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The Empire of Dreams

(Girl of Fire and Thorns #4)

Rae Carson

4.16 · Rating details · 1,384 ratings · 259 reviews

New York Times-bestselling author Rae Carson makes a triumphant return to the world of her award-winning Girl of Fire and Thorns trilogy in this extraordinary stand-alone novel. With action, adventure, and a heroine set on destroying the patriarchal limits meant to keep her in her place, The Empire of Dreams once again proves that Rae Carson is a master of epic fan ...more

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Apr 21, 2020 Angelica rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: read-2020, authors-i-love, arc, release-2020

It's official, after all this time, I still love Rae Carson's writing.

Red was wonderful. I can't believe that she's the same little slave girl that we met in The Bitter Kingdom. She has really come into her own and developed into such a strong character.

Rosario has also grown into his own. And newcomer Ivan was a great addition.

I also really enjoyed the entire cast. All the boys were great. They each had such unique personalities and worked so well together.

Also, Valentino is too good for this w ...more

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Apr 21, 2020 Cinda rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy, ya, feminist

This is an absolute jewel of a book, a twisty, treacherous story that will keep you turning pages until the end. Tamora Pierce fans--come runnin! You won't be disappointed. ...more

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Feb 28, 2020 h o l l i s rated it liked it

Shelves: a-smattering-of-lols, ebook, finished-in-february-2020, arc, family-focused, grief-or-loss, mental-health-rep, not-all-the-feels-but-some, ya, seriously-kick-ass-lady-protag

Set in The Girl of Fire and Thorns series, this book takes place eight (ish?) years after THE BITTER KINGDOM and focuses not only on Red, a mixed race girl the protagonist from the main series had adopted, but also on the tensions in a world post-major conflict between two warring peoples.

I loved being back in this world, getting small glimpses of the much beloved dynamic between one of my favourite couples, and I did enjoy Red.. mostly. This book flashes between past and present perspectives, w Set in The Girl of Fire and Thorns series, this book takes place eight (ish?) years after THE BITTER KINGDOM and focuses not only on Red, a mixed race girl the protagonist from the main series had adopted, but also on the tensions in a world post-major conflict between two warring peoples.

I loved being back in this world, getting small glimpses of the much beloved dynamic between one of my favourite couples, and I did enjoy Red.. mostly. This book flashes between past and present perspectives, we see what Red endured before meeting Elisa, and all the trauma she experienced and now knowingly carries and also unknowingly carries, and how she's coping. She's not quite welcome as the Empress' heir, both because of prejudice and conspiracy, and so she finds a different way to prove herself and also discover her true self — all while also challenging so much of the tradition and stereotyping built into this society.

I'll admit I wasn't really interested in the flashback POV chapters. Maybe because it felt a little rehashed (we know some of Red's life pre-on page meeting but obviously not to quite this extent) but also it kept pulling me away from the more exciting training montages and dialogue in the present day where Red was, like, fighting the patriarchy.

"I've never trained a girl before."
"You'll find it uncannily similar to training any other person."

That said, I wasn't always super into the present day stuff, either. There are some big high stakes moments near the end, a lot of which is built up along the way to that point, but things do come to a head pretty quick, and then its all over. I got the happy feels and excitement and joy at the end, don't get me wrong, but this story somehow felt both a little dragged out and also over too fast. A standalone in an existing universe where we previously had a trilogy.. I mean, that's tough. But there is an eclectic mix of new faces amongst the familiar, some good banter, and the one thing you can always depend on from this author is a fabulous ensemble cast.

So, I had almost rounded up because bias and nostalgia (infact, after finishing, I had rated this a four with a "but it's really a three" caveat but as I drifted off to sleep that night.. I knew I shouldn't have, so, here I am fixing the situation slightly) but ultimately I think where I've put it is true to the story itself. But. I loved being back with these characters, seeing some grown up, grown into their own, and others thrive despite the history and tragedies, not to mention traitor'ing (it's a word), that predate them. But is it perfect? No. But I don't think most fans will care and, best of all, I hope it inspires those who haven't yet read The Girl of Fire and Thorns series to pick it up. Because it's excellent.

3.5 stars

** I received an ARC from Edelweiss and the publisher (thank you!) in exchange for an honest review. **

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May 05, 2019 Pie marked it as to-read

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Mar 21, 2020 Jodi Meadows rated it it was amazing

Loved it.

