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4.13  ·  Rating details ·  2,062 ratings  ·  89 reviews
Knygoje prieš skaitytojo akis įspūdingai atsiskleidžia dvidešimt mėnesių trukusio mūšio dėl Faludžos 2003-2004 m. Irake panorama. Kruvinos kautynės Irako miestų gatvėse, naujojo Irako ir Baltųjų rūmų politinės vingrybės, amerikiečių klaidos okupavus Iraką 2003 m. - visa perteikiama lengvu, elegantišku stiliumi. Autorius jūrų pėstininkų karininku tarnavo Vietname, buvo Rona ...more
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Published 2012 by Vox altera (first published 2004)
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Mike
In “The Iliad” a warrior in the front ranks turned to his companions and said, “Let us win glory, for ourselves, or yield it to others.” For Greek warriors, there was no true glory if they were not remembered afterward in poem or song. There will be no true glory for our soldiers in Iraq until they are recognized not as victims, but as aggressive warriors. Stories of their bravery deserved to be recorded and read by the next generation. Unsung, the noblest deed will die.

Those stories are recorde
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Chris
Apr 28, 2012 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: military
This book was a good account of the battle for Fallujah. I enjoyed the fact that it mixed a look into the higher command and political aspects along with a look into the frontline men and events. In my opinion that is the ideal style because it gives you the context and reasons why everything is happening while also giving you an inside look into the "trenches" that humanizes the events. The maps and outline of people involved were useful references to go back to while reading. This was an easy ...more
James
Dec 12, 2007 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Adolescents and adults
Bing West served as a Marine officer in Vietnam, then moved on to journalism. Here he accompanied some Marine units during the battle of Falujah and offered both his day-to-day account of their experiences and his observations on the higher level political maneuverings that shaped the events they lived through.
Carol Storm
Feb 06, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
One of the best books ever written about Marines in combat. Captures the culture of the Corps in peace as well as in war. Provides background on Fallujah, the terrain, the culture, the history. A must read for serious students of modern history, the Iraq War, and the United States Marine Corps.
Pat
Mar 10, 2008 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I was there for part of this battle (in 2004). This book details all the battles surrounding what was once the most dangerous city in Iraq.
Mark
Jan 15, 2009 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: military, history
I picked this up at the National Museum of the Marine Corps near Quantico, VA last weekend.

A detailed and in-depth account of the Marine's experiences in Fallujah, Iraq in 2004. I loved the matter of fact style and the Marine's eye view that West uses to tell his story. Part personal narrative from the combatants point of view and part historical narrative of the military and civilian leaders, their decision making, and the operations as they unfolded. West is quite confident that his opinions a
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Jeff Brunell
Aug 27, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I was 17 when the siege of Fallujah was beginning in 2004. As I graduated High School I paid a little more attention to the news as I had friends going into the Marine Corps and being deployed. Admittedly I wanted to read this book because after the war I had no idea about our strategy with the city or the politics involving it. I just knew that even today in 2018 "Fallujah" is a synonym often used for a hard fight or quest. "It's not exactly Fallujah" has been used to describe an easy situation ...more
Frank
Jun 29, 2007 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Bing West gives a glimpse into Anbar province, Iraq as it was in 2003-2005, during 20 months of attempts to stop, or even slow, the violence in that region. The author served as a Marine in Vietnam and was Assistant Secretary if Defense in the Reagan years. He interviewed numerous soldiers and Marines to put together sometimes street by street accounts.

I was struck by the way that many smart folks tried plans to work the problem only to be held up, pulled back, and then forced forward by politi
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Jack Pando
Bing West explores the strategy and history that lead to Operation Phantom Fury, the Marines push to capture the city of Fallujah. It truly catches the many mistakes the U.S. Military and government made throughout the planning process. The first attempt was stalled by a long one-sided cease fire. To fix the violence the U.S. wanted to send in the Iraqi national guard, but no unit was ready for the fierce fighting in the city. Finally the military made a decision to send in the former Iraqi army ...more
Scott
Apr 23, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Extremely well told story of the Battle for Fallujah. The first and second battle for Fallujah, which took place in April 04 and November 04 respectively. Bing West puts you into battle with the Marines and tells numerous harrowing tales of frontline bravery and valor. Bing West also tells of the events that occurred behind the scenes and the causes and propellants of the battle and of the political alliances, betrayals and compromises that shaped the battle and caused it to be split up into two ...more
Tin Wee
Nov 24, 2011 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Another book I was inspired to read after FIASCO. This book outlines the consequences of policy screw ups on the average frontline grunt, and how a war changed because warriors were not allowed to fight as they were meant to because of other policy concerns. The takeaway of this book for me is that the heroism of many of the marines has been overshadowed by the american media which chose to focus on the family tragedies of the deaths of the marines, instead of their heroism in the field. As with ...more
Erikhart Hart
Oct 15, 2009 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
No True Glory provides a concise account of both battles for the Iraqi city of Fallujah, in April 2004 and December of 2004 respectively. West is an excellent author for this subject matter, providing a description from both the personal and tactical Lance Corporal while relating the operational and strategic context between events on the ground and on the home front.

Unfortunately, aside from the heroic sacrifices and mastery of modern urban combat displayed by our Marine Corps, the lesson that
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Christina
Dec 17, 2009 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
"...let slip the dogs of war." Bing West has his finger on the pulse of the Corps with this one. Some of my buddies were in the battle for Fallujah in '04 and have given this book their seal of approval. Doesn't get more authentic than that.
Max Andrew
May 17, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
5 stars- what more can I say. A powerful book.
Elijus Kniežauskas
Nov 09, 2017 rated it it was amazing
Pradžioje lėta, nuobodi ir sunki, bet po to ciki piki
Victoria Vane
Apr 10, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Research reading for SHARP SHOOTER. Excellent book.
Clem
Dec 07, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: history
As I write this review, the United States of America is still shell shocked by the brutal terrorist killings that occurred in San Bernardino, California in November 2015. Sadly, the country doesn’t appear to be united. President Obama and the far left think that stricter gun laws can prevent such atrocities whereas those on the far right, including presidential candidate Donald Trump, are essentially wanting to ban all Muslims from the United States. War is hell.

