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Outcasts of Order

(The Saga of Recluce #20)

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Modesitt continues his bestselling Saga of Recluce with his 20th book in the long-running series. Beltur began his journey in The Mongrel Mage and continues with Outcasts of Order, the next book of his story arc in the Saga of Recluce.

Beltur, an Order mage, discovers he possesses frightening powers not seen for hundreds of years. With his new abilities, he survives the w
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Kindle Edition, 640 pages
Published June 19th 2018 by Tor
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Jim
Jan 18, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Another excellent addition to the Recluce books, another one about Beltar. This follows The Mongrel Mage & will be followed by another book. From Modesitt's web site, "I’ve finished the sequel to Outcasts of Order, which will be the third and final book about Beltur [yes, I know it’s the first time I’ve ever written three books about a character in the Saga of Recluce]. It’s entitled The Mage-Fire War, and it’s scheduled for publication and release in July of next year...."

This is not an act
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Liviu
Book 2/3 of Beltur's adventures picks up where Mongrel Mage ended and continues in the same leisurely but very enjoyable style - Beltur goes back to being a patrol mage and making cupridium, courts Jessyla, is harassed by Cohndar and Waensyn etc until things come to an explosive climax in Elparta and as the blurb notes, Beltur's saga starts having similarities to Relyn's one (as we are reminded often when Beltur starts reading Relyn's memoirs at some point); and so it goes until by the end of th ...more
Joe Goins
Jul 01, 2018 rated it it was ok
Slow and boring.

This book is a long, dragging set up for the next book. The antagonists in the book are not even a slight challenge for the hero as he has already conquered far stronger foes in the first book. The author could have easily left out 90% of the book, took the rest and added it to the end of book one or to the beginning of the forth coming third volume.

I have read almost every book the author has written and this book ishis least praise worthy effort.
eyes.2c
Jun 21, 2018 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: netgalley, fantasy
Modesitt's "Recluse" continues to dazzle!

The story of Beltur, a black order Mage with healing powers, and the companion of his heart, the healer Jessyla continues. Their path is hazadous. As always the on going balance between chaos (white magic) and order (black magic) is reflected throughout the situations that Beltur finds himself in. (The humble yet noble hero, who will make the hard decisions when faced with them, is a recurring theme in Modesitt's works and Beltur is no exception).
Is Beltu
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Metaphorosis
Aug 16, 2018 rated it liked it
Shelves: reviewed, 2018-rev
3 stars, Metaphorosis Reviews

Summary:

Having fled one country already, the black-mage-trained-as-white Beltur is trying to make a place in Elparta for himself and his intended Jessyla. The local Council has other plans, and soon Beltur, Jessyla, and their friends are on the run once again.

Review:

"You're a black mage."
"Yes, but I was trained as white. I saw a lot of death and never knew enough about healing."
"A mage and healer. That's ... rare."
"There are a few. I'm just learning."
"Your healer wif
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Fredrick Danysh
Jul 21, 2018 rated it really liked it
Shelves: science-fiction
Beltur is seen as a threat by his fellow mages and as a tool to be used to enrich the trader council. When an attempt is made on his life, he and the healer Jessyla are forced to flee the city in the middle of winter. They are accompanied by Lhadoraak's seven year old daughter is developing into a white mage under Beltur's tutoring. While encountering many difficulties along the way they do make some important friendships. This is an enjoyable Recluce tale.
Christopher Knight
Jun 20, 2018 rated it it was ok
Awful. The story had no major plot points we just followed the main character as he traveled town to town as he was exiled for being too powerful and too proud. That and he killed some bandits and murdered at least one person who did nothing overt against him.
S.J. Higbee
Jun 23, 2018 rated it really liked it
This book does more or less pick up where the previous book left off, and we find Beltur recovering from the effects of his previous adventure and mourning the loss of one of his friends. He is a refugee in a new city, struggling to establish himself and earn as much as he can, as he wishes to settle down with a special someone. However, there are obstacles to his ambition…

