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Dört Gelecek - Kapitalizmden Sonra Hayat

3.83  ·  Rating details ·  1,894 ratings  ·  245 reviews
Küresel iklim krizi, akıl almaz boyutlardaki gelir eşitsizliği, sosyal medya beğenilerinin yönettiği bir toplumsal hiyerarşi, otomasyonun hızla devreden çıkardığı insan emeği, gittikçe askerileşen polis güçleri, vatandaşlarını gözetleyen devletler, insansız hava araçları, başka bir gezegene taşınma hazırlıkları Peter Frase, bu çağ manzarasının içinden çıkarılabilecek ...more
Paperback, 1st edition, 123 pages
Published July 11th 2017 by Koç Üniversitesi Yayınları (first published March 10th 2015)
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Jessica Rosa In this book Peter Frase examines four different models of economic systems through four different hypotetical futures. The author obviously disputes…moreIn this book Peter Frase examines four different models of economic systems through four different hypotetical futures. The author obviously disputes that capitalism is the best economic system, so this is a book best appreciated if you're open to that kind of discussion.(less)
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Just from looking at it, you can tell that Four Futures will only describe each of its scenarios briefly. This a 150 page book, after all. Yet somehow the brevity disappointed me nonetheless. (It probably didnt help that I read it in the throes of insomnia.) Not that I disagreed with what was said, nor that the choice of four options didnt seem sensible, rather that the introduction (more than a fifth of the total page count) set up slightly unrealistic expectations. Specifically, it claimed to ...more
Adam  McPhee
Science fiction is to futurism what social theory is to conspiracy theory: an altogether richer, more honest, and more humble enterprise. Or to put it another way, it is always more interesting to read an account that derives the general from the particular (social theory) or the particular from the general (science fiction), rather than attempting to go from the general to the general (futurism) or the particular to the particular (conspiracism).

With that in mind, Frase uses science fiction and
Peter (Pete) Mcloughlin
This is a short simple book that lays our four scenarios of the future, Abundance and egalitarianism, Abundance and Hierarchy, Scarcity and Egalitarianism, Scarcity and Hierarchy. Four types of life possible outside capitalism. Interesting but it seems like a pretty straightforward extrapolation of noncapitalist societies running on these four categories based on these two dichotomies.

Update 2/4/2020 this is not a prediction book but merely goes over four possible scenarios. We either solve our
James (JD) Dittes
Is there a horror movie villain you can think of that has more lives than capitalism? Rumors of its demise stretch back to the era of the trust-busters and the Progressive Party. Every time a depression or war or rival ideology seems to have the system on its knees, its limbs burst to life and someone appears to proclaim, "I'm back!"

Considering the events since The Great Recession, along with growing numbers of Americans who support socialized college funding and medical insurance, this might be
One would imagine that a book envisioning (but as the author constantly reminds us does not guarantee) four distinct post-capitalist scenarios involving socialism, communism, scarcity and abundance should be if nothing else interesting.
Somehow however, this book is not.
Maybe its the overly technical language. Maybe its the reliance on science fiction tropes (a genre Im not particularly familiar with). Most likely its the relentless gloom of the author.
Yes, its difficult to be bright and
Sanjay Varma
This book is really concise. I skimmed the whole thing but was put off by his writing style from giving it more attention. He proposes two axes on which to understand social organization:

Hierarchy --> Equality
Scarcity --> Abundance

He does a business 101 comparison of the four possible quadrants in this matrix. Many of his examples are drawn from sci-fi novels. He tries to squeeze socialism, capitalism, and communism into quadrants, but I think this was unnecessary, and didn't enhance his
I am often astonished at the power of a really simple futuring technique - such as 2x2 matrices - to generate such interesting results. This book represents one such exercise. There are many of the conclusions that I don't agree with, there are some parts where I feel that the model is ill-defined, but the overall product is one that ought to commend our attention.

The basic premise of the book - that the liberal order established by the Washington Consensus has moved beyond it's shelf life. It's
Jun 15, 2017 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Sometimes you click on a link somewhere, in something that youre reading, which takes you to another link and another and another as you continue the train of thought of your line of inquiry as far as time allows. When that happens to me, often times the end of the line in the referrals process is a book, which I sometimes put in my Amazon cart and forget about it till it arrives at my doorstep and I pick up the book and try to figure out what I was thinking.

