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Smoke and Iron

(The Great Library #4)

Rachel Caine (Goodreads Author)

4.21 · Rating details · 5,281 ratings · 694 reviews

To save the Great Library, the unforgettable characters from Ink and Bone, Paper and Fire, and Ash and Quill put themselves in danger in the next thrilling adventure in the New York Times bestselling series.

The opening moves of a deadly game have begun. Jess Brightwell has put himself in direct peril, with only his wits and skill to aid him in a game of cat and mouse with ...more

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Jun 28, 2018 C.G. Drews rated it it was amazing

Shelves: dystopian, 5-star, young-adult, read-2018

So I really absolutely adore this series and this was another excellent one. Also my current emotional state is:

scREEEAMMMINGGG
sCREEEaaamINgggGGGGGGG
SCREEEEEEEEEAMINGgggggg

Which is nice. Wholesome. Everything is fine.

Also before we go on, I had the epic honour of being on the blog tour! So stop by here if you want a snippet of the book and some epic pictures.!! 😏

Now this is going to come as a shock to you but…I FREAKING LOVED THIS BOOK.
The Great Library series is just one of my favourites (the c ...more

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Jul 05, 2018 may ➹ rated it liked it

Shelves: read-2018, pov-female, 3-and-a-half-star, arc, rep-bipoc-asian, boring, diverse, buddy-reads, fantasy, disappointing

3.5 stars

Either I’m getting more critical or this series is lowering in quality just slightly?

This book is the fourth installment in the Great Library series, which is a fantasy series I think is EXTREMELY underrated and has been so much fun to follow. It’s got historical yet dystopian vibes, lots of diversity, and a cast of characters you get attached to easily.

But with each new installment I read, I get a little less engrossed in the series? It might be because it’s quite long; there are five ...more

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Jun 22, 2018 Carrie rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: netgalley

Yes folks it’s that time of year again, time for my annual rant and rave for Rachel Caine’s young adult fantasy The Great Library series. For the past four years I have raved about how much I just love this series but I’ve also had to rant away that yet again I now have yet another year to wait until the next book and oh what a long wait it will be. Last year’s rant was a bit more memorable since I’d thought the series was going to be a trilogy but found out we had another cliffhanger and had be Yes folks it’s that time of year again, time for my annual rant and rave for Rachel Caine’s young adult fantasy The Great Library series. For the past four years I have raved about how much I just love this series but I’ve also had to rant away that yet again I now have yet another year to wait until the next book and oh what a long wait it will be. Last year’s rant was a bit more memorable since I’d thought the series was going to be a trilogy but found out we had another cliffhanger and had been expanded to five books. I’m a little calmer this year after book four but still….. such a long wait!

So…. I suppose I should be actually reviewing the book by now, huh? Honestly there’s not much to say at this point except what are you waiting for?? Read this series!! Ok, ok, I suppose I should add a little more info. The series is one that definitely needs to be enjoyed from the beginning as it continues onward from book to book and one would be lost jumping into the middle. The world in the books revolves around The Great Library that controls the books of the world and uses alchemy to distribute the books. Those working for the library track down anyone with any in their possession and confiscate the materials since ownership of books is expressly forbidden and anyone violating this law could even be sentenced to death.

Jess Brightwell is our lead character who came from a family that was involved in the black market for books. Jess had been raised to be a runner, delivering the books to those willing to pay the price and risk ownership but then Jess had been sent to the library by his father to become a spy from the inside. He got involved in the training only to find himself mixed up in the secrets of the library and with the group of friends he had met they began their battle against the Archivist Magister of the Great Library.

The world Rachel Caine created at the beginning of this story was a wonderful one filled with magic and so much more. But as the books have gone on things have been expanded more and more and with each book I’m still amazed at the story and the progress the characters make. At this point in the series the characters have been separated giving another layer as the point of view changes with the action going on in each location which gave it a faster feel than the last which I’d thought had slowed a little. After finishing this round though I am already making plans for next year to reread from the beginning to enjoy all of the books together so as you can guess I would definitely recommend to any fantasy fans out there to check out The Great Library series!

