Goodreads helps you keep track of books you want to read.

Start by marking “The English Duke” as Want to Read:

Other editions

Enlarge cover

Rate this book

Clear rating

1 of 5 stars 2 of 5 stars 3 of 5 stars 4 of 5 stars 5 of 5 stars

Open Preview

The English Duke

(Duke Trilogy #2)

Karen Ranney (Goodreads Author)

3.67 · Rating details · 434 ratings · 69 reviews

In the second in New York Times Bestselling Author Karen Ranney’s scintillating series, society’s most coveted duke finds the one thing wealth and position cannot buy—the perfect partner…

For years, Martha York has been fascinated by a man she’s never met—Jordan Hamilton, the new Duke of Roth and protégé to her inventor father. Could the elusive gentleman possibly live up t ...more

Get A Copy

Mass Market Paperback, 374 pages

Published March 28th 2017 by Avon

More Details... Edit Details

Friend Reviews

To see what your friends thought of this book, please sign up.

Reader Q&A

To ask other readers questions about The English Duke, please sign up.

Be the first to ask a question about The English Duke

Lists with This Book

The Girl with the Make-Believe Husband by Julia Quinn

2017 Historical Romance

404 books — 481 voters

When the Marquess Falls by Lorraine Heath

The Lady By His Side by Stephanie Laurens

March 2017: Historical Romance Releases

54 books — 34 voters

More lists with this book...

Community Reviews

Showing 1-30

Average rating 3.67 ·

Rating details

· 434 ratings · 69 reviews

More filters

Sort order

Start your review of The English Duke

Nov 13, 2016 Caz rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: romance-1850-1900s, arc, aar

I've given this a B at AAR.

I hesitate to describe Karen Ranney’s latest offering, The English Duke as being part of a series, because really, it’s a standalone novel that doesn’t feature any characters or continue any plotlines from the author’s last book, The Scottish Duke. The titles are similar, of course (the forthcoming third book is The American Duke) and there are a number of common plot elements; the hero is a scientist and there’s an evil “other woman” character, for instance. I’m not ...more

flag 15 likes · Like · see review

Aug 14, 2017 Lover of Romance rated it really liked it

This review was originally posted on Addicted To Romance

The English Duke, is the second book in the Duke Trilogy. After reading book one and LOVING it, I had some high expectations for this one, and I am gratified to say that I truly enjoyed this one quite a bit. It definitely can be read as a stand alone, I am not sure how the trilogy is connected. So they are easy to read on their own.

In The English Duke we have a story that brings together two great minds. Our heroine, Martha York, has been w ...more

flag 12 likes · Like · see review

Mar 30, 2017 Edwina " I LoveBooks" "Deb" rated it did not like it

Recommends it for: NO ONE!!

The English Duke has to be one of the Worst Stories I have ever listen to. This is a Unhappy story!! I would love to ask Karen Ranney what was she thinking? This is a story full of Angst, Frustrations, Stupid hero Jordan Hamilton Duke of Roth and the mousy, insecure and plain spinster Martha York. Martha had No Gumption!! No Fight in her. Just Blah!!

I have been in bed very sick with phenomena while trying to listen to this story on audible. But I felt so much anger at this story I felt like thr The English Duke has to be one of the Worst Stories I have ever listen to. This is a Unhappy story!! I would love to ask Karen Ranney what was she thinking? This is a story full of Angst, Frustrations, Stupid hero Jordan Hamilton Duke of Roth and the mousy, insecure and plain spinster Martha York. Martha had No Gumption!! No Fight in her. Just Blah!!

I have been in bed very sick with phenomena while trying to listen to this story on audible. But I felt so much anger at this story I felt like throwing my kindle.

