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The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

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At the heart of this classic, seminal book is Julian Jaynes's still-controversial thesis that human consciousness did not begin far back in animal evolution but instead is a learned process that came about only three thousand years ago and is still developing. The implications of this revolutionary scientific paradigm extend into virtually every aspect of our psychology, o ...more
Paperback, 512 pages
Published August 15th 2000 by Mariner Books (first published 1976)
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Terence
Jan 19, 2010 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Terence by: GR friend Jim's review
I am giving Julian Jaynes’ The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (The Origin) four stars not because I’ve become a devoted follower of his theory – I haven’t – but because it reflects exactly how I feel about it – I “really liked it.” Jaynes writes in such a commanding manner that you’re helplessly swept along to the end (at which point, you can finally catch your breath and begin to assess what’s just happened). Once he’s determined the correctness of his hypothesis ...more
Bill
May 17, 2007 rated it it was ok
Recommends it for: science fiction buffs
Shelves: pop-science
Coming in a close third after Immanuel Kant's Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics That Will Be Able to Come Forward As Science and Beeban Kidron's To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar in the World's Clunkiest Title competition, TOoCitBotBM is surprisingly accessible given the amount of ground it covers. Combining analyses of psychology, archeology, and ancient literature, Jaynes comes up with an astounding hypothesis: early man's mind was nothing like the thing we carry around in o ...more
peiman-mir5 rezakhani
دوستان گرانقدر، بدون تردید کتابی مشابه این کتاب را با چنین موضوعِ کارشناسی شده و البته چالش برانگیز، پیدا نخواهید کرد
فصل های ابتدایی تا میانه های کتاب، بیشتر حول شرح و توضیح در موردِ «ذهن دوجایگاهی» چرخیده و البته مثالهای بسیار جالبی در خصوص این موضوع بیان کرده است و به نوعی اثبات نموده که در هزاره های پیش و در دوران باستان، مغز انسانها دارای دو بخش با عملکرد متفاوت بوده است که یکی مربوط به زبان گفتگو و سخن گفتن و تصمیم گیری بوده و دیگری مربوط به فرمان برداری از هرچیزی که تصور میکردند که از آنه
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Manny
Jan 30, 2009 rated it liked it
Either a work of unparalleled genius, or completely out-to-lunch loopy. No one, not even Richard Dawkins, appears quite certain which description to apply.

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There are surprising resonances between Jaynes's ideas and those proposed by Feyerabend in Chapter 16 of Against Method. I was particularly struck by the following passage (italics as in original):
The transition from [the Homeric/archaic Greek view of the world] to [the classical Greek view of the world] thu
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mohsen pourramezani
فرضیهی کلی کتاب این است که انسانهایی که حدود ده هزار تا چهار هزار سال پیش از میلاد زندگی میکردند دارای آگاهی نبودند و ذهنی دوساحتی داشتند. انسانهای اولیه مانند بیماران اسکیزوفرنیک صداهایی میشنیدند که به آنها امر و نهی میکرد و این صداها کارکرد همان آگاهی را داشت. پس از تغییراتی مانند به وجود آمدن خط و... این ذهن دوساحتی فروپاشید و آگاهی جای آن را گرفت

کتاب خیلی خوبی بود. از دستهی کتابهای مغز شخم زننده همراه با لذتِ یادگیری
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Erik Graff
Sep 22, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: everyone
Recommended to Erik by: Linda Sue Harrington
Shelves: psychology
This was one of the most stimulating and important books I've ever encountered by a psychologist. Although flawed in some important respects, it is profoundly provocative, suggesting areas for further speculation and research not only in psychology, but also in the cultural anthropology of religions.

The primary flaw of Jayne's work is his literary evidence for the claim that humans didn't develop reflective consciousness until ca. 1000 BCE. He relies too much on the earlier texts of the Iliad fo
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Jan Rice
In the process of trying to decide where to begin my review of The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds, it suddenly occurred to me that revisiting Julian Jaynes' 1976 book would be a place to start. Since this morning I've lost the thread of why I thought so, but maybe I'll remember as I go along.

