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Caleb Carr, #1 New York Times bestselling author of The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness, returns with a contemporary, edge-of-your-seat thriller featuring Dr. Trajan Jones, a criminal psychologist—and the world’s leading expert on the life and work of one Dr. Laszlo Kreizler, the hero of The Alienist, in whose brilliant but unconventional footsteps he follows.

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ebook, 624 pages
Published August 23rd 2016 by Random House (first published 2016)
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ARCs (Advanced Reader Copies) are given with the understanding and intent that they will be reviewed. That's WHY they are given.

I have gotten many ARCs from publishers and Goodreads and they are given with the intent to be reviewed.

The people reviewing the book based off ARC copies are doing nothing wrong. People who get ARCs are not, after reading the ARC, then expected to buy and read (for a second time) the final before reviewing. They review after reading the ARC, that's how it works. That's what many people who are given ARCs are told to do!

And really, often, not much changes in a major way from ARC to final copy. I have gotten ARCs that when checked against the final are nearly identical. I see that this book is published by Random House, a big name publisher. Odds are their ARC is very close to the final copy. Not identical, but close. Which means issues with tone, plot, characterization that people have in the ARC, will be there in the final. Usually they change a few things around, fix some typos, but rarely are whole characters, plots or large chunks of pages added or removed.

Edit: I will say that if the main or only issue people have are typos, then your criticism of their low reviews is a little more valid, in that one should read an ARC with the understanding the spelling and grammar mistakes may be there. I've read ARCs with typos and other errors and never factor that into my ratings/reviews. I do factor plot, characterization and other things, though. So, if most of the low rated reviews are about plot, characters and other things, then I think their criticism is valid.

The only stipulation some (not all) ARCs state is that you either wait until publish date or you check quoted text against the final if you're going to use quotes in your review. But there are many ARCs given that don't stipulate anything, just that you read and review it.

If the author or publisher is concerned about ARC reviews causing problems, then perhaps they should not have given them out. ARCs can either work in your favor or not. But if they don't, it's not the reviewers fault for not liking the book.

And besides, these early reviews will eventually be lost among others, when the book is published and more read it. I've seen it before. Poor and low early reviews, then it evens out to 4 stars once the book is published. There's also the possibility that this just isn't a good or likable book and no version read will help that. That happens. *shrug* (less)

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Sara
I know what you're thinking. Where oh where can I possibly find pages and pages and pages of information on how to rehabilitate a captive cheetah and turn it into a house cat? How will I possibly learn all there is to know about caring for, medicating, walking, and familiarizing my cheetah with my neighbors? Is there possibly some writer out there who has cleverly disguised an in depth guide to cheetah care inside an epic police procedural!?

Well wonder no more cheetah fans! Caleb Carr that one t
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Anne
DNF @ 25%, which is over 150 pages. I’m not going to give a rating, although I’d only give one star if I rated the portion that I did manage to choke down.

The language in this book is just so high-falutin' and obsessed with its own pomposity.

"I understand your desire to get us out of here before your various superiors arrive. Particularly if they are being accompanied by any members of the media."

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It’s also pedantic and scholarly when it least needs to be, and gives lectures on things that are i
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Althea Ann
Nov 08, 2016 rated it did not like it
But... I LOVED 'The Alienist'!

Seriously considered DNF-ing this one at around 23%, but the problem is, it's a mystery. Even when a mystery isn't very compelling, one really kind of wants to find out who dunnit. I shouldn't have bothered continuing. GIANT SPOILER (view spoiler) What a rip-off.

OK, this is a sequel, of sorts, to 'The Alienist' and 'The Angel of Darkness.' However, it's contemporary, rather than being set in the 19th century. It took
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Fred Shaw
Jan 03, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I truly enjoyed this book as much as I did Caleb Carr's first, "the Alienist". This novel is about "throwaway children" who commit suicide, after they had been abandoned by their parents and left to fend for themselves. Their bodies however are arranged to look like they were murdered. The State of New York tries to cover the abandonments up by calling the deaths serial killer related. Outcast and snubbed by NYC police, but truly feared criminologists, Drs. Jones and Li, following the cases try ...more
Rob
Jul 17, 2016 rated it did not like it
Surrender, New York. (2016)
By Caleb Carr.
Penguin Random House, 624 pages.
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There’s no reason to mince words: Surrender, New York is a failed novel—at least in the non-proofed advance copy I read. It won't happen, but Penguin ought to delay release of this book, assign a stern developmental editor, and advise author Caleb Carr to excise a few hundred pages and rework some head-scratching and totally unbelievable detail. It pains me to say this, because two of Carr’s previous novels—The Alienist (1
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Tom S
Jun 28, 2016 rated it it was ok
It is never a good sign when you start thinking about what you're going to read next when you are only on page 100. Carr is the author of The Alienist, which was very good. He misses the mark here. ...more
Melissa
Jun 23, 2016 rated it did not like it
So disappointed by the writing in this novel. Caleb Carr was amazing in *The Alienist.* I wasn't able to finish *Angel of Darkness* or this latest novel. I felt like I was walking through quicksand, watching paint dry and watching grass grow all at the same time. As the main characters entered the trailer to investigate the initial murder, it took them pages and pages just to get through the first room. Reading *Bag of Bones* by Stephen King was much the same. "And then I took another breath. An ...more
SueSyo
Oct 23, 2016 rated it did not like it
This may be the worst book I ever read. Loved the Alienist. Surrender, NY was DREADFUL Here's why:

