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The Laws, Plato's longest dialogue, has for centuries been recognized as the most comprehensive exposition of the practical consequences of his philosophy, a necessary corrective to the more visionary and utopian Republic. In this animated encounter between a foreign philosopher and a powerful statesman, not only do we see reflected, in Plato's own thought, eternal questio ...more
Paperback, 576 pages
Published March 15th 1988 by University Of Chicago Press (first published -360)
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G.R. Reader
Oct 29, 2015 rated it liked it
And then, as time went on, the poets themselves introduced the reign of vulgar and lawless innovation. They were men of genius, but they had no perception of what is just and lawful in music; raging like Bacchanals and possessed with inordinate delights—mingling lamentations with hymns, and paeans with dithyrambs; imitating the sounds of the flute on the lyre, and making one general confusion; ignorantly affirming that music has no truth, and, whether good or bad, can only be judged of rightly b ...more
Coyle
Despite having been assigned it in my Classical Political Thought class, I only in the past few days finished reading Plato's Laws (apologies to Dr. Walsh). Which is a bit unfortunate, since it's bloody fantastic.



I confess to having had a bit of a "meh" relationship with Plato in the past. I mean, the number of his dialogues that I've actually enjoyed (as opposed to just kind of thinking they're okay) is pretty small- basically the Ion and maybe bits of Epistle VII. Sure, I've read and discussed
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Mina Soare
Dec 31, 2017 rated it really liked it
The one Plato work that makes for accessible, organised, reading

I have the greatest respect for Plato’s work and what it has meant for Western thought and Western culture. To my chagrin, Plato and the Socratic dialogues have proven hard to go through, if you are like me the sort who:
* sees an argument that looks strange
* picks it apart, because believes character is flippant
* works on refuting it for 5 minutes
* realises author is dead and can’t answer
* does a Tasmanian Devil impersonation

Howeve
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Garrett Cash
This mammoth work is one of Plato's most important, and not very widely read books. There's good reason for this, while there are important passages in this, the work is ultimately like reading an Ancient Greek version of Leviticus. In other words, it's really... really boring.
Levon
Jun 26, 2012 rated it liked it
The 3-star rating is an average of the ratings I would have given each of the twelve Books of the Laws if they were read separately.

Some flaws in the text:
- The Athenian Stranger leaves open very important facets of legislation, while thoroughly legislating much less pertinent ones.
- Heavy burden placed on assumptions of many kinds to do with human nature.
- Inherent counter-productive legislation (ie: legislation with a view to friendship, but allowing - nay, promoting - citizens to denounce on
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Tyler
Mar 28, 2018 rated it it was amazing
The Laws of Plato is not entirely laws. It is not entirely anything, really. It seems to be a nice collection of aphoristic sayings, wise and pithy truths, and overall a collection of legal requirements for a city whose regulation is the main focus of this work. Designing a city can be difficult, and whereas The Republic was largely metaphorical and none too practical, pragmatism is the design for this book. In addition to designing laws, Plato goes step-by-step and designs the arguments one sho ...more
Billie Pritchett
Mar 15, 2014 rated it did not like it
I'll open myself up for criticism and confess that I did not actually finish Plato's Laws. I made it all the way through Book VIII, then I started skimming, and when that proved just as boring, I went and looked at the secondary literature about the work. (There's a great summary at Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy in an entry titled "Plato on Utopia," available HERE.

Plato's Laws is a work written by Plato in his later years, when he's an old man. Interestingly, Plato had been, prior to writi
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Phillip
Feb 10, 2012 rated it really liked it
"The Laws of Plato" translated by Thomas Pangle is a difficult but amply worthwhile read. The volume contains a lengthy "Interpretive Essay", by the translator, that is so full of enthusiasm for "The Laws" that it is more pleasant reading than the translation itself. In fact, I would be tempted to recommend a new reader to read the "Interpretive Essay" before tackling the translation.

The "Interpretive Essay" increased my appreciation for this book that I have read a couple of times before in ano
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Cosmo
I had a hard time doing much with this text. It is rich, but I'll leave it to better minds than mine.

