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The Kingkiller Chronicle #3

The Doors of Stone

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The eagerly awaited third book of The Kingkiller Chronicle.

896 pages, Hardcover

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Patrick Rothfuss

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It all began when Pat Rothfuss was born to a marvelous set of parents. Throughout his formative years they encouraged him to do his best, gave him good advice, and were no doubt appropriately dismayed when he failed to live up to his full potential.

In high-school Pat was something of a class clown. His hobbies included reading a novel or two a day and giving relationship advice to all his friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl. He also role-played and wrote terrible stories about elves. He was pretty much a geek.

Most of Pat's adult life has been spent in the University Wisconsin Stevens Point. In 1991 he started college in order to pursue a career in chemical engineering, then he considered clinical psychology. In 1993 he quit pretending he knew what he wanted to do with his life, changed his major to "undecided," and proceeded to study whatever amused him. He also began writing a book....

For the next seven years Pat studied anthropology, philosophy, eastern religions, history, alchemy, parapsychology, literature, and writing. He studied six different martial arts, practiced improv comedy, learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women. He also began writing a satirical advice column which he continues to this day: The College Survivial Guide. Through all of this he continued to work on his novel.

In 2000 Pat went to grad school for English literature. Grad school sucked and Pat hated it. However, Pat learned that he loved to teach. He left in 2002 with his masters degree, shaking the dust from his feet and vowing never to return. During this period of time his novel was rejected by roughly every agent in the known universe.

Now Pat teaches half-time at his old school as an assistant-sub-lecturer. He is underpaid but generally left alone to do as he sees fit with his classes. He is advisor for the college feminists, the fencing club, and, oddly enough, a sorority. He still roll-plays occasionally, but now he does it in an extremely sophisticated, debonair way.

Through a series of lucky breaks, he has wound up with the best agent and editor imaginable, and the first book of his trilogy has been published under the title "The Name of the Wind."

Though it has only been out since April 2007, it has already been sold in 26 foreign countries and won several awards.

Pat has been described as "a rough, earthy iconoclast with a pipeline to the divine in everyone's subconscious." But honestly, that person was pretty drunk at the time, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt.

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October 12, 2017
The wait is going to kill me.

So, rather than wait patiently, I am going to gather various speculations and list facts to keep in mind.

Please take note: This review contains spoilers for books 1 and 2

The Doors:
So, as the third book in the Kingkiller Chronicle is named 'The Doors of Stone,' it is quite obviously required of us to consider the 'Doors' of which they are speaking. And so, as perfectionism dictates, I will list every single door that I've noticed.

In Skarpi's story of Lanre, Lanre battles a beast that, while he is able to kill said beast, kills Lanre as well. However, one line is read pertaining to the beast's death that is not, in fact, read pertaining to Lanre's.
"After the battle was finished, and the enemy was set beyond the doors of stone..."
Lyra, of course, calls Lanre back. This leads me to wonder if the doors of stone have something to do with death, the ‘doors to the afterlife’

Kvothe mentions doors in his mind; four of them, to be exact: sleep, forgetting, madness, and death (Another indication that, maybe, death is the 'Doors of Stone' to which the title is referring.) This also brings me to a certain suspicion about the sleeping mind, but I will return to that later.

The main building of the University, Mains, is quite literally described as a 'featureless stone block.' This 'featureless stone block,' inevitably, has stone doors. Inscribed above these doors are the words 'Vorfelen Rhinata Morie.'

In the Archives, there are small rooms of stone for people to meet and talk (or have sex, if what Fela claims is true).

Of more importance are the doors of stone that Kvothe sees just before he is banned from the Archives
"It was quite by accident that I found the four-plate door."
The door is described as 'one seamless slab of grey stone.' Four copper plates are on the outside, flush with the stone of the door, which is flush with the frame, which, in turn, is flush with the wall. It is also described as 'not a door for opening, but a door for staying closed.' The word 'Valeritas,' is inscribed upon them.

There's a ventilation-shaft-like entrance to the Archives from the Underthing, but I'm not sure whether or not that matters.

Elodin's cell in Haven is made of stone.

And, last but not least, the Mauthen farm is made with stone reinforcements. Stone that is, in fact, dug up from barrows (burial mounds) in the ground, and used to build the house. This house was most likely destroyed by the Chandrian. However, that has to do with a certain vase that, again, I will return to later.

Felurian mentions Doors of Stone in one of her stories.

There are many more doors mentioned below in the comments; I don't have room to add them, or edit completely.