I received an advance copy from the publisher via NetGalley.

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Feb 02, 2018 Helena of Eretz ✰ rated it it was amazing

Shelves: young-adult, hardback, magical-libraries, best-of-2018, favourites

4 books in and I’m still head-over-heels for this series. I absolutely adore it! Having said that, Rachel Caine has consistently been able to wreck me at the end of each instalment…and this one is no exception. I AM DISTRAUGHT!!! I can’t even…AGHHH!

This book picked up right after the cliffhanger in Ash and Quill, and it was full-speed ahead for the duration of the novel. There are so many plots, deceptions, manipulations, and conspiracies as our favourite characters struggle to get the upper-han ...more

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Apr 21, 2020 Maria V. Snyder rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

I'm loving this series! If you haven't read this series yet, start with Ink and Bone and make sure you have all the rest of the books, 'cause you're going to want to keep reading. I'm worried about the last book, tho! I don't want anything to happen to the characters. ...more

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Jun 13, 2018 Steven rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: netgalley-or-publisher, historical-fiction, ya, fantasy, read-in-2018

Thanks to Netgalley and Berkley for providing me with a copy in exchange for an honest review!

This might be the best yet in the series, and I think it was definitely my favorite of the series so far. We come off of the cliffhanger of the next book with everyone in limbo, and the author uses her mighty pen to move and shift all of our players like pieces on a chess board, forcing them towards the huge clash that is destined to happen soon.

We get to read POVs from multiple characters in this one. ...more

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Jul 03, 2018 Phrynne rated it really liked it

This series continues to improve and Smoke and Iron was for me a fast, action packed read.

A huge amount happened in the course of this story and relationships faltered and changed. At the start of the series I did not feel invested in any of the characters but that has changed totally. You have to be careful who you become attached to though because the author is not scared of killing
off quite prominent people!

Smoke and Iron finishes in a very open ended way with major events still hanging in ...more

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Apr 14, 2018 Evgnossia O'Hara marked it as to-read · review of another edition

I just saw on authors instagram page that the 4th book in the Great Library Series comes out on 3rd July, 2018!!! I thought it would be a trilogy but the excitement is real 😍

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Jan 11, 2018 Nicole Chinnici rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: 2018, read-for-review, genre-adventure, genre-science-fiction, genre-fantasy, genre-young-adult

I have been quite impatiently waiting for Smoke and Iron since finishing Ash and Quill over a year ago. And the wait was well worth it!

I’m going to keep this short and sweet to avoid spoilers for any books in this series. This particular installment was highly entertaining, with a fast paced plot that moved along at a nice clip from start to finish. It alternated between each character’s perspective every few chapters, which not only helped to pull the story tight from all angles, but also added ...more

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Jan 05, 2021 Zoraida rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

This book fucking shook me. I haven't read a 4th book in a series in years. And definitely not one where the books get BETTER as you go along.

Rachel, you are so missed. ...more

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Jul 04, 2018 Melindam rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: steampunk, fantasy-by-female-authors, books-and-or-libraries

Loved this new instalment to The Great Library series and as always it left me wanting to read the next book right away.

This series is simply fascinating. Rachel Caine really knows how to spin a yarn and her characters are both delightfully intriguing and imperfect.

More thoughts & feels after the summer holidays.

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Sep 01, 2018 Stepheny rated it liked it

Shelves: coming-of-age, badd-ass-fantasy, dystopians, ya, like-a-meth-addiction, favorite-series

The Great Library Series continues. Jess and his twin brother have swapped roles in an attempt to save those they care about most. They’re merely pawns in a giant chess game that they havent even begun to understand. In a world where the written word could very well mean a death sentence, Jess and his band of outcasts have challenged the authority of the Library by manufacturing a printing press.

Smoke and Iron proved to be my least favorite so far in the series. While I still enjoy the books, I The Great Library Series continues. Jess and his twin brother have swapped roles in an attempt to save those they care about most. They’re merely pawns in a giant chess game that they havent even begun to understand. In a world where the written word could very well mean a death sentence, Jess and his band of outcasts have challenged the authority of the Library by manufacturing a printing press.

