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Yunanlıların Trajik Çağında Felsefe

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Ünlü Alman düşünürü Friedrich Nietzsche'nin temel yapıtlarından sayılan "Yunanlıların Trajik Çağında Felsefe", aynı zamanda eski Yunan felsefesine giriş niteliğindedir. Nietzsche, en "arı" düşünceyi, metafiziğin de yaratıcısı diye nitelendirdiği Sokrates öncesi filozoflarında bulmuştur. Bu filozofların görüşlerini, henüz hiçbir akım ya da geleneğin etkisiyle bulandırılmamı ...more
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Published by Kabalcı Yayınevi (first published 1870)
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Ahmad Sharabiani
Philosophie im tragischen Zeitalter der Griechen = Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks, Friedrich Nietzsche
Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks (German: Philosophie im tragischen Zeitalter der Griechen) is an incomplete book by Friedrich Nietzsche. He had a clean copy made from his notes with the intention of publication. The notes were written around 1873. In it he discussed five Greek philosophers from the sixth and fifth centuries BC. They are: Thales, Anaximander, Heraclitus, Pa
peiman-mir5 rezakhani
دوستانِ گرانقدر، این کتاب از 19 بخش تشکیل شده است که هریک از بخش ها به دیگری پیوسته و مربوط است و همانطور که از عنوانِ کتاب پیداست، <نیچه> در این کتاب به برسیِ فلسفهٔ یونانِ باستان پرداخته است و آغازِ فلسفهٔ اندیشمندانه و اصیل را، مربوط به یونانِ باستان و پیش از سقراط و افلاطون دانسته و معتقد است که افلاطون و فلاسفهٔ پس از او، آمیخته ای از سخنان و فلسفهٔ گذشتگانشان را ارائه داده اند و فلسفهٔ ناب، نداشته اند.... فلاسفه ای که نیچه، بیش از دیگران به آنها توجه داشته و در این کتاب بسیار به بررس ...more
Amin Dorosti
Jul 09, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: greeks, nietzsche
در باب کتاب حکمت در دوران شکوفایی فکری یونانیان
نوشتۀ فریدریش نیچه، ترجمۀ کامبیز گوتن، انتشارات علمی و فرهنگی، چاپ سوم: 1386

این کتاب یکی از نخستین نوشتههای فریدریش نیچه است که در سال 1873 نوشته شده است. همانگونه که از عنوان کتاب پیداست، در این کتاب نیچه به بررسی فلسفه در عصر تراژیک یونان باستان پرداخته است. این کتاب که یکی از نخستین کتابهای نیچه است، در واقع نمونهای از دوران گذار او از زبانشناسی کلاسیک به فلسفه است. اگرچه تحصیلات دانشگاهی نیچه در رشتۀ الهیات و زبانشناسی کلاسیک بود، او در دانشگاه
Dec 18, 2012 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Anybody says they understand the Pre-Socratics at the first go is either a genius or a liar (or both!).

Philosophy books are not generally things that mere mortals can skim over, and this was no exception, with some sections requiring multiple reads to get even the basic points.

No false humility here, I hope, it just takes time for even an avid reader to get the concepts in place, much less the assertions that are being made about those concepts.

Then you have to remember what the prior points an
Evripidis Gousiaris
Παρόλο που δεν με έπεισε 100% για αυτά που λέει στο συγκεκριμένο βιβλίο, έχει τρομερό ενδιαφέρον να διαβάζεις την άποψη του για μερικούς Μεγάλους Έλληνες Φιλοσόφους.
Brandon Henke
Jul 12, 2014 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Deep, rich, alluring, and colorful. A brilliant young Nietzsche paints a vivid, romantic picture of pre-Socratic thought. The paints, five ancient Greek pillars of western philosophy. Our gaze is first directed at the star-burst white of Thales, the royal purples of Anaximander, the fiery reds of Heraclitus, the cold black of Parmenides, and culminates in the rainbow of Anaxagoras' wonderful creation.

A beautiful look at the seeds of Nietzsche's genius.
4.9 stars out of 5.0

"When one makes as tot
Dunya Buzidi
"كلما سعى فرد ما إلى الاكتفاء الذاتي ، كانت الفلسفة جاهزة دائمًا لمضاعفة عزلته و لتحطيمه داخل هذه العزلة."
"من العبث أن تُنسب للإغريق ثقافة أصلية ؛ نظرًا لأنهم عرفوا أنْ يلتقطوا الرمح من حيث تركه شعب آخر ، لكي يلقوا به إلى أبعد."
"إنَّ كل صيرورة هي طريقة مذنبة للتحرر من الوجود الأبدي ، و هي ظلم يجب التكفير عنه بالموت." (انكسيمندريس).
"إنكم تستعملون أسماء الأشياء كما لو كان لها زمن ثابت ، و لكن حتى النهر الذي تنزلون فيه للمرة الثانية ، ليس هو نفسه كما كان لأول مرة." (الفيلسوف الدامع - هيرقليطس).
Aug 09, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
4.5 stars

I am upset with myself.
No. I am downright mad at myself.