If you are in the mood for a foot-to-the-floor adventure, where it is all kicking off at a breathless rate, then this one is
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James
Sep 04, 2018 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: fantasy, fiction
A decent, typical read for those familiar with Recluce, however it's the middle book of a trilogy that begins with The Mongrel Mage, so read that one first.
Kevin
Jul 31, 2018 rated it liked it
This is an overly long, dull book, with the usual issues of repetitive explanations and strange names that are confusingly similar. The only excitement comes from a few confrontations with thieves and a few men of power who confront the MC.
For the first 225 pages, absolutely nothing happens. Then the MCs flee to another land, where for a couple hundred more pages they set up house. To relieve the boredom, trouble shows up on their doorstep. This is seemingly resolved easily and quickly.
Then a tr
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Markus Carter
Jul 27, 2018 rated it did not like it
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Patrick St-Denis
May 09, 2018 rated it liked it
Modesitt fans got spoiled in 2017 with two different Recluce books published; Recluce Tales and The Mongrel Mage. And although the 19th installment in the saga, this one also the opening chapter in a much bigger tale, was a good read, it felt as though the novel was not as self-contained as other similar Recluce offerings. Back then, I believed that The Mongrel Mage was the beginning of a brand new story arc, the first book in what would likely be another two-volume sequence. But it turns out th ...more
Shane Jardine
Oct 02, 2018 rated it really liked it
I’ve been a fan of L.E. Modesitt Jr’s books ever since I stumbled across his Saga of Recluce series over 15 years ago, so I was pretty excited when I received my copy of the newest book in the mail a few weeks ago. Outcasts of Order by L.E. Modesitt Jr was a fun and fast-paced story full of enough action, adventure, and political intrigue to keep you on the edge of your seat and constantly guessing what’s going to happen next. I don’t know why I always insist on starting a new book when I get ho ...more
John Purvis
Jun 19, 2018 rated it it was amazing
"Outcasts of Order" eBook was published in 2018 (June) and was written by L. E. Modesitt Jr. (http://www.lemodesittjr.com). Mr. Modesitt has published nearly 80 novels. This is the twentieth novel in his "Saga of Recluse" series.

I received an ARC of this novel through https://www.netgalley.com in return for a fair and honest review. I categorize this novel as ‘PG’ because it contains scenes of Violence and a little Mature Language. The story is set in a world where magic is possible. This novel
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Nicholas
Jan 16, 2019 rated it really liked it
"Fear can unite people behind the most unsuitable of leaders, especially when that fear is strong and targeted at a common enemy, or those who are different, or sometimes both. When people are fearful, the last thing they want to hear is that their fears are unreasonable or unjustified."

In his recent Recluce books, Modesitt has included more direct commentary on current events, making them even more interesting a read. Corrupt leadership - and often particularly corrupt/selfish Traders - have al
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Paul Calhoun
Mar 19, 2019 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
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MM
Aug 16, 2018 rated it it was amazing
This is a beautifully written masterpiece of writing from one of the best there is. Does it sound like I am biased?

I so thoroughly enjoy good writing and Mr Modesitt does a fabulous job. It is not just the writing that is so enjoyable though. It is his ability to relay, the the main character's view, a uncommonly refreshing view of truth about people and their activities: "sometimes, when you try to avoid something too much, you end up drawing it to you." "when people are fearful, the last thin
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Barry Mulvany
Jul 26, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is one of the best Modesitt books I've read in a while. It is actually lighter on the action than in The Mongrel Mage but for some reason it clicked more for me. Like the previous 20(!) books there is a lot of day to day minutiae taking up the space but as always I find in both interesting and relaxing in some way. There is tension but honestly you always know that the protagonist will find some way around it.

I won't go into to the plot really except that to say that Beltur (and others) ba
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William Bentrim
Apr 01, 2019 rated it it was amazing
Outcasts of Order by L. E. Modesitt, Jr.
This will be the 31st Modesitt I have reviewed. I don’t doubt that I read some before I started by blog. I have to say I am never disappointed. This is another novel set in the Recluce environment. Beltur, identified as a mongrel, in the Mongrel Mage is the focus of this book. After serving his nation, perhaps too well, in the war, Beltur finds his success and strength engender fear and jealousy in his community. Beltur is forced to make a change.
Modesitt
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Henry Lazarus
Jul 04, 2018 rated it liked it
L. E. Modesitt, Jr is in the middle of his first trilogy set in the world of Recluse where mages manipulate order or chaos. The Mongrel Mage (paper) Beltar hopes to settle in Elparta which he helped to survive when he was conscripted in the previous book to fight off an invasion. He’s using his mage abilities to work with a coppersmith, Jorhan, to create a strong bronze that hasn’t been seen in a thousand years. He and Jorhan become Outcasts of Order (hard from Tor) when a rich trader has the ci ...more
Mark Muckerman
Jul 19, 2019 rated it it was ok
I think this one is every bit as good as it's predecessor, The Mongrel Mage. . . sadly that's still 2 stars.

I like Modesitt.
I love(d) Recluse.
I, like so many others, am saddened by the decline into formulaic, repetitive drivel that now comes out in the Saga of Recluse.

It's. Just. Not. Good.
Vanilla, pedantic, bad dialogue, lack of originality, implausible behaviors.

Sir, with love, admiration and respect for the vast and excellent body of work you've provided us across multiple creative genres, pl
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Don Parsons
Aug 12, 2018 rated it really liked it
Shelves: modesitt
Beltur's tale continues in this story of Recluce picking up after the battle that ended the last book. In it, we see the struggles he has fitting in and conforming to societal expectations - as someone with a lot of power to impact the world around him, many have expectations and he does himself as well.