Smoke and Iron proved to be my least favorite so far in the series. While I still enjoy the books, I think the author lost something along the way. I still adore the characters. I still enjoy the story being told. I am not sure what exactly is missing, but I have found my interest steadily decreasing as the series continues. When I read the first one I was completely enraptured with it. I enjoyed a majority of the second one. And the third one I had to start twice before I finished it. And now… there’s this one.

Part of my detachment with this one, I think, is that there are multiple POV’s now. Instead of sticking with the POV’s that have been telling the story up until this point, we now have several new ones. I know that sometimes stories being told from different perspectives adds a layer of suspense and mystery. In this book, I think it muddled the storyline and distracted from the overall story being told. I thnk it took me out of the story because I had to continually remember who I was reading. And on top of that, some of the characters sounded the same.

Some authors have the voice of several characters in their heads and are able to pull that off in a book. I think in this instance it was just too much of a good thing. Yes, the group was scattered, but that doesn’t mean we need a POV chapter from every single character in the book. Especially when their voices all sound the same. The only exception was Khalilia. I think the addition of her POV was excellent. In fact, the whole series might have been better based from her perspective rather than Jess’. I know, it sounds blaphemous to those who follow this series… but it’s just how I feel.

I will of course be continuing on. I have to see how this all plays out! I really hope that she finds the thread of this story again though and gets it back to what it was starting out. As of right now there are far too many side stories going on, too many perspectives and too many objectives. But, it’s still a fast-paced adventure. It’s a wild ride that travels through this awesome dystopian world that has captivated my heart. There are so many more things that I love in this series compared to my complaints and that is why I’ll be sticking with it. ...more

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Jan 18, 2020 Alaina rated it really liked it

Shelves: 2020-ng, fantasy, audiobook, fiction

OMG - THIS SERIES!

Smoke and Iron was equally amazing at the previous books within this series. So glad that it started off right where the third book ended. If it didn't, then I have no idea what I would be writing about right now because I most definitely would've been confused. Plus, a lot happened in this book - just like all it's previous books in this series. So much happened in this thing, that my mind is still trying to wrap it all together into a bow.

I love certain characters still BUT I ...more

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Jul 14, 2018 Robin (Bridge Four) rated it really liked it

Shelves: 2018-reads, o-captain-my-captain, awesome-audio, ya, uf-pnr, bb-b-2018, 4-5-stars

Information is power, I’m a firm believe in that. The Great Library is a world where knowledge is held by a system, in this case The Great Library in Alexandria, and they chose what information is acceptable for the world at large. Printed books on paper are considered contraband and if you are caught with one it could mean your life.

I’ve liked the premise of the series since Ink and Bone, however the series lost a little momentum for me with the next two books in the series. But, I think that w Information is power, I’m a firm believe in that. The Great Library is a world where knowledge is held by a system, in this case The Great Library in Alexandria, and they chose what information is acceptable for the world at large. Printed books on paper are considered contraband and if you are caught with one it could mean your life.

I’ve liked the premise of the series since Ink and Bone, however the series lost a little momentum for me with the next two books in the series. But, I think that we are back on track and I enjoyed Smoke and Iron possibly the most so far.

This is told from multiple PoVs at the characters are all scattered in different places. All are in great danger, just some a little more than others. I sometimes struggle when this is the case, waiting for characters to find each other again. But each separate story was so engaging that I didn’t have any issues with it.

I like that the women of this series are smart and strong all in their own ways. Khalila is smart and brave willing to try just about anything to save the version of the library she thinks it should be. I enjoyed how she found her way into being a leader of the team.

“You have the gift, you know.”
“What gift?”
“Silence,” he said. “You let people think. And yet, you also lead from silence. I’ve met a few like you.”

Morgan can be a little grating to me at times but she is just as brave and determined at Khalilia to save the Obscurests like her who have been locked away all their lives. It took great courage to go back into the Black Tower to try and destroy the Library from the inside. Even Glain, who seems like she is just a brute on the outside is a woman who is strong both in her convictions and fierce protection of her friends.

