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彼氏彼女の事情 [Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou] #17
Kare Kano: His and Her Circumstances, Vol. 17
After Soichiro threatens Yukino's status as most popular, Yukino tries to regain her idol-like popularity, struggling with her own inner problems while they develop a unique relationship.
192 pages, Paperback
First published December 5, 2003
About the author
Masami Tsuda
107 books129 followersTsuda (津田雅美) is a tea-loving, crazy manga-ka who lives in Japan. Her most famous work that has been translated into several languages is Kare Kano (or His and Her Circumstances).
Tsuda likes operas, historical sites, and classic children's tales.
Tsuda likes operas, historical sites, and classic children's tales.
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March 2, 2020
Setelah ibunya, kali ini ayah biologis Arima yang muncul. Diceritain sedikit masa lalunya, tapi belum dijelaskan alasan dia menelantarkan Arima kecil. Dia, Reiji, sekarang seorang pianis yang tinggal di New York, namun akan mengadakan konser di Jepang. Sekalian lah dia mendatangi Arima.
Kata ayah Arima tentang Reiji:
"Tak seorang pun bisa memahami perasaan Reiji. Saat orang ingin menangkapnya, dia lari. Dia laki-laki yang hidup seperti binatang liar. Itu sebabnya dia tidak akan mengejar dan menangkap Souichirou seperti ibu kandungnya. Tak perlu dikhawatirkan. Tapi ... kalau Souichirou mengenal Reiji, mungkin dia ... akan menderita."
Yah, rupanya setelah bertemu, Souichirou Arima terpesona pada si binatang liar. Dia tidak keberatan Reiji "menculik"nya. Dia ingin mengenal sang ayah lebih jauh.
Di sisi lain, Yukino semakin yakin akan suatu hal ... Dan aku salut banget sama ibunya Yukino yang supersensitif sama kondisi putrinya.
Ah, keluarga Miyazawa memang menyenangkan dan penuh kasih sayang. Senang sekali melihatnya.
Kata ayah Arima tentang Reiji:
"Tak seorang pun bisa memahami perasaan Reiji. Saat orang ingin menangkapnya, dia lari. Dia laki-laki yang hidup seperti binatang liar. Itu sebabnya dia tidak akan mengejar dan menangkap Souichirou seperti ibu kandungnya. Tak perlu dikhawatirkan. Tapi ... kalau Souichirou mengenal Reiji, mungkin dia ... akan menderita."
Yah, rupanya setelah bertemu, Souichirou Arima terpesona pada si binatang liar. Dia tidak keberatan Reiji "menculik"nya. Dia ingin mengenal sang ayah lebih jauh.
Di sisi lain, Yukino semakin yakin akan suatu hal ... Dan aku salut banget sama ibunya Yukino yang supersensitif sama kondisi putrinya.
Ah, keluarga Miyazawa memang menyenangkan dan penuh kasih sayang. Senang sekali melihatnya.
December 21, 2018
Me está gustando la parte del padre de Soichiro... Espero que hubiera una buena razón para abandonarle.
September 29, 2020
Bueno, al menos el padre de Arima no resultó ser un loco más.
Ah, lo sabía Yukino está embarazada, sinceramente no es lo que deseaba para ella, no a su edad.
No sé cómo vayan a manejar este tema, pero ¡no me defraudes Masami Tsuda!
Ah, lo sabía Yukino está embarazada, sinceramente no es lo que deseaba para ella, no a su edad.
No sé cómo vayan a manejar este tema, pero ¡no me defraudes Masami Tsuda!
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September 30, 2023
Sin duda el mejor tomo hasta el momento... La madre, estoy hasta nerviosa, fuah. Me ha encantado.
May 20, 2021
Kare Kano is a gut-wrenching and wild ride. If you have only seen the anime, then you are missing a lot of the meat of this story. Kare Kano follows the story of Yukino who strives to be an image of perfection. She’s beautiful, is at the top of her class, and seems naturally good at everything she tries. However, this perfection is a complete facade. Yukino’s home life reveals her to be a messy, rude, narcissist, who is obsessed with being the best. Yukino’s obsessive pursuits seem to be fueled by the praise and admiration she receives from those around her, it becomes clear that she has a crippling fear of failure. Meanwhile, her class rival, Soichiro aims for perfection for entirely different reasons. Soichiro’s perfect life aims to conceal his dark past as he tries to make up for the abuse and trauma he faced as a child. He clearly has an overwhelming fear of loss and rejection.
Throughout the story, these two characters’ lives intertwine as they learn one another’s secrets and help one another work through their problems. Each of them grows as individuals separate from one another, but they also grow as friends and eventually a couple. If you have watched the anime, then your perception of this story is probably that it is a romantic comedy. While you are not necessarily wrong, this manga reaches levels of depth and darkness that the anime definitely does not prepare you for. This story tackles topics like self-harm, suicide, domestic abuse, sexual assault, and unwanted pregnancy, and a whole slew of mental health-related issues. While the manga covers much of these topics with noticeable care and sensitivity, I will say that given that the manga ran from the mid-’90s to the early ’00s, its understanding of some of these issues can feel quite dated at times.
There are elements to this story that I think are actively harmful. Specifically, the great length’s to which Yukino attempts to heal Soichiro’s dark past. This establishes a narrative in which a woman’s strength is defined by her ability to stand by her man no matter what. Unfortunately, that kind of storytelling has real-world consequences no matter how realistic the depiction is in this case. While it is not at the forefront of the story-telling, this manga also perpetuates the idea that girls should pursue older men; that they have more to offer and are simply more suitable partners than more age-appropriate options. This is a sentiment that I absolutely do not agree with, and I believe it to be a harmful trope.
That being said, while this story is quite dark at times it has an undeniable honesty and relevancy to the narrative. In many ways, it feels realistic, even if it is uncomfortable, which is probably why so many manga readers still flock to this series years after its publication. If you liked Fruits Basket or Mars, then I think you would enjoy Kare Kano. I think Fruits Basket does a better job unpacking different kinds of trauma, especially in regards to toxic masculinity. However, for better or worse, Kare Kano never relies on metaphor or fantasy to soften the blow of hard-hitting topics and in that way feels all too real in its delivery.
Throughout the story, these two characters’ lives intertwine as they learn one another’s secrets and help one another work through their problems. Each of them grows as individuals separate from one another, but they also grow as friends and eventually a couple. If you have watched the anime, then your perception of this story is probably that it is a romantic comedy. While you are not necessarily wrong, this manga reaches levels of depth and darkness that the anime definitely does not prepare you for. This story tackles topics like self-harm, suicide, domestic abuse, sexual assault, and unwanted pregnancy, and a whole slew of mental health-related issues. While the manga covers much of these topics with noticeable care and sensitivity, I will say that given that the manga ran from the mid-’90s to the early ’00s, its understanding of some of these issues can feel quite dated at times.
There are elements to this story that I think are actively harmful. Specifically, the great length’s to which Yukino attempts to heal Soichiro’s dark past. This establishes a narrative in which a woman’s strength is defined by her ability to stand by her man no matter what. Unfortunately, that kind of storytelling has real-world consequences no matter how realistic the depiction is in this case. While it is not at the forefront of the story-telling, this manga also perpetuates the idea that girls should pursue older men; that they have more to offer and are simply more suitable partners than more age-appropriate options. This is a sentiment that I absolutely do not agree with, and I believe it to be a harmful trope.
That being said, while this story is quite dark at times it has an undeniable honesty and relevancy to the narrative. In many ways, it feels realistic, even if it is uncomfortable, which is probably why so many manga readers still flock to this series years after its publication. If you liked Fruits Basket or Mars, then I think you would enjoy Kare Kano. I think Fruits Basket does a better job unpacking different kinds of trauma, especially in regards to toxic masculinity. However, for better or worse, Kare Kano never relies on metaphor or fantasy to soften the blow of hard-hitting topics and in that way feels all too real in its delivery.
April 24, 2024
It's a nice start to a new arc. I love how the volume begins in a new location. New arc new location lol. I'm glad Tsuda places them in a winter lodge. Her ephemereal artstyle mixed with the quiet and cozy winter cabins' look really fits the unfolding mystery vibe as we learn about Soichiro's birth father and his enigmatic pull he has on Soichiro. I'm glad Tsuda is exploring the awkward feelings Soichiro is having. He's intrigued and interested but at the same time this is the man thats left him. Hes enigmatic and goes to his own tune and wants and Im sure he'll soon burn Soichiro because of that.
And AYO, why is Soichiro's dad so fine? Like he's a broody boy with stark black and choppy hair in the flashback. Sorta like Edward Scissorhands. And in the present hes such an enigmatic zaddy.
And AYO, why is Soichiro's dad so fine? Like he's a broody boy with stark black and choppy hair in the flashback. Sorta like Edward Scissorhands. And in the present hes such an enigmatic zaddy.
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May 7, 2024
Soichiro's growth is interesting and lovely.... but I'm concerned Yukino really is pregnant. What about college and career?? Ugh. Also Soichiro's dad did terrible things to his hair and style to the point where I could barely register him as the same character. Not to mention the kid who just starts singing in the middle of the piano concert and gets praised instead of removed.... Just insanity all around
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April 27, 2020
Lo de Yukino fue como woooow será verdad ?
Si bien ya me mostraron la "finalización " de algunas historias, quería que se centraran más en yukino y arima, pero no.... otra vez me traen de vuelta una historia parecida a la de la mamá de arima con otro toque (que original)
Lo otro lo del concierto y Kazuma a sido la wea menos realista que he visto hasta ahora jajjaa
Si bien ya me mostraron la "finalización " de algunas historias, quería que se centraran más en yukino y arima, pero no.... otra vez me traen de vuelta una historia parecida a la de la mamá de arima con otro toque (que original)
Lo otro lo del concierto y Kazuma a sido la wea menos realista que he visto hasta ahora jajjaa
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June 3, 2017
Good volume.
December 6, 2019
4,5 stars
May 26, 2020
[5/10]
Chapters 79-84
Chapters 79-84
November 20, 2023
Goddamnit! I don’t want to like Reiji…. LOL
And Yukino… I knew this storyline was coming up. That dream she had a couple volumes ago was def a pregnancy dream…
And Yukino… I knew this storyline was coming up. That dream she had a couple volumes ago was def a pregnancy dream…
March 4, 2024
This volume was completely unhinged.
May 16, 2016
Today's post is on Kare Kano: his and her circumstances volume 17 by Masami Tsuda. As it is the seventeenth in the long running you need to have read the sixteen to understand the story. It is 200 pages long and is published by Tokyopop. The cover has Yukino on it with her dog. The intended reader is some one likes high school romance and Drama.There is mild language, implied sexuality, and no violence in this volume. The story is told from the third person close of Soichiro. There Be spoilers Ahead.
From the back of the book- Soichiro invites Yukino to his family's vacation home, where his birth father used to play piano for him. But when they arrive, they discover that Soichiro's father now plays for thousands across the world... and he's about to come home from the tour. Could this be the start of a beautiful relationship?
Review- This volume continues dealing with Soichiro and his family problems. He starts having memories of his birth father and does not know what to do. Soichiro does try to block out Yukino and his family but after all the trouble with his mother they are not going to let him. So he is forced to talk with him. Then his father comes back to Japan and kidnaps Soichiro. Soichiro decides to spend some time with his birth father to try and discover more about him and himself. Plus Yukino is pregnant and she has not told Soichiro yet. So more Drama ahead.
I give this volume a Five out Five stars. I get nothing for my review and I bought this manga with my own money.
From the back of the book- Soichiro invites Yukino to his family's vacation home, where his birth father used to play piano for him. But when they arrive, they discover that Soichiro's father now plays for thousands across the world... and he's about to come home from the tour. Could this be the start of a beautiful relationship?
Review- This volume continues dealing with Soichiro and his family problems. He starts having memories of his birth father and does not know what to do. Soichiro does try to block out Yukino and his family but after all the trouble with his mother they are not going to let him. So he is forced to talk with him. Then his father comes back to Japan and kidnaps Soichiro. Soichiro decides to spend some time with his birth father to try and discover more about him and himself. Plus Yukino is pregnant and she has not told Soichiro yet. So more Drama ahead.
I give this volume a Five out Five stars. I get nothing for my review and I bought this manga with my own money.
March 27, 2016
Il volume 17 continua a focalizzarsi sulla storia di Arima.
Sbirciando nelle vacanze newyorkesi di Maho e Tsubasa, facciamo infatti la conoscenza del pianista Reiji Arima, che si rivela essere il padre biologico di Soichiro.
Il personaggio è presentato come molto affascinante, elegante, eppure non mi sono piaciuti gli eccessi (l'uso della pistola per convincere il figlio a seguirlo, ad esempio), né la sua natura tendenzialmente manipolatrice. Quando ha acquistato dei nuovi abiti per Soichiro, stravolgendo del tutto lo stile del ragazzo, non mi è sembrato molto diverso dalla madre biologica di questi.
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Sbirciando nelle vacanze newyorkesi di Maho e Tsubasa, facciamo infatti la conoscenza del pianista Reiji Arima, che si rivela essere il padre biologico di Soichiro.
Il personaggio è presentato come molto affascinante, elegante, eppure non mi sono piaciuti gli eccessi (l'uso della pistola per convincere il figlio a seguirlo, ad esempio), né la sua natura tendenzialmente manipolatrice. Quando ha acquistato dei nuovi abiti per Soichiro, stravolgendo del tutto lo stile del ragazzo, non mi è sembrato molto diverso dalla madre biologica di questi.
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February 15, 2016
Actual Rating : 3.1 / 5
Fascinating. So his father turns out to be hot and meets Yukino first before actually meeting him. I see. Well, the meeting Yukino part I'd already guessed, but him being an okay guy was kind of a surprise. I bet the author purposely did it so as to defy expectations that way. Keep up the 'ok' work for four more volumes!
Fascinating. So his father turns out to be hot and meets Yukino first before actually meeting him. I see. Well, the meeting Yukino part I'd already guessed, but him being an okay guy was kind of a surprise. I bet the author purposely did it so as to defy expectations that way. Keep up the 'ok' work for four more volumes!
August 29, 2007
A love story that revolves around highschool students but remains interesting to span 20+ volumes. The art is unique and comical.
July 30, 2010
reiji is most certainly an interesting character. he's like a whirlwind. yes, that would be the best way to describe him.
April 20, 2019
Una storia davvero emozionate e toccante.
October 15, 2010
#Program BUBU
Pertama kali dibeli dan dibaca pada bulan April 2006.
Pertama kali dibeli dan dibaca pada bulan April 2006.
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