I'm going to stick to The Republic, Symposium, Phaedrus, Crito, the Apology, etc. If you want to figure out the Laws, good luck to you.
Alex
Mar 02, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: plato, greek, politics
I liked this more than the Republic. In fact, I'm not sure why the latter, and not this is Plato's signature work, though maybe I'm just outing myself as a pleb. It does revisit a lot of the same themes. The absence of Socrates is jarring, even to a casual reader, but I didn't mind. The Athenian, the Cretan, and the Spartan get straight to the point. There's no hair splitting framing device about the meaning of justice.

Magnesia will be located in Crete, and will strictly try to maintain its popu
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David Sarkies
Oct 18, 2016 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Plato's Dystopia
18 October 2016

For some reason when people think of Plato and government we seem to automatically jump to the though 'gee, what a wonderful idea' as if a Platonic government would actually be a good thing. The question that I raise is what if it isn't? What if this form of government that Plato outlines actually isn't all that good, or moreso what if it doesn't work. In a way it is a bit like the western reaction to Buddhism. For some reason the young and hip seem to love Buddhi
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Jairo Fraga
Jun 27, 2018 rated it liked it
Plato's longest and last book is somehow similar to his "Republic". Socrates is not present at this time, but the socialist/totalitarian project continues. On the other hand some things differ a little bit from the aforementioned work, with a little more respect for private property, even if only on quarrels between two persons (no state included).

Anyway, private property is still very relative for Plato ("Anyone buying or selling his allotted land or house must suffer the penalty appropriate to
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Volker Rivinius
Ce n'est pas "Les Lois" qui me réconciliera avec Platon. En plus, Socrate en est absent.

La meilleure partie de ce livre, c'est l'excellente introduction qu'Anissa Castel-Bouchouchi en a fait. A priori, on pourrait presque se passer de la lecture du reste.

Mettons que sur ces vieux jours, Platon tourne réactionnaire, voire totalitaire. Bien entendu, il y a certaines argumentations qui restent valables, mais il y en a trop qui ne le sont pas. Ce que propose Platon, c'est ce qu'il faudrait presque
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Julesmarie
Sep 06, 2018 rated it really liked it
Some Favorite Quotes:
for the fulfil the object of laws, which is to make those who use them happy

But how ought we to define courage? Is is to be regarded only as a combat against fears and pains, or also against desires and pleasures, and against flatteries

The soul of the child in his play should be guided to the love of that sort of excellence in which when he grows up to manhood he will have to be perfected.

Now I mean by education that training which is given by suitable habits to the first
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Lukerik
Dec 02, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: dialogue, philosophy
I love Plato, but I put off reading this for years because it just looked so dry. It isn't exactly dry. This may be down to the translation. I've looked into quite a few with a mixture of hope and horror. In the end I went for A E Taylor's (Everyman no. 275). Excellent introduction. The notes are sensible, if sparse, and many presuppose a knowledge of Greek. Still, I think it's worth trading off the notes for something readable. Taylor makes an effort to choose the word that isn't the dullest. I ...more
Salim Tamer
Bir çok konu ile ilgili kanun ve yasalardan bahsediyor, toplumu iyi ve güzele yönlendirmek için tüm yasalara ihtiyaç var.
Þróndr
While Plato’s Laws is not as evocative - nor as famous - as the Republic, it is nevertheless an important complement to it, and a fascinating read – and it is also in its own right a classic of political philosophy. Whether or not you agree with Saunders' statement (in his Introduction) that "Plato could perfectly well have written the Laws when he wrote the Republic", it will nevertheless be more or less apparent after reading both that (as he continues to say) "the one should not be read witho ...more
George Simopoulos
The last book of Plato indicates the progression of the writing style and the age of the author. The element of dialogue is limited in this book, and any dialogue that takes place, is non-vivid and without any contemplating effort. Most of the book is thus occupied by long monologues and law statements. Some of these statements are quite boring and only concern the age of Plato. Unfortunately, as this is his last work, Plato is old and his mind has become rigid and narrow-minded and conservative ...more
Bob Nichols
Plato’s ideal state in The Laws is modeled after the divine, immortal world. But could it be that its ultimate purpose is to promote entry into the divine world, that its purpose is not earthly happiness but a divine happiness based on virtue, which is knowledge of and respect for the “real” world, the eternal realm of the soul?