Wolfe and Santi are a favorite couple of mine. I like how their relationship gives just enough romance to this for me. Santi is a wonderful protector and I adore how fiercely he loves Wolfe. They are a couple for the ages.

As always there were some unexpected deaths and one hit a little harder than the others. This is not a safe world and I never expect everyone to make it out alive. At least not with power crazy tyrants running lose and automatons on the prowl.

One more book to go to wrap up the series and it is set up to be a doozy from the ending of this. So if you like libraries, automatons and a little bit of magic, this could be the series for you.
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Jul 06, 2018 Magdalena aka A Bookaholic Swede rated it really liked it

Shelves: read-2018

What would be like if the Great Library of Alexandria had never burned down? Would all the amazing knowledge that was stored there and now is gone have enriched the world? Just imagine what a different world we could live in today. That is what Rachel Caine has done with The Great Library series. She created a world where the library never burned down and is now a presence in every major city in the world, controlling knowledge. Through alchemy, the library can deliver any of the content in the ...more

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Feb 13, 2019 Suzanne rated it it was amazing

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Oh how I cannot wait until May for the final book! I absolutely love this series! It is fast moving with some amazing characters that readers cannot help but root for. The ending of this installment was crazy and a bit unpredictable. There is a heart wrenching moment at the end for readers. So ready for the final book now!

My quick and simple overall: cannot wait for May! 💓

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Jul 02, 2017 Anna's Herding Cats marked it as to-read · review of another edition

Oh my gosh! I thought this was just going to be a trilogy! The excitement! It's ridiculous! lol ...more

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Jun 18, 2018 ☕️Kimberly rated it it was amazing

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Smoke and Iron was suspenseful with nail-biting developments, new automations and great loss. We've got Jess, posing as Brendon, his twin, Morgan is back in the Dark Tower a place she swore she'd never return to and Wolfe being held prisoner in the dungeon. The rest of our crew is aboard a ship manned by Ani. All have a part to play in the game to undermine and remove the archivist from power. Ahhhh.... it was all so stressful!

The story moved from POV to POV, some Spoiler Free and Vague Thoughts

Smoke and Iron was suspenseful with nail-biting developments, new automations and great loss. We've got Jess, posing as Brendon, his twin, Morgan is back in the Dark Tower a place she swore she'd never return to and Wolfe being held prisoner in the dungeon. The rest of our crew is aboard a ship manned by Ani. All have a part to play in the game to undermine and remove the archivist from power. Ahhhh.... it was all so stressful!

The story moved from POV to POV, some Jess, some from Wolfe and others from Khalia. The ebb and flow keep me engaged. I tried to savior the story by setting it down and just digesting things for a day, but the last sixty percent I devoured in a single sitting.

Things I loved:

Wolfe and Santi's relationship. (swoon)
Dario who completely won me over.
Thomas the brave.
Khalia who continues to impress me. I see great things in her future.
Jess who is clever, foolish, and inspires his friends to greatness even as they want to kill him. LOL
When I close my eyes, these characters are the actors and actresses from the Harry Potter movies. Wolfe is Snape, Thomas is Neville, Dario is Malfoy, Jess is Harry, Morgan is Luna, and Khalia is Hermione. All have traits that from the beginning reminded me of Rowling's characters and while there are vast differences, I think readers will agree they come to care for these characters in much the same way.

Caine must have poured her soul into this installment. It had everything an epic fantasy needs. We saw fantastic battles, plot twists, and death. Now I've heard readers say this ended in a cliffhanger and while things are not completely resolved I felt differently. After a good cry, the ending left me satisfied and for once I didn't close the book while screaming.

If friendship, strong characters and epic world-building tickle your fancy I recommend you devour the Great Library series. The next and final book is yet to come. This review was originally posted at Caffeinated Reviewer ...more

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Mar 07, 2020 Ashley Daviau rated it it was amazing

This series just wows me more and more with each book. The world that Caine has created is just SO stunning and original, I’m instantly transported as soon as I start turning the pages. And I just can’t get enough of this world and these characters, I’d gladly read another 20 books about them! This installment is an absolutely crazy roller coaster ride, from start to finish it’s nonstop action. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, despairing that this band of characters that I’ve so grow ...more

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Jul 14, 2018 Lauren Stoolfire rated it it was amazing

Shelves: young-adult, fantasy, lgbtq

I received an ARC from NetGalley in exchange for an honest review.

