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He eivät tiedä mitä tekevät

3.82  ·  Rating details ·  2,725 ratings  ·  239 reviews
Mitä tapahtuu kun isä tutkii työkseen kissojen hermosoluja ja pojan elämäntehtävä on puolustaa eläinten oikeuksia?

Alussa on pieni perhe: Joe, Alina ja vastasyntynyt Samuel. Joe on amerikkalainen neurotieteilijä, joka yrittää edetä urallaan uudessa kotimaassaan Suomessa. Alina on puolestaan jättänyt omat opintonsa ja keskittyy hoitamaan Samuelia kotona.

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Hardcover, 559 pages
Published 2014 by Tammi
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Lark Benobi
This novel is an excoriating look at the way privileged people can excuse their self-congratulatory and selfish behaviors, both to themselves and to others, by convincing themselves that their choices are motivated by selflessness.

The characters in this novel excel at finding a social cause that aligns with their own best interests. They are good at thinking they are good, even when they are behaving selfishly and stupidly. As I read I couldn't help but examine my own beliefs and actions in a m
Oct 15, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: librarything
Joe Chayefski is a highly respected American neurologist. At the beginning of his career, he moved to Finland to marry the woman he loved. They had a child, Samuel. But Joe has difficulty adjusting to Finnish life and work. When his marriage falls apart, he returns to the US, leaving his ex-wife and child in Finland. His work flourishes in the US and at the present time, he’s married with two daughters. Animal activists start targeting Joe and his family and it appears that his estranged son, Sa ...more
Lily S.
Jun 29, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Amazing book!

Detailed review soon!
Jana Černá
The same day I returned a craft beer in my favorite pub for the first time, I gave up reading this book. I’m too old to drink beer I don’t like and to read books I don’t like.
The first chapter narrated from Alina’s point of view was promising. The theme itself is promising and it’s a hot issue, do doubt. Author’s style is easy to read and the characters are vivid. But around page 70 I realized I was fed up with the long descriptions of academic environment and academic problems. Yes, it’s a very
Gare Billings
So, this one is going to be sweet and short. This was 100% not the read for me. I will tell you, the writing is fantastic and the characters were really well-written. So here we have it...

The Good: The plot to this one was definitely unique and Valtonen has a way with just taking a complex and story unlike any other and weaving it into this crazy mountain of multiple storylines and really showing the different changes the characters make throughout the amount of time we get to hear their perspec
Dec 11, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: cjsreads
Thank you to ONEWorld Publications for the advanced ebook copy in exchange for my honest review.

Right off the bat, I will say that this title was definitely marketed incorrectly. If you're expecting a thriller, then you may be disappointed when you realize its more of a contemporary fiction novel (which isn't a bad thing!). Just go into THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO knowing that it isn't a thriller. However, it is a great character study with an intertwining story between them.

Joe Chayefski has fin
Waltsu H.
The book is a bit too straggly. It becomes rather obvious that the writer is a psychologist, because he just cannot let go of the over-analytical inner dialogue he has his characters wrapped up in. It was interesting and clever the first time around, but by page six hundred of an eight-hundred page book, it was just too much exposition and as a result; became indescribably annoying.

And talking about annoying; this book features the most irritating main character I've ever read. He's condescendi
Nov 12, 2017 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
I am not afraid to admit that this book was over my head. Yet, this is not a good thing as it means that the story can't translate to all readers. In the beginning, as I was reading this book, I was willing to forgive this aspect and keep reading. This continued on for about a hundred pages and than I could not let it go. There was nothing to grab me and keep me intrigued in the story or the characters. The voices of the characters were monotone and as were their note. This b ...more
Jul 08, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
They Know Not What They Do is the English translation of a Finnish novel from 2014. It's a dense, ambitious work that has elements of suspense, psychology, philosophy, and dystopian technology. It starts with a fairly unspectacular relationship between an American man, Joe, and a Finnish woman, Alina. Joe is a scientist who meets Alina at a conference. The two have a brief affair and decide to marry when she gets pregnant. Joe relocates to Helsinki despite the misgivings of his family.