So it goes with Four Futures. This
Robert Clarke
Feb 06, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This book is a chilling account of humanity trying to cope with the "endgame" of capitalism, which up to the upcoming age of climate change and automation-induced unemployment, had enriched everyone's lives extraordinarily well.

Frase's fourth scenario, "Exterminism" is a horrifying amalgamation of Elysium, Atlas Shrugged, BioShock, The Terminator, Manna, and Ender's Game - where the isolated wealthy elite in charge of the robots use those robots to genocide the immiserated "buggers" left
Peter Frases essay is an exercise in what is commonly known as 'scenario planning. The author himself seems to be totally agnostic about this intellectual discipline that has a rich, decades-long history. But that doesnt detract from his attempt to visualise a range of post-capitalist futures. The basic idea behind the methodology is straightforward: identify a limited number of critical uncertainties and investigate how they might interact to shape different, but plausible and coherent futures. ...more
Something new is coming.

Fuck yes this is good. Short, well-written exploration of what the twin challenges of automation and climate change might bring us in the future. Not as prediction but as a call to arms. Frase mines the history of leftist thought for useful ideas and uses recent sci-fi pop culture as metaphors for exploring them. The book covers a lot of ground in a small package and ties together a lot of ideas that any progressive interested in technology has likely already come across
Vivian Zhang
Jun 07, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I actually used to imagine the fourth future as a kid - it's scary to think that this could be our potential future. The precedence we've already seen make a lot of the ideas brought up in this book very plausible and I wonder what role I will play in shaping the future as time goes on.
Dec 01, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This was a great read. So great, in fact, that I couldn't put it down. I read it in one day. It felt like the exact book that I needed at this moment. It answered the still lingering question: What's next? Where do we go from here? The biggest takeaway for me was the importance of a universal basic wage. If you have a knee-jerk reaction to the notion of people getting paid for doing nothing, then you should read this book. Technology will inevitably continue to replace workers and drive down the ...more
Nov 26, 2016 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: analysis
This is a disturbing, if not prescient, book. As the title makes clear, Frase outlines 4 possible post-capitalism futures: 1. A utopia of equality and abundance envisioned by Keynes in which all share in the fruits of a society without work. The idea of the elimination of work, while popular, seems ill considered. We will not easily automate home construction, the work of tradesman or menial work such as housework. 2. What Frase terms "rentism" where a wealthy class owns the technology that ...more
Zachary Brown
Feb 07, 2019 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
So good. Sci-fi stuff to explain the social changes coming in the very near future. And its got some real passion behind it. Not too long either. Fantastic . huge fan
Apr 17, 2018 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: ecology
This is a mildly interesting book that ultimately left me unsatisfied. I intend to use this review to untangle some of why that was, because I see its flaws as mirroring important flaws in the perspective and program of much of the mainstream left.

I approved of the books overall goal of sketching out hypothetical futures. A lifelong science fiction enthusiast myself, I appreciated Frases thoughts on science fiction as a means of social inquiry. I am also generally in agreement with Frases
jasmine sun
Feb 25, 2020 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: politics, economics
4.5* for premise, 3* for execution? one of the rare times i thought a book shouldve been longer!

no one reads ken liu short stories and expects them to be realistic, to build a complete and coherent world, or to outline a path from the present day to the utopia/dystopia portrayed.

likewise, you have to understand what this book is before reading it. this book is not a blueprint, a deep dive, or an analysis of modern capitalism. instead, its a brief thought exercise about four post-capitalist
Apr 11, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
the introduction serves this book well, as it lays out how the author plans to tackle the issues of control and availability in lear, concise fashion, but also softens the letdown of a "social science fiction" book... a tad light big theories, but since the reader comes in knowing the author has no plans to argue certain points (ubiquity/progression of tech, for one) it does mean certain circularities or endless arguments can be avoided altogether... his matrix of communism, socialism, rentism, ...more
Apr 29, 2019 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Having picked this book in audio version semi-randomly for my morning cycling routine, it starts with an interesting premise. Which possible futures could be awaiting for humankind, knowing that climate change and automation are ever-increasingly influencing our world? About halfway through the first chapter, the spectres of global warming and robotization are sneakily joined by a third spectre: class struggle. This is the first red flag about the book's true intentions, and more rapidly follow. ...more
Nov 13, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Me parece que el autor propone una vertiente de izquierda política, con mucha inteligencia. Congruencia y sobre todo con propuestas.