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Mar 27, 2020 laurel [the suspected bibliophile] rated it it was amazing

Shelves: 2020-read, favorites, ya-books, arcs, fantasy

Trigger Warning: Assault, Child Abuse, PTSD, racism

Red Sparkle Stone is an orphan, a prior slave and a foundling, and is about to be adopted into the royal family. When her adoption is canceled at the very last minute, Red is thrown into a mix of feelings—of rejection, of turmoil, of the idea that her found family doesn't love or want her, and is determined to regain the trust of her country so she can return to her family. So she decides to join the Royal Guard—the only woman to make the attemp ...more

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Jan 02, 2021 Niki Hawkes - The Obsessive Bookseller rated it liked it · review of another edition

[2.5/5 stars] The first book in the Fire and Thorns series happens to be my favorite YA book of all time. The first two Goldseer books also rank high up on the list. I love Carson’s writing, characters, and knack for storytelling. That said, I enjoyed Empire of Dreams (which felt more like a spin-off than a continuation – it follows a side character), but not quite as much as I thought I would.

The basic premise is a girl joining the royal military in the hopes of proving her worth. It offers a b [2.5/5 stars] The first book in the Fire and Thorns series happens to be my favorite YA book of all time. The first two Goldseer books also rank high up on the list. I love Carson’s writing, characters, and knack for storytelling. That said, I enjoyed Empire of Dreams (which felt more like a spin-off than a continuation – it follows a side character), but not quite as much as I thought I would.

The basic premise is a girl joining the royal military in the hopes of proving her worth. It offers a bunch of flashbacks to her rough childhood, which gave her a lot more depth than we got in the trilogy – I particularly enjoyed those passages. It balanced that with a plethora of interesting training sessions. I complain a lot about YA books that include training but don’t take time to let the reader experience any of it. This novel had sparing and practicing in abundance, which was the highlight of the novel for me.

Now, I realize the book is a YA and not meant to really be compared to robust adult fantasy novels, but even taking that in consideration, I thought the military training and Red’s relationships with the other initiates was rather juvenile. There was some good “us vs. them” dynamics at first, but then all the other characters got SUPER emotionally supportive and communicative about their feelings. It made the recruits come across much younger than they were. I think the story could’ve benefitted from a bit more grit. However (a big however), that sort of cooperation and teamwork wasn’t unpleasant to read about. It’s a feel-good story for sure, and I’m fighting some guilt at criticizing it for something I should probably be appreciating it for. So I’m splitting the difference by celebrating the expanded training sequences with the disclaimer that they’re not robust, they’re just fun.

I listen to a lot of audiobooks. I have a lot of patience for narrators in general and can usually work past ones I’m not particularly enjoying (heck, I even tolerate text to speech on my Kindle app). I’m sorry to say that the narrator for this book was one of my least favorite I’ve ever listened too. Literally every line and piece of dialogue was delivered with this sharp conviction that pierced my ears. There were no dynamics or variety in the performance, so the entire book was an endless experience of being snapped at. It was really unpleasant. I half wonder if my rating would’ve been higher had I physically read the whole thing rather than just part of it.

Recommendations: this is a YA fantasy for fans of the Fire and Thorns series. I don’t think it added anything to the experience as a whole, but I do think it was a lot of fun. Skip the audiobook for this one.

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Aug 03, 2020 Robin (Bridge Four) rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: audio-challenge-2020, fantastic-fantasy, no-kissy-kissy, books-of-my-heart, chick-i-want-to-hang-out-with, ya, witches-warlocks-and-magic, 4-5-stars, 2020-reads

This review was originally posted on Books of My Heart

The Girl of Fire and Thorns series was originally a trilogy but the fans really wanted to know what became of Red Sparklestone and check in on Elisa and Hector to see how they are doing. I know I also really wanted to know as well, since Hector is one of my favorite male love interests in YA and I think the entire series is underrated, meaning I was totally onboard for another story set in this world.

Red, a former slave and half This review was originally posted on Books of My Heart

The Girl of Fire and Thorns series was originally a trilogy but the fans really wanted to know what became of Red Sparklestone and check in on Elisa and Hector to see how they are doing. I know I also really wanted to know as well, since Hector is one of my favorite male love interests in YA and I think the entire series is underrated, meaning I was totally onboard for another story set in this world.

Red, a former slave and half Invierne, has been an unofficial part of Hector and Elisa’s family for years now. It was all about to become completely official when they adopted her. However, someone or someones doesn’t want the adoption to happen and blocked it at the last minute. There is still a lot of anger over the war with the Inviernos and many do not like the treaties and trade Elisa is trying to build with them. After the adoption is blocked, Red must find a new path, maybe one that fits her even better. She becomes the first female recruit in the Royal Guard.

