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