1 - I actually don't believe Carr even wrote Surrender, NY. I think it must have been a ghost writer to build him a late-in-life retirement nest egg, propelled by earlier success of Alienist. It was written like a mass market throwaway (the word "throwaway" must have appeared 200+ times in the book too). This book defines no-effort "mailing it in".

2 - It was written as though the teacher said you mu
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Christine Roberts
Thanks to NetGalley, Caleb Carr, and Random House for an ARC of this novel in exchange for an honest review.

I loved "The Alienist". Carr's "Surrender, New York" is an "Alienist" in modern times, and it just does not flow and inspire the way "Alienist" did. I had high hopes, and sadly this time I was disappointed.

This novel felt sluggish, and monotonous.

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Beth K.
Oct 10, 2016 rated it did not like it
I'm so relieved to be finished with this book that I don't even want to spend an additional 15 mintues with it writing a review. ...more
Lars Jerlach
Sep 12, 2020 rated it did not like it
DNF
After this atrocious piece of writing you seriously have to wonder if Caleb Carr actually wrote The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness?
I only got about three chapters into this book, but I could write pages about the inconsistencies in narrative, the feeble plot, the flawed unlikable character descriptions etc. However, I will spare you the trouble and just let you know that the Surrender, New York is an awful book that is best left on the shelf.
Cathy Cole
Jul 02, 2016 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: dnf
I loved Caleb Carr's books The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness, so I was thrilled to see that he'd written another mystery. (Thank you, Net Galley, for your digital ARC of Surrender, New York).

Unfortunately, try as I might, I had to stop reading this book. Weighing in at over 600 pages, there might be a good 300-page mystery in there, but I lost the will to find it. It suffers from a fatal case of B&M (bloat and the meanders). Carr seems to have never met a tangent he didn't want to follow; i
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Agnes
Sep 25, 2016 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
What a hot load of garbage.

I can't help but wonder if Michael Connelly's very positive NYT book reviews had something to do with Dr Jones being the embodiment of a very particular kind of male fantasy.

I feel like the book's only saving grace was that the plot had good bones. It was an interesting and compelling mystery.

Unfortunately it can't be saved by that detail alone. The prioritization of telling over showing! The ellipses! The borderline racism and subtle misogyny!

This book is like a r
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Sarah
Mar 20, 2017 rated it did not like it
Don't make the mistake I made and ignore all of the one-star reviews of this book because you loved The Alienist. Just read The Alienist again, which is a very good book that holds up well. Carr must have gotten kicked in the head by an angry mule at some point in the past 25 years, because this book is TERRIBLE. I'm actually amazed it got published.

It starts off with the ostensible hero of the book railing against forensic science for several pages, which IMO is rather like having a protagonis
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Alexw
Feb 04, 2019 rated it it was amazing
Another great who done it by Caleb Carr with the cops as buffoons and many twists and turns but the boss in charge of the evil was NOT caught which means another sequel-HOORAY !! -I look forward to getting the next sequel
Jeanne
May 07, 2016 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: netgalley
Once again Caleb Carr brings you to his world unlike any other. Flawed characters all but each aware of their flaws and face them head on. That's not to say they deal with them. Besides Mike and LT, Marciella, Luther, Grace, Mitch etc compliment every turn the story takes. This is not a book to skim over parts for every bit is part of the total work of art ...more
Al
Oct 02, 2016 rated it did not like it
What's a good recipe for a DNF book? Start with the prospect of 591 dense pages. Devise an opening scene in which the most exciting thing happening is the protagonist being frightened by a rabid raccoon. Write it in a turgid, clunky first-person style. Mix it with tin-eared, unrealistic dialogue uttered by uninteresting characters. Then season it with pedantic observations on the state of present-day criminal forensics, and a sophomoric competition between rival observers of a pathetic, depress ...more
Gina
Sep 27, 2016 rated it did not like it
Shelves: mystery, wall-banger
DNF at 200 pages. I can't believe I'm DNF'ing this, but I just can't read any more.