The story is not just about Jordan the Duke of Roth and Martha York but about her sister Josephine York and Jordan's best friend Reese Burthren. Josephine is a spoiled brat who feels entitled to anything she wants and sees. As soon as she sees Sedgebrook the Historical Prestigious Home of Jordan the Duke of Roths she wants the prestigious home and the title of Duchess of Roth. But Jordan is attracted to the spinster sister Martha. She is an inventor like himself and they work together on a Torpedo Ship invention of Martha's deceased father Matthew and Jordan's. Martha and Josephine are Heiress to a vast fortune. Which in the end Josephine did not deserve and the author should have found away to take away her inheritance from her "Not" father, who was not her real father. She is Illegitimate. Josephine and Reese are despicable characters. After Jordan takes Martha's virginity which was a boring scene he doesn't remember. Until Martha tells the scheming Josephine what happen. Josephine goes to the grandmother and pretends it was her that the Duke Seduced her and took her virginity. Josephine never was a virgin and had been having sex with Jordan "Supposedly" best friend Reese. Of course Jordan does the honorable thing and offers marriage to Josephine. Reese wants to Steal the plans and the designs to the Torpedo Ship to give to the War Office so that don't have to pay for it. This will advance his career. He and Josephine steal the ship from Jordan and Martha. WTF!! Poor dumb naïve Martha doesn't know how much her "Not Half Sister" hates her. This BULL CRAP goes on and on until the last few pages of the story. When Jordan realizes he is marrying the wrong sister and remembers it was Martha's virginity he took that drug and liquor induced night. So right before Jordan and Josephine's wedding all beats are off. Instead of a wedding reception Jordan and Martha celebrate there betrothal and Reese and Josephine go off together thinking they have stolen the Torpedo Ship plans and design again, but they haven't.

I will never trust this author again and I can't imagine any author writing such and Unhappy Ever After. The whole story is Frustrating and makes You Feel Unhappy and Waited down!! ...more

flag 6 likes · Like · see review

Nov 29, 2016 Secretly Reading rated it really liked it

Shelves: historical, 2016-reads

Absolutely delightful read! It's rare in romance that I love the heroine as much as the hero but that's so true in this case! Martha is self assured, inquisitive, brave, and a genius but she's also vulnerable in a way real women can totally relate to (OK, maybe just me but still, LOVED her!) The hero is also a real character, not a stock Alapha-hole romance hero. He and Martha build a camaraderie that I loved watching, full of emotional intimacy and sexual tension.

The plot unfolds gently around ...more

flag 5 likes · Like · see review

Mar 31, 2017 Tales Of A Bookbug rated it liked it

Shelves: romance, hit-the-hero-on-the-head, historical

A good book, but I believe there could have been more.It started off very promising and since I love geeky/intelligent/bluestocking heroines in HR books, I was pretty sure I would love it.
Martha was a really good heroine.She was intelligent,focused and determined.
Jordan was also not a beast or anything like that.He was just a man damaged by his experiences and searching for something in life.Though he appeared a little rude in the beginning, his behavior changes slowly.Their relationship also sl A good book, but I believe there could have been more.It started off very promising and since I love geeky/intelligent/bluestocking heroines in HR books, I was pretty sure I would love it.
Martha was a really good heroine.She was intelligent,focused and determined.
Jordan was also not a beast or anything like that.He was just a man damaged by his experiences and searching for something in life.Though he appeared a little rude in the beginning, his behavior changes slowly.Their relationship also slowly developed from mutual dislike to one where they respect each other.
But in the last one third of the book, I don't know what exactly happened.The level-headed characters that I loved were acting so differently and weren't thinking their way out of problems.They were so sad and despondent.I guess love is to blame?They could have just communicated with each other properly, or atleast with others!

I pretty much hated Josephine(Martha's sister) and Reese(Jordan's friend) by the end of the book, but I loved reading the chapters from their POVs since it gives us an insight into their motivations and inner workings.Even though Reese is pretty cunning, I loved how he also got snared under Josephine's spell and managed to bring Josephine with him.Even though technically they would never be truly happy with each other, I would still love to see a follow up on them or maybe a cameo in future books.

The part that made me sad was Jordan had noone else for him other than Martha!Atleast Martha had her grandmother on her side, but Jordan didn't even have a loyal friend.I didn't like it when Martha put up with Josephine's antics and even at the end, they let her run free.Pretty shitty if you ask me.
But it was realistic in the fact that we could see the reasons why the characters behaved in certain ways.They all had well developed backstories and events that influenced them.Nobody was a 2d carboard cutout in this and that was my favorite part about this book.
Overall, it was a really good book that pulled me in and made me invested in the characters!The author's writing is also very good and I'll be definitely checking out her other works in the future as they seem very interesting! ...more

flag 4 likes · Like · see review

Apr 01, 2017 Barbara Rogers rated it liked it · review of another edition

What is wrong with me? This is a Karen Ranney book and I love Karen Ranney books. I liked the storyline and I liked the characters -- it just seemed to move so very slowly that I found myself skipping chunks of it.

