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Better When He's Bold

(Welcome to the Point #2)

4.01  ·  Rating details ·  7,779 ratings  ·  716 reviews
From New York Times and USA Today bestselling author Jay Crownover, comes the second book in a combustible new series, Welcome to the Point, that is sexier, darker, and better than ever.

There’s a difference between a bad boy and a boy who is bad. . . . Welcome to the Point.

In a dark and broken kingdom, a ruler has be fearless to control the streets and the ruthless people
Paperback, 400 pages
Published February 3rd 2015 by William Morrow & Company
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TereseDK Had I not read all her previous books knowing she writes awesome stories, I would not have added this one to my TBR pile, simply judging by the cover.…moreHad I not read all her previous books knowing she writes awesome stories, I would not have added this one to my TBR pile, simply judging by the cover.
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Jennifer Kyle
Jun 18, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
3.75 BOLD Stars

My Cover... (can't stand that vest)

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Brysen Carter is overwhelmed by her life. She is working, attending college and holding her crumbing family together. When a stalker posses a threat she finds protection and comfort in the arms of Race Hartman, her best friend Dovie’s heavily connected brother.

”There was something about how effortless he was in both the skins he wore – the one of a stunningly handsome young blue blood, and the one he more typically wore as the r
Feb 27, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
4 Bold stars!

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Better When He’s Bold is the second book in Crownover’s Welcome to the Point series. I love this series because the heroes are a little edgy and rough, but they have that sweet side for their girl. I’m a sucker for that type of man.

Race Hartman grew up rich and privileged, but years ago when he took his sister Dovie under his wing, his world changed. Now, it’s more different than ever. Not only is he living in the point- he’s running it. Race is in charge. He’s calling the shot
Jun 23, 2014 rated it really liked it

** 3,5-4 “the Bonnie to my Clyde” STARS **

“A tarnished throne for a tarnished king in a tarnished kingdom. Can you handle being a tarnished queen?”

First of all, I REFUSE to accept the ugliest, most hideous covers of all time for this book! I JUST DO NOT! It deserves so much better! I mean that guy is not my type at all, and that's my problem, but c'mon man...WHAT THE FUDGE IS HE WEARING?!

Two years ago, Brysen Carter's life was in multicolor. Always having fun, always cheerful and
Oct 29, 2014 rated it really liked it
4 Bold Stars!

Brysen is having a tough time. Her family is falling apart (more than usual), she has to care of her younger sister, she has to work, she as to attend college and pass classes. On top of that, she now has a stalker. But is not this “I like you, I want to follow everywhere” stalker. Is a “mess up with your life and screw everything you have” type of stalker.
So she seeks help with Race, the well-connected bad boy from the wrong side of town, the point, and her best-friends brother.
Rachel Reads Ravenously
4 stars

"I need you to keep me from turning into something I hate, but I can't ask you to give yourself to the streets, to this life, if it's not what you want."

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Better When He's Bold is the second book in the Welcome to the Point series. While it is technically a standalone, there is a lot of crossover from the first book so I highly recommend reading that one first.

Brysen is your typical college girl. She goes to school, works, and studies hard. Except for the fact that her home life i
✰ Liz ✰
"Welcome to the Point...where this time, fortune favors the bold!"


Better when He's Bold is the second book in Welcome to the Point Series. I have been following Jay Crownover's work for several years. My addiction began when I fell in love with her Marked Men Series. When she released the edgy Bax and fun loving spunky Dovie in the first book in the series, Better When He's Bad, I experienced an edgier side of her writing and I LOVED IT! With the gritty and complex characters of the Point, Ms C
Sep 04, 2014 rated it it was amazing
After reading Better When He’s Bad I couldn’t wait to jump into this one. I love forbidden love and love from the other side of the tracks, but this story is so much more than that!

Race Hartman is a bad boy in every since of the word. While he grew up with wealthy and privilege on The Hill, he traded it all to help Bax. Now he is the king of the bad, leader of the crime ring at The Point. He only truly cares sister his sister, Dovie and his childhood friend Bax. Despite this there is just somet
Pavlina Read more sleep less blog
This is my first book in the series and it was good! I was looking in the new releases and I found it, I was intrigued because I haven't read a book from this author.Now I think I must read the first book because I liked Bax and Dovie and I want to learn how this two ends up together !
The best parts in this book is Race!Race was so sweet while still trying to be the bad boy!!He was there for Brysen ready to protect her!
My complaints for this book is that the story wasn't something speci
This is a great series so far! Book #2 is another journey into The Point, which is basically the extremely bad part of town vs The Hills, which is the ritzy area of town! The heroes in this series are could be considered anti-heroes.... they do not follow the law, and they are not nice guys... Even though they have had to be tough in this hard living place, there is a very small part of them that is reserved for the ones they love. When they find a woman whom they want as their own; they become ...more
Sleepless Readmore
Jan 01, 2015 rated it really liked it
Shelves: read-in-2015
4 He's BOLD alright STARS

Race and Brysen


It’s like being in love with
a loaded weapon and you’re the safety.."