I have the original 1976 hardback, but since there's a bookstore sticker on the back that says "2/28/78," I know I didn't read it until then. The impetus was that I was a graduate stude
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Taka
Jul 04, 2015 rated it it was amazing
Amazing--

Reading The Iliad and the Old Testament of the Bible, I've always wondered about one distinctive feature they both share: an utter lack of interiority, of introspection by the characters. I brushed it aside as the literary style of the times in which they were composed (orally and then textually), but Julian Jaynes has quite a different take: the characters—like the rest of their contemporaries—were not conscious at all.

This claim alone was enough reason to pick this book up. His thesis
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Eric
Jun 22, 2007 rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: The Ancient Greeks
Synopsis: "Consciousness" is a skill wherein people create a mental world analogous to the physical world in order to attempt hypothetical solutions to novel problems. This skill was developed over thousands of years, following the collapse of an earlier system for responding creatively to unique stimuli. This system, dubbed "the Bicameral Mind" involved the right hemisphere of the brain generating solutions and communicating them to the acting left hemisphere using language as the encoding syst ...more
Alireza Sahafzadeh
Nov 20, 2015 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
مدت زمان زیادی برای خواندن این اثر صرف کردم از آذر نود و چهار تا مرداد نود و پنج ، سه جلد که هر کدام نزدیک به دویست صفحه بود اما دویست صفحه ای که صفحه اش دنیایی از از گفتنی ها در خود داشت جلد اول در شرح آگاهی و بررسی زبان و جایگاه آن در مغز انسان با انبوه مثالها ، جلد دوم بررسی مفهوم دوجایگاهی بو.دن ذهن انسان در هزاره منتهی به میلاد مسیح و چگونگی گذر به آگاهی و در جلد سوم بررسی اشکال مختلف حضور خاطره ی دوجایگاهی در ذهن بشر امروزی از شعر و موسیقی تا حالات بیماران اسکیزوفرنی در مجموع بسیار کتاب پر ...more
Leigh Jackson


Impressive, beautiful, amazing, and totally wrong. Rivals Leibniz for elegant incorrectness.
Matt
Dec 03, 2008 rated it really liked it
A mind-fuck of the highest order. A work of polymathemetical genius, probably wrong on many accounts but absolutely original in its approach. Extremely readable, unpretentious prose and probings into one of life's coolest mysteries. You'll never read the Oddessey the same way again, or think about schizophrenia or Ancient Sumeria in the same way. It's speculative power has made many a head spin, I think.
Richard
Jul 05, 2015 rated it really liked it
Shelves: d-mind
Here's an idea: what if consciousness - self-awareness, the 'I' and that private inner 'space' it seems to inhabit - is no emergent phenomenon, result of millions of years of brain evolution, but a purely cultural one derived from language, via metaphor, and which didn't appear sometime back in the Pleistocene, but recently (very recently, around 1200 BC in Julian Jaynes' estimation)?

As ideas go, it's a corker. By that date we were already tilling fields and founding the first cities, the Pyrami
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shahriar johari
Sep 01, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
چرا این کتاب بسیار تعیین کننده و قابل اهمیت است؟ جون نگاهی قدسی زدایی شده و خود انتقاد گری دارد که به موضوعی مهم از زاویه دیدی شجاعانه و بدیع نگاه کرده است. این کتاب را به هر علاقه مندی به ساحت معنا پیشنهاد میکنم. همینقدر کلی چون مدعیات جولین جینز تاثیری همینقدر گسترده بر علم، فیزیولوژی، نورولوژی، الهیات کهن، الهیات نو، روان شناسی و جامعه شناسی دارد. تنها معضل کتاب به گمانم چیدمان نسبتا نا صحیح آن در فصول دوم و سوم است. فرضیات و پیش فرض های نسبتا سنگین او باعث میشود خیلی ها به فصل چهارم نرسند. ب ...more
darya
May 20, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
بخش اول