Jess Brightwell and his allies are now in direct danger from the Archivist Magister and his supporters in the Great Library. The world is about to catch fire in all out rebellion and printed words are the spark to ignite the blaze. They'll have to use everything they've got if they want any chance of surviving this fight. It's down to the smugglers, thieves, and Scholars to save all that's still good about the library.

Smoke and Bo I received an ARC from NetGalley in exchange for an honest review.

Jess Brightwell and his allies are now in direct danger from the Archivist Magister and his supporters in the Great Library. The world is about to catch fire in all out rebellion and printed words are the spark to ignite the blaze. They'll have to use everything they've got if they want any chance of surviving this fight. It's down to the smugglers, thieves, and Scholars to save all that's still good about the library.

Smoke and Bone by Rachel Caine is the fourth installment of The Great Library series which has quickly become one of my all time favorite series. I know I've said this with pretty much every subsequent volume, but the series just manages to get better and better and this one is no exception! The stakes haven't been higher than they are here. I love the vivid world that the author has created, no matter how brutal it is to our favorite characters. I love her take on this alternate very near future, no matter how terrifying it is in terms of censorship, and that we've had the opportunity to travel and see that world from everywhere to London, Oxford, Alexandria, and Philadelphia. Here a great deal of the action is back in the city of the Great Library's headquarters - their return trip is according to plan but it's still heartbreaking for the characters who weren't let in on that plan.

As fantastic as Caine's world-building has been throughout this series, our diverse core cast of characters are some of the best I've had the opportunity to spend time with. I'm so invested in Jess, Khalila, Morgan, Glain, Dario, Thomas, Wolfe, Santi, and even Brendan. I love them all, but I have to admit that Wolfe and Santi are my two favorites. If anything happens to either of them, I won't know what to do. Maybe it's a sign that I'm getting older, but they've been my favorite characters since I started this series. Anyway, this time around several of our main cast have POV chapters. I was kind of worried about that element, but to be honest it's a great addition since Jess and the others are split up for a chunk of the story. Like I said before, the stakes are sky high and everyone is risking their lives, so you can imagine just how stressful it is to see my favorites in such danger. No one is safe, no one.

Overall, Smoke and Iron (The Great Library #4) by Rachel Caine is another brilliant installment of one of the most bookish, inventive, and addictive YA fantasy series currently out there. This story is marvelous and I didn't want to put it down, but honestly I was so stressed out while reading it because I couldn't be sure that all of my favorites would survive the oncoming war. I was truly worried bout these characters which is a fantastic testament to Caine's top-notch storytelling abilities and talent at creating diverse and realistic characters that feel as if they could walk right off the page. I know my review hasn't done the novel justice, but I can't recommend it enough. Seriously, I don't know how I'll cope until the final book is released next year - or after it's all over either.

Thanks again, NetGalley! ...more

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Sep 02, 2018 Iris rated it it was amazing

Shelves: fantasy, emotional-pain, fantasy-sci-fi-or-something-similar, impossible-to-put-down, read-in-2019, reread-2019, dystopian, my-favourites-ish, dark-and-stabby, 5-stars

AJHHGFSGFHJGGHFGDF TOO MANY FEELINGS. I AM NOT OKAY. THE PAIN. THE PAAAAIN. Also I need the next book NOW.

***First Read Review***

This book was utterly fantastic! It was fast paced and spectacular and AHHHHHHHH!!! I absolutely ADORE these characters, and I love this series, and AHHHHHH!!!! This book was one wild ride!

Okay but seriously, I am just complete trash for these characters, and I cannot be made speak about them sensibly! MY HEART!! I LOVE THEM!!!!

