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Yunanlıların Trajik Çağında Felsefe

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Ünlü Alman düşünürü Friedrich Nietzsche'nin temel yapıtlarından sayılan "Yunanlıların Trajik Çağında Felsefe", aynı zamanda eski Yunan felsefesine giriş niteliğindedir. Nietzsche, en "arı" düşünceyi, metafiziğin de yaratıcısı diye nitelendirdiği Sokrates öncesi filozoflarında bulmuştur. Bu filozofların görüşlerini, henüz hiçbir akım ya da geleneğin etkisiyle bulandırılmamı ...more
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Published by Kabalcı Yayınevi (first published 1873)
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Ahmad Sharabiani
Philosophie im tragischen Zeitalter der Griechen = Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks, Friedrich Nietzsche

Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks is an incomplete book by Friedrich Nietzsche. He had a clean copy made from his notes with the intention of publication. The notes were written around 1873.

In it he discussed five Greek philosophers from the sixth and fifth centuries BC. They are: Thales, Anaximander, Heraclitus, Parmenides, and Anaxagoras. He had, at one time, intended to
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Athens
Dec 18, 2012 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Anybody says they understand the Pre-Socratics at the first go is either a genius or a liar (or both!).

Philosophy books are not generally things that mere mortals can skim over, and this was no exception, with some sections requiring multiple reads to get even the basic points.

No false humility here, I hope, it just takes time for even an avid reader to get the concepts in place, much less the assertions that are being made about those concepts.

Then you have to remember what the prior points an
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Vladivostok
Jul 12, 2014 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Deep, rich, alluring, and colorful. A brilliant young Nietzsche paints a vivid, romantic picture of pre-Socratic thought. The paints, five ancient Greek pillars of western philosophy. Our gaze is first directed at the star-burst white of Thales, the royal purples of Anaximander, the fiery reds of Heraclitus, the cold black of Parmenides, and culminates in the rainbow of Anaxagoras' wonderful creation.

A beautiful look at the seeds of Nietzsche's genius.
4.9 stars out of 5.0

"When one makes as tot
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R.a.
Aug 09, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
4.5 stars

I am upset with myself.
No. I am downright mad at myself.

Here is the “connective tissue,” the link between Nietzsche’s The Birth of Tragedy and his later work. And, on my shelves, it sat. For years.

Although I had read portions of it, I never did return to read this wonderful text cover-to-cover. Ah, such is the sometime nature of the undergraduate sensibility! Excerpts. Sections. And "never enough time." Apparently.

As a philologist, Nietzsche obviously was intimately familiar with the cl
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Illiterate
Nietzsche's presocratics respond heroically to Being, fusing their individual characters with their ideas. It's the myth of the archaic as authentic.
Joe
09/15/2004

The young Nietzsche on the impotence of Philosophy...

This book has much of interest to say about various Greek philosophers but precious little to say of Nietzsche's method of proceeding. Of that Nietzsche says, in the preface that "philosophical systems are wholly true for their founders only. For all subsequent philosophers they usually represent one great mistake, for lesser minds a sum of errors and truths. Taken as ultimate ends, in any event, they represent an error..." In this b
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D.S. Mattison
May 08, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: lovers of presocratics and Nietzsche
If Reginald Allen's treatment of the early philosophers is concise, then Nietzsche's is illuminating. This book is not only about the certain thoughts of certain men, but rather it is about how their personalities and lifestyles were shaped by these same thoughts. Nietzsche claims that nowhere today can we find a person who has such conviction as these men did, however absurd their ideas might seem to us now. More important than his discussion of trends in ancient philosophy is the explosive eme ...more
Michael
A young Nietzsche shows his depth of understanding for the Greeks. Though NIetzsche said no young man could understand the Greeks, he disproved his own point. But maybe he never was a young man. I am a young man, and I am far from understanding the Greeks themselves. Which is why it's good that there are books like this one that will bring me closer to understanding them.
m. soria
Aug 03, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
he was a grad student when he wrote this. great way to meet him, and know more about his ideas than syphilis and the anti-christ.
Kanske Svartfors
One of the most easy to read book from Nietzsche, as he only explains ancient Greek thought in his own way. Very enjoyable to read!
Christian
Sep 29, 2012 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
With his reverential concerns and exaltation to the way, the standpoints and culture of the Greeks, Nietzsche uses transcendental wit that only his mischievous writing could manifest so thoughtfully and delicately.

This was not an easy task for him as he spoke on a detailing scale for a few of the Greeks he believed that set a colloquial and prodding notion for communication to transpire. Two figures he focused on, in his opinion, set this notion and even to our standards of living today. Thales
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River
Sep 13, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Astute, shrewd, and delicious, this is the dark chocolate of philosophy - Nietzche & the Heart of Greek Philosophy. I read this to compliment my Greek Philosophy class and, wow, this was a privileged insight by which to develop my understanding of the Pre-Socratic thinkers. Nietzche's passionate intellect examines the first great thinkers of philosophy and the culmination of their ideas. All the questions of philosophy originate from their initial observations: coming-to-be, the nature of the so ...more
Ian Stewart
Sep 12, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
An introduction to the little-known Greek thinkers who shaped philosophy before the time of Socrates from a 19th century German thinker who does not seem to think (with some exceptions) that we have become any wiser. Not very familiar with opinion of the pre-Socratic sages but somewhat familiar with Nietzche's biography I suspect this introduction is just as much, if not even more, an introduction to his philosophy. That said, it takes these ideas seriously as important and able to change the me ...more
Cameron
Oct 28, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
An unfinished early manuscript by the last great metaphysician of the West examining several pre-Socratic philosophers of the early classical age. This is a slim volume, but Nietzsche manages to pack in a thorough review of Thales, Anaximander, Heraclitus, Parmenides, and Anaxagoras. As a trained philologist, Nietzsche knew the Greeks well and pulls the reader into the marvelous ancient culture that produced these philosophers. Although I found the treatment of Parmenides somewhat dismissive, Ni ...more
Roslyn
Jan 08, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Written as if by a shadow of his future self, but still good.

