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حكايا محرمة في التوراة

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الناشر:
الجنس ، والعنف، الفضائح. هذه كلمات قلما قاربناها من النصوص المقدية في التوراة - الانجيل. إلا ان (جوناثان كيرتش) يقول لنا في هذا الكتاب المدهش أن العهد القديم مليء ببعض أكثر القصص ترويعاً وجلاء في الأدب الغربي...، كتمت بقوة السلطات الدينية طوال التاريخ لأنها قصص صادمة. ( هل تعني أن كل ذلك وارد في الانجيل؟) ... هذا هو السؤال الذي يمثل رد فعل القارئ المعاصر على القصص ا
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Paperback, 401 pages
Published 2005 by دار الكتاب العربي للنشر (first published 1997)
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Skylar Burris
Dec 29, 2007 Skylar Burris rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: judaism, bible
Forbidden Tales is worth reading if you are familiar enough with the Bible to know when you are being mislead and discerning enough to take away from it what few diamonds you can; at the very least, it is entertaining, easy reading. Although Kirch makes some good points and tells some interesting stories, at times his scholarship appears somewhat sloppy and his thesis somewhat suspect.

Kirsch explores those tales of the Bible that do not generally make it into the sermon illustrations of the ave
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Fahima Jaffar
Jan 25, 2011 Fahima Jaffar rated it it was ok
البحثُ مفيد لمن لم يطّلع على هذه الحكايا من قبل، لكنه لا يتجاوز عرضَها للقارئ وكأنها "كفشات" من النوع الذي تنشره صحف التابلويد. وكأن المؤلف يتلذذ باستعراض هذه الحكايا - أو اكتشافها ! - دونَ أن يتعمق في دراسة بنية التوراة.

رغم أن الكاتب يدّعي نزعَ القدسيّة عن التوراة، إلا أن بحثه يعزز هذه القدسية.
ذلك أنه يتجاوز عن إشكاليةٍ كبيرةٍ يطرحها الكتاب: كيف نقرأ التوراة؟

هل نقرؤها كأسطورة؟ إذن تفقدُ تلك "الحكايا المحرمة" لبوسها القدسيّ، لتستدعيَ قراءةً ميثولوجيةً وأنثروبولجيّةٍ للنصّ، لا محاكمةً أخلاقيةً كا
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Jewel K
Jan 24, 2010 Jewel K rated it it was ok
قصص لطالما كانت بين صفحات التوراة لكن السلطات الدينيه
كتمتها بقوه طوال التاريخ لانها قصص صادمه .. فاضحه عنيفه
غير مقبوله !!
هل لديك فضول لتعلم كيف ينظر اليهود الى الرب
والى الرسل !! أقرأ الكتاب بشرط ( الثقافه الدينيه العاليه
وان تكون فوق 20 سنه )
Moka Chan
Dec 20, 2013 Moka Chan rated it liked it


*هذا مش ريڤيوو*!!
حش في الكتاب :)

بدأت قراءة هذا الكتاب كنوع من الترفيه..
أظنني الآن عرفت قيمة كتب الإثارة الرخيصة... -برغم أن المحتوى ليس رخيصا
تماما-
لكن الفكرة نفسها..
فكرة الممنوع.. المبتذل والمخبئ لسنين!

دائما عندما أحاول تشجيع شخص ما على القراءة
فإنني غالبا ماأبحث عن كتاب مثير -مراعية الفئة العمرية والخلفية الدينية والإجتماعية له-
لاأريد أن ينتهي به الأمر إلى النفور من الكتب والقراءة
كثير من الأشخاص الذين حرضتهم على القراءة لم يقرأوا كتابا آخر -غير الذي قرأوه بتحريض مني-
تظنون أنني أعتبر هذا فشلا!؟
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NoraH
Apr 24, 2009 NoraH rated it liked it
قرأته منذ سنتين تقريباً
رأي لن يكون عن القصص التي وردت فهي بكل تأكيد لن تخلوا من التحريف
والتجاوزات في حق أنبيائنا عليهم السلام
لكن الترجمه كانت ممتازه جداً هذا الشيء الوحيد الذي شفع لها
ودفعني لاكماله حتى النهايه
Ted
Jul 30, 2014 Ted rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: home
Really brilliant book.

At first, I thought differently. Since I already know most of the stories, I found them to be fairly obvious, but that would not be true for someone not completely familiar with them. But what really got me were the commentaries in the subsequent chapters. So I skipped the retellings of the stories I know well and focused on the commentary. But the two stories from Judges that I wasn't as familiar with were expertly told and engaging.

At times, Kirsch strains credulity wit
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Michael Fishman
May 06, 2015 Michael Fishman rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This book was nothing breakthrough for me. But it most certainly was entertaining.

The book begins with the author discussing when he tried taking out the story of Noah and reading it to his children. He figured it was a nice Sunday school friendly story. But then he got to the end--the part where Noah got shitfaced and, eh, shamed by his middle son Ham. Whoa, he didn't see that coming.

