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I Hate and I Love

3.56  ·  Rating details ·  487 ratings  ·  69 reviews
Dazzling modern lyrical poems from Catullus - by turns smutty, abusive, romantic and deeply moving.

Introducing Little Black Classics: 80 books for Penguin's 80th birthday. Little Black Classics celebrate the huge range and diversity of Penguin Classics, with books from around the world and across many centuries. They take us from a balloon ride over Victorian London to a
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Paperback, Little Black Classics, #69, 54 pages
Published February 26th 2015 by Penguin Classics
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Sean Barrs the Bookdragon
This is some very love sick poetry. Catullus is completely infatuated with his woman; he longs for her and truly, if somewhat naively, believes he can make her happy. The poems tell the story of how they came to eventually hold each other in the same reverence, but the majority of the collection is him pinning for her. The result is a despairing set of verses by a man who is completely enthralled, and driven, by his love for a woman.

No woman loved, in truth, Lesbia
As you by me;
No love-faith fou
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Jibran
Jul 25, 2015 rated it really liked it
I send Lesbia this valediction,
succinctly discourteous:
live with your three hundred lovers
open your legs to them all (simultaneously)
lovelessly dragging the guts out of each of them
each time you do it,
blind to the love I had for you
once, and that you, tart, wantonly crushed
as the passing plough-blade slashes the flower
at the field's edge.


I enjoyed this LBC so much that I immediately sought Catullus' complete poems, read Peter Green's and Peter Whigham's translations simultaneously, and reviewed
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Emma
Jun 01, 2015 rated it it was ok
Catullus is the kind of man the new laws against revenge porn were made for.

He's obsessive and bitter.

When 'in love', he's sending verbal dick pics...

'I'll come at once
for lolling on the sofa here
with jutting cock
and stuffed with food
I'm ripe for stuffing
you,
my sweet Ipsithia'


How could she refuse such a tempting invitation?

When love is gone, it's all anger and vitrol...

'live with your three hundred lovers,
open your legs to them all (simultaneously)
lovelessly dragging the guts out of each of th
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Eunice Moral
Jun 14, 2015 rated it really liked it
Oh wow! I enjoyed this one a lot! Oh Lesbia aren't you one hell of a woman, that this guy was so infatuated with you. And oh boy, Catullus holds nothing back! Loved this one! And the contemporary/modern feel to it made me gave it an extra star!
Liz Janet
Jan 02, 2016 rated it it was ok
Ye olde smutt!!!
Joey Woolfardis
Let's try this one again, GoodReads mobile app, shall we?

Roman poetry, not Greek as I hastily said in my update (though, one stole much from the other so...) with an evocative erotic flavour about a man in love with one woman, but often in hate with her, too. The structure of each poem was a breath of fresh air as they were often short-lined which added a quick pace to it, to me provoking the kind of short-lived pleasure that he speaks of. Like any poetry, short and sweet but often pointless.


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Abubakar Mehdi
Aug 21, 2015 rated it really liked it
His poetry is surprisingly modern and very charming.
Reading his short, witty, erotic and sometimes sarcastic poems was such a shocking experience for me as I never expected such a modern lyrical touch from a Greek poets verse.
One of my favorites …

Lets us live, let us love
And all the words of moral
May they be worth less than nothing to us
Suns may set, and suns may rise again
But when our brief light has set
Night is one long ever lasting sleep

Give me a thousand kisses, a hundred more
Another thousa
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Hanaa
Feb 28, 2016 rated it really liked it
I enjoyed this one but now I just want to find his complete works so I can read what other hilarious and filthy things he wrote. The guy had a huge inferiority complex.
leynes
Oct 02, 2017 rated it did not like it
Woops. Here we go again. Another 1-star-poetry-review. Yep. I'm pulling no punches today. I love reading poetry, even poetry collections I end up rating only 1 to 2 stars. I love seeing how people through the centuries and countries tried to portray emotions through verses, some of them successfully and others failing miserably.
Parasites of our generation. Poets I blush for.
Catullus' verses definitely fell flat for me. I didn't connect to what he was saying, heck, most of the time I didn't ev
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Kyo
Nov 01, 2015 rated it it was ok
Shelves: books-i-own
Let me start off by saying that I love Catullus.
I love his poems, because even though they're 2000 years old, they still feel so real and true.
It's about love, but mostly about how painful love can be. How it can twist into something incredibly ugly and make something ugly of yourself as well.

The Latin poems would get a 5/5 stars for me.

But I didn't really like the order the poems were placed in and the translations weren't that great either.

So I encourage everyone to read Catullus, but maybe fi
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Peter
Nov 02, 2016 rated it it was ok
This this little book of poorly translated poetry left me numb, it's use of modern terms was terrible.