When Elisa and Hector leave the city to visit Alodia and Storm, it becomes clear that the 'someones' who blocked the adoption might have other plans as well and it is up to Red, Rosario and a few recruits to find out who is behind it and thwart their plans. Since I’d read the initial series, I had a good idea of who was behind it but it was still great to read how things played out.

I enjoyed making my way back through this world again. Rosario has grown into a great and solid young man and seeing the life and family Elisa and Hector have made was so sweet. Red is a fun character to follow and I really liked how she became part of the team and eventually figured out how to win over the rest of the recruits.

Since Hector and Elisa had to leave to make this story possible, I missed seeing more of them but Red, Iván and Rosario did a great job carrying the story.

“The list of things that were a better father to you than King Alejandro is very long. Like the plague, which at least shows up once in a while.”
I round on Iván, ready to lay into him, but I hear Rosario chuckle.
“And the list of things less traitorous than your father is equally long,” Rosario says. “Like a mosquito, which will stab you in the back only once.”

I do wonder if The Empire of Dreams will be the final final book in the series or if we will get more time with Red and her new guard in the future. I like all the new friends and frenemy that Red has made and would enjoy future stories involving them. While this is the beginning of a new set of characters' story line, I think you need to have read all the prior books to really enjoy it properly.

Narration:
Kyla Garcia is a new narrator to this series. Her voice fits the younger Red and Rosario well and I like how she presented the story. I listened to this at my normal 1.5x speed.

Listen to a clip:https://soundcloud.com/harperaudio_us... ...more

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Mar 16, 2020 Alexa rated it really liked it

Shelves: flights-of-fantasy-2020, read-in-2020, friends-with-arcs

So enjoyable! It was fun to make a return to this world and these characters, but to see it in a whole new light. And the best part? This plot called to mind stories a la Tamora Pierce, which I personally love and enjoy. Definitely a fun addition to this author’s work (and has me wanting to revisit the original trilogy)!

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Sep 02, 2020 Sahitya rated it really liked it

Shelves: politics-feminism-religion, fantasy-and-scifi, romance-and-or-relationships, young-adult, 2020-read

Definitely more of a 3.5.

I was so so excited when this book was announced because Girl of Fire and Thorns is one of my favorite YA trilogies from the earliest days of my blogging and I have a lot of nostalgia associated with it. But I did lose track of it among my numerous ARCs, other new releases and a reading slump, but I’m glad that I finally got around to it.

I can’t tell you how happy I was to be back in this world. The author does mention in an interview that this can be read as a standal Definitely more of a 3.5.

I was so so excited when this book was announced because Girl of Fire and Thorns is one of my favorite YA trilogies from the earliest days of my blogging and I have a lot of nostalgia associated with it. But I did lose track of it among my numerous ARCs, other new releases and a reading slump, but I’m glad that I finally got around to it.

I can’t tell you how happy I was to be back in this world. The author does mention in an interview that this can be read as a standalone but I truly can’t comment on that, because my experience is completely tied up in the knowledge I come with while starting the book. It’s been almost three years, but I immediately felt familiar and could recollect all the important things that had happened in the trilogy as well as the important characters, so that I dove head first into this new story. I thought the author did a great job showing us how much and how little the world/court has changed over the years, giving us a sense of what happens after a rebellion ends and the rulers take major decisions.

Maybe because this is a standalone, I felt like it had lesser stakes (though it does get serious eventually) and that’s why it didn’t give me enough tension filled moments which I naturally expected. Most of the plot is the training of the Royal Guard which has some great scenes, but it felt very much like a slice of life story rather than a fantasy for a huge part of it. We also get two different timelines, with the past timeline recounting the history of the main character before we met her in The Bitter Kingdom, and while it was very helpful in giving us a better understanding of the character, I felt that it really created a disconnect and took attention away from the much more interesting present timeline.

I only remember Red as the little girl Elisa saved in the finale, and it was exciting to see more of her story. She has a lot of trauma from her childhood and I appreciated knowing that the ptsd representation in the book is modeled after the author’s own personal experiences. Red’s startle reflex and her trust issues are a major part of her as a person and they are due to her past, but she is also protective of those she loves and is such a genuine human being who wants to do good. Even when she is competing with the other recruits for her position in the Guard, she treats everyone well despite getting pushback and even helps them all in their training because she believes in them. I really liked her as a character and I thought the author depicted the nuances of her having a certain amount of privilege while also being surrounded by people who are prejudiced against her, in a very interesting manner.