Like most of Modesitt's works this isn't any sort of fast adventure - instead, it is a tale that tries to bring the world to life and examine many of the smaller issues as well. If you enjoy the
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David Darling
Jul 04, 2019 rated it it was ok
Well written, same as dozens of his other novels. With one exception... zero plot line in Outcasts of Order.

***spoilers below***

Beltur works away and is forced out of his town due to greedy Traders, kills when threatened. Moves to new town. Trouble follows. Moves to an area ruled by a Duchess. And is offered a whole town to rule, using his powers as needed. And the exciting part was when they were attacked moving from towns by brigands. Seriously, that's about it. Character development is huge..
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Margaret
What an entertaining and satisfying read!

I especially enjoyed that Beltur wanted to study healing (as he found himself as a strong mage called upon to heal people, whether he knew what he was doing or not). As a librarian, I appreciated it that he took the opportunity to read books on healing and then apprenticed at a healing hall (where he was able to observe and help out under the direction of a healer), even if he was learning without pay. (He considered the learning quite a fair trade for wh
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Eamonn Murphy
Mar 08, 2019 rated it liked it
Outcasts of Order is the follow-up book to The Mongrel Mage in the Saga of Recluce. The previous one showed Beltur fighting for his new home city of Elparta against the white mages of his former home of Fenard. Despite his significant contribution the traders who run Elparta are not grateful and team up with evil order mages to try and force him into economic slavery. He takes his girlfriend Jessyla and flees for the wintry realm of Axalt. Modesitt's slow style takes you day by day through the o ...more
Mary Soon Lee
Jun 20, 2018 rated it really liked it
Shelves: fantasy
This is the twentieth novel in Modesitt's fantasy series, "The Saga of Recluce," and the middle book in a trilogy centered on the young mage Beltur. I have derived a great deal of enjoyment from the series, and I find Beltur one of the most likable of the central characters, and, unsurprisingly, I thoroughly enjoyed this. I note, however, that it is less epic than the first book in the trilogy, and less epic than I am guessing the third book will be, as is often the fate of middle installments. ...more
Nick A.
Aug 05, 2018 rated it it was amazing
Love all the Recluce books. Each is a rote lesson on the values and difficulties of conservative meritocracies disguised as a fairy tale. I'd read these to my son if he had any interest in fiction. Unfortunately my little one is a history buff with no patience for a good fiction stoy. I can always hope he'll learn to like a variety of reading genres like his old man. This story was a lot more social justice focused than usual, really hammered away about how meritocracies neglect the poor, but I ...more
Lisa
Jun 24, 2018 rated it it was amazing
Still one of my favorite authors

I suspect one has to like a particular type of story to find this adventure engulfing, and by my rating it is obvious that I do. I begin to read and soon I am there. No I don’t like the slogging parts, but it so matches the life portrayed it settles like a second skin over the reader. We are going nowhere fast, but the challenges grow—how typical of life. I find myself reading slower and slower as the end approaches because I don’t want to leave this world. I wou
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Aaron Anderson
Jul 25, 2018 rated it liked it
Shelves: 2018, 5-fantasy
I actually liked this reasonably well. The problem is it's the second book with this character, and the first book had way more actual action. This book, I liked the characters and the writing, but damn did very little happen about 95 percent of the book. And that exciting 5 percent didn't happen anywhere near the end.

It's very rare that Modesitt writes more than 2 books about a specific character in the Recluse novels, but this seems a total setup for a 3rd book about this character. In fact pa
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Stuart Macmartin
Jun 30, 2019 rated it it was amazing
By now if you’ve read this series, you know that it will deal with politics, culture, some social commentary, told by experiencing the life of a character. The differing yet similar power structures and their effect are engaging. If you want to get straight to the point or action, this book and this series is not for you. If you like world building, you will love it, even though it is book 20.

Only negatives are the occasional blatant almost preachy comments about attitudes that are still around,
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L. E. (Leland Exton) Modesitt, Jr. is an author of science fiction and fantasy novels. He is best known for the fantasy series The Saga of Recluce. He graduated from Williams College in Massachusetts, lived in Washington, D.C. for 20 years, then moved to New Hampshire in 1989 where he met his wife. They relocated to Cedar City, Utah in 1993.

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Other books in the series

The Saga of Recluce (1 - 10 of 21 books)
  • The Magic of Recluce (The Saga of Recluce #1)
  • The Towers of the Sunset (The Saga of Recluce #2)
  • The Magic Engineer (The Saga of Recluce #3)
  • The Order War (The Saga of Recluce #4)
  • The Death of Chaos (The Saga of Recluce #5)
  • Fall of Angels (The Saga of Recluce, #6)
  • The Chaos Balance (The Saga of Recluce #7)
  • The White Order (The Saga of Recluce #8)
  • Colors of Chaos (The Saga of Recluce #9)
  • Magi'i of Cyador (The Saga of Recluce, #10)
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