The King
So, we all know that Kvothe is called 'Kvothe Kingkiller' for a reason. In fact, he says that he earned the name, 'bought and paid for it.'
So. Nobility that is either a king, or will be a king, in the future:

At the top of our list is Ambrose, the first born heir to a Vintish barony. His father is one of the twelve most powerful men in Vintas. He is sixteenth in the Peerage.
Lanre, also known as Lord Haliax, is a little more than nobility... and I can't see him gaining power enough to be recognized as a King by others, but he must be mentioned.
Sovoy is of Modegan Nobility.
Kvothe's mother and likely aunt Meluan Lackless are of Vintish nobility.
Maer Alveron is said to be higher in the peerage than Ambrose.
Last, and the most painful to admit, is Simmon. Simmon is said to be of Aturan nobility; according to Sovoy, he is not high nobility, but he is nobility nonetheless.
I feel like Kote talks about Simmon's innocence so constantly as if to prove a point of surprising his audience in the end. If it is Simmon he ends up killing, I wouldn't be terribly surprised. Among other references to Simmon's 'goodness' is this passage:
'"I love you Sim."
He looked me over. "You're drunk."
"No, it's the truth! You're a good person, better than I'll ever be."
He gave me a look that said he couldn't tell if he was being made fun of or not.'

The Amyr
The Amyr are a Holy Order of the Aturan Empire created to avenge the fall of Myr Tariniel, according to Skarpi. They are a group of people under Selitos, if the stories are to be believed, that hunt the Chandrain. The most trusted and powerful of them are known as the Ciridae, and their mark is a burning tower. If Master Archivist Lorren is to be believed, they are equal part knight-errant and vigilante. They had judiciary powers and could judge in both religious and secular courts. All of them are exempt from the law, in varying degrees. They were also disbanded 300 years ago.
The Ruach, named by Aleph as the Amyr in Skarpi's story:
Kirel- Tall, burned but left living in the ashes of Myr Tariniel.
Deah- a woman having lost two husbands to the fighting in Myr Tariniel. Face, mouth, and heart are cold as stone.
Enlas- Would not carry a sword or eat the felsh of animals, would not speak hard words.
Geisa- Fair, with a hundred suitors in Belen before the walls fell. The first woman to know the unasked for touch of man.
Lecelte- Laughed easily and often, even when there was woe thick about him.
Imet- Hardly more than a boy, who never sang and killed swiftly without tears.
Ordal- The youngest of them all, who had never seen a thing die, a girl with golden hair.
Anden- A face with burning eyes, his name means 'anger.'

It is said that Atreyon is one of the Amyr. He is, in fact, the one who is subject in the Maer's favorite story, a bloody story.
Sir Savien is also mentioned as one of the Amyr.
Kvothe also suspects that the Duke of Gibea is one of the Amyr, or that he worked for them at least. He's a medicinal worker of great skill under the authority of Maer Alveron.

"None but the most powerful can see them, and only then with great difficulty and at great peril."
Kvothe, when he is near death in an alleyway in Tarbean, says that he saw a bird of fire and shadow. He thought it was the bird of death, come to greet him, and he is about to slip away when, ironically, a man dressed as Encanis gives him a silver talent and warms him.
"The last time [Aleph] touched them there was pain, and wings tore from their backs that they might go where they wished. Wings of fire and shadow. Wings of iron and glass. Wings of stone and blood."
Kvothe is indeed powerful, and is not death the greatest peril of them all? Could they have, in fact, saved him? But why? To spit in the faces of the Chandrain who killed his family...?

Who knows. Why not.

The University
I happened to list a few things, in case I wanted to refer back to them later on:
Master Linguist, Chancellor.
Master Rhetorician Herma Hemm
Master Archivist Lorren (Amyr?)
Master Arithmetician Brandeur
Master Physiker Arwyl
Master Chemist Mandrag
Master Artificer Kilvin
Master Sympathist Elxa Dal
Master Namer Elodin

The three most important Rules of the Chemist:
-Label Clearly
-Measure Twice
-Eat Elsewhere.

Mains is the oldest building at the University, and, apparently, nearly as complicated as Hogwarts Castle.

It came to my attention that Master Lorren wanted Kvothe to ignore the Chandrain and Amyr. It makes me wonder. I decided that it was worthy of note.

The Three Cs of Sympathy:
Correspondence: Similarity enhances Sympathy.
Consanguinity: Once together, always together.
Conservation: Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
(Sympathy is based off of the laws of Thermodynamics, the Quantum Entanglement theory, and voodoo dolls.)

