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Tí, čo odchádzajú - tí, čo zostávajú

(L'amica geniale #3)

4.29  ·  Rating details ·  60,695 ratings  ·  4,091 reviews
V tretej časti Neapolskej ságy sa z dievčat Eleny a Lily stávajú ženy. Lila, ktorá sa v šestnástich vydala, má malého syna, opustila manžela a výhody, ktoré jej prinášalo manželstvo, a pracuje ako robotníčka vo fabrike. Elena odišla zo štvrte, skončila vysokú školu a vydala úspešný román. Otvorili sa jej dvere do sveta vzdelaných ľudí. Obe ženy sa snažia prebúrať múry väze ...more
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Published March 16th 2017 by Inaque (first published October 30th 2013)
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Guillermo Arbe Hi Helen.
The books (I'm halfway through book four) have helped me understand my wife more, I think (not sure yet if she would agree). Especially in…more
Hi Helen.
The books (I'm halfway through book four) have helped me understand my wife more, I think (not sure yet if she would agree). Especially in terms of mood changes and interpreting, re-interpreting and re-re-interpreting the acts and words of others. The book ratifies that men and women see things differently. I suspected as much, but I was never able so clearly to see the issue from a woman's perspective before reading Ferrante. I was struck by how Elena Greco described how difficult it is to be authentic in one's womanhood and succeed in the male dominated world. Even the social definition of womanhood itself is from the male perspective and imposed on woman, and yet, as Greco says, "no man can know what it feels like to be in my body, a woman's body". It opened up my eyes and made me wonder.(less)
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Jul 25, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This book left me speechless.

I've spent the last few weeks reading Ferrante's Neapolitan novels, and I have grown increasingly attached to her two main characters, Elena and Lila. These women are so well-drawn and seem so real that I was anxious about what will happen to them. When I finished this book last night — on the edge of my seat, by the way, because there was yet another dramatic ending — I was so unsteady that I had to rest a moment, pondering the fates of the women.

I refuse to spoil a
Violet wells
Oct 03, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: italy, 21st-century
I finished this today, the day Elena Ferrante’s identity has reportedly been revealed. I confess I feel a bit guilty now because while reading this there were several times I found myself wishing I knew how much was fiction and how much autobiography. I wondered this because it struck me that when Lila disappears from the pages so too does the electric charge Ferrante’s writing has. Ferrante writes well about Elena’s initiation into university life, the Milan literati, Italian political unrest, ...more
Oct 27, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: italiana
Due nomi, belli come Elena e Raffaella, storpiati in Lenù e Lina, o Lila.
Due donne, belle, intelligenti, sensibili, con almeno una marcia in più, rivoltate come calzini, esplorate nei loro sentimenti più ingarbugliati e molesti, scandagliate, scarnificate, messe a nudo negli aspetti peggiori, al punto che la mia mediocrità si sente meno sola, e a volte, perfino, superiore.

"La prodigieuse Elena Ferrante" il primo documentario sull'opera letteraria di Elen
Jan 21, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: i-own-it, 2016, 2018
4.5 stars Review to come. But obviously it was great.
Ok, now that I've had time to come up with some thoughts--though, no promises that they will be coherent--I can attempt to write a review of this one. Like the 2 preceding novels in the Neapolitan novels series by the fabulous Elena Ferrante, this one is quite hard to rate on its own. The stories are so dependent on one another, and Ferrante so excellently doles out information that your reading of 1 book in the series seriously affects you
و من قال ان الرحيل دوما شر و البقاء جيد للأبد؟
فدوران عجلة الزمن يسقط من في القمم للقاع و يعلي اهل القاع لسطح لم يتألفوا معه..وفي رحلة الصعود تسقط الاقنعة و يرحل من يرحل و يبقى من يتحمل
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و لكن تظل رحلة الهروب الكبير للنساء هي: الهروب من الانوثة؛رموزها و معوقاتها اعباؤها ؛و عبر سنوات الرصاص الحرجة في تاريخ ايطاليا و تحول اليسار الاشتراكي لالوية عسكرية حمراء؛ سنرى من هرب و من بقى عبر تسع سنوات جديدة من حياة الينا/ليلا بسرد كلاسيكي/ شيطاني اعتدنا انه يقرأنا و لا نقرأه
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من هرب و من بقى؟
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Okay, I've calmed down enough to write a review (more like a "review") so that I can move on to the next book. This installment was the most frustrating one to read thus far. It feels disjointed and the entire middle of the book is sloooooow. It's hard to tell if this is an artistic choice - does the reader have to experience the same sort of ennui that Elena does as a new mother? if so, are hundreds of pages appropriate? - or if the story simply drags
Finally getting back to this series. I thoroughly enjoyed books one and two by Ferrante. But I waited to get to book three. I started this series via audio and wanted to finish them all via audio. Oddly, my library only had books 1, 2, and 4 in audio. So I waited for them to get it. But the main reason I waited.....I dread seeing the end of this absolutely amazing story!