NOT FEELING THAT AT ALL. If this was starring in that cover I'm sure it would have been more enticing and a great image while reading!
Aside from that cover .. the story was enjoyable! I love me a bad boy and Race .. I didn't think anyone could match up to Bax but then Race came along. I adored Race and Brysen together .. PERF
Jul 11, 2014 rated it liked it
Shelves: 2015
3 stars!
Not bad, but not spectacular also.
no boy who was as bad as he was should be that beautiful

I loved Race in Better When He's Bad but I absolutely loved, loved all the holy epic heart of Gold of Race in Better When He's Bold !!!!

Swoon overload ..... And of the bad boy variety ! that's the best kind ! •Being in love with guys like's like being in love with a loaded weapon and you're the safety •

The Bad boys of the Point :

•These guys will take everything you have, but in return, they will give you everything they've got to
Mar 05, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Better When He’s Bold is the second installment in the Welcome to the Point series, a series with lots of moral gray areas. These are truly “bad boys” (with big hearts) who are trying to keep the underbelly of society as “good” as can be by controlling their vices. Like Bax in Better When He’s Bad, Race is a sexy anti-hero. Brysen was helpless to resist his pull, especially when he turns out to be her white dark knight in shining armor.

Brysen has been attracted to her best friend’s brother, Rac
Jun 16, 2014 rated it really liked it
Shelves: arc-s-2015, edelweiss

My first ever Jay read was Better When He's Bad. I loved Bax and Dovie so much. Now I'm hooked and I went into Race's story excited and nervously awaiting Jay's reveal.

Privileged Race Hartman walked away from all his wealth on the Hill the day he found out his father put a hit on his half sister. Realizing what the rich would do to hide their mistakes and not risk losing everything, Race turned to The Point. Learning and running the illegal trades, he soon becomes the new King Pin of The Point.

I am legitimately upset with how much I didn't love this book. I LOVED Shane and Dovie and I guess just had really high expectations for Race but I felt at times he sort of just fell flat. I was more intrigued by the side story (if you could even really call it that) of the crush Karsen has on Booker than Race and Brysen. Sad, but true.

I will read the next book, love Titus!, and am excited to see how Jay kind of redeems Reeve.
Jessica Morales-Lafaille
Apr 01, 2017 rated it really liked it
Shelves: romance, suspense, bad-boy
I'm hoping I can understand this series without reading the first book. I find it ridiculous when a library system has part 2&3 but not the first book. So, thankful I was able to understand and love it.

Hoping there will be more on this series about Karsen.

In this book we meet Brysen poor girl her parents checked out. She is left raising her 16yr old sister. While she is growing up herself and trying to succeed. She has always had a crush on Race but knew she had no time for men. Couldn't help n
Jess-i-ca ~Sometimes a Gif Witch~
3.5 Meh Stars
Nov 17, 2014 rated it it was amazing
4.5 "Be My Queen" Stars! Loved it! Jay Crownover is a master at building multidimensional characters in a multifaceted world! Like in the real world, the characters in the fictional community of The Point (the stereotypical hood) and The Hill (the upper class suburbs), are neither all good nor bad, but instead lie somewhere in between, constantly straddling societal conventions to define who they truly are. This love story was real, raw and "bold," and had me on the edge of my seat, with my hear ...more
Donna {Book Passion For Life}
Better When He’s Bold is the sequel to Jay Crownover’s Better When He’s Bad and what a smouldering, sexy and BOLD read it is!

Race Hartman betrayed his best friend in order to save his sister Dovie and that’s something he has to live with for the rest of his life. Now he’s trying to create some order in The Point and has taken on a business partner to help him. Race knows he can’t change The Point but he will do his best to make the damage minimal, especially now he’s in charge.

Brysen Carter mi
Jun 11, 2014 rated it it was amazing
Awesome!!! All that sexiness, suspense and edge makes this such an enthralling page turner! And we get to see Bax and Dovie again too! Review to come.
Jun 07, 2015 rated it really liked it
4 Race bold stars

Ah, I was afraid that the history would repeat itself again, cause so far , it happened every time i've started some series, if I got overwhelmed with book 1 and its characters, usually the book 2 didn't live up to my expectations...cause of the high level of expectancy that the first book set as a starting point...