I think the best part of the book are the various relationships Red has or forms with the various side characters. Though we get most amount of page time with Ivan, I also really loved the characters of Aldo, Pedrón, the Arturos, Itzal, Valentino and many of the other recruits. The trust they all develop between each other is beautiful to watch and its only because of them that the very easy and rushed climax even works, though not entirely convincingly. And it was such a joy to meet my favorite couple Elisa and Hector again along with the glimpses we get of Mara and Rosario.

I felt that the themes the author dealt with in this book were very thoughtful. The main one is obviously about a woman trying to make it in an all male profession, and it comes with the usual comments about a beautiful woman being a distraction or not being strong enough to be a guard and complete the training. But through Red, we see how competence will be rewarded eventually but the author also ensures that Red stands her ground most of the times, and doesn’t let anyone get away with making misogynistic and sexist comments. The other main theme is trust - how much trust and respect plays a main role when a group of people have to work together, despite their class differences or other prejudices.

But the one that really left an impression on me was about countries and treaties and people - how the leaders of enemy countries might come to a compromise for the sake of the betterment of their people, but it’s not easy to change the minds of the people whose minds are full of prejudice against each other. And that sometimes, the leaders just have to model inclusive behavior and keep at it, with the hope that people will realize the futility of being at odds in the long term.

To conclude, I think this is a fun addition to the original trilogy but I definitely enjoyed it more because of my love for the world. It has good characters and great friendships and I’m actually happy that none turned into a romance. You should definitely check it out if you love Girl of Fire and Thorns like me, and if you haven’t read the trilogy, please pick it up immediately because it’s absolutely wonderful. ...more

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May 09, 2020 Megan rated it liked it · review of another edition

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Dec 03, 2019 Lucia marked it as dnf

Shelves: ya, fantasy

DNF

I adored initial Fire and Thorns trilogy (read my spoiler free series review here) but unfortunately this spin-off didn't have the same drive and appeal for me. Simply said, storyline wasn't very engaging. It all comes down to the fact that I couldn't connect with Red (MC) and therefore found her story boring.

All that aside, Mrs. Carson really can write and this is nicely written YA fantasy novel that will definitely find its audience. It just wasnt't for me.

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Sep 11, 2019 Nia •ShadesOfPaper• rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: 2020-arcs, high-fantasy, series-to-finish, mythology, 2020-releases, young-adult, books-read-in-2020, fantasy, arcs, spin-off

You can find this review on my blog Shades of Paper.

The girl wanted to be a bird. She would spread her wings and fly far away. It would be effortless, so different from this icy trudging.”

Okay, I admit I was so excited about this book. Despite having only read the first installment in her original series, I wanted to pick it up because I believed this book was a spin-off of said series and you didn’t need to read the OG Fire and Thorns trilogy, but after falling completely in love w ...more

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Jun 18, 2019 julianna ➹ marked it as to-read · review of another edition

Shelves: unreleased, semi-review

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Dec 15, 2019 Peace rated it it was amazing

Full review coming soon, but I LOVED it.

(I got an e-galley from EpicReads Insiders)

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Feb 03, 2020 Sara Grochowski rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: family, young-adult, harper, fantasy, relationships, ptsd, adoption, feminism, companion-novel, april-2020

It's was so wonderful to be back in this world! As much as I loved the romance between Elisa and Hector in the original series, it was refreshing to discover that Red, now 17-years old, wouldn't have any romantic entanglements in this standalone companion. Instead she had really solid, nuanced friendships with the men in the story, including Hector and Rosario, who long-time Carson fans will remember from the original series, and her fellow Royal Guard recruits. I can't wait to go back and rerea ...more

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Oct 20, 2019 Lexie rated it it was amazing

Elisa's story holds a special place in my heart. That trilogy (and short stories) are among my favorite fantasies as they combined everything I love about fantasy into one series.

So yes of course I was excited for this book. A revisit to characters of my heart? A broadening of a world I adore? Sign me up!

What I didn't expect was a novel that while its a wonderful sequel to Elisa's adventures is almost perfect on its own.

I won't deny that having some knowledge of the world didn't help me, nor tha ...more

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Jun 25, 2020 Lauren rated it really liked it

I was so excited to jump back into the world of Rae Carson’s, “Girl of Fire and Thorns” world. This new standalone follows Red, no longer young orphan she used to be when we last left her. She has grown into her own and is done being told what her future will be. She decides to enlist in the Royal Guard where she believes she can make something of herself.