Again we are drawn into the lives of Elena and Lila. This book picks up immediately where book 2 left off, though they all do t
[From Le nouveau nom]

I wrote and rewrote my review of Elena Ferrante's third volume, but each version I produced seemed stupider than the last; empty words, tired formulas, a well-crafted and earnest nullity of expression. In the end, although I had promised myself I would not do so, I emailed the draft to my friend and asked for her advice. An hour later, she skyped me back.

"So what do you expect me to do?" she asked. She seemed to be in a particularly bad mood. "You're the reviewer. You unde
Julie Christine
”Each of us narrates our life as it suits us.” ~Lila Cerullo

Mount Vesuvius simmers on the edges of Naples, a dragon in slumber, a metaphor for the rumbling, teeming city that erupts in violence without warning. The view of the volcano's hulking presence, seen through the windows of an upscale apartment, serves as proof that one has risen above the squalor of “the neighborhood” to arrive in the loftier heights. But no amount of money or education can sand away the rough resentments of those raise
Aug 07, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Each book in the Neapolitan series has its different delights. In Volume One, My Brilliant Friend, it was childhood, education and ambition. In Volume Two, The Story of a New Name, the zombie-like mindlessness of youthful sexual awakening. Here, its wealth and poverty and the irrationality of lovers.

Author Ferrante shows us why Communism was embraced by so many hardworking Italians. Her tale may be beholden to Ignazio Silone, yet it gives one a compelling understanding of the hopes and dreams th
"Become… I wanted to become, even though I had never known what. And I had become, that was certain, but without an object, without a real passion, without a determined ambition. I had wanted to become something – here was the point – only because I was afraid that Lila would become someone and I would stay behind. My becoming was a becoming in her wake. I had to start again to become, but for myself, as an adult, outside of her."

I finished this third book in Elena Ferrante’s Neapolitan series t
Kamal Sabry Shaker
أنا من الطبقة الوسطى التى تجاهد كى لا تنزلق، وتكافح كى تصعد لأعلى، فلا تكسب إلا تحطيم أظفارها على الغبار الذى يبطن الحفرة.
العراب أحمد خالد توفيق .. من مقال بعنوان لعنة الوضع الوسط
البروليتاريا = الطبقة العاملة = الموظفين = الطبقة الوسطى: الجميع سواسية يكافحون كى يكسبوا قوت يومهم ويعجزون عن الوفاء بالمتطلبات الطارئة / العاجلة لأن ما يربحونه من دخل يكاد يكفى اليوم ذاته، وطالما بقى حال الطبقة الوسطى على ما هو عليه أو تدهور أكثر، فهنا يجب أن يتوقع المجتمع أن تظهر (باسكوالى + ناديا + أرماندو + وربما ل
Apr 01, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
From the beginning, the reading of Ferrante has been a visceral experience. Yet, reading her standalone novels first did not prepare for me for what a hyperrealistic fever dream these Neapolitan Novels have been. Unlike hyperrealistic works of visual art where what is underneath proves that the picture is not real, what is underneath here seems all too real. Upon finishing this installment I even felt guilty, as if I were complicit in the character's decisions.

The narrator's scholarly work on ma
Elyse Walters
May 11, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Elena is married, living in Florence with a husband she fights with often.
They have two daughters.....making her life even more complicated. Choices need to be made. Will she leave....or will she stay? And regardless of her choice--what else has to happen? For her? Her children? Husband? Is being happy with yourself dependent on if you stay OR leave?
Basically- Elena is not content as a Betty Crocker type domestic-woman.
She spends a great amount of time evaluating her every move, her every thou
Series described as, inter alia, Passionate, Vicious, Intimate, Sweeping, Challenging, Flummoxing, Ferocious, High Stakes, Subversive and Blisteringly Good on Bad Sex
If you've not started reading them, WHY NOT?

