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By Schism Rent Asunder

(Safehold #2)

4.12  ·  Rating details ·  7,546 ratings  ·  249 reviews
The world has changed. The mercantile kingdom of Charis has prevailed over the alliance designed to exterminate it. Armed with better sailing vessels, better guns and better devices of all sorts, Charis faced the combined navies of the rest of the world at Darcos Sound and Armageddon Reef, and broke them. Despite the implacable hostility of the Church of God Awaiting, Char ...more
Hardcover, 510 pages
Published July 22nd 2008 by Tor Books (first published July 21st 2008)
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Martin Glen
Jan 08, 2009 rated it it was ok
Competent and well-written, with an intriguing premise (what if a Reformation was artificially engineered by a millenia-old human in an android body?). And Weber really knows how to write this sort of stuff by now.

And that's the problem. The book is under-edited - there's too much stuff where nothing much happens, too much talk-talk, too much diplomacy and not enough derring-do - and the pace is slow. And on a personal level, I feel like I have read all of these characters, or variations thereof
INTRODUCTION: Multiple New York Times bestselling author David Weber, lovingly known by the many fans congregating on his forums at Baen's Bar as MWW—“Mad Wizard Weber"—does not need an introduction. I have been a big-time fan of Mr. Weber's work since the early 90's and I have read and re-read multiple times all of his novels. Even in the short time between receiving the ARC of “By Schism Rent Asunder” and writing this review, I've read the novel three times and it will likely be my favorite bo ...more
Jul 14, 2008 rated it really liked it
Recommends it for: Weber fans, sf fans
This sequel to the truly great Off Armegeddon Reef is a pretty good book, but it suffers in comparison to the first book because it is a little too talkative, much slower paced and because David Weber spends a lot of the time on diplomatic scenes and negotiations, imperial matters and church related activities, spycraft and setting up the plot lines of the various main characters. I understand that he needs to set up these various scenes to set the stage for the epic battles ahead, but I think h ...more
Dec 11, 2013 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition

The whole 25 hours of the Audible version can be summarised simply as "King Caleb got married": the content is so mundane that this is not even a spoiler. There are no major plot or character developments in this book and it seems solely designed to generate income for the author - while middle parts of series may sometimes be somewhat unfulfilling, this book takes that trend to a whole new level and, in the end, I just wanted it to end.

While I quite enjoy most of David Weber's work, I
Jan 03, 2014 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: 2018, 2020
A great series! 2020 re-read: each book seems to improve on the prior book, so enjoyable!
Kathy Davie
Mar 14, 2012 rated it it was amazing
Second in the Safehold military/religious science fiction series revolving around Merlin Athrawes and his mission to help the planet of Safehold evolve into what the original pioneers had intended...if she feels that is the proper path.

My Take
Phew...another intense story from David Weber. It's only similarity to his Honor Harrington series is that it's science fiction. Every once in awhile, I have to try and remember that this is the same author. Dang, he's good!

Yes, it was zealous and passionat
Review in “Off Armageddon Reef”.
Feb 17, 2013 rated it did not like it
Besides falling victim of an oppressive and corrupt church, the entire population of Safehold has been afflicted with verbose, wooden dialogue. The aliens that destroyed the Earth should come back and pillage the verbiage. A good ransacking would leave the surviving words stronger and desperate to have a purpose. Once the excess is culled there would be a decent story here. But if this is a possible future for humanity, I'm rooting for the aliens to destroy us.

Just shy of halfway through, and I'
Nov 21, 2013 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: scifi, novels
This is the second book in the Safehold serie. Not much happens in terms of action but we encounter the same cast of sympathetic heroes, with a few more added to the list ( esp the new Queen). It is kind of a filler book but I went fast through it and enjoyed so it still gets 3 stars. It is however not of the same caliber as the first book( and from what I am being told, this does not improve with later books where the story keeps dragging on).
Bob Wind
Jun 17, 2009 rated it did not like it
Absolutely nothing happens in this book. I wouldn't be surprised if you could skip directly from book one to book three and not miss a beat. This is the first of his books I have ever been dissapointed with. I bought it the day it came out and nearly returned it a day later once I had finished it because I was so upset with how stupid it was. ...more
Kevin Albee
Aug 18, 2008 rated it really liked it
A sequel to Armageddon's reef, This takes a look at religious fundamentalism at an extreme. Add in super science and a malevolent alien race bent on annihilation of everything not them and you have the back drop to this series.