flag 4 likes · Like · see review

Mar 29, 2017 Gaele rated it really liked it

Shelves: edelweiss, hrrc, reviewed, avon, 2017-challenges, harper-collins-group, historic, 2017-favorites

There’s no great secrets or surprises here, and that is perfectly fine because Ranney delivers two characters in Martha and Jordan that fairly breathe in the corner of your eye as the story unfolds. Both of these characters are intelligent, curious and slightly different from the norm that has come to be so prevalent in today’s books. Add to their complexity and moments of vulnerability, and what emerges is a story rich in layers, providing a conclusion that is richer for the nuances and subtle There’s no great secrets or surprises here, and that is perfectly fine because Ranney delivers two characters in Martha and Jordan that fairly breathe in the corner of your eye as the story unfolds. Both of these characters are intelligent, curious and slightly different from the norm that has come to be so prevalent in today’s books. Add to their complexity and moments of vulnerability, and what emerges is a story rich in layers, providing a conclusion that is richer for the nuances and subtle clues that each character offers to the other, as their connection is built.

Martha is wonderfully curious, intelligent and brave, with a serious case of love for a man she has only experienced through letters. Her father’s protégé, the young inventor, now Duke of Roth, Jordan is determined to proceed through his discoveries and inventions alone. Until Martha arrives with her father’s final bequest, and a request to participate.

Jordan is wonderfully geeky in all the best ways, and a touch awkward, which does give poor Martha a bit of pause, but to work beside him, learning and watching his mind work, perhaps will lead to a chance. And their camaraderie is wonderful. These two have science and curiosity in common, and that with Martha’s father, give her a singular, even unique, approach and understanding of his work. The quiet unveiling of their histories and concerns, along with their likes and dislikes all serve their budding friendship, and builds the foundation for a true match. A wonderfully paced and plotted story that focuses more on the emotional connections and Sympatico of the characters than on a pure physical connection to show their affections. Emotional intimacy won the day in this story, and the sensual scenes were overlaid with flowery prose and euphemism that just fell flat for me. Overall, this was a wonderful story, memorable for all of the things it was, especially for the characters of Martha and Jordan.

I received an eArc copy of the title from the publisher via Edelweiss for purpose of honest review. I was not compensated for this review: all conclusions are my own responsibility.

Review first appeared at < I am, Indeed
...more

flag 3 likes · Like · see review

Apr 09, 2017 Jessica Grogan rated it really liked it

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here.

flag 3 likes · Like · see review

Mar 02, 2017 Lady Wesley rated it liked it · review of another edition

Review to follow at Romantic Historical Reviews.

flag 3 likes · Like · see review

Apr 10, 2017 Tarra rated it it was ok

I enjoyed the premise of this book at first. Two lonely, extremely bright characters coming together to try and build a torpedo. Not something I've read in a HR before. I actually liked the technical and the scientific aspect of this story. Jordan was an interesting character, wounded inside and out. Martha was a bluestocking through and through, who made no apologies for being a woman in a man's world.

The first half of this book was pretty good. The second half fell so flat. The characters beca ...more

flag 3 likes · Like · see review

May 26, 2017 SidneyKay rated it did not like it

Shelves: romance-1870s-endland

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. “This is like Déjà vu all over again.”

A few months ago I was musing over why Karen Ranney isn’t one of my auto-buys. I just might have stumbled across an answer to my pondering.

To say I was disappointed with Ranney’s latest book, The English Duke would be an understatement. Sure, sure, the story started out with a smart, savvy, strong heroine by the name of Martha. On top of that we have a stoic, manly, avoid-all-humans, scientist hero, Jordan Hamilton, the Duke of Roth. While the language in th “This is like Déjà vu all over again.”

A few months ago I was musing over why Karen Ranney isn’t one of my auto-buys. I just might have stumbled across an answer to my pondering.

To say I was disappointed with Ranney’s latest book, The English Duke would be an understatement. Sure, sure, the story started out with a smart, savvy, strong heroine by the name of Martha. On top of that we have a stoic, manly, avoid-all-humans, scientist hero, Jordan Hamilton, the Duke of Roth. While the language in the story may have been a little stilted, I thought – “Oh it will get better.” Then, because my brain is sooooo agile, I started noticing something. Something familiar. Ummm.

