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Prince of Outcasts

(Emberverse #13)

really liked it 4.00  ·  Rating details ·  778 ratings  ·  98 reviews
A postapocalyptic landscape of medieval and mystical monarchies ruling and warring across a world where mysterious Powers removed advanced technology.

A new alliance has been forged between the High Kingdom of Montival and the Empire of Japan, but at the cost of a lost prince. . . .

John Arminger Mackenzie wanted to be a troubadour, but fate made him the son of the king of M
Hardcover, 418 pages
Published September 6th 2016 by Roc
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Sean Smart
Sep 14, 2016 rated it liked it
I love Stirling's work but this is not his best. It has too many actions where nothing happens and lots of missed opportunities. His books used to have so much going on; wars, quests, adventure, etc and although elements are present they seem confusing and rare.

The series too seems ongoing with no end in sight. It feels like he is stretching out the story as far as it will go and further.

Fans will probably enjoy it but it brings little new to the series.
Sep 22, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is a book review for those who have read the previous 12 books of S.M. Stirling’s Emberverse series of apocalyptic fiction, but haven’t read the 13th book in the series, *[The Prince of Outcasts]*. If you have not read the series, stop right now and go buy the first novel *[Dies the Fire]* or better yet, go buy the [11-volume bundle] and get the discount now. You’ll end up reading the whole thing anyway.

As for the current book, we pick up where *The Desert and the Blade* left off, on the co
Helga Raats
Oct 08, 2016 rated it it was ok
This latest installment in the Emberverse world left me feeling disappointed. What I loved about the first 10 novels was that there were so many different characters that were interesting and fun. Now the focus is too much on the main characters which makes the others feel a bit flat. And the storyline lacks depth. Still love this world !
Sylvia McIvers
memo to self - wait for the whole trilogy.

The Story So Far: The Emberverse started with an SF bang - changing the laws of the universe! Two trilogies later, the next generation [tm] was straight up high fantasy, complete with a prince on a quest for a sword. OK, next generation recycled the quest for a new sword and opened up the Emberverse to distant continents.

The story Here: Golden Princess Orry has been naughty, running off to help a foreign Empress quest for the Grass-Cutting Sword without
Judy Aulik
Sep 10, 2016 rated it liked it
One of the lesser books of the Emberverse, in my opinion. As with all the Emberverse/Nantucket novels, you really have to read all the series in order. As this is one of the shorter efforts, less space is devoted to early events which shaped the world. It's fine by me, but will leave all but the most dedicated fans lost.
I understand why SMS has to use more far-flung settings for his long-running series, which is now in the third generation of his post-Change world. However, this novel, featuring
Oct 15, 2016 rated it it was ok
Lord have mercy, Mr. Stirling, if I wanted to learn about sailing a ship, I would check a book out of the library, or go take sailing lessons.

This is another "Here is the way we fight, dress, and brush our hair, ever since the Change-O." Too much nothing, not enough story. He spends pages on what people eat, and why. Also, I noticed you have started to end all your books with cliff-hangers. We all have noticed. That is a sign you are afraid we are going to give up in disgust.

Here is the thing, I
sigh. I liked this series better back when it was science fiction. This book is just plain too wordy. Unnecessary description taking the plot nowhere, basically just too slow. Details are good and the characters remain interesting. And the food porn. But the pacing is just plain off. And fighting the bad guys just seem like more of the same.
Taylor Ellwood
Sep 09, 2017 rated it really liked it
Shelves: fantasy
In this story we start to get to know the character of John better, while continuing to also follow Orlaith's adventures. John's part of the book is exciting and intriguing. Orlaith's mostly drags and feels like filler put in the for the sake of filling the book out. Still a good read and recommend if you enjoy the series.
Maurynne  Maxwell
Oct 09, 2016 rated it liked it
Disappointed. It's a middle book that ends on a cliffhanger and I've advised my spouse to wait until next year to read it. Wish I had. Some good moments, but mostly moving folks from here to there and could have been done in a hundred pages of a longer book that I would rather have read, with the cliffhanger resolved. A waste of a day's reading.
David Worrell
Sep 20, 2016 rated it it was ok
With each book in this series it becomes more obvious that Stirling is just flailing around with no real goal in mind, and the Ye-Olde-RenFaire-Celt-speak and the pseudo-Viking babble become more and more tiresome.