I only say this because the whole
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Forrest
"In war, Authority and responsibility should reside in the same organization."

CHAOS - This is a riveting and detailed account of Fallujah, the political brawl down to the horrors of battle.

The author provides a wide scope of the Battles for Fallujah from the perspective of the top brass including CENTCOM, the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), the fledgling new post-Saddam Iraqi government, and the individual generals, commanders, and soldiers on the ground. This book covers the period of t
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Steve Woods
What a complete fuckup! From go to woe one would be forgiven, given the money they made out of Iraq, even if indirectly, that the whole deal was contrived for the financial benefit of Rumsfeld and Cheney. As though invasion without a plan other than the naive belief that they would be welcomed as liberators as they were in Europe in 1945, was not enough the whole situation was muddled further by several different chains of command between whom little love was lost, troops poorly equipped for the ...more
Marc Liebman
Nov 01, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is a wonderful story about men who not only persevere against the enemy, but also their own government within whom the politicians are more interested in poll results and re-election than winning on the battlefield.

As a retired Naval Officer, what pissed me off the most about stories like this is that we could have taken Fallujah early in the war if we had allowed the people at the pointy edge of the sword to make decisions. And, while we would have taken casualties, it would have been noth
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Ivan
Aug 28, 2018 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Boring, boring, boring, boring. "One bullet away" is overlong, but explains the same issues (namely popping into a country uninvited then defending indefensible positions against the entire population of the country which wants the occupiers out) succintly and with more involvement than "No true glory".

Maybe a good book for those who mistakely thought that the wars in Iraq and the North Africa had any purpose at all and benefits for the locals or the "simple Americans/Europeans". Hint: They don'
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Nicole
Jul 13, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Superbly written! West takes you inside the Marines and Soldiers formations with detailed descriptions. West brings to the forefront the pain and suffering of the foot soldiers. He also provides additional insight into upper echelon's thinking and decision making, which is often a viewpoint the reader never gets to hear about. As war goes, some details are graphic, but help drive home the understanding of the sacrifice made by so many during conflict. I most certainly would recommend this book A ...more
Ben Fleagle
Dec 03, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is an outstanding book. As a former Marine I read anything about the Corps with a voracious appetite. However, I often have to check myself when it comes to criticism about the Corps, helping to keep my outlook objective and be aware of mistakes and weakness where it is found. This book was brutally honest about the administration, command elements involved, the Marines in the fight and the reality of the Fallujah conflict.
Rose
Jun 03, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
What an incredible book about Marine's in combat.
Dave
Feb 10, 2019 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This book shows what happens when politics gets in the way of war. Many died because of the political games of the Iraqi's and Bush administration, hence the title.
Carl &
Dec 28, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Great insight into how Gen Dunford (currently JTS) and Gen Mattis (Currently SecDef) built their worldview.
Jimmy
Jul 09, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This book is about the US military’s operation in Fallujah from the time the first troops were on the ground in that city and leading up to the Marines’ assault towards the end of 2004. There is so much that people don’t understand about the US military’s approach towards Fallujah and so many mistaken assumptions and factually incorrect claims of what the US military did. I think this book makes an important contribution towards understanding what happened.
I don’t think many people could write
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Sara Mullins
Feb 05, 2019 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Good book

Good story with many players. I had some trouble with there being so many acronyms. I repeatedly had to stop and search in the book or Google it to find the words.
Daniel Meschter
Apr 15, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Like the battle itself, No True Glory comprises mostly lead-up - skirmishes, ambushes, politicking, and the like. It's all told intensely nonetheless.
Scott
Mar 12, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Incredible what some people will do for the person to their left and right.
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Francis J. "Bing" West is an author and former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs during the Reagan Administration. His 2004 book The March Up: Taking Baghdad with the First Marine Division, written with United States Marine Corps General Ray L. Smith,was awarded the Marine Corps Heritage Prize for non-fiction, as well as the Colby Award.
“The fierce fighting at Fallujah attested to the stalwart nature of the American soldier. In The Iliad a warrior in the front ranks turned to his companion and said, “Let us win glory for ourselves, or yield it to others.” For Greek warriors, there was no true glory if they were not remembered afterward in poem or in song. There will be no true glory for our soldiers in Iraq until they are recognized not as victims, but as aggressive warriors. Stories of their bravery deserved to be recorded and read by the next generation. Unsung, the noblest deed will die.” 1 likes
“From around the periphery of the city the Marine battalion staffs arrived in small clusters of Humvees and LAVs, dismounting outside the walls of the MEF, striding in tight groups through the makeshift plywood door into the alcove of the stone mansion that served as the regi-mental HQ, draping their ceramic armor vests and Kevlar helmets over the wooden racks that lined the wall outside the conference room. Several carried M4 carbines or M16s, while others wore pistols on their hips or in shoulder holsters. It was like a meeting of knights in the fifteenth century—large, purposeful men neatly arraying their armor before sitting down at the banquet table to discuss the business of making war. The mood was upbeat, with many smiles exchanged. The dickering was over. It was time to finish the task. They stood talking until Col Toolan strode in; then they took seats around a long, square table with a huge photomap of Fallujah on the wall.” 1 likes
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