Being a tomboy myself I really loved all the training and physical obstacles that Red had to tackle being the only woman in the first year gua ...more

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May 09, 2020 Ishi Time rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy

Come watch our liveshow for this book!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0H-Z...

I thought this was a cute ending to the Fire and Thorns series as a whole. I know it's a standalone, but it was good to know where all the characters end up. I loved Rosario and Ivan, but all the other boys from the royal guard trainees seemed pretty interchangeable. Also a character that was supposed to have died in the first Fire and Thorns books shows up?? So I was confused about that.

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Apr 14, 2020 Danielle (Love at First Page) rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: no-romance, own-physical-book, genre-young-adult, fantasy-scifi-paranormal, read-in-2020

I really, really liked, among other things, that the main character was an atheist. We don’t see that enough in YA. Surprisingly this doesn’t have any romance, but it’s a quick and entertaining read, reminding me somewhat of a (less clever) Megan Whalen Turner book. Plus: HECTOR.

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Jul 01, 2020 byeol rated it really liked it

3.75 Stars

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Jun 08, 2020 Christa rated it it was amazing

Shelves: 2020, highly-anticipated, exceeds-expectations, fantasy, owned, royalty, ya, favorite-series, favorites-2020, part-of-a-series

6/8/20 on sale for $2.99

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Jun 07, 2020 Samantha Fondriest rated it liked it · review of another edition

3.5 - Did I love returning to this world and seeing characters I loved again? Absolutely. Was I still a smidge disappointed? Unfortunately. It just didn’t quite live up to the excellence of the original trilogy. It felt younger, which isn’t necessarily bad, but just wasn’t what I was expecting from a return to this world.

I liked the “now” chapters quite a bit more than the “then” chapters, though I understand the importance of including flashbacks to Red’s childhood trauma and how that still inf ...more

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May 16, 2020 Forever Young Adult added it · review of another edition

Shelves: reviewed-by-stephanie, fantasy

Graded By: Stephanie
Cover Story: Montell Jordan
BFF Charm: Heck Yes!
Swoonworthy Scale: 1
Talky Talk: Continuation
Bonus Factors: Feminism, Old Friends
Relationship Status: Family Reunion

Read the full book report here. ...more

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Aug 03, 2020 Melissa added it

Shelves: didn-t-finish, girl-adventure-magic

It was good I just didn't want a book like this. Not sure if there is any romance.......book killer sadly ...more

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Apr 19, 2020 Sandra (LadyGrey Reads) rated it really liked it

Shelves: need-reviews, 2020-reads, series-that-i-have-finished, audio-books

review coming soon

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May 07, 2020 Stephanie rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: reviewed-for-fya, fantasy

I don't usually need continuation books from series I've loved and let go, but since this was about an adjacent character (so lower chance of messing up the original characters' HEA), and I just really missed Elisa and Hector, I took a chance. And it was worth it! Hello, old friends and new! Check out my full review over at Forever Young Adult.

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May 09, 2020 ♥️nicole rated it it was ok · review of another edition

*2.5 STARS*

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Sep 06, 2020 Selena (Life of a Random) rated it really liked it

I jumped into this book without researching any background so I guess this is tied into a trilogy but still a stand alone.

I read this book in a few hours it was THAT good. I love the trope of a girl being thrown into a group of only guys and wooping their *sses but also making them fall in love with her both romantically and platonically. *heart eyes*

Not only was there espionage and fighting scenes, but there was political sabotage and scheming. And a girl LIVES for it.

I also really appreciate ...more

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Apr 12, 2020 Sammm rated it it was amazing

Shelves: exceeds-expectations, lgbtq, review-due-in-time

5 for 4.5~4.99. I am honestly really surprised that Carson isn't like a lot of authors out there, who'd release multiple spin-off books after the conclusion of their original series. I know a lot of people don't like it when authors do that, thinking they are just milking the original series in whatever way they can, but to fans, sometimes the world they've created are just so lovable that you don't want to part away from. And... yeah, I'm surprised because I could so see many books after this. ...more

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Rae Carson was born in 1973 in California and now lives in Arizona. She developed an enthusiasm for storytelling in her earliest childhood. She studied social sciences and worked in various industries after graduating from university before she realized her dream and became a writer. The Girl of Fire and Thorns is her debut novel.

In her own words, she "write[s] books about teens who must do brave ...more