Sort of forget what happened in this ...more

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Aug 20, 2018 Andy rated it really liked it

Shelves: 2018-read

I still love this series! I'm kind of on the fence about whether or not everything could've been wrapped up in this volume, but I guess it will depend on what happens in the next book. I enjoyed the multiple perspectives, but at the end pretty much everyone had a perspective and that was kind of overkill.

Wolfe's perspective in this was probably the least useful. I think his could've easily been cut out so that Morgan's, Jess's and Khalila's perspectives could've been expanded. And it really pain ...more

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Mar 01, 2021 Justine rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: 2021-read, audiobook

4.5 stars

An absolutely excellent installment in The Great Library series. It's not an easy thing to consistently build momentum and complexity into a series, but Caine manages to deliver that here.

Escape from Philadelphia to the relative and short lived safety of England in Ash and Quill was a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. As Smoke and Iron opens the comrades find themselves scattered and facing danger and betrayal at every turn.

For the first time in the series we have the ...more

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Jul 23, 2018 Anne ✨ rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: young-adult, fantasy

There's a lot to like with this series, with its cool world building, diverse cast of characters, and plenty of action. But the series has been inconsistent too, a roller coaster ride alternating between high excitement and low boredom. For me, the first book was great (after a couple of hundred pages), the second book I struggled with, the third book was the best of them all, and now with this fourth book I struggled once again.

When the series is at its best is when the group of teens (Jess, M ...more

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Aug 11, 2020 Skip rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: e-books, fantasy

Picking up where Ash and Quill left off, Jess has returned to Alexandria, posing as his twin brother Brendan, returning Morgan to the Dark Tower (a place she vowed never to return) and Wolfe to the Library's dungeon. The rest of Jess's crew is aboard a ship manned by Anit, headed back to Alexandria at the behest of her father, Red Ibrahim. This fourth book is narrated by several POVs, as Jess tries to hide his true identity while finding allies (Dario's cousin, Spain's ambassador), Morgan avoidi ...more

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Apr 23, 2018 Beth rated it it was amazing

Shelves: netgalley, own, berkley-publishing, young-adult, kindle, teen, ya, fiction

Jess Brightwell comes from a long line of book smugglers. In a world where owning a book is illegal, Jess finds himself a spy in the Great Library He and his group of friends have pitted themselves against the library and archivists that control their world by controlling the access to knowledge (aka all the books).

Get ready for accelerating action when Caine pulls out all the stops in a this the fourth installment in The Great Library series. I found myself sucked into this world wishing it wou ...more

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Jul 08, 2018 Darinda rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: netgalley, ya-fantasy

The fourth book in The Great Library series by Rachel Caine. Jess and his friends are back, and trying to save the Great Library from evil and corruption.

This story is told using multiple points of view. That is different than in the earlier books, but it works for this one. The characters aren't all in the same location the entire time, and a lot is happening. It was nice to see all of the pieces coming together.

A creative and engaging fantasy world. A great series for fans of young adult fan ...more

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Jul 08, 2018 Belles rated it liked it

Shelves: z2018

Not a bad book, but I think I'm done with this series. It feels like it's just dragging out. ...more

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Jul 09, 2018 Jeff rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Love this series, can't wait for the final book. ...more

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Dec 27, 2020 The Goblin Times rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: stars-3, age-ya-and-middle-grade, magic, lgbtq, fav-cover, povs-multiple, magical-species, 2019-2020-reads, format-kindle, fav-main-characters

More of a 3.5/5

I still expected more to happen and the villain remains weak but things are in montion now and I'm here for it. The world-building is very good and we finally got more Brendan interaction. The characters also feel like they are settling in the personalities. I even starte liking Morgan a little.
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“You think you’re fighting for freedom. Freedom is dangerous. Give humankind freedom, and they will inevitably fall into chaos and war, religious zealotry and senseless violence. We have kept the peace. And we’ve done it by giving the people what they need, when they need it. Not what they want. Want is nothing but blind and selfish greed.” — 2 likes

“Women watched their allies as much as their enemies, if they wished to prevent trouble and keep their power. Especially if all of their subordinates and peers were men. Unfair, perhaps, but practical.” — 1 likes

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