Here is the “connective tissue,” the link between Nietzsche’s The Birth of Tragedy and his later work. And, on my shelves, it sat. For years.

Although I had read portions of it, I never did return to read this wonderful text cover-to-cover. Ah, such is the sometime nature of the undergraduate sensibility! Excerpts. Sections. And "never enough time." Apparently.

As a philologist, Nietzsche obviously was intimately familiar with the cl

The young Nietzsche on the impotence of Philosophy...

This book has much of interest to say about various Greek philosophers but precious little to say of Nietzsche's method of proceeding. Of that Nietzsche says, in the preface that "philosophical systems are wholly true for their founders only. For all subsequent philosophers they usually represent one great mistake, for lesser minds a sum of errors and truths. Taken as ultimate ends, in any event, they represent an error..." In this b
Bogdan Raț
Oct 25, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
„Există o necesitate de oțel care îl leagă pe un filozof adevărat de o adevărată cultură; însă ce se întâmplă când nu există o asemenea cultură? Atunci filozoful este asemenea unei comete, al cărei drum nu poate fi calculat, și din cauza aceasta el stârnește spaimă, în vreme ce, în împrejurări favorabile, el luminează asemenea unei constelații strălucitoare în sistemul solar al culturii. Aceasta îi face pe greci să-i justifice pe filozofi: pentru că numai în lumea lor filozoful nu este o cometă. ...more
Kareem Ashour
الكتاب اظنه مناوائل كتابات نيتشه و يظهر فيه تاثره بفلسفه شوبنهاور و يشرح فيه فلسفات الاغريق الاوائل .. كما ينتقد فيه بشئ مبطن اقوال كانط
مستقبل مؤسساتنا التعليمية

يتناول نينشه ((مستقبل مؤسساتنا التعليمية))، ويرمي بها إلى التربية والتعليم اللذان سيؤديان إلى ((الثقافة)). لا إلى تناول القوانين الجافة والجداول.

فمن هو المثقف؟ أو ما مدى إسهام مؤسساتنا التعليمية في تكوين الثقافة؟

يوضح أولا، أن المثقف، ليس العالِم المتفرغ لتخصص معين وحده دون سواه! مع أن ذلك يتناسب مع العصر الحالي المتطلب لعقل نفعي، وتحقيق نجاحات سريعة، والحصول على وظيفة في أسرع وقت. ويوضح ذلك بقوله: "من تقليص نطاق الثقافة إن لم يكن تدميرها، هو أن ي
D.S. Mattison
May 08, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: lovers of presocratics and Nietzsche
If Reginald Allen's treatment of the early philosophers is concise, then Nietzsche's is illuminating. This book is not only about the certain thoughts of certain men, but rather it is about how their personalities and lifestyles were shaped by these same thoughts. Nietzsche claims that nowhere today can we find a person who has such conviction as these men did, however absurd their ideas might seem to us now. More important than his discussion of trends in ancient philosophy is the explosive eme ...more
A young Nietzsche shows his depth of understanding for the Greeks. Though NIetzsche said no young man could understand the Greeks, he disproved his own point. But maybe he never was a young man. I am a young man, and I am far from understanding the Greeks themselves. Which is why it's good that there are books like this one that will bring me closer to understanding them.
Aug 14, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Kitap üç bölümden oluşuyor, ikinci bölüm yani Thales-Socrates arası dönem filozoflarına ait olan kısım çok iyi. Nietzche’nin şiirsel, nüktedan dili çok hoş, örneklemeler basit, keyifle okunuyor. Diğer iki bölüm birer küçük bağımsız denemeler, tabii ki antik Yunan felsefesine ait.
Baraa Qudah
كتاب لنيتشة وهو شاب يحتوي ملاحظاته حول بعض فلاسفة الاغريق ما قبل افلاطون ..

يفيد الاطلاع عليه من له اهتمام بتلك الفترة او لمن له اهتمام بتطور نيتشة و فلسفته

HuDa AljaNabi
Jul 23, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
أشبع من فضولي حول الفلسفة والاغريق وأفكار نيتشه, خليط مميز :)
m. soria
Aug 03, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
he was a grad student when he wrote this. great way to meet him, and know more about his ideas than syphilis and the anti-christ.
Gamal elneel
احتفظوا بكل ازدهار وحياة واغراء
وأعطونى فقط هذا اليقين الوحيد عديم الفائدة
Aslı Can
Nietzche'ye göre Antik Yunan dediğimiz şey, asıl Sokrates öncesi dönem. Çünkü Nietzsche, Sokrates'i ondan önce yaşamış düşünürlerin yaşadığı ve yaşattığı daha saf bir geleneğin katili, belki de tarihin en eli kanlı katili olarak görüyor.