Joe is so
Oct 22, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Thanks to the publisher, One World, via LibraryThing, for an Uncorrected Advance Reader's Copy in exchange for my honest review.

This novel is the winner of the Finlandia Prize 2014. The author is a psychologist from Helsinski. He studied neuropsychology as a Fullbright scholar at Johns Hopkins so he is well-qualified to write about the subjects in his book. This is a hard book to review without spoilers.

The protagonist, Joe, is a top neuroscientist involved in research using live animals which d
Mar 21, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I liked a lot about this book.

The initial premise of a young American who abandons his wife and child in Finland and then faces repercussions in later years when he is a respected scientist works well. The opening scenes between the newlyweds are well written and feel genuine.

The iAm and it's marketing to teenage consumers is a brilliant concept and very believable. The animal rights debate is worth reading about and their are many astute observations about what it means to be a parent especial
Nov 09, 2017 rated it it was amazing
400 pages of bitterness, or so it seemed. A great book with hidden realizations.
Nov 11, 2017 rated it really liked it
Shelves: my-own-bookshelf
Valtonen knows how to create believable characters and build a story. Great thoughts about cultural differences, what is important, what is right and wrong. And also some twists to the end.
So more like 4.5 stars. Only thing for me, was the slowness in some parts and the time lining, so I didnt give it 5 stars. But definitely a must read.
Georgina Lara
I found this book thanks to World Literature Today and I'm glad I did.

The characters in this book cannot take responsibility for any of their actions which to me is the main theme througout this book. This is what keeps the story going. And because of this, the characters will create excuses after they've done something to try to justify their actions.

Because of their immaturity and privilege they have an inability to face life, its consequences and dissapointments which in turn makes them retre

Sam (Clues and Reviews)
Over the holidays, I spent several hours (okay…fine, days) binge-watching Zoo, the TV series based on the book by James Patterson. As soon as I read the synopsis for the #cjsreads pick, They Know Not What They Do by Jussi Valtonen, I got a serious Zoo vibe from it, probably based on the fact that the lead character, Joe Chayefski (a neuroscientist) has his lab targeted by animal rights activists. I eagerly dove in, anxious to see if my suspicions were correct. They were not.

Not by a long shot.
I'm not completely sure if I want to give this book three or four stars, so it probably falls to 3.5. There were some parts that were extremely well written, but some parts were left hanging and there was a certain feeling of unfinished business. This is one of those books that takes ~150 pages to get even properly started, and then the pace is slow to say the least. The way it depicts the American university system is excellent, and there are insights into neuroscience and animal testing that a ...more
Dora Okeyo
Sep 21, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: netgalley
Have you ever read a book that you thought was messing with your head?
This book made me feel like I was missing something from the very beginning and you know what, I loved that. I respect that because for any writer to delve into the intricate thoughts of characters and bring out their flaws in a way that the reader acknowledges, without affecting the narrative adversely is not an easy fete. Hats off to Mr Valtonen!
The story centers around Joe, a renowned Neuroscientist who on the outside seem
Mar 08, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Someone looking to be challenged
This book messed with my head - I was drawn to it because I enjoyed Dave Eggers' The Circle, and it started to wander in that general direction before taking a strange turn that had me wondering if whoever suggested this book was for fans of Eggers actually finished the book...
I admit that I struggled to reconcile where I originally thought the book was going with where it started heading halfway through, and almost put it aside as it continued to switch between the inner journey of a now middle
Tzu-Mainn Chen
Mar 06, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
(Note: I did not actually read this edition of the book, as I have discovered that I cannot read Finnish. I read a translation that my library somehow obtained from the U.K. The translation is not available in the U.S., and does not appear in Goodreads.)