A pet peeve moment. I do not like becoming distracted by a sense of familiar. I don’t like it when I feel I should know someone I’m introduced to or that nagging sense of being in a place you think you've been in before or that book you just know you’ve read before. Why does this bother me? Because I have to find out just why something seems the same and when I do alllll that searching I am not focused on the book I’m holding in my hands. Well, my little Petunia’s, I started to have that feeling with this book. And before anyone says anything, it was not because allllll romance books are the same – they are not. No this was something else, something in the plotline. Something. Nagging. Ummm.

Our heroine has a terrible sister. A spoiled sister. A conniving sister. Our hero has a friend, a shady character. His friend is attracted to the horrible sister. They were in cahoots. They do hanky-panky – heavy on the hank. The secondary characters were so familiar. I knew I had read something similar before, but where? Was it possible that some other author was doing a little plagiarism? Then the light bulb went off. This secondary theme was almost an exact replica of the secondary theme from A Scandalous Scot written by – Karen Ranney. (And, by the way I know “exact replica” is redundant). Maybe if I had read the story in 2012 I might not have noticed the sameness, but I read A Scandalous Scot in January of this year. (I didn’t like the secondary characters then either). I was perplexed as to why these secondary stories were so similar. An author cannot plagiarize themselves can they? Nah – maybe – don’t know. But they can certainly reuse old ideas or become lazy. I was very disappointed when I found this recycled theme.

Not only was I treated to a reused secondary story, there was also a drugged hero having dream-sex with the heroine scene. Only it isn’t a dream. The evil conniving sister finds out her sister has had her first humpy-bumpy. She has a plan. I could see the writing on the wall, or at least the page. We were going to go down the sex mix-up-marriage-martyr road. The strong sister was going to be a martyr and the hero was going to be in angstville. And, the evil sister was not going to get her just deserts.

I could go no further. I closed the book. What a disappointment. My illusions have been shattered.
...more

flag 2 likes · Like · see review

Apr 11, 2017 Sharyn rated it it was ok

Shelves: audible-audiobook, historical-romance

First of all, this book has nothing to do with the first book in the series so I'm pretty sure all the "Duke" books can be read individually. Secondly, I really liked the first half of this book.

Martha York has been her father's technical assistant for years, her father being a developer of defense weapons for England and owner of an armaments company. After her father dies, Martha is determined to fulfill his last request - sharing his latest prototype for a torpedo ship with the Duke of Roth, First of all, this book has nothing to do with the first book in the series so I'm pretty sure all the "Duke" books can be read individually. Secondly, I really liked the first half of this book.

Martha York has been her father's technical assistant for years, her father being a developer of defense weapons for England and owner of an armaments company. After her father dies, Martha is determined to fulfill his last request - sharing his latest prototype for a torpedo ship with the Duke of Roth, a fellow defense enthusiast. However, her letters to Jordan Hamilton, the Duke, are completely ignored. So Martha decides to forge ahead and bring the prototype, along with her half sister and grandmother as chaperones, to the Duke's residence.

Jordan is not happy to see the group that descends upon his house because he has been recovering from a terrible accident that left him badly injured in one leg. He hates that he has to show himself as weak and limping with a walking stick. However, he is grudgingly courteous to the group and lets them stay, especially when Martha's grandmother becomes ill.

Jordan and Martha start to work together on the prototype and discover they have a lot in common. And, at this point, Martha's half sister, Josephine, decides she likes this magnificent house and would like the title of Duchess.

This is where the whole story goes downhill. An "incident" happens and suddenly Martha turns into a completely different person. Where before she was outspoken and brave and stood up for herself, she now becomes a meek, silent martyr who thinks about how sad the rest of her life is going to be since she can't be with Jordan and how she wishes things were different but oh she will remember these moments with him for the rest of her life. Over and over and over she says these thoughts to herself. For the entire second half of the book. And do you know how she could fix everything and get what she wants? Say something!! She has multiple opportunities to say what really happened during the incident but she doesn't! I actually don't know why I finished the book. I guess because I thought she would eventually find a backbone and speak up? But she never does. It is up to someone else to fix everything and get to the happy ending.