I learned that story is second grade. Yes, my second grade teacher taught me about Noah getting drunk and parade
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Marsha
Here are stories ripped from the Bible: the naughty bits, including the scandalous stories about wayward women, desperate damsels and loose girls. Here are stories about the women who didn’t get names because they were meant as what? Cautionary examples? Figures of shame? Secret objects of pride and joy?

I like reading the Bible for these hidden tales, the ones that show the Bible is a HUMAN story not merely one about an omnipotent, omniscient and kindly (?) God. By fleshing out the often missin
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Kathleen Dixon
I really like the way Kirsch has fleshed out the stories that he is looking at in this book. The Bible doesn't waste any time looking at the emotional impact of anything, nor on the reasons people do what they do. Kirsch has done an excellent job of making sense of certain completely nonsensical texts. He does a fine job, as well, of setting the context. And he shows how the "God" that is portrayed throughout the Bible is very clearly a construct of the authors. Mind you, we all know that we hav ...more
Coleen Dailey
Jun 10, 2012 Coleen Dailey rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I really enjoyed this book. It discusses many stories that are not emphasized in everyday church lessons - and provides some alternative reasons for why these stories may have been written as they were. A good read for anyone but particularly someone interested in Bible stories and their origins.
Nojood Alsudairi
كنت هناك مع ابنتي و كنتِ هناك لتشتري كتب لمجموعتك. وشاء الله أن نلتقي و أن ندل بعضنا البعض على كتب لم نكن ننوي أن نشتريها و ننفق نقود لم نكن نريد إنفاقها و صدفة وقعنا على هذا الكتاب. أظن بأنك ستقرأينه قبلي بأرفف
Gamal Hasan
هذا الكتاب للأسف لم اكمله، لأنني شخص ارتكب اكبر الفظائع بالكتب، وهي خسارة الكثير منها. كنت مازلت في منتصفه بالتأكيد سأضطر لقراءته في وقت آخر عبر البي دي اف. اي وهو امر مرهق للعين. في الحقيقة بدا لي كتاب ممتع، و.
Mohamed  samy
Sep 10, 2015 Mohamed samy rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
صدمة
بكل موضوعية
وتجرد
كيف يتعامل اليهود والمسيحيين مع هذه المواضيع ؟
عرفت أن قديما كانوا يقرأونها باللغة التى لم يتحدثوها
أما الآن قيل فى الكتاب أن رجال الدين يتكتمون
!!!!!!!!
Abdulsattar
Jan 20, 2014 Abdulsattar rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
لم يصدمني ما قرأته عنهم
فكثير من أفعالهم تدل على هذا النمط من التفكير
David Sarkies
May 30, 2015 David Sarkies rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Nobody really
Recommended to David by: I saw it in a bookshop
Shelves: christian
A case study in taking the Bible out of context
20 November 2010

This is one of those so called scholarly works where the author approaches his thesis with preconceived ideas and prejudices and gets it completely wrong. It seems to also be one of these books where the author's intent is to deliberately undermine the authenticity of the Bible and the Christianity that Jesus taught by using his preconceived ideas (and modern biblical scholarship, normally performed by people who do not consider the
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دايس محمد
هذه إحدى القصص الواردة في الكتاب ، قصة يفتاح و ابنته سيلا !

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و كان يفتاح وحيدا ً بلا أم .. رأى أمه لمرة ٍ واحدة ٍ من بعيد و هي تمد يديها للمارة تمارس التسول بعد أن كانت كما قيل له ..: " عاهرة " .. لم يتبين ملامحها .. فظلمه أبوه و هو حي .. و ظلمه أخوته من أبيه و أمهم بعد موته .. و ظلمه قضاة بني إسرائيل .. ظلمه الرجال ذوو اللحى الفضية .!
هرب .. تزوج و أنجب فتاة ً وحيدة ً اسمها " سيلا " لا أحد يعرف عن أمها شيئا ً .. كوّن عصابة ً فأصبح قاتلا ً مأجورا ً و زعيم عصابة يغير على كل من راق له الإغارة عليه .
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Monica Lee
May 17, 2013 Monica Lee rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
These are Bible stories you'll rarely hear on Sunday mornings in church -- stories of incest, rape, mutilation and seduction.

Author Jonathan Kirsch tackles some of those rarely studied stories in "The Harlot by the Side of the Road: Forbidden Tales of the Bible."

Says Kirsch in his opening: "The stories that are retold here will come as a surprise to many readers precisely because, over the centuries, they have been suppressed by rabbis, priests and ministers uncomfortable with the candor of the
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Kaine Andrews
The title sounds quite provocative, doesn't it? Harlots!? In the Bible!? Why, yes. Plenty of them, in fact. Most people probably aren't aware just how much sin, iniquity, vice and general delinquency is in their favorite book of judgement and good news, I'd wager.