فوق العاده است. یک ریشه شناسی باستانی عمیق بر این سوال که کی و چگونه و چرا آگاهی شکل گرفت. و انسان پیش از این مرحله چگونه می اندیشید. خدباوری چه نسبتی با آگاهی و ناآگاهی دارد و مسیر تکامل ذهن و مغز انسان چه فراز و نشیب هایی داره
دقت نظر علمی، شفافیت در نحوه ی بیان عقاید نویسنده، یگانه بودن چنین پژوهشی، مثال های روشن نثر روان و فهم پذیر کتاب و همچنین نقد و تحلیل همراه با احاطه ی نویسنده به این مساله از مواردی است که باعث شده این کتاب از خط کشی زیر جملات و حاشیه نویسی و علامت گذاری در امان ن
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Kristina
O, what a world of unseen visions and heard silences, this insubstantial country of the mind! What ineffable essences, these touchless rememberings and unshowable reveries! And the privacy of it all! A secret theater of speechless monologues and prevenient counsel, an invisible mansion of all moods, musings, and mysteries, an infinite resort of disappointment and discoveries. A whole kingdom where each of us reigns exclusively alone, questioning what we will, commanding what we can. A hidden her
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Kate
Jul 23, 2007 rated it it was amazing
I did read this book, or at least part of it, but really I just put it on here to impress people.
George
Feb 13, 2009 rated it it was amazing
This book is actually comprised of three books. Jaynes had intended on writing four separate books, but wound up putting three of them together into one. He was to write the fourth book later, but never got around to it before passing away, which is a shame since I think he's onto something.

Book 1: "The Mind of Man".

Originally published in 1976 and quite controversial, Jaynes posited that human consciousness is a relatively recent trait of humans occurring around 3000 to 3500 years ago. Origin
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Alex Lee
Sep 09, 2014 rated it it was amazing
What's particularly hard to swallow about this book is that Jaynes goes far to argue for undermining not only how we know ourselves but also how we are to account for what we are doing. One of the basic rubrics of science and philosophy is our concept of consciousness, as a container for our individuality and our ability to comprehend/experience. To question consciousness itself in the form that we believe it comes in, in the method by which we determine ourselves is to question the very possibl ...more
Barry King
Oct 20, 2014 rated it it was amazing
I'm giving this one five stars not because I agree with it, but because it is so unique and remarkable. It's important to understand that "consciousness" to Jaynes is nothing like perception, but strictly a type of subjective deliberation that we associate with reasonableness, debate, and so on, the stuff that makes modern life: the ability to enter into agreements, law versus appeal to authority, and so on. His contention is that mankind's idea of thought was a different beast three thousand ye ...more
Keith Swenson
Jan 07, 2013 rated it really liked it
I must fall back on description of the book given by someone else: it is "either complete rubbish or the work of a consummate genius ... nothing in between."

Gave the book 4 stars because it is one of those books that really makes you think about everything.

What Jaynes does do is to look at the periods of history and identify a pattern of psychological differences over time by analyzing the writing left to us by those people. He sees a rather distinct change happen about 1000 BCE in the middle e
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Bethany
Dec 07, 2011 rated it liked it
Shelves: other-nonfiction
A remarkable book, even if it's crazy. It's already been reviewed and critiqued in far more detail then I shall. Instead I'll summarize the book with a passage therefrom:

"I have endeavored in these two chapters to examine the record of a huge time span to reveal the plausibility that man and his early civilizations had a profoundly different mentality than our own, that in fact men and women are not conscious as are we, were not responsible for their actions, and therefore cannot be given the c
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Gary
Oct 17, 2014 rated it did not like it
Shelves: physical
His theory is really way out there. I prefer to think that Homer was just made up and not real as all religious books are. Will Durant's "Life of Greece, Story of Civilization, Vol II" irritated me to no end because the first 8 hours or so assumed Homer was based directly on real history. Now there is some truth in Homer, but I figure one can say there is some truth in the bible, but most of it is not historical. Hollywood movies are just as fake and I won't develop a theory based on reality fro ...more
Cassandra Kay Silva
May 23, 2009 rated it it was amazing
I am giving this a five not because I buy into what Jaynes is saying, actually if anything I finished the book still a 100% skeptical about his ideas, but because his approach, his idea and his presentation was actually extremely good. Whether this proves true or not it was still vastly interesting and at least a new way at looking at the evolution of man. I mean when we look at evolution as it is we have to determine SOME point in time where man gained this thing we call consciousness. Some poi ...more
Jrobertus
Jul 19, 2007 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: reallygoodbooks
I have read this book several times. His hypothesis about the acquisition of modern linguistic consciousness is controversial and probably wrong in detail. However, it is very thought provoking, gorgeously written, and is the clearest statement of the uniqueness of the human mind that I have read. Jaynes is (was) a true scholar. He taught himself Greek so he could investigate the nuanced differences in temperament between the Iliad and the Odyssey as part of his analysis of the evolution of mode ...more
Kayson Fakhar
Feb 04, 2014 rated it it was amazing
"It is one of those books that is either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between!"
Richard Dawkins
Teo 2050
8h @ 2x. This book presents the theory/hypothesis of bicameralism according to which "the human mind once assumed a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be 'speaking', and a second part which listens and obeys—a bicameral mind." This was to me new & interesting & I'll have to read more before deciding what to make of it. At the very least the book was structured so pleasantly that I warmly recommend it as entertaining food for tho ...more
Ryan Alsaihaty
In this 1976 book, the author discusses his theory on the origin of consciousness and its relation to what he calls the bicameral mind. The main ideas of this theory are:

1) Before consciousness, human nature was split in two, an executive part called bicameral god, and a follower part called a bicameral man. Together they constitute the bicameral mind.

The bicameral god is auditory voices/hallucinations that guide and direct the bicameral man. The bicameral man follows these directions strictly
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JJVid
Feb 25, 2013 rated it it was ok
Shelves: evolution, psychology
In short, Jaynes' theory is highly speculative at best, and intentionally misleading at worst. Jaynes believes that three plus millennia ago humans were, overall, non-conscious automatons similar to Descartes' mechanical animals. There was rationality, there was language (and communication), there was a distinction between "others" and "self", but none of this amounted to what we would call "consciousness". Consciousness, in Jaynes' opinion, did not come about until around the second century B.C ...more
Sabin
Jan 28, 2018 rated it really liked it
The premise of this book would make an amazing SF techno-thriller, or a conspiracy-theory-like historical fiction. Or even a great plot device for a grand SF epic. But it attempts to prove that it actually is more than fiction.

Julian Jaynes sets out to determine the historic environment for the moment consciousness came into being and prove that consciousness is a fairly recent phenomenon, first noticed around 2000 BCE. To achieve this he defines consciousness, he hypothesizes a bicameral mind w
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Julian Jaynes was an American psychologist, best known for his book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1976), in which he argued that ancient peoples were not conscious.
Jaynes defines "consciousness" more narrowly than some philosophers. Jaynes' definition of consciousness is synonymous with what philosophers now call "meta-consciousness" or "meta-awareness" i.e. a
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“O, what a world of unseen visions and heard silences, this insubstantial country of the mind! What ineffable essences, these touchless rememberings and unshowable reveries! And the privacy of it all! A secret theater of speechless monologue and prevenient counsel, an invisible mansion of all moods, musings, and mysteries, an infinite resort of disappointments and discoveries. A whole kingdom where each of us reigns reclusively alone, questioning what we will, commanding what we can. A hidden hermitage where we may study out the troubled book of what we have done and yet may do. An introcosm that is more myself than anything I can find in a mirror. This consciousness that is myself of selves, that is everything, and yet is nothing at all - what is it?
And where did it come from?
And why?”
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“Our sense of justice depends on our sense of time. Justice is a phenomenon only of consciousness, because time spread out in a spatial succession is its very essence. And this is possible only in a spatial metaphor of time.” 17 likes
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