I love it myself
Aug 18, 2009 rated it it was ok
Even more talking than book 3, if that's possible. Mr. Weber needs to remember that people are reading his books to see stuff get blown up, not to hear about the geopolitical ramifications of barrel rifling. ...more
Lady Kitten
Jun 09, 2015 rated it it was amazing
Another great book by David Weber. the current conflict between Charis and The Temple Lands is increasing. King Cayleb is fighting an ever more aggressive Mother Church which is being lead by the Group of Four. He finally finds his love. Who is it? What happens? Read the book to find out more.
Jun 28, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Wow, this book just gripped me and made it hard to let go, and I was yelling at the characters as i am known to do when I get wrapped up in it
I love the twists and turns and the character development as well and look forward to reading the next book in the series
Oct 19, 2015 rated it really liked it
Oh even better that I had hoped.
I really like David Weber.
His world building always comes together so well..
James Edwards
Mar 17, 2019 rated it really liked it
Shelves: science-fiction
A huge book in all senses of the word. This book had many more pages than Goodreads stated at 510, as it actually finished at 688. Also huge in scope & world building, as David Weber continues to alter the lives of the Safehold world, pushing the population through the character of Merlin towards sea changes in thinking & engineering. This novel gets long winded in some chapters, overly descriptive of thought processes, but eventually picks back up with plot flow & action. I’ll definitely read t ...more
May 09, 2020 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: audiobook

This is one of the longest transition books I've read where not a whole lot happened. lol However, I liked some of the unexpected plot turns and may dive into the #3 sooner vs later.
Travis Starnes
Mar 29, 2012 rated it liked it
If anything this book feels more like Weber is working to advance the world building and setting up for bigger conflicts. It is clear that Weber has a long term goal for the series but all the setup in this issue comes off as a little unsatisfactory when put next to the epic battles that closed out the previous installment. On the bright side for readers who like political maneuvering and Machiavellian schemes this book will hit the right notes and by the end there is a fairly complex web set up ...more
W.R. Edmunds
Jun 25, 2014 rated it it was ok
By Schism Rent Asunder continues the plight of Merlin Athrawes to free Safehold from the tyrannical and corrupt grip of the Church of God Awaiting. My review of Off Armageddon Reef sets the stage here and, while I had gotten used to the naming conventions enough to follow the story, Weber decided to increase his use of the internal monologue as a storytelling device. Moreover, this rote exposition is rarely necessary or of any value add, often recapping things without need, or showing you the de ...more
Jordan Steinhoff
Apr 23, 2012 rated it it was ok
Shelves: 2012
This book suffers a from a couple problems.

First, it followed Off Armageddon Reef which was an incredible read. Anything that followed that would seem pale by contrast.

Second, it is a total setup book.

This is all the worst parts of the later Honor Harrington books. All politics and intrigue, no action. Overly talkative characters speaking simply to add word count. Dialog was neither tight nor a real driving force. Many passages were far too reminiscent of the late day of the People's Republic of
Robert Aldrich
Feb 09, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Really enjoyed this book. If you are not one for political action, then you might find this book a bit boring. I find the overall theme of the story and characters fun to read and the physical action and the few battles that take place serve as highlights to the rest of the book. I imagine that at some point, there will be a great deal of fighting that takes place, and these other books serve to set the field and develop the underlying reasons for the fight.

Trying to think of these books as "sep
Jun 20, 2011 rated it did not like it
Did I miss something here, is this another "young adult" book being marketed at us "more mature" readers? The plot was predictable, the characters so black and white. The only thing that kept me reading was the enjoyment of the engineering problems encountered and solved during the artillery development. This will probably be by last David Weber. ...more
May 20, 2011 rated it it was ok
To me this book did not really go anywhere or move the over all plot of the series forward enough to warrant a whole book. I think it should have been part of the first book and not a stand alone book.
Feb 18, 2012 rated it it was ok
I was a little disappointed in this book after Armagedon's Reef. It lacked the technically descriptive battle scenes, and focused on "Mother Church" a fair amount. It's obviously an important part of the series, but I just felt like I had to get through it. ...more
Jean Corbel
Aug 16, 2012 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: sf
Finely crafted pretentious bullshit.
Miserable portraits, rude creftsmanship. Verbous.
Well, not bad to take for vacation, can be read taking sun and as fast forgotten (pls not on a clean beach).
Even worse than book1 : not even actions to create noise in the middle of boredom.
Below par SF.
Jul 11, 2014 rated it it was ok
Shelves: did-not-finish
Did not finish.

Way too wordy. Pages and pages of conversations that go almost nowhere and are, in any event, dull. The story needs to move forward faster than this to maintain my interest and I am just not willing to make the investment in time. There is too much else I want to read...
Mar 30, 2019 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: audiobooks
I would call this pseudo scifi as almost all innovation and technological advancements are copied from our own history. The writing style is too overflowing and embellishing - content do not hold this up at all and story is boring.
Jun 23, 2011 rated it it was ok
This book was just to slow paced. It had a good concept but to much wording.
Aug 01, 2014 rated it did not like it
Long winded and nowhere near as good as the first book. Will not be carrying on with this series!
Nov 18, 2014 rated it it was ok
This book got a bit too "epic" for me. The vast story line did not move along much. Overall a yawner. ...more
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David Mark Weber is an American science fiction and fantasy author. He was born in Cleveland, Ohio in 1952.

Many of his stories have military, particularly naval, themes, and fit into the military science fiction genre. He frequently places female leading characters in what have been traditionally male roles.

One of his most popular and enduring characters is Honor Harrington whose alliterated name

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