Oh boy can this guy whine. Now for a new poem for the classic I hate and I Hate Even More:

Oh! She as left me and I whine,

She the lovely Lesbia is screwing; screwing,

Every man but I has used like a pin-cushion,

You whore, you offer it to anyone who wants,

While I masturbate screeching like a chimp,

Oh wo! Oh wo! Why not join me in a wo,

She as done it with others but not with me,

Lets have a whine, ma
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Michael Arnold
Mar 19, 2018 rated it did not like it
Shelves: poetry
If you read this casually, having just picked up one of these little books, I think you would get the entirely wrong opinion of Catullus, not just in terms of subject but also of style too. These are translated with apparently little care, and into free verse - which it's debatable can even reflect the feeling of reading Catullus without sympathy. The modern turns of phrases made some of the poems very immediate, and reading this has made me go back to some of the original texts and the Guy Lee ...more
Katie Bayford
Mar 22, 2018 rated it it was amazing
"Lesbia is extraordinarily vindictive
about me in front of her husband
who is thereby moved to fatuous laughter -
a man mulishly insensitive, failing to grasp
that a mindless silence (about me) spells safety
while to spit out my name in curses, baring
her white teeth, means she remembers me"

Catullus charts the history of his love affair with 'Lesbia' (a Sapphic pseudonym for his lover Clodia, wife and sister of famous Roman statesmen) over the course of 109 crass, bitter and shockingly devotional poem
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Aylin
Feb 10, 2019 rated it it was ok
Catullus is one big ass salty fuckboi my God. He does have good pieces then and there but he is mostly hating on the woman he "loves", whose name ironically is Lesbia.
Mia  Bakhthiar
The book is comprised of many short poems concerning Catullus' love for a woman he has lost. Beautifully written, though not my cup of tea personally, as it was just a little bit too salacious for me.

Even so, I loved some of the descriptions. The woman Catallus has written the collection for is undoubtedly lucky.
Noelia Alonso
Actual rating: 3.5 stars

Catullus holds nothing back. His poems are incredibly erotic and at times, obscene but others are so heartrending it hurts.
Yara (The Narratologist)
Mini Review:

I like how contemporary this translation feels, perfect for those who are new to Catullus and his dick jokes.
Kay
Apr 19, 2015 rated it really liked it
Shelves: favorites
I love this little book such good adult stories and poetry. Read them out loud like your the empress lol
Batool
Jan 26, 2016 rated it it was amazing
i need more poetry in my life.
Linton Newton
Nov 10, 2017 rated it it was amazing
This short collection of poems by Catullus is an intimate series of emotions and thoughts usually directed towards one of his friends or lovers. These poems show a personal aspect of a from Ancient Rome, who feels the bitterness of losing a loved one and also the lustiness of deep infatuation. Lesbia, the main lover of Catullus, is the one woman who he directly loves and hates, we can see clearly his passionate love for her in poems 5 and 7 which progresses through many stages of pain. These poe ...more
Lotte Vwz
Consider this: Catullus is bisexual. Catullus wants to kiss a guy three thousand times. Sure, it's nothing compared to the.. thousand hundred thousand? times he wants to kiss his Lesbia, but it's still a damn 3 with 3 zeros behind it, and that is impressive.
Anne
Feb 01, 2016 rated it liked it
There were really good poems in this collection, but most were overshadowed by the not-so-good ones.
Lydia
Oct 12, 2015 rated it liked it
Delightful.
JK
Jul 07, 2018 rated it did not like it
I still can’t do poetry, although it was difficult not to understand what was going on here.

Catullus has the hots for this woman big time, the whole ‘can’t eat, can’t sleep’ shebang. Each of these poems professes his undying love for her, and the fact he hates how much the love he has for her affects him.

So I got it, but I didn’t enjoy it. It’s very rare for a poem to evoke anything in me. Sitting down to absorb a collection like this, particularly one which is so repetitive in its subject matte
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Dorthe
Jan 15, 2019 rated it did not like it
Let's get one thing clear right off the bat: the single star is for the translation, not the original.

I absolutely adore Catullus, his wit and snarkiness, his turn of phrase, his obscenity, his pouring out of feelings, both love and bitterness ... yep, Catullus is my boy.

So why did I subject myself to this? I should have known better, seeing as how utterly unimpressed I was by Whigham's renditions of Meleager.
The weird line breaks, sometimes in the middle of a word, the strange punctuation. W
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Books By Hala
Jan 03, 2018 rated it it was amazing
Recommendation: Just to give you some context. Catullus was a Roman poet, his works inspired poets we know like Ovid, Horace and Virgil. Luckily, his works lasted until our days. This specific book is about poem number 85 "Odi et amo" I hate and I love where he expresses confused feelings to his mistress Lesbia. Challenging in some words but absolutely worth the read, any lover can relate to this piece. You can even find it online if you don't want to buy the book.
P.H. Wilson
Aug 09, 2018 rated it liked it
Real rating: 6.4/10
Catullus is a poet's poet, which is the ancient equivalent of a comedian's comedian. Their tastes are often raw, and they say things that the general public are going to be taken aback by as they do not see the flow that goes with the rhythm and style. Which means that the works of someone like Catullus are not going to be appreciated unless you are ready to see the raw almost disgusting side of humanity set to an excellent rhythm and superb timing.
Kelly
Jun 21, 2017 rated it liked it
Shelves: to-buy
fun little book for the poems I did understand not really for the young readers but it's worth I read would be 4 stars but only liked some not most
Kristilyn (Reading In Winter)
Why do I feel like Catullus would be happy Penguin numbered this #69 in the collection?
Charlotte
May 24, 2018 rated it did not like it
Shelves: 1-star, poetry
Catullus. Aka the fuckboy poet.
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Gaius Valerius Catullus (ca. 84 BC – ca. 54 BC) was a Roman poet of the 1st century BC. His surviving works are still read widely, and continue to influence poetry and other forms of art. Catullus invented the "angry love poem."
“I hate and I love. And if you ask me how, I do not know: I only feel it, and I'm torn in two.” 7 likes
“What a woman tells her lover in desire
should be written out on air & running water.”
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