Alder Whinn, we hear, went crazy at the University. He now has accommodations at Haven, where it seems Elodin has a special fondness for him. He demands that Whinn should be allowed to come and go as he pleases, and that nothing should be added to his drink or food without his permission. This, I find curious.

And, the first Name we hear Elodin speak.
"Cyaerbasalien," and the stone broke. Or, in this case I suppose, the stone wall moved. Either way, he recited the story of Taborlin while he did it, replacing Taborlin's name with his own. I will return to this later.

"I can tell you stories no one has ever heard before. Stories no one will ever hear again. Stories about Felurian, how I learned to fight from the Adem. The truth about Princess Ariel."
Could she be the Princess that Kvothe claims he 'rescued from the barrow kings'? Could she be Princess Ariel?
After all, she does 'pour beer as if she were among kings.’

It is mentioned while Simmon, Wilem, and Kvothe are talking of Ambrose's revenge methods that a girl named Tabitha 'made noise about how Ambrose had promised to marry her,' and she disappeared. We know of a young woman, around Ambrose's age, that lives alone on a rooftop. Kvothe assumes that she must have gone insane from a too weak mind at the University. However, Ambrose seems to have friends in very high places.
Could Auri be Tabitha? It's a weak idea, sure, but it's still there.

Auri gives Kvothe a key and a ring. Could the key be the key to the 'Doors of Stone?'
If you read the Slow Regard of Silent Things, she’s certainly important enough to the story.

The ring is wooden, which is interesting. At the Court in Vintas in the Wise Man's Fear, wooden rings are exchanged as tokens of hatred. We know that Ambrose's family is from Vintas. How do you suppose Auri came about a ring like that, if the ring is in fact what I assume it to be? And if my earlier theory about Auri being Tabitha proves true, perhaps the ring came from Ambrose. She claims that the ring keeps secrets.

It should also be noted that Auri gives Kvothe 'Key, Coin, and Candle.' Taborlin Stories mention Key, Coin, and Candle as his three tools.

Auri's name is in Kvothe's mother's Trouper name: Laurien. Not that that should have any significance.

"Little Moon Fae."

The Cthaeh
He spoke to the Cthaeh... He killed a king... Could the Cthaeh have driven him to do all of the things that he's done? Could the entire story merely have been created through the will of the Cthaeh? Bast seems to think so.

So, we all know who she is. Well, maybe not her name exactly, but we all know that whatever he real name is, it stars with a D. Diane. Dyanae. Denna.
It occurs to me that the Lay of Sir Savien Triliard may very well describe Kvothe and Denna's relationship.
Love lost, than found, than lost again.
He lost her when he left the caravan. He found her at the Eolian as he is singing this song, but where do you suppose he loses her for the last time? He does, obviously, for she is not present at the Waystone, and he crushes a bottle of her favorite wine when driven to despair.

As a side note, when she and Kvothe talk about the Chandrian, there’s a pale woman mentioned. Could be a coincidence.

Of course, the song also describes something of Lanre's story. He dies and loses Lyra, Lyra resurrects him and they find each other, then Lyra dies and the love is lost again. Odd, considering that Savien is one of the Amyr...
There is a lot of mystery surrounding Denna's patron. I read theories everywhere.
"I think he's one of the Amyr!"
"I think he's one of the Chandrain!"
"I think it's a plot twist and he's actually a dragon!"
"I think he's possessed by a skin-dancer!"

Sovoy says, when Kvothe meets Denna again ‘for the first time,’ that if he promised her anything to repay her that she would order him off to find her a 'leaf from the Singing Tree' on the other side of the world.
I admit it's ridiculous, but when I heard Singing Tree, I immediately thought of the Cthaeh.

Kvothe also mentions Felurian around the same time the 'Singing Tree' is mentioned.
"I might keep referring to you as Felurian, but that would lead to confusion."

Felurian and the Cthaeh are connected, if you remember.

Denna has not so far called him "Dulator." And, if I'm remembering correctly, neither did Felurian in WMF. Correct me with a direct quote and page number if I'm wrong, please.

'My first mentor called me E'lir because I was clever and I knew it. My first real lover called me Dulator because she liked the sound of it. I have been called Shadicar, Lightfinger, and Six-String. I have been called Kvothe the Bloodless, Kvothe the Arcane, and Kvothe Kingkiller.'

Could there be another woman we have yet to meet?

Kote and the Waystone Inn
Bast