The primary substance is not material. It’s soul. Soul precedes matter and “is pre-eminently natural.” It is self-generating motion and “the source of all motions.” It mo
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Clint
Oct 30, 2012 rated it it was amazing
I literally got anxious toward the end because I thought he was about to answer the central question of the Meno (What is ‘Virtue’ (arete) as a whole; that is, what is it which is common to all virtues, such that we would say they are all Virtue) but he got around it again by saying that the Guardians of the Laws of this new city would be the ones who decided this after much intense labor and deliberation. But it’s interesting that he doesn’t say virtue comes from the gods, and is instead what i ...more
Riccardo
Dec 31, 2015 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: filosofici, greci
Platone qui tenta di educare il politico all'ideale di governo delineato nella "Repubblica". E dice che lo Stato veramente giusto non è quello governato da pochi o da molti, dai ricchi o dai poveri, accettato volontariamente o a forza: il vero governo è quello che sia retto da chi abbia scienza, la scienza dialettica delineata nella Repubblica.
Tuttavia Platone si rende conto che le riforme non si possono fare da un giorno all'altro e dal di fuori perciò sottolinea l'importanza di inserirsi nella
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Luke Echo
Plato's Laws is one sprawling mess of detail and theory all jumbled in together and periodically punctuated with 100 or so individual laws. Its quite an ordeal to read. I was rather determined though.

What can one learn from the Laws today? I really don't know. I think the starkest contrast for us today is the extent to which the individual is subordinated to the aims of the state. Also perhaps the enduring tension between the desire to regulate (every last thing) and the danger that it will dilu
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Kevin
Nov 15, 2012 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: philosophy
Plato's "The Laws" is not for the faint of heart. This book will definitely play with your mind and have you question a lot of ideas that we take for granted in Western Culture. The Laws can also be argued as a disillusionment of "The Republic," being that Plato came to the realization of "The Republic's" flaws after having been sold into slavery by a tyrant. However, the Laws are also a great extension of "The Republic" as Plato reiterates some of his ideas in "The Laws" in more detail

On a sid
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Alby Malka
Jul 02, 2013 rated it it was amazing
I think you can't understand this book without fully understand plato's republic. As I understand it, this is the "fixes" Plato did for his idea of the republic, interesting and deep thoughts of how the country should be managed after the first "try" didn't worked out.. Don't look at it as shallow as a totalitarian manifest, but observe the amazing way of thinking (which, like me, you don't have to agree with it)
Tony Gualtieri
Jan 29, 2016 rated it it was amazing
It's fascinating that Plato's final work abandons the lofty abstractions of The Symposium, Phædrus, and The Republic for a detailed legislative plan to establish a new colony in Crete. Socrates is absent as is the Theory of Forms. It's as if Plato chose to leave something concrete and practical as his last testament. Sadly, little of his literary art remains, especially in the latter half.
Khalil
Dec 06, 2013 added it
To the young man , reading Plato is like suicide or killing time ,specially if you have in your mind another great philosophers to read , e.g. Schopenhauer ,Heidegger and not to mention Wittgenstein. Just because I promised myself to read all his works , it does not mean that I will complete this Dialongue. Its too long to be called a dialogue , fortunately Plato died before completing this uninteresting one .
Heather
I'd like to be the sort of person who can quote Plato. But I don't think it's meant to be. I've never enjoyed reading philosophy much, and here, Plato is incredibly rigid and controlling. That's not remotely what I want in a society. Though, in the spirit of Plato and Socrates, I had better make sure that I think this opinion through XD
Saturnina
Dec 08, 2007 rated it it was ok
Shelves: philosophy
Not half as good as The Republic. I liked the beginning but then it just got incredibly boring and any philosophical gems were few and far between. If his students actually did do most of the work on the middle and the ending, that would definitely explain it. But then, poor Plato, didn't have too good students.
10001010001
Jun 30, 2015 rated it it was amazing
The most evil and sublime monster I have ever read. Rather than the other readings, growing like a mustard seed inside you throughout time, this one is a true monster. Bloody sun shall set, old men shall die -- and they shall see dreams in the last night, before the eternal night.
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