And after that I'm always screwed and a bit dissapointed.

Well, in this case I'm FAR from dissapointment but after meeting Shane Baxter aka Bax in book 1, well, I did
Mel Shank
Jan 22, 2014 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: 2015-books
BETTER WHEN HE’s BOLD by Jay Crownover

Better When He’s Bold is the 2nd book in the Welcome to the Point series and I thought I loved a Bad Boy when I first met Bax in Better When’s He’s Bad but what I did not know was that Race would have Bax move over to share the thrown of badness. I was super excited to get my hands on Race’s story. Race has the good-looks of a God and just is always teetering on that very thin, thin line between right and wrong. Race earns his King status of the Point by bei
3.75 stars

I have to admit that I didn't know what to expect from this story. I was anxiously awaiting this one but I wasn't in love with the first one so I was debating whether or not I really wanted to read it.

But it was so much better than I was expecting.

Brysen Carter is friends with Dovie, Race Hartman's half-sister. Her family is falling apart and she is struggling to keep everything going until her sister is old enough to go to college. She works in as a waitress and tries to keep up her c
Elfina Renee
Aug 11, 2014 rated it really liked it
Shelves: favorites
Better When He's Bold is an exciting, explosive series. I'm intrigued with the thickness of the storyline and plot. There is so much insight and depth to the characters that I just love them and would recommend the series to anyone whose turned on by badass domineering alpha's. I'm super stoked for Better When He's Brave (Titus King's story) to come out. So you're probably wondering why four stars instead of five, well for two reasons.

1. Race Hartman: He's not just another run of the mills bad g
Every time I read one of Jay Crownover's book I become a bigger fan!! Loved the book, loved the story, loved Race, and loved Brysen. I do have a confession to make.... I think I may be a book cover snob. I waited a long time to start reading books from JC because I do not like the book covers on any of her series. I thought they would be cheesy. I hope I have learned my lesson and can stop judging books by their covers. ...more
Mar 04, 2014 rated it really liked it
The Marked Men series may be where she started, where many fans fell in love with her, but Welcome to The Point is just... So. Much. More.  It has her same signature style, quirky names, lovably flawed characters.  What The Point brings is an element of dirty, raw, exciting vulnerability.

And Race Hartman is the current ruler of it all.  For now.

Race is very much like the city he wants to keep in a tenuous balance.  He's brave, he's strong, but he's not all together good.  He'll do
Jaime Fiction Fangirls
I absolutely loved Better When He's Bad and I couldn't wait to dive into Race's book.
I wasn't sure I was going to end up liking Race in the same way that I loved Bax and, as it turns out, I didn't. I didn't hate him but I just didn't fall for his version of a bad boy.
That being said, I still really enjoyed the story and especially the writing. Jay did a great job of proving that good and bad aren't always black and white. That good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things. Sh
Jun 28, 2014 rated it really liked it
Well, it was good. I liked Brysen and Race as characters, and their relationship developed well. It was nice to read about. But the rest of the book was a bit... Meh. The only reason I can really see behind the need for Brysen to repeatedly get beat up is because the author felt the need to show that she could get roughed up and still be as strong as Race, and that she could still get scars and be as beautiful as Race. Even the Race throughout most of the book felt the need to prove he was good ...more
Shanny B
Apr 23, 2014 rated it it was amazing
You must read Better When He's Bad first! Yeah, yeah, this technically IS a standalone, but you will enjoy it sooooooo much more if you 'get' the Point. Yes, pun intended.

You meet Race and Brysen in Better When He's Bad. In Bold, you get to know both of them a lot better. On the surface, they seem to have much of nothing in common. Race is a up and coming criminal mastermind trying to solidfy his hold on the Point, and Brysen is a picture perfect college student living on the right side of town.
3,5 stars

This one was a little hard to rate. First of all, I love Jay Crownover. I love the characters she creates both male and female, the angst and the romance she weaves.
But I didn't like Brysen. She got on my nerves. A lot. She was either a pampered princess whining through the first half of the book, then helpless victim for a chapter or two, to turn into Gemma freaking Teller in the last part of the book. (For those of you who haven't watched Sons of Anarchy, she was the queen of the ille
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Jay Crownover is the International and multiple New York Times and USA Today bestselling author of the Marked Men Series, The Saints of Denver Series, The Point and Breaking Point Series, and the Loveless, Texas series. Her books can be found translated in many different languages all around the world. She is a tattooed, crazy haired Colorado native who lives at the base of the Rockies with her aw ...more

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