The Alienist (Carr's first) is one of my all time favorite books - 5 stars and I frequently recommend it to others. The Angel of Darkness, follow up to The Alienist, a solid 4 stars. I even gave 4 stars to Killing Time even though it is universally disliked by all but me (a 2.76 average rating). I'm not going to spend time picking this apart, as it will just make me more sad. However, I can't help but wonder wher
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Jason
May 20, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A harrowing look at the "throwaway children" epidemic and the psychological affects of that epidemic on the children involved, all rolled into a fascinating novel involving conspiracy, on line classes, death, suspense, and a cheetah (which by the way has an absolutely beautiful moment in the book that will reduce you to tears). Follow LT and Mike through a labyrinth of deceptions and political posturing as they try to unravel the mystery of 4 suspicious deaths. Tautly written, with great psychol ...more
Liz
May 19, 2016 rated it it was ok
Shelves: netgalley

In a world where every other tv show seems to be about forensic science, here comes a book that talks about how faulty that science can be. Or, I should say, how the science can be manipulated for the wrong purpose. This book starts off well but goes downhill.

Carr is a detailed writer. When he describes a place, you can envision it clearly. And I love his initial descriptions of people. You truly get a feel for who you're dealing with. That said, sometimes the scenes drag on and you start think
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Jennybeast
I eagerly awaited Caleb Carr's new book, but have had to put it down. While I love his consistently 19th century storytelling style, it is weirdly jarring with a more contemporary set of characters. I keep expecting time travel (it's possible that happens later in the book, but I doubt it), and the plodding pace, with digressions into local history, is less atmospheric and more just... tangential.

The reason I stopped reading it, however, is that I grew so annoyed with the deep arrogance of the
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L. G.
Aug 29, 2016 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
A disappointment

I will confess that when I saw this book was out on Kindle I immediately rushed to buy. I like the Alienist and it's sequel and I looked forward to this one . What a disappointment. Most of the book seems to be a third-rate discussion on the horrors of forensic science combined with his theories on post-ndustrial American decline . At various times I found myself thinking, " will you just get to the darn story." He takes entirely too much time with these useless side-trips. I soo
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Louize
May 04, 2016 rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Maria
Shelves: arc, 2016
Ambitious and brave. I expect nothing less from a Caleb Carr novel.
I highly recommend this.

Read more from The Page Walker.

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Anne Pusey Roberts
Oct 08, 2016 rated it did not like it
Pompous and misogynistic. No real plot.
Steven Z.
Dec 03, 2016 rated it it was amazing
For those who enjoyed Caleb Carr’s THE ALIENIST and THE ANGEL OF DARKNESS his latest effort is something to look forward to. It takes place up in the Taconic area of New York state called Surrender, hence the title SURRENDER, NEW YORK. The novel’s narrator is Dr. Trajan Jones, a former criminal psychologist and profiler for the NYPD, who suffers from the effects of childhood osteosarcoma that forces him to be bent over while working on his online forensic course that he teaches for SUNY Albany w ...more
Beth
Apr 27, 2016 rated it it was ok
I had a very hard time with this book. I think the author has taken the prose of The Alienist and tried to force it into a more contemporary backdrop. The story itself was very convoluted and the extreme use of profanity did nothing but detract from the story. The only character I liked was Marcianna, Trajan Jones' "rare African hunting dog". It just didn't work for me. ...more
Elizabeth
Sep 16, 2016 rated it it was ok
Shelves: mysteries
I had really wanted to like this book. The Alienist is one of my favourite books, and the way Carr used language, context, history, and his own imagination to blend a fantastic and intriguing novel was so engaging. I had hoped he would be doing the same here, in Surrender. Sadly, something went awry, and this book... Well, first off, I think it would have benefited from a more stringent editor who could have easily cut say 100 pages out of it - there are only so many times I need to hear the sam ...more
B J
Sep 05, 2016 rated it liked it
This is my first Caleb Carr novel to read and i was very pleased except for the length of the book which in mho was unnecessary. Many current socio-political issues are addressed in this book from foster children, truth in politics, and government, to name a few.

The story is that of a multiple murders with a wonderful inside view of the forensic science involved. The politics and bureaucracy that infiltrates our government and lives, with a thrown in romance that complicates some of the investi
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Debbie
Nov 12, 2017 rated it really liked it
Whether or not the reader will like this book depends on a couple of things. The first is how much the reader likes Caleb Carr. The second is what the reader read just prior to this book-if it was something on the fluffy side, it may take some time to get used to his style of writing-suffice to say it is NOT fluffy. It took me approximately 100 pages to determine if I would continue, but because it was Caleb Carr, I knew to give it time-and I am so glad I did. It had, as usual, excellent real li ...more
Marita
Sep 26, 2016 rated it did not like it
Loved The Alienist. I was looking forward to this book. The NYTimes gave it a glowing review.
DO NOT bother to start this book! Long, repetitive, outrageous, unbelievable incidents wrapped around a serious topic.
I haven't put a book down 1/2 way through in a long time! Angry to think how much time I wasted on it.
The NYTimes reviewer must be a friend of the author.
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Caleb Carr is an American novelist and military historian. The son of Lucien Carr, a former UPI editor and a key Beat generation figure, he was born in Manhattan and lived for much of his life on the Lower East Side. He attended Kenyon College and New York University, earning a B.A. in military and diplomatic history. He is a contributing editor of MHQ: The Quarterly Journal of Military History an ...more

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