Neapolitan actress Valeria Golino [Hot, Hot, Hot]

The 3d of the "Neapolitan Novels" tetralogy by Italian novelist Elena Ferrante (a pseudonym). Ms. Ferrante says she considers the four volumes to constitute one novel. Instead of giving an overall description of the books again, I'll just
Maria Bikaki
Δεν ξέρω αν θυμάστε που σας έγραφα στην κριτική του 2ου βιβλίου ότι δε μπορώ να βγάλω άκρη με αυτές τις δύο τύπισσες και δε μπορώ να καταλάβω προς τι όλος αυτός ο ντόρος για τις περιπέτειες τους. Ανάμεσα σε όλα είχα γράψει ότι ένα από τα δικά μου θέματα ήταν ότι δε μπορούσα να νιώσω κανένα απολύτως συναίσθημα για τις 2 κεντρικές ηρωίδες πέρα του γεγονότος ότι ούτε η ιστορία που διηγείται η συγγραφέας μου δημιούργησε κάποιο ιδιαίτερο συναίσθημα. Επειδή όμως δεν ξέρω γιατί το σύμπαν έχει αποφασίσε ...more
Dec 13, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: bib-l, italia
Também eu fui contagiada pela ferrantefever, e neste momento a única terapêutica é saber como isto vai acabar.
Nestes dias de leitura e em conversas a propósito da mesma, tenho tido alguma dificuldade em explicar o tema dos livros. É que, se para o primeiro volume é aceitável dizer que é a história da amizade entre duas raparigas e da vida no bairro onde vivem, nos seguintes a narrativa vai ganhar densidade a nível pessoal das personagens, assim como aprofundar temas com raízes bem reais e mostr
Francesca Marciano
Reading Elena Ferrante's trilogy has been a marathon of never ending awe. I'm still electrified from reading the last volume. Lila and lena will stay with me for a very very long time. Pleease read "My Brilliant Friend" trilogy and keep in mind that it gets better and better and better and better as you turn each page.
Apr 28, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Political turmoil rages through the Italian landscape when Elena finally gets married to her professor, Pietro Airota, and Lila has settled down living with Enzo. Their worlds are a million miles apart as far as the two different lifestyles they have chosen is concerned.

It doesn't take long for Elena to realize, what Lila could have told her anyway:
Marriage by now seemed to me an institution that, contrary to what one might think, stripped coitus of all humanity."
Years pass in which they do no
I am completely and utterly spellbound, bewitched. Each novel in the series is getting me more hooked.

Again, where do I start? I'll just write a few thoughts.

It's the 70s. Elena is married to her university boyfriend, who's now a Professor and a very dull individual. Ferrante is brilliant at conveying the loneliness of domesticity. The conflict between loving your family and wanting to be there for them and the mind-numbness of the constant chores. Even the sex is a chore. Elena is disappointed
Oct 08, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: n-italia, 5e
Oh, Elena! Como conheces tão bem o ser humano!

Li em nove dias as cerca de novecentas e cinquenta páginas dos três primeiros livros das Crónicas Napolitanas. E, agora, lamento-me por não conseguir ler em inglês, ou italiano, para ir desencantar, em qualquer lado, o volume final das vidas de Lila e Lenù...
Estes três livros merecem a melhor review que eu poderia ser capaz de fazer, no entanto, sinto-me sem as palavras que lhes façam justiça. Talvez no final consiga...
Por agora, deixo-lhe um Sol (r
May 21, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
"Ferrante’s singularity is to make a glory of introspection and turn it into theatre. There’s a dark ardour present in her writing, and a thrilling physicality to her metaphors, boldly translated by Ann Goldstein. She speaks of “the anxious pleasure of violence”, of desire feeling “like a drop of rain in a spiderweb”. Her charting of the rivalries and sheer inscrutability of female friendship is raw. This is high-stakes, subversive literature."
Catherine Taylor for The Telegraph

A theatre of intro
Michael Finocchiaro
I am barreling through Ferrante books and loving them. In book 3, Elena and Lila are now in their 20s and 30s and still living parallel and occasionally intersecting lives with mariage, lovers, kids, and lots of self-questioning. There is not one particular aspect or scene that comes to mind, but the overall impression of a very Proustian inspired look at the varying fates of these two women and how much they are changed (and unchanged) by the society that is changing around them. The secondary ...more
Odai Al-Saeed
Oct 07, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
في الجزء الثالث من "رباعية نابولي" وهي المرحلة التي تبدأ فيها الحياة في الكشف عن برقعها المزيف فتخسف في أحلام كانت بالأمس آمال منشودة ... إننا في المرحلة العمرية القاسية والتي تسمى بمرحلة منتصف العمر مرحلة ما بين الشباب واللاشباب ... تواصل فيها الكاتبة سرد الحبكات القصصية الماهرة دون أي تنميق لغوي كما قلنا سابقاً وتستمر قصص إيلينا وليلا بتواتر ضمن حقبة الستينيات والسبعينيات بكم هائل من المكائد والأقدار والأحداث الملية ..لا عجب أن تكون الرباعية قد أثرت لهذا الحد فهي مكتوبة بلغة عفوية تستطيع جذب ا ...more
Claire Melanie
This book was pretty readable and I'm curious to find out what happens to the characters after having read the two previous books in this series but there are literally no likeable characters at all. They're all such insufferable self obsessed arseholes who are hideous to each other and completely self involved. Really weird. I guess I'll read the last one cause this one certainly ended on a cliffhanger.
Mar 09, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Βαθμολογία: ★★★★