Those are the people this book is for. At least, those among that group who have a willingness to listen to some of the weirder and less "Christian" behaviors that some of those Biblical characters got up to. Unfortunately, that may be
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Adam
Dec 24, 2007 Adam rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
From Library Journal
Kirsch, an attorney and book critic, retells some of the juicier stories of the Bible in contemporary language. He expands upon the original biblical text to make the stories highly readable and includes with each the original text in modern translation and a brief sketch of the scholarly research and the speculation surrounding it. For those to whom Bible stories suggest "Disneyesque animals and simple uplifting moral lessons," this book may be a bit of a shock. Kirsch shows
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Jacqueline
Apr 08, 2016 Jacqueline rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I began to read this book for the obvious reason: the titillating exploration of naughty tales in the Torah: the "excuse me, what was that??" blink-and-you-missed-it exploits of Noah dancing naked in his vineyard; Lot's daughters creating children by him; patriarchs having more than one spouse, and more. Shoot, these are just the tip of the iceberg.

I continued enjoying *Harlot...* for more reasons: this book is now the text of my class on the topic, "The Bible Tells me No?!? Unbiblical behavior
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Althea Ann
Sep 26, 2013 Althea Ann rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Since I had just finished reading a fictional retelling of the story of the Biblical Dinah, I thought I'd move on to this book, which had been sitting on my shelf for a while. This book briefly retells a few of the more "scandalous" stories from the Bible (those involving rape, incest, murder, & such). The retellings are printed alongside the actual text of the original stories. Then, the author talks (at length) about the different possible translations and interpretations of these events, ...more
Amy
Jan 25, 2015 Amy rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
I had to read this book slowly because it is rather heavy and required a lot of thought and consideration. There are a lot of different ideas presented explaining the Biblical tales and to be honest I do not always accept the author's explanations but I believe he comes to them through logic and learning. And I believe the author invites you to determine whether to accept explanations offered or not or even suspend judgement, I appreciate that the author invites one to explore further. I love hi ...more
Bruce
Feb 06, 2011 Bruce rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: religious fundamentalists
If one has not read the bible this book might entice one to read it or at least portions thereof. The author has written short stories based on biblical text and places the biblical text in boxes once can read as one reads the short story. However that is only part of the book. The author then provides an analysis of the story and places it in context of the times while comparing it to other stories in the bible. These stories are those that "have been censored, banned, mistranslated or simply i ...more
CJ
May 31, 2008 CJ rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This book is a solidly researched book that retells and embellishes on some of the racier Old Testament stories. It doesn't add any smut or violence, though - the Old Testament is so jam packed with genocides, mass murders, rape, incest, human sacrifice (no, not the famous almost completed one featuring Isaac and Abraham, the completed one featuring Jephthah and the nameless daughter he sacrificed to God)and it needs nothing added to it to make it wholly over the top on the violence and sex scal ...more
Gerry Haines
Nov 07, 2011 Gerry Haines rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: biblical-study
This is the story behind the stories you read in the bible - a lot of them anyway !

The fact is that women in those days got a raw deal in many ways, yet women were sometimes able to play men at their own game and still come out on top. Many women in the Bible are featured here, we get to meet Ruth and Tamar and many others, but we also get an insight into the culture that produced the Bible, and as we unravel each tale, we find more than meets the eye.

Yes, it is a challenging book to read, comin
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Paula
Mar 21, 2013 Paula rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Paula by: The Rev Houston Hall
Shelves: christianity
Our church is using this text for a book study. Quite a different take on most people's traditional view of the Old Testament. Reminds me a lot of Liz Curtis Higgs Bad Girls of the Bible. Most people do not really realize that the Bible is filled with very human stories, and sometimes to our modern eye, very barbaric and shocking tales. This book conveys that God takes very flawed people, including and maybe especially the matriarchs and patriarchs, and uses them for God's loving purposes.

I esp
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Kathryn
Jan 02, 2009 Kathryn rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This book tells the stories from the Bible that aren't typically learned in Sunday school or preached from the pulpit. They are there in the Bible, but are either morally conflicting, or so violent that no one really talks about them because we aren't really sure what is the point to the story.
Kirsch began this book after reading to his then 5 year old son and realizing that there were things he didn't or couldn't read to his son, as he was unsure of how to explain some texts. Kirsch has unrave
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Mark
Jan 09, 2015 Mark rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
I would have liked this book more if I'd read it prior to/concurrently with the Bible, rather than after. The book goes over several of the more troubling and shocking biblical stories (the kind that elicit 'is that in the Bible?'). I'd already been troubled and shocked by all of them though.

The book covers 16 of the strangest stories. Each chapter opens with the author's modernized retelling of the story followed by dense and thoroughly researched exegesis spanning several different lines of sc
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Laurie
Dec 20, 2007 Laurie rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I read this book a few years ago and it has really stuck with me. The footnotes and quotes are great for putting the stories in context. If you have ever pondered "who decided the stories that went into the bible" or "after Sodom and Gomorrah were burned, how did civilization in that part of the world continue?" or any question like that, then I recommend this book. Women played a pivotal role in history and these back stories and historical setting really show that. Part fact, part something el ...more
Malwae
Jan 01, 2015 Malwae rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: history
If you didn't happen to grow up in a religion that really makes you read the Bible (like, all of it), this is a handy book for summarizing some of the more obscure and morally sketchy episodes, especially from the Old Testament. They are moderately interesting, but are really mostly entertaining as back story when listening to contemporary evangelical political types nattering on about God and family values.

If you did grow up in one of those religions, it looses its shock value, but it still has
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