I listened to the Audible version of this and the narrator was great. It's not his fault I didn't like the story.

...more

flag 2 likes · Like · see review

Jun 27, 2017 Ang rated it it was ok · review of another edition

This was a tough one. Sometimes it's hard to read about characters who are so firmly victimized by those closest around them and you want to scream at them to do something about it! That was the case here...I would have snapped way before the heroine did. And the romance wasn't as compelling either - I did not feel the connection between them. I like this author, but this is not one of my favorites. ...more

flag 2 likes · Like · see review

Apr 13, 2017 Laura J. rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Three and a half stars.

The heroine's sister was such an unlikable character, she almost overshadowed the story of the hero and heroine. Jordan and Martha have a lot in common. They are both inventors, intelligent, don't suffer fools and are honourable to a fault. ...more

flag 2 likes · Like · see review

Apr 15, 2017 The Book Junkie Reads . . . rated it really liked it

Shelves: author_free_reads, review-requested, historical_regency_golden, blogtour, edelweiss

There is just something about a historical romance that gets me all warm and tingly inside. I love the whole façade of propriety and gentle sweetness and the forbidden being so delicious and delightful. Marth and Jordan build their relationship with the love of the work that they were both involved in. Martha was smart, sweet, strong, and had lots of determination. She loved her father and nurtured a fascination with a man she had never met before. Jordan was a duke but he was not a pretentious, ...more

flag 1 like · Like · see review

Mar 31, 2017 Carol Bisig rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Absolutely Awesome!

The Duke of Roth has a severely injured leg, causing him to limp, and have chronic pain. He is handsome as sin, a force to be reckoned with, he doesn't give into his pain. He is also a War Officer, and now inventor. The York family, wealthy beyond belief, the father's inventions were famous, that is how he met the Duke. His daughter Martha grew up following her father everywhere, and learning more about inventing, than playing the piano forte, or how to choose a dress. On the ...more

flag 1 like · Like · see review

Mar 31, 2017 Jan rated it it was amazing

Loved it!! Great buildup to love scenes between two very right-brained people.....already looking forward to this fall's release of 'The American Duke'. I love the way Ms. Ranney's love scenes are explicit without being explicit...does that make sense? She knows her readers have very good imaginations and she just sets the stage for my left brain to take over...... ...more

flag 1 like · Like · see review

Mar 29, 2017 Melissa McHugh rated it liked it

Shelves: owned, genre-historical-victorian

It would have been a five star until halfway through the book where it takes a ridiculous turn into farce

flag 1 like · Like · see review

Dec 30, 2017 Alexandria Tale rated it did not like it

Shelves: disappointing, e-book, english, reviewed, secret-love-plot, historical, novel, 1-star, rather-annoying-hero, awful-writing

All was so disturbing. The inner dialogue was just too much. And most of all, Josephine was such a bitch! I hate her very much. The fact that Martha thought of her as a sister was heartbreaking too. How could she do that? The reason was also so vague. I didn't understand why she hate her so much while Martha and her family had only been good to her. After Josephine went to grandmother to lie about her having sex with Jordan, I had enough of her. I skipped pages. She was so evil! What's annoying, ...more

flag 1 like · Like · see review

Dec 13, 2016 Isha Coleman rated it really liked it

Shelves: first-reads, edelweiss, night-owl-reviews

Karen Ranney turned geeky into sexy with The English Duke. Jordan proved a different type of hero with his scientific mind and sensitive soul. Ever the romantic, the fact that Martha was captivated by his words before ever having seen Jordan's face made for a beautiful story. The concept, the message, the characters all did it for me. Being unique is one of the best traits a person can have. Ms. Ranney gave a taste of beauty's true meaning. Just be you and everything will fall into place. Pricel ...more

flag 1 like · Like · see review

Jun 19, 2017 Bree rated it liked it

Shelves: historical-romance

3.5 Stars.

Really good premise with a genuinely likeable/relatable hero and heroine. Unfortunately the amount of storyline spent on Josephine, Martha's extremely selfish and dislikable sister, takes the focus away from our main characters too much for my liking and delivers a painfully drawn-out level of angst. I think it would have been better if the focus had remained on Jordon and Martha, further exploring their characters and natural chemistry. ...more

flag 1 like · Like · see review

Dec 10, 2019 ECReads rated it liked it

I Almost Got Too Frustrated With This Story

The plot was interesting, but I found myself exasperated at times by the lead characters. I believe characters need flaws, and I could appreciate Martha's desperate need for a backbone. However, she was way too wimpy when it mattered most, especially when it came to her little sister. Jordan had trouble discerning between honor and stupidity, weakly serving himself on a platter to the enemy.