The jacket flap for "They Know Not What They Do" makes it sound like a techno-thriller. It's not. This is a story about divergent lives after a failed marriage between an American man and a Finnish woman, as the man returns to America and starts
Sherry Mackay
The book description given here doesn’t seem to have much to do with this book. The story is not really like that at all. I found it rather overwhelming with so many different themes thrown in - it was hard to keep up. It started one way and then kept going off into tangents. I never knew which subject I was supposed to concentrate on. Pretentious title which had nothing to do with the story. Book too long by half. Boring characters who seem clueless and selfish. At least the translation seemed ...more
Heidi Svendsen
I got sucked into this book right away. While reading there was always a feeling that I was missing something important. This feeling got me going through the book, and made me unable to let it go. The ending was so full of suspense that I had to pry the book out of my own hands.

The language could be a little bit easier to read, but only because I would like to read the book faster. It is absolutely a book to read if one like books which quickly build suspense and wondering.

One part of the book
Reading Fool
Jan 15, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2018, giveaways
I received an Advance Reader's Copy of this book.

This is the epic story of Joe Chayefski, a well-respected neuroscience researcher, and his son Samuel, whom he abandoned when he left his wife in Finland to move back to America to continue his research. Samuel is now 20 and is involved with an organization who wants to change the world. The two meet again as both men pursue their passion for their work. A subplot is the story of Joe's daughter Rebecca, who is commissioned by a tech company to sam
Many things are wrong with the world and this book explores all of them. Well, the morality of animal testing and radical activism, the dangers of technology, how corporate evil infiltrates our lives, and worst of all, how badly academia in Finland sucks. The author is so critical of his home country and its people (who will not meet your eye or talk to you unless it is to blurt out racist sentiments) that I was surprised to learn it won the country's fanciest literary prize. It's ambitious and ...more
World Literature Today
"Jussi Valtonen writes about individuals and how they experience life with such exact attention to detail that, at first, his novel reads like The Way We Live Now reconfigured for the mid-twenty-first century. He shares Trollope’s sharp wit, insight into why people act as they do, and fascination for the way social settings shape their actions. On the other hand, Valtonen’s villains are not so much individuals as closed groups—political, commercial, cultish—that thrive on organizing acquisitiven ...more
Fran Fisher
Jan 14, 2018 rated it really liked it
They Know Not What They Do

Difficult to say if I have the right book as I don't read Finnish. But it looks like the same number of words, so here goes. And the same author

I read this book in English. Hey, I'm an American, I read everything in English.

Anyway, it's been translated. And it is quite good. A thriller in the heavy, teaching, questioning style of Franzen. Gripping and beautiful, the very depths of the soul clarified and illuminated for the reader, the small moments rising to a perfect c
Nov 05, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This was really fucking terrifying.

Though everything was presented like some long drawn out lecture on possible dystopian present, I feel like I ended up learning a ton about things I took for granted, and for that and for the last part when the pace picks up, this is getting a solid 4. Otherwise the narration felt stilted, maybe because of the translation, and the beginning dragged. I believe the beginning should have been in the middle or edited more and made concise. Also, that title, I get
Feb 18, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
A novel with a clear insight into Nordic and American research and academic publishing, I admit, is not going to appeal to everyone as much as to me. But an insightful and engaging tech and research-based story that acknowledges Rushkoff and Turkle? That earns a recommendation for at least half of my friends list.

Just one note on the translation though: I highly doubt a Finnish author used 'Scandinavia' where it appears in the English here.
Aug 04, 2019 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I liked the book except some 50+ somewhere around page 200+ I think. I really enjoyed the rest of the book especially the second half. The ending was sad but very realistic. When living in a world where the media can change everything as per their propaganda, what can someone believe? Some portions of the book is written exceptionally well.
Jul 22, 2019 rated it really liked it
A masterfully written book, that depicts two sides of the same coin. Intelligence and emotion seep from the work. Yet, there are some overly political and tech-savvy passages that were not engaging at all. Still a good read, especially for those who like animal rights activism or unusual (partial) Finnish setting.
This was long and I'm not 100% sure it was worth it, though I was impressed by the depth of the character development and by the way the storylines merged eventually. I could have done with less of Alina's inner journey, given that the ultimate focus of the book was the father/son relationship. Lots of good stuff here, though, if a bit inflated.
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