Μου άρεσε περισσότερο από «Το νέο όνομα». Η τετραλογία της Νάπολης έχει αρκετά ελαττώματα, τα οποία τώρα φαίνονται καθαρότερα από ποτέ. Οι χαρακτήρες της Έλενας και της Λίλας δεν είναι ρεαλιστικοί. Είναι υπερβολικά αυτοκαταστροφικές και στην πραγματική ζωή πιστεύω ότι θα είχαν προ πολλού χάσει επαφή. Ωστόσο, η γραφή της Ferrante παραμένει μεθυστική και καθηλωτική, δεν σε αφήνει να την παρατήσεις. Ελπίζω το τέταρτο και τελευταίο μέρος να κλείνει όμορφα την ιστορία.
Originally published on my blog, ShouldaCouldaWoulda Books.

Hello and welcome back to the third edition of Kelly Freaks Out Over Elena Ferrante Theater!

I hope that you didn’t come in here with the expectation that this was going to be the time that I got disillusioned with Elena, did you? Because that seems unlikely to happen. Ever. At least not with these Neapolitan novels. These things are like crack brownie ice cream pot (insert more adjectives that indicate addiction and deliciousness here) s
Jan 06, 2016 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: dnf
I give up. Elena Ferrante and I are not simpatico. I have this novel- I'm skimming- I'm dreading the wordiness, the limbo, the chatter of the novel. They are simply grim books, filled with agony after agony in detail. Life is tough enough but to have to expose myself to the microscopic examination of lives which never seem joyful, the minutiae of the mundane, the scrutiny of unfulfilled lives- I give up. Those who love these books- go for them. We all have choices. These aren't mine. Bye, Elena.
Maloja Snake
Αντε τώρα να γράψεις μια αρμόζουσα κριτική για αυτή την πολύτιμη και αριστουργηματική τετραλογία που έχει τρυπώσει για τα καλά στο μυαλό και την καρδιά σου. Θα σας πώ πρώτα για τον πύρινο, ωμό, οξυδερκή και ειλικρινή λόγο της Φερράντε που νιώθεις ότι καταφέρνει να κάνει το κείμενο να πάλλεται. Και δεν μου το βγάζετε από το μυαλό ότι μπορεί να είναι μυθιστόρημα αλλα η Φερράντε έχει ζήσει πολύ έντονα την ζωή της και αυτά τα βιβλία δεν θέλουν να αποδώσουν μονο έναν ολόκληρο κόσμο αλλα να προσφέρουν ...more
Ola Al-Najres
بعد ثلاث أجزاء من السلسلة بتُ على قناعة أنّ :
1- كتابات إيلينا فيرانتي كالأطعمة الإيطالية . تقرأ الأولى بسلاسة و استلذاذ تناولك للثانية ، حتى تنتهي منها فتتراكم و تتزاحم الأفكار في رأسك كتراكم و تزاحم الدهون في الجسد .

2- ليلّا و لينو هما تجسيد روائي لتناقضات الإنسان الواحد ، هذه التناقضات مرتبطة ببعضها ارتباط الظل بالنور ، و في زاوية ما هما مظاهر مختلفة لمضمون وحيد .

3- لا عدو للمرأة إلا المرأة ، لا عدو للمرأة إلا ذاتها .

في هذا الجزء - و بعد مرحلتي الطفولة و المراهقة في الجزئين السابقين - نتابع ال
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Elena Ferrante is a pseudonymous Italian novelist.

Ferrante is the author of a half dozen novels, including The Lost Daughter (originally published as La figlia oscura, 2006).

In 2012, Europa Editions began publication of English translations of Ferrante's "Neapolitan Novels," a series about two perceptive and intelligent girls from Naples who try to create lives for themselves within a violent and

Other books in the series

L'amica geniale (4 books)
  • My Brilliant Friend (The Neapolitan Novels, #1)
  • The Story of a New Name (The Neapolitan Novels, #2)
  • The Story of the Lost Child (The Neapolitan Novels, #4)
“Each of us narrates our life as it suits us.” 104 likes
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