Speaking of flaws, a couple of characters were utterly rotten. ...more

flag Like · see review

Nov 17, 2019 Juliewheatcox.Net rated it it was ok

I found little to redeem this book. However, if you have nothing else to read, the place descriptions were excellent and her characters well developed.

Martha was weak-willed and nearly destroyed Jordan’s life simply to avoid a scandal.

Her sister, Josephine, was a viper, and I got disgusted with her prominence in the story.

The male characters were well-written. Jordan being caught-up between his work and dealing with pain. His friend, Reese, as lacking in morals as Josephine.

Martha and Jordan we ...more

flag Like · see review

Aug 03, 2017 Carrie rated it really liked it

Shelves: romance, england, historical-fiction, victorian, mistaken-or-hidden-identity, military, disabled, half-stars, scientists

Ranney seems to pad out her books reiterating various things. The staff's opinion of Josephine is mentioned and then reworded a few pages later for the reader. Why not mention some other way she's a bitch instead of the same one.

Tags: Victorian - 1871; Military - Jordan served in the Navy for the Crimean War and worked some for the War Office; Disabled - Jordan severely injured his leg after being thrown from a horse and is still recovering a little over a year later. ...more

flag Like · see review

Jun 11, 2018 Sandy Frediani rated it really liked it

While at first this appears to be slow moving due to a fair amount of internal dialog by the main characters, it actually gives a depth to those characters that wouldn't be otherwise. Jordan and Martha are perfectly matched personality-wise, with a depth to them which isn't obvious to others. The story weaves a nice "tangled web" which leaves one anxious about the ending even though we know there "must" be a HEA. I enjoyed this. ...more

flag Like · see review

Jul 25, 2018 Elaine rated it liked it

Shelves: victorian, fave-authors

Oh dear, such a shame I didn't love this book. I think it must be the very first Karen Ranney book that
didn't make me feel wonderful.
I like the very start and the ending, but the middle was too scientific for me. I love to read about love, romance and the like, but there was just too little hearts and flowers for me.
Book 1, for me, was a far better story. Have got book 3 to read next. Here's hoping.
3☆ ...more

flag Like · see review

May 25, 2017 Marilyn rated it really liked it

Shelves: series-books, historical-fiction, 2017-books

A very good book that kept you wondering how it would end and who would end up with who.

flag Like · see review

Jun 12, 2017 E. R. rated it it was ok

Shelves: s-t

It was a nice book to read. Two characters definitely deserve each other. As for the one item near the end...it made me mad for a bit, but the epilogue eased the anger a little. Good book overall.

flag Like · see review

Jun 12, 2017 Mikka rated it liked it · review of another edition

very slow start, hated the sister

flag Like · see review

Jun 18, 2017 Oksana rated it it was amazing

All well that ends well....boy these two had such a despicable sister and friend....despite everything goodness prevailed.

flag Like · see review

« previous 1 2 3 next »

new topic
Discuss This Book

topics	posts	views	last activity
Sinopsis en Español // Synopsis in Spanish	1	1	Apr 26, 2017 12:04PM

Readers also enjoyed

See similar books…

Genres

Romance > Historical Romance

33 users

Romance

30 users

Historical

20 users

Historical > Historical Fiction

8 users

Historical > Regency

2 users

Historical > Victorian

2 users

Audiobook

2 users

Adult

2 users

European Literature > British Literature

2 users

See top shelves…

About Karen Ranney

Karen Ranney

903 followers

I’m a writer who’s been privileged to have attained the New York Times and USA Today Bestseller Lists.

Although I've primarily written historical romance, I've also written contemporary romantic suspense, a murder mystery, and I'm having a wonderful time writing about a vampire who is being challenged by her new state of being. (The Montgomery Chronicles: The Fertile Vampire and The Reluctant Godd ...more