Bu kitapta da sırasıyla Thales, Anaksimandros, Herakleitos, Parmenides ve Anaksagoras ile tanışmış olacaksınız. Nietzsche'nin şiirsel dili eşliğinde bu insanlarla tanışmak benim için çok güzel bir deneyim oldu.
Kanske Ervast Svartfors
One of the most easy to read book from Nietzsche, as he only explains ancient Greek thought in his own way. Very enjoyable to read!
Ana Craciun
O bulimica antologie a celor 7 valuri filozofice grecesti care se incheie cu o descriere a lui Socrate ca fiind un plebeu incult.
Sep 29, 2012 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
With his reverential concerns and exaltation to the way, the standpoints and culture of the Greeks, Nietzsche uses transcendental wit that only his mischievous writing could manifest so thoughtfully and delicately.

This was not an easy task for him as he spoke on a detailing scale for a few of the Greeks he believed that set a colloquial and prodding notion for communication to transpire. Two figures he focused on, in his opinion, set this notion and even to our standards of living today. Thales
Ian Stewart
Sep 12, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
An introduction to the little-known Greek thinkers who shaped philosophy before the time of Socrates from a 19th century German thinker who does not seem to think (with some exceptions) that we have become any wiser. Not very familiar with opinion of the pre-Socratic sages but somewhat familiar with Nietzche's biography I suspect this introduction is just as much, if not even more, an introduction to his philosophy. That said, it takes these ideas seriously as important and able to change the me ...more
Oct 28, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
An unfinished early manuscript by the last great metaphysician of the West examining several pre-Socratic philosophers of the early classical age. This is a slim volume, but Nietzsche manages to pack in a thorough review of Thales, Anaximander, Heraclitus, Parmenides, and Anaxagoras. As a trained philologist, Nietzsche knew the Greeks well and pulls the reader into the marvelous ancient culture that produced these philosophers. Although I found the treatment of Parmenides somewhat dismissive, Ni ...more
Jan 08, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Written as if by a shadow of his future self, but still good.

Favorite quote:

"A period which suffers from a so-called high general level of liberal education but which is devoid of culture in the sense of a unity of style which characterizes all its life, will not quite know what to do with philosophy and wouldn't, if the Genius of Truth himself were to proclaim it in the streets and the market places.

During such times philosophy remains the learned monologue of the lonely stroller, the accident
Întotdeauna mi s-a părut incredibil cum poți reconstitui un întreg pornind de la nimic altceva decât fragmente și bănuieli. Multe dintre vasele vechi din muzee n-au decât un ciob sau două din original, restul e refăcut, dar atât de bine, că de n-ar fi patina să-l de-a de gol, n-ai afla în veci.
Iar când vine vorba de reconstrucția de texte, Nietzsche e un adevărat detectiv; știe să reproducă pașii parcurși în gândire ai Titanilor pierduți ai filosofiei (ie presocraticii) cu o finețe de roman po
David Sabo
Apr 17, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I dont deny that it was a necessary bridge that needed to be crossed so that we could end up where we are, but man... Nietzsche did a great job analyzing the worthless philosophical points done by pre-socratic philosophers but I just couldn't be bothered to finish the book. Just a bunch of desperate men trying to make sense of existence by using limiting words which in turn limit their mind. Then, they take these limited concepts of e.g. time, water as the source of existance, negative and posit ...more
Andre Piucci
Oct 10, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
"Quando se trata de homens distantes de nós, basta conhecermos o seus fins para logo os aceitar ou rejeitar em sua totalidade. Quanto aos mais próximos, julgamo-los de acordo com os meios pelos quais atingem seus fins: frequentemente desprezamos seus fins, porém os amamos pelo meios e pelo modo de seu querer. Afinal, os sistemas filosóficos são totalmente verdadeiros apenas para seus fundadores: para todos os filósofos posteriores são normalmente um grande erro; para as cabeças mais fracas, uma ...more
Oct 27, 2017 rated it liked it
Niçe'nin en beğendiğim eserlerinden birisi oldu kitap. Sokrates öncesi döneme fazla hakim olmadığım için ilgiyle takip ettim Niçe'nin bu döneme ait verdiği bilgileri. En yakın zamanda sokrates öncesi filozofları araştırmam gerekiyor. Bana göre antik yunan hala 2 büyük isme sahip Aristo ve Plato... Niçe bu algımı ayaklar altına aldı. Kendisine teşekkür ediyorum.

Felsefe hakkında yarı bilgili olduğumu bu kitap bana gösterdi. Kitabın piyasada düzgün bir çevirisini bulmak zor, mecburen Say'ın çeviris
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Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche was a German philosopher of the late 19th century who challenged the foundations of Christianity and traditional morality. He was interested in the enhancement of individual and cultural health, and believed in life, creativity, power, and the realities of the world we live in, rather than those situated in a world beyond. Central to his philosophy is the idea of “life- ...more
“Words are but symbols for the relations of things to one another and to us; nowhere do they touch upon absolute truth.... Through words and concepts we shall never reach beyond the wall off relations, to some sort of fabulous primal ground of things.” 66 likes
“إننا نكفر عن ولادتنا مرة أولى بحياتنا ومرة ثانية بموتنا.” 25 likes
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