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3.18  ·  Rating details ·  3,316 ratings  ·  673 reviews
Caleb Carr, #1 New York Times bestselling author of The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness, returns with a contemporary, edge-of-your-seat thriller featuring Dr. Trajan Jones, a criminal psychologist—and the world’s leading expert on the life and work of one Dr. Laszlo Kreizler, the hero of The Alienist, in whose brilliant but unconventional footsteps he follows.

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ebook, 624 pages
Published August 23rd 2016 by Random House (first published 2016)
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Sara
I know what you're thinking. Where oh where can I possibly find pages and pages and pages of information on how to rehabilitate a captive cheetah and turn it into a house cat? How will I possibly learn all there is to know about caring for, medicating, walking, and familiarizing my cheetah with my neighbors? Is there possibly some writer out there who has cleverly disguised an in depth guide to cheetah care inside an epic police procedural!?

Well wonder no more cheetah fans! Caleb Carr that one t
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Anne
DNF @ 25%, which is over 150 pages. I’m not going to give a rating, although I’d only give one star if I rated the portion that I did manage to choke down.

The language in this book is just so high-falutin' and obsessed with its own pomposity.

"I understand your desire to get us out of here before your various superiors arrive. Particularly if they are being accompanied by any members of the media."

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It’s also pedantic and scholarly when it least needs to be, and gives lectures on things that are im
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Althea Ann
Nov 08, 2016 rated it did not like it
But... I LOVED 'The Alienist'!

Seriously considered DNF-ing this one at around 23%, but the problem is, it's a mystery. Even when a mystery isn't very compelling, one really kind of wants to find out who dunnit. I shouldn't have bothered continuing. GIANT SPOILER (view spoiler) What a rip-off.

OK, this is a sequel, of sorts, to 'The Alienist' and 'The Angel of Darkness.' However, it's contemporary, rather than being set in the 19th century. It took
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Fred Shaw
Jan 03, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I truly enjoyed this book as much as I did Caleb Carr's first, "the Alienist". This novel is about "throwaway children" who commit suicide, after they had been abandoned by their parents and left to fend for themselves. Their bodies however are arranged to look like they were murdered. The State of New York tries to cover the abandonments up by calling the deaths serial killer related. Outcast and snubbed by NYC police, but truly feared criminologists, Drs. Jones and Li, following the cases try ...more
Rob
Jul 17, 2016 rated it did not like it
Surrender, New York. (2016)
By Caleb Carr.
Penguin Random House, 624 pages.
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There’s no reason to mince words: Surrender, New York is a failed novel—at least in the non-proofed advance copy I read. It won't happen, but Penguin ought to delay release of this book, assign a stern developmental editor, and advise author Caleb Carr to excise a few hundred pages and rework some head-scratching and totally unbelievable detail. It pains me to say this, because two of Carr’s previous novels—The Alienist (1
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Tom Swift
Jun 28, 2016 rated it it was ok
It is never a good sign when you start thinking about what you're going to read next when you are only on page 100. Carr is the author of The Alienist, which was very good. He misses the mark here.
Stephanie Graham Pina
Aug 28, 2016 rated it it was amazing
Surrender, New York is an intricate and weighty book. I get the sense that some negative reviewers are turned off by the complexity of Carr's writing and might be disappointed if they are comparing this story to The Alienist. This is not a Laszlo Kreizler book (to expect it to be is unfair), rather it is a look at how Kreizler's work can used in our modern age, an age in which television shows featuring forensics and crime scene investigations can be found on almost every channel. It also explor ...more
Melissa
Jun 23, 2016 rated it did not like it
So disappointed by the writing in this novel. Caleb Carr was amazing in *The Alienist.* I wasn't able to finish *Angel of Darkness* or this latest novel. I felt like I was walking through quicksand, watching paint dry and watching grass grow all at the same time. As the main characters entered the trailer to investigate the initial murder, it took them pages and pages just to get through the first room. Reading *Bag of Bones* by Stephen King was much the same. "And then I took another breath. An ...more
Christine Roberts
Thanks to NetGalley, Caleb Carr, and Random House for an ARC of this novel in exchange for an honest review.

I loved "The Alienist". Carr's "Surrender, New York" is an "Alienist" in modern times, and it just does not flow and inspire the way "Alienist" did. I had high hopes, and sadly this time I was disappointed.

This novel felt sluggish, and monotonous.

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Cathy Cole
Jul 02, 2016 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: dnf
I loved Caleb Carr's books The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness, so I was thrilled to see that he'd written another mystery. (Thank you, Net Galley, for your digital ARC of Surrender, New York).