Qué quisiéramos de un futuro mucho más común. Compartido y sobre todo incluyente.
Me voló la cabeza de que el capitalismo se basa en la propiedad privada de las ideas. Creo que es algo que he venido replicando con mis alumnos y que incluso ahora, me parece sumamente peligroso.

Un gran libro para reflexionar, ameno y de disfrutable lectura.


It seems to me that
Mar 31, 2017 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: non-fiction
I read this book very quickly, which I consider both a positive and a negative. On one hand Frase's ideas and how he structured the book definitely held my interest and offered food for thought. Already the equality/hierarchy and abundance/scarcity axises Frase describes have sparked some fascinating (if gloomy) conversation with friends and family. However, I was also frustrated with the book's sometimes brief and shallow treatment of issues and ideas. I found myself using it more as an ...more
Jan 07, 2020 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I really like the premise of this book, but really, I was wanting more: more content, deeper dives, more of a challenge. Maybe I blasted through it because I'm generally in agreement with the worldview. But billed as 'social science fiction' I guess I expected more in the way of speculative fiction. That said, what I didn't expect was a thorough review of how each of these four future have clear roots in our contemporary society, and we have a choice to being evolving to, or through, them, even ...more
Feb 07, 2019 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: non-fiction, climate
An interesting look at four different possibilities for our future, extrapolating from the likelihood of climate change, automation, and how we adapt to both of those probabilities. I enjoyed the way Frase drew from books by fiction writers like Kim Stanley Robinson as well as academic theorisers. What really struck me is the proximity of some of these futures already, and how important it is for us to act now to make sure we have the future that works for many people, not just a few.
Kody Masteller
So many bad points. A tiny fraction of the book had its good points. Thats Jacobin for you. Just read the section on Rentism and some of the last chapter. If I hear class struggle one more fucking time.. ...more
Steven Peck
Dec 29, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
A must read. Thoughtful, economic analysis of where we are heading under the growning problems of climate change, technological innovation, and the undermining of democracy. Does not even pretend to imagine that capitalism will survive the onslaught.
Frustrating making odd leaps of logic that can't be supported by history. But interesting at the same time. And it does ask interesting questions and at least tries to point out potential answers
Chandler McArthur
oops I sure did forget about this for forever. future's bleak anyway folks. RIP
Kieran Meehan
Very interesting but, at many points, not very insightful. I found the arguments for the plausibility of the hierarchical scenarios (rentism and exterminism) compelling, but the egalitarian futures seemed to lack thorough description and plausible transitions (UBI leading to communism w/o revolution? Seriously?). Ultimately, this is a worthwhile read for considering how the increasingly distorted conceptions of property rights might gently lead the human race towards barbarism in the coming ...more
Pam (Who Cried Books)
*Thank you to Netgalley and the publisher for providing me a free copy*

Sidenote: The download expired before I was even able to download (I have awful time management) so I listened to the audiobook in Scribd. The ebook is also available there but I opted to listen to the audiobook in hopes that itll be easier for me to digest.

What if theres a way for capitalism to end? What happens after?

Peter Frase explores the possibility of a world rid of capitalism and four of the many possible
Andrew Nguyen
This book describes four possibilities in a society where automation has all but eliminated the need for our current capitalism. The split occurs among 'two axes': equality and scarcity. In this order, the book presents all four combinations of equality and scarcity

-High equality and low scarcity (communism)
-Low equality and high scarcity (rentism)
-High equality and high scarcity (socialism)
-Low equality and high scarcity (exterminism)

This book does a great job at synthesizing contemporary and
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Peter Frase is an editor at Jacobin magazine, a Ph.D. candidate in sociology at the CUNY Graduate Center, and has written for In These Times and Al Jazeera. He lives in New York City.

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