Favorite quote:

"A period which suffers from a so-called high general level of liberal education but which is devoid of culture in the sense of a unity of style which characterizes all its life, will not quite know what to do with philosophy and wouldn't, if the Genius of Truth himself were to proclaim it in the streets and the market places.

During such times philosophy remains the learned monologue of the lonely stroller, the accident
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David Sabo
Apr 17, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I dont deny that it was a necessary bridge that needed to be crossed so that we could end up where we are, but man... Nietzsche did a great job analyzing the worthless philosophical points done by pre-socratic philosophers but I just couldn't be bothered to finish the book. Just a bunch of desperate men trying to make sense of existence by using limiting words which in turn limit their mind. Then, they take these limited concepts of e.g. time, water as the source of existance, negative and posit ...more
Joseph Knecht
The Greatest Tragedy of all the ages is that the greatest minds that lived in the Pre-Socratic periods were forever lost. These people were the originators of all original thought in ontology and metaphysics, upon which all philosophy and science were built on top of. Not much remains of their thought, other than small fragments retold to us by some of their students through the centuries.

Nietzche in this book tries to collect the thoughts of the seven great Sages in Ancient Greece. He reflects
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mh
Oct 24, 2020 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Good book.

At only 29,000 words, this book doesn't require a lot of time to read, but keeping track of the nuanced differences in the outlooks of a handful of ancient Greeks does require concentration. I'm glad this book is short.

This is my second or third rereading, and though I felt the opaque parts were becoming clearer, while reading I often found myself thinking that what I really need to do is reread The Birth of Tragedy and then come back to reread Philosophy in the Tragic Age. Famous la
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Sergej van Middendorp
Gave me a new, and expanded understanding of the key ideas of some of the pre-socratic philosophers, by the hand of a rhetorical master. His choice and emphasis foreshadowing some of his own, later thinking and ideas. Good to read in the knowledge that this was drafted up early in his career. Read it right after reading Stephen Fry’s Mythos, which provides a nice context for reading these ideas, und helps understanding the motivation of these early philosophers to look beyond Myth.
Karl Hallbjörnsson
Wanted to see Nietzsche's thought on Parmenides, ended up reading the whole thing. Wasn't disappointed. Kind of annoying how it doesn't really have a proper end, though. It's like he left the work unfinished. A shame, really.
Tvrtko Balić
Jan 08, 2019 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is a great overview of pre-Socratic Greek philosophy, if you only started studying philosophy and want to hear what you are studying about presented by a great poetic soul that is Nietzsche, you are not going to be disappointed.
Clive Hazell
Apr 18, 2019 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Terrific

An excellent description of this important group of philosophers. It is done in a clear manner. It is surprising to see Nietzsche in such a "systematic" mode. Yet in this we see the roots of his other work. I bet he was a terrific teacher, it is so well laid out.
Alina Dandara
May 28, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
We are made of fire and it keeps us alive as long as we know how to deal with our nature.
BeamOfSunlight
Aug 04, 2019 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
It's just a wonderful look at a topic that fascinates me. Nietzsche seems like he would have been a wonderful teacher.
Adnan
What can I say? Nietzsche once again blew my mind completely. I am tearing apart at the beauty of this unfinished symphony, a requiem of elegant and brilliant light. Nietzsche is a poet, a philosopher, a historian, and a mad man! This books brings to mind Anthony Kenny's masterful brief proof that the history of philosophy is indeed an engagement in philosophy as well, and is not limited to historiography and reading the dust-coated volumes of antiquity.

Nietzsche tries to understand the Presocra
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Donald
Sep 22, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: sjc
Everything up to and including Heraclitus is great. Everything after is not as great.
Andrew Simmons
Feb 05, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
An interesting inquiry into the Presocratics. Nietzsche basically is trying to understand and relate his understanding of the Presocratics via themes, and this text sticks mainly to themes. What occurs are the themes of one and the many, logic and the senses, man and the world, and one specific theme of the child-zeus-spirit that is the grand creator, with creation as its game. One can see where Nietzsche is forming his initial thoughts which continue throughout his work. Overall, a nice and sho ...more
Erik Graff
Jan 15, 2009 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Nietzsche fans
Recommended to Erik by: no one
Shelves: philosophy
It may have been good that Nietzsche failed as a classical philologist and became an aphoristic philosopher. If this--or The Birth of Tragedy for that matter--is representative of his scholarship, he would not have survived in a truly academic environment. Instead, one finds here a Romantic appropriation of the several of the pre-Socratics.
Lew
Oct 23, 2007 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Nietszche's thinnest volume, an early one. Little known (I think). The premise is that once a philosopher's work is done and assigned to the shelf, there is still a personality alive within it. He draws subtle portraits of the pre-Socratics as , well, men.
Nate Markham
Oct 08, 2011 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
great read. basically nietzsche picks out the ancient greek philosophers who he feels should be remembered in the history of human thought. a good place to begin learning philosophy, then work into the individual philosophers he documents here.
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