Unfortunately, try as I might, I had to stop reading this book. Weighing in at over 600 pages, there might be a good 300-page mystery in there, but I lost the will to find it. It suffers from a fatal case of B&M (bloat and the meanders). Carr seems to have never met a tangent he didn't want to follo
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Agnes
Sep 25, 2016 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
What a hot load of garbage.

I can't help but wonder if Michael Connelly's very positive NYT book reviews had something to do with Dr Jones being the embodiment of a very particular kind of male fantasy.

I feel like the book's only saving grace was that the plot had good bones. It was an interesting and compelling mystery.

Unfortunately it can't be saved by that detail alone. The prioritization of telling over showing! The ellipses! The borderline racism and subtle misogyny!

This book is like a r
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Alexw
Feb 04, 2019 rated it it was amazing
Another great who done it by Caleb Carr with the cops as buffoons and many twists and turns but the boss in charge of the evil was NOT caught which means another sequel-HOORAY !! -I look forward to getting the next sequel
SueSyo
Oct 23, 2016 rated it did not like it
This may be the worst book I ever read. Loved the Alienist. Surrender, NY was DREADFUL Here's why:

1 - I actually don't believe Carr even wrote Surrender, NY. I think it must have been a ghost writer to build him a late-in-life retirement nest egg, propelled by earlier success of Alienist. It was written like a mass market throwaway (the word "throwaway" must have appeared 200+ times in the book too). This book defines no-effort "mailing it in".

2 - It was written as though the teacher said you mu
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Beth K.
Oct 10, 2016 rated it did not like it
I'm so relieved to be finished with this book that I don't even want to spend an additional 15 mintues with it writing a review.
Sarah
Mar 20, 2017 rated it did not like it
Don't make the mistake I made and ignore all of the one-star reviews of this book because you loved The Alienist. Just read The Alienist again, which is a very good book that holds up well. Carr must have gotten kicked in the head by an angry mule at some point in the past 25 years, because this book is TERRIBLE. I'm actually amazed it got published.

It starts off with the ostensible hero of the book railing against forensic science for several pages, which IMO is rather like having a protagonis
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Jeanne
May 07, 2016 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: netgalley
Once again Caleb Carr brings you to his world unlike any other. Flawed characters all but each aware of their flaws and face them head on. That's not to say they deal with them. Besides Mike and LT, Marciella, Luther, Grace, Mitch etc compliment every turn the story takes. This is not a book to skim over parts for every bit is part of the total work of art
Liz
May 19, 2016 rated it it was ok
Shelves: netgalley

In a world where every other tv show seems to be about forensic science, here comes a book that talks about how faulty that science can be. Or, I should say, how the science can be manipulated for the wrong purpose. This book starts off well but goes downhill.

Carr is a detailed writer. When he describes a place, you can envision it clearly. And I love his initial descriptions of people. You truly get a feel for who you're dealing with. That said, sometimes the scenes drag on and you start think
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Jennybeast
I eagerly awaited Caleb Carr's new book, but have had to put it down. While I love his consistently 19th century storytelling style, it is weirdly jarring with a more contemporary set of characters. I keep expecting time travel (it's possible that happens later in the book, but I doubt it), and the plodding pace, with digressions into local history, is less atmospheric and more just... tangential.

The reason I stopped reading it, however, is that I grew so annoyed with the deep arrogance of the
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Jerry
May 10, 2016 rated it it was ok
A bit of a disappointment in my opinion compared to his earlier novels. I had one of the perpetrators figured out early on, so reading the rest of the book was just an exercise in (im)patience to get to that point where the author FINALLY and EXHAUSTINGLY revealed who it was in the plot. The storyline kept jumping around, too, so at times it was like finding myself in the middle of a completely different book. And while a little profanity doesn't normally bother me, the excessive use of the F-bo ...more
L. G.
Aug 29, 2016 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
A disappointment

I will confess that when I saw this book was out on Kindle I immediately rushed to buy. I like the Alienist and it's sequel and I looked forward to this one . What a disappointment. Most of the book seems to be a third-rate discussion on the horrors of forensic science combined with his theories on post-ndustrial American decline . At various times I found myself thinking, " will you just get to the darn story." He takes entirely too much time with these useless side-trips. I soo
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Gina
Sep 27, 2016 rated it did not like it
Shelves: mystery, wall-banger
DNF at 200 pages. I can't believe I'm DNF'ing this, but I just can't read any more.