I really enjoyed the Nantucket books and the early books in this series, but I don't think I'll bother with the next one.
Feb 07, 2018 rated it it was ok
I absolutely hate that I have to give this book two stars, because I think S.M. Stirling is amazing, and his writing up to this point has been top notch. Prince John is an appealing character, and his internal dialogue as he transitions from a boy to a man is top notch. The details are very well-researched, as always in this spectacular series.

Unfortunately, the cons outweighed the pros for me: the entire Orlaith-Reiko storyline went nowhere (except the consistently lovely detail). The "tell-don
Nicole Luiken
Aug 31, 2017 rated it really liked it
Shelves: canadian, sf-fantasy
I'm not sure how to rate this one. John's plotline was 4 star, Orlaith's was a three at best.

As usual, S.M. Stirling excels at battle scenes and world-building (even if he does spend far too much time describing food IMHO). John's plotline starts with a huge storm--and the adventure is off. I just wish Orlaith had had more to do.
Kathleen Schrieber
Oct 07, 2016 rated it liked it
Very disappointed!! This book basically went nowhere, you got way to much unneeded descriptions of buildings and clothing. This book was one third plot and two thirds stuffing. I hope that Mr. Stirling hasn't run out of ideas for where the story should be going. Also forgot that Fred Thurston's wife's name id Virginia, not Victoria. If his readers can remember these things why can't author and editor?
Sep 15, 2016 rated it it was ok
Sadly, probably my least favorite of all the Emberverse books so far. I'm not as interested in this generation of characters, and I'm also less interested in the location. I'll keep reading the series as S.M. Stirling writes them, but I definitely won't reread this book.
Oct 29, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition

That feeling when you're binge-reading a new-to-you book series and finish the newest book...

Ryan Scott
May 04, 2017 rated it liked it
Another good solid novel from this series. Not in any way extraordinary, but the world is exceedingly well-crafted and the characters have heft and life.
Oct 18, 2017 rated it really liked it
I forgot to pick this up last year when it was released, so got it this fall as the next one was published. Turns out that was a serendipitous choice, as this one ends on a heck of a cliffhanger!

As might be expected, this book picks up where the previous one left off, with Orlaith and Reiko having just obtained the Grasscutter Sword and faced down some of the evil ones that have taken over Korea. Prince John, Orlaith's younger brother, is on one of the ships from Montival when a powerful wave st
Matt Mitrovich
Sep 20, 2016 rated it it was amazing
Originally posted at:

A review of the latest entry in a long-running series is probably one of the hardest to write. There is a lot of summarizing of the entire series, and even if you want to recommend the individual novel, you usually have to warn people they may want to start at the beginning of the series rather than with this specific book. Luckily, Prince of Outcasts by SM Stirling gave us something that is able to stand on its own somewhat and has t
David Pappas
May 10, 2018 rated it did not like it
For some reason I’m apparently subconsciously still operating under the long lingering misconception that S.M. Stirling is an accomplished and compelling writer. This is the only reason I can imagine why I picked up this book in the first place. I think this wholly erroneous impression I have stems from about 1991 when in collaboration with David Drake he co-wrote the General Series. The early books in the General Series at that time (I should revisit) for me were indeed quite good, but the lat ...more
I enjoyed this installment to the Emberverse, but, to be honest, it was good but not great. The story begins with the two main characters, Crown Princess Orlaith and her younger brother Prince John splitting up, with John's ship being driven across the Pacific Ocean. That being said, I found the part of the book with the "exiled" prince to be much more exciting (storms, naval battles, and sea monsters - and that's just the beginning) than the chapters dealing with Orlaith (travelling around the ...more
Apr 01, 2019 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
A pretty decent installment in a very very long series

I will admit that it is getting a bit thin since the day all the technology went away, the story goes on and on and now we're into the third generation, but still interesting enough to read and find out what happens to whoskid and what kind of magic is happening and where the gods are and what they're up to.
It does jump up and back and forth a bit between the brother and sister, with unique locations for each along with unique problems, and s
Jan 17, 2018 rated it really liked it
Prince John and his companions aboard the Tarshish Queen are swept across the Pacific due to the supernatural storm that came at the end of The Desert and the Blade. They are chased by Korean ships which does not allow them to come about without being engaged and outnumbered. Damaged by multiple storms and a huge croc that almost swamped their boat, they finally landed on an island just before they sank only to find themselves involved in a standoff between Balinese settlers and a Pirate crew th ...more
Mar 06, 2017 rated it really liked it
Shelves: fantasy
Somehow I missed the publication of this book, and only discovered it because a friend pointed it out to me.

When we last left our heroes, Princess Orlaith and the new Empress of Japan Reiko had returned from their quest to Death Valley to recover the lost sword Kusanagi. Orrey's brother John had taken ship aboard the trader Tarshish Queen to battle Korean enemies on the sea off Topanga. Use of the sword Kusanagi generates a typhoon-like storm that pushes the Queen across the Pacific Ocean to Ind
Feb 10, 2019 rated it liked it
Really should be a 3.5. If the story hadn't kept bouncing back to Monteval, it would be a great stand alone book. I found the bits back in Montaval to be distracting. I get that they were necessary to keep the overall story arc moving ahead, but they were pretty boring. Havibg said that, the rest of the story, Prince John's parts, we're pretty good. I like Pip's character and am enjoying where their story is hopefully headed!

This story was better than the last several, that's for sure.
Nov 11, 2017 rated it really liked it
I think this book spent a little too much time in describing things that were not terribly important to the story. I think the ending will leave the readers to this tale from the first book to now somewhat shocked. I think I see where Mr. Stirling is going with this but I would not bet much on my guess. Book 14 is already on my shelf but I will let a couple of books intervene before I return to the Emberverse.
The Nerd Book Review

I have to apologize to the memory of Robert Jordan for ever saying he’s a bit over descriptive. Stirling is still describing the local flora and fauna of North America post Change in book 13 or whatever this is. I loved the early novels as we got the description of change after all tech comes to an end but at this point it could be tedious. This book takes us to some new locales but as a general rule is getting old. 2 more books to go!
Crystal Foley
Aug 08, 2018 rated it liked it
I read this one because I had read the previous dozen or so books in the series. But the series is getting tedious. Too many descriptions of clothing and food and not enough plotlines. It seems that the entire plot could have been included in 3-4 chapters with the rest being filler. The first half dozen books in the series were great, but the story fell off considerably after that.
Dec 11, 2017 rated it liked it
The saga continues and the next trilogy starts. Prince of outcasts is readable and gives the author an opportunity to use the same similes he has been using for decades. The plot is strangely familiar and while I have enjoyed this series from the start I don't feel as invested in the story as with earlier books.
James Ronan
Jan 16, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Moved the tale forward nicely

This addition to the Change Series introduces a new character from " the land down under" and lays the ground work for war with what has become of Korea. And the CUT is no longer in the picture a new dark evil has replaced it. For fans of the series a satisfying read.
Larry Wegman
Oct 24, 2018 rated it it was ok
#13 in the Emberverse series. While I appreciate that Stirling explores more of the world, he's moving more into a realm of sword and sorcery (and sex), and away from survival and rebuilding in a post-apocalyptic world (laws of physics changed so that electricity and explosions, beyond extremely low levels, don't work).
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Stephen Michael Stirling is a French-born Canadian-American science fiction and fantasy author. Stirling is probably best known for his Draka series of alternate history novels and the more recent time travel/alternate history Nantucket series and Emberverse series.

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I’m a writer by trade, born in France but Canadian by origin and American by naturalizat

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Emberverse (1 - 10 of 15 books)
  • Dies the Fire (Emberverse, #1)
  • The Protector's War (Emberverse, #2)
  • A Meeting at Corvallis (Emberverse, #3)
  • The Sunrise Lands (Emberverse, #4)
  • The Scourge of God (Emberverse, #5)
  • The Sword of the Lady (Emberverse, #6)
  • The High King of Montival (Emberverse, #7)
  • The Tears of the Sun (Emberverse, #8)
  • Lord of Mountains (Emberverse, #9)
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