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The Will to Battle (Terra Ignota #3)
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The Will to Battle —the third book of 2017 John W. Campbell Award winner Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota series—a political SF epic of extraordinary audacity
“A cornucopia of dazzling, sharp ideas set in rich, wry prose that rewards rumination with layers of delight. Provocative, erudite, inventive, resplendent.” —Ken Liu, author of The Grace of Kings
The long years of near-utopi ...more
“A cornucopia of dazzling, sharp ideas set in rich, wry prose that rewards rumination with layers of delight. Provocative, erudite, inventive, resplendent.” —Ken Liu, author of The Grace of Kings
The long years of near-utopi ...more
Hardcover, 368 pages
Published
December 19th 2017
by Tor Books
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Update, later the same day:
I think I'm gonna nominate this one for Hugo. It keeps getting better on reflection. :)
Original Review:
I took my time and savored this one. It deserves it. And more.
Ada Palmer has made a world worth luxuriating in, and far from resting on the Greek laurels she and her work deserve, she's delved deep into new philosophical questions while all the time fascinating us with complicated and rich characters. Never even mind the glorious world-building. The amount of thought ...more
I think I'm gonna nominate this one for Hugo. It keeps getting better on reflection. :)
Original Review:
I took my time and savored this one. It deserves it. And more.
Ada Palmer has made a world worth luxuriating in, and far from resting on the Greek laurels she and her work deserve, she's delved deep into new philosophical questions while all the time fascinating us with complicated and rich characters. Never even mind the glorious world-building. The amount of thought ...more
I’ve been thinking about how to review this book for a couple of days, and have come to the conclusion that I can’t review its events without massive spoilers, and even then, those won’t convey the impact to someone who hasn’t read the two previous books.
So I’m going to talk about it by talking around it.
In the last few days, it so happens that I’ve been either watching or reading stories that focus on the problems of power and human nature. The fuzziest of these stories was my viewing of The La ...more
So I’m going to talk about it by talking around it.
In the last few days, it so happens that I’ve been either watching or reading stories that focus on the problems of power and human nature. The fuzziest of these stories was my viewing of The La ...more
Ockham Prospero Saneer pleads Terra Ignota, I did the deed, but I do not myself know whether it was a crime. This sets the tone for the entire book.
I know there are at least a few of you interested in this book and whether or not the end feels like we've only been given half a book. I'm happy to report that this does not feel like half a book. The wait for Perhaps the Stars will still be long and torturous, but I intend to fill that time with back to back re-reads prior to release.
These books ar ...more
I know there are at least a few of you interested in this book and whether or not the end feels like we've only been given half a book. I'm happy to report that this does not feel like half a book. The wait for Perhaps the Stars will still be long and torturous, but I intend to fill that time with back to back re-reads prior to release.
These books ar ...more
Author: Welcome back, dear reader! Did you return for the consistent brilliance that my cast has been putting out in their every performance?...more
Me: Not necessarily…I’ve got a nagging question that won’t let me quit this play.
Author (asks with keenness and curiosity): What is it?
Me: How is Mycroft Canner not severely dehydrated by now? I mean…the guy has been sobbing non-stop for the previous acts and I doubt he’s getting enough water on his Servicer’s diet. It’s…it’s been bothering me for months!
Au
Ada Palmer has the skills to pay the bills, and with her new book she's packing a full clip, has a 455 under the hood and a full tank of high-octane racing fuel.
This is the third book in the Terra Ignota trilogy, and damn, it’s good! Palmer keeps the tension running at eye-watering pace, the politics, bad blood and crimes of the previous two novels coming together in a story that has the intricacy of a Swiss watch.
Mycroft Canner, Servicer, one-time sadistic multiple murderer and now servant to t ...more
This is the third book in the Terra Ignota trilogy, and damn, it’s good! Palmer keeps the tension running at eye-watering pace, the politics, bad blood and crimes of the previous two novels coming together in a story that has the intricacy of a Swiss watch.
Mycroft Canner, Servicer, one-time sadistic multiple murderer and now servant to t ...more
The first book in the Terra Ignota series, Too Like the Lightning, was magnificent. It left me deliciously bewildered at every turn, with revelation after revelation illuminating new aspects of the world to me, turning my assumptions on their heads with no warning. This being the third installment in the series, the world is now mostly laid out before the reader, but there are still shattering revelations to be had. Before beginning, I was concerned that my expectations for The Will to Battle we
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Another good read, but compared to the previous two this one FELT longer. Maybe because of the endless court proceedings and descriptions of god knows how many philosophers.
Usually I enjoy books that speak about the law and politics in detail but this book was FILLED with it and it pretty much stretched me out.
Still really looking forward to the next book (which is the last one, I think) because of that ending.
Usually I enjoy books that speak about the law and politics in detail but this book was FILLED with it and it pretty much stretched me out.
Still really looking forward to the next book (which is the last one, I think) because of that ending.
After the constitutive excellent of the first two of the series, I felt this novel falls a little flat. While in the previous iterations, the plot has felt honed and in a momentous direction, here the story seems to meander around, with only occasional larger events stitching it all together. While Lightning had the Ockham-Saneer bash, and Surrenders had Madame's, the global scope of this book overwhelms when it is thrust upon the reader every chapter, instead of breaking up otherwise familiar l
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Ada Palmer’s fiction gets a lot of attention for its voice and ideas, but I think her greatest strength is actually characterization. The Will to Battle features a large ensemble cast and somehow manages to give all the characters devastating and/or moving moments. Structure-wise it’s a bit off (suddenly a lot of things happen in the last quarter that are not resolved) and the engagement with Hobbes simply doesn’t work, but what d ...more
Ada Palmer’s fiction gets a lot of attention for its voice and ideas, but I think her greatest strength is actually characterization. The Will to Battle features a large ensemble cast and somehow manages to give all the characters devastating and/or moving moments. Structure-wise it’s a bit off (suddenly a lot of things happen in the last quarter that are not resolved) and the engagement with Hobbes simply doesn’t work, but what d ...more
This is a magnificent series! It has glorious prose, spectacular world-building, amazing intrigue and ... It's so good that I feel bad for not liking it. But fact is just don't. Yes, it's glorious and intricate and imaginative, to me this book was still a slog.
I'm not even sure what kept me going. Pure stubbornness and five-nines record of finishing books? (Not actually true, it's two nines and a smidgen.) A hope that it would eventually be worth it?
It definitely wasn't a desire to know what wo ...more
I'm not even sure what kept me going. Pure stubbornness and five-nines record of finishing books? (Not actually true, it's two nines and a smidgen.) A hope that it would eventually be worth it?
It definitely wasn't a desire to know what wo ...more
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The scope, imagination, complexity, and beauty of Ada Palmer's writing continues to blow my mind. There are no other books like these books. I have no coherent review to articulate here, other than to say everyone should read the Terra Ignota series and that I am desperately excited for the release of the final volume.
Something keeps me reading this series despite the absolutely annoying writing style. the world that is created in this series is intriguing, and I am interested in it. However, the way it is presented through an egotistical narrator, or "chronicler", is annoying as hell and makes it very painful at times to read.
"Terra Ignota" is a series best enjoyed once you accept the fact that there's no way in hell you can anticipate what's going to happen. Palmer slaps you in the face with grandeurs and philosophies and absurdities, until the sheer thickness and spread of ideas turns her novels into something abstract and surreal.
This isn't a criticism. Once I stopped trying to unravel labyrinthine plot threads, I enjoyed her books far more. It was with this mindset that I read "Will to Battle", and I enjoyed this ...more
This isn't a criticism. Once I stopped trying to unravel labyrinthine plot threads, I enjoyed her books far more. It was with this mindset that I read "Will to Battle", and I enjoyed this ...more
Me: I finished
Me: I can't really keysmash on a phone, so you'll just have to imagine it
Boyfriend: Heheh
Boyfriend: Cliffhanger for book 4?
Me: I don't think cliffhanger is the right word
Me: More, I am now lying in a smashed and broken heap at the base of the cliff
Or, wait, I'm at a real keyboard now: uygehkflishgruieosyht78awy3 WHAT DID I JUST READ?
I have so many questions right now (including, notably, about population demographics: cross-referencing some numbers mentioned here with numbers from ...more
Me: I can't really keysmash on a phone, so you'll just have to imagine it
Boyfriend: Heheh
Boyfriend: Cliffhanger for book 4?
Me: I don't think cliffhanger is the right word
Me: More, I am now lying in a smashed and broken heap at the base of the cliff
Or, wait, I'm at a real keyboard now: uygehkflishgruieosyht78awy3 WHAT DID I JUST READ?
I have so many questions right now (including, notably, about population demographics: cross-referencing some numbers mentioned here with numbers from ...more
Mind. Blown.
Again.
These books are not like anything else out there, and reading them is a ride and a half - the ultimate unreliable narrator, world-shaking events, twists and turns and meta-narrative (the book itself is an important plot point in the book and also the unreliable narrator is currently authoring the preceding volumes and. Yeah. It's a LOT.
It's the kind of rare book where reading it becomes more real than reality - seeping into my dreams, making my sleep restless with premonitions ...more
Again.
These books are not like anything else out there, and reading them is a ride and a half - the ultimate unreliable narrator, world-shaking events, twists and turns and meta-narrative (the book itself is an important plot point in the book and also the unreliable narrator is currently authoring the preceding volumes and. Yeah. It's a LOT.
It's the kind of rare book where reading it becomes more real than reality - seeping into my dreams, making my sleep restless with premonitions ...more
This series remains exceptional both in inciting serious contemplation and in terms of pure enjoyment. It is at heart a book of Big Ideas -- all character choices, plot twists, and world-building are in service to that, rather than (at times) a straight narrative -- and ambitious in its concerted attempts to provoke intellectual responses. It requires, even *demands*, attention and active engagement from the reader. Yet despite meandering tangents into philosophy and theodicy, in which it ravish
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Jan 22, 2018
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it was amazing
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Loved loved loved The Will To Battle. Some broad impressions:
Book 2, Seven Surrenders, felt like something of a dip to me -- I feel like Too Like The Lightning set a bunch of dominoes up, and Seven Surrenders was rather straightforwardly watching them all fall -- but this is back to what I absolutely love.
It creates a cast of Leviathans, so it can show us how those Leviathans -- like our Leviathans -- interact. Most stories tend to ignore the immense social dynamics that Leviathans represent, or ...more
Book 2, Seven Surrenders, felt like something of a dip to me -- I feel like Too Like The Lightning set a bunch of dominoes up, and Seven Surrenders was rather straightforwardly watching them all fall -- but this is back to what I absolutely love.
It creates a cast of Leviathans, so it can show us how those Leviathans -- like our Leviathans -- interact. Most stories tend to ignore the immense social dynamics that Leviathans represent, or ...more
First book of 2018!
I loved the first two books of this tetralogy; though there were many flaws, the great, wonderful, and magnificent outweighed the flaws. But this time, I think the flaws won the day. The "Dear reader" became too annoying. Thomas Hobbes was an important presence in book 2; in this book, Hobbes is so important that he becomes a character. Not quite a character, an equivalent to the "dear reader," or possibly just a hallucination of Mycroft Canner, the narrator. That was just a s ...more
I loved the first two books of this tetralogy; though there were many flaws, the great, wonderful, and magnificent outweighed the flaws. But this time, I think the flaws won the day. The "Dear reader" became too annoying. Thomas Hobbes was an important presence in book 2; in this book, Hobbes is so important that he becomes a character. Not quite a character, an equivalent to the "dear reader," or possibly just a hallucination of Mycroft Canner, the narrator. That was just a s ...more
Too Like The Lightning showed us one of science fiction's most alluring futures; Seven Surrenders played Jenga with it. And The Will To Battle covers months, but they all equate to that moment of indrawn breath as you can see the whole thing is about to come crashing down, but don't yet know quite how badly, or where the pieces will land. None of the world's leaders want war, initially at least; everyone is doing their best to ensure that when it comes, it will be minimally damaging to civilisat
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This book series is super ambitious, but it keeps paying off. Ada Palmer commits 100% to her characters and the world that she's built, so that even when things are super weird, they feel like they fit. Nothing is shoehorned in — the story is constructed around the important elements. She's not afraid to make big changes or pivot the story in dramatic ways when it is the thing that fits. I was surprised that there will be a fourth book, but I like that we paused here in the pre-war intrigue for
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The story of this Earth 500 years into the future continues, and is told just as skilfully than in the first two books - same darkness and all, too. Perhaps some apprehension is creeping in as well now, watching the world and characters I grew attached to (sometimes despite myself) fraying at the edges so. Great worldbuilding.
Terra Ignota is such a glorious sprawl of a story that I have a tough time knowing what on earth I can say about it. It's bewildering - made more so by narrator Mycroft Canner's descend into madness. If he wasn't unreliable enough as a narrator, now we can't even be sure who he's speaking to! Bring on 9A!
There are many things to love in this third novel in the Terra Ignota series, not the least being getting to dwell in the world of the Palmer's 25th centry for while. Also, one scene near the end contains a giant list of Utopian names. I keep thinking up Utopian names to use on my badge at this year's Armadillo con. Ansible Hawking? Stardust Ashpool? Ziggy LeGuin?
The only problem is that the first novel was so filled with fantastic, new ideas, and the second with the resolution of so many of th ...more
The only problem is that the first novel was so filled with fantastic, new ideas, and the second with the resolution of so many of th ...more
Es difícil intentar definir estos libros así que no voy a intentarlo. Simplemente decir que me siguen encantando y que si bien esta tercera entrega quizás empiece un poco mas floja, rápidamente remonta y te deja pegado leyéndo. Hay que tener arte para que cuando a la narración se "le va la olla" en temas filosóficos y morales siga enganchando tanto.
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