The Alienist (Carr's first) is one of my all time favorite books - 5 stars and I frequently recommend it to others. The Angel of Darkness, follow up to The Alienist, a solid 4 stars. I even gave 4 stars to Killing Time even though it is universally disliked by all but me (a 2.76 average rating). I'm not going to spend time picking this apart, as it will just make me more sad. However, I can't help but wonder wher
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Beth
Apr 27, 2016 rated it it was ok
I had a very hard time with this book. I think the author has taken the prose of The Alienist and tried to force it into a more contemporary backdrop. The story itself was very convoluted and the extreme use of profanity did nothing but detract from the story. The only character I liked was Marcianna, Trajan Jones' "rare African hunting dog". It just didn't work for me.
Anne Pusey Roberts
Oct 08, 2016 rated it did not like it
Pompous and misogynistic. No real plot.
Al
Oct 02, 2016 rated it did not like it
What's a good recipe for a DNF book? Start with the prospect of 591 dense pages. Devise an opening scene in which the most exciting thing happening is the protagonist being frightened by a rabid raccoon. Write it in a turgid, clunky first-person style. Mix it with tin-eared, unrealistic dialogue uttered by uninteresting characters. Then season it with pedantic observations on the state of present-day criminal forensics, and a sophomoric competition between rival observers of a pathetic, depress ...more
Jason
May 20, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A harrowing look at the "throwaway children" epidemic and the psychological affects of that epidemic on the children involved, all rolled into a fascinating novel involving conspiracy, on line classes, death, suspense, and a cheetah (which by the way has an absolutely beautiful moment in the book that will reduce you to tears). Follow LT and Mike through a labyrinth of deceptions and political posturing as they try to unravel the mystery of 4 suspicious deaths. Tautly written, with great psychol ...more
Louize
May 04, 2016 rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Maria
Shelves: 2016, arc
Ambitious and brave. I expect nothing less from a Caleb Carr novel.
I highly recommend this.

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Steven Z.
Dec 03, 2016 rated it it was amazing
For those who enjoyed Caleb Carr’s THE ALIENIST and THE ANGEL OF DARKNESS his latest effort is something to look forward to. It takes place up in the Taconic area of New York state called Surrender, hence the title SURRENDER, NEW YORK. The novel’s narrator is Dr. Trajan Jones, a former criminal psychologist and profiler for the NYPD, who suffers from the effects of childhood osteosarcoma that forces him to be bent over while working on his online forensic course that he teaches for SUNY Albany w ...more
Elizabeth
Sep 16, 2016 rated it it was ok
Shelves: mysteries
I had really wanted to like this book. The Alienist is one of my favourite books, and the way Carr used language, context, history, and his own imagination to blend a fantastic and intriguing novel was so engaging. I had hoped he would be doing the same here, in Surrender. Sadly, something went awry, and this book... Well, first off, I think it would have benefited from a more stringent editor who could have easily cut say 100 pages out of it - there are only so many times I need to hear the sam ...more
B J
Sep 05, 2016 rated it liked it
This is my first Caleb Carr novel to read and i was very pleased except for the length of the book which in mho was unnecessary. Many current socio-political issues are addressed in this book from foster children, truth in politics, and government, to name a few.

The story is that of a multiple murders with a wonderful inside view of the forensic science involved. The politics and bureaucracy that infiltrates our government and lives, with a thrown in romance that complicates some of the investi
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Debbie Sweeney
Nov 12, 2017 rated it really liked it
Whether or not the reader will like this book depends on a couple of things. The first is how much the reader likes Caleb Carr. The second is what the reader read just prior to this book-if it was something on the fluffy side, it may take some time to get used to his style of writing-suffice to say it is NOT fluffy. It took me approximately 100 pages to determine if I would continue, but because it was Caleb Carr, I knew to give it time-and I am so glad I did. It had, as usual, excellent real li ...more
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Caleb Carr is an American novelist and military historian. The son of Lucien Carr, a former UPI editor and a key Beat generation figure, he was born in Manhattan and lived for much of his life on the Lower East Side. He attended Kenyon College and New York University, earning a B.A. in military and diplomatic history. He is a contributing editor of MHQ: The Quarterly Journal of Military History an ...more
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“But my cognitive brain fought back hard, telling me that I knew these scenarios were unlikely, that whatever rationalizations she might have for the staging of the four deaths we knew of, to say nothing of her manipulations of other people, including me, would prove inadequate. I even tried the habit that Mike and I consistently warned our students against, listening to my gut; but all my gut told me was that I had fallen in love with a girl who had brought me out of years of torment, however briefly, yet who was still involved in something beyond shady. Had it not been me, had it been just another actor in a different case, I would have called the behavior common enough. But it didn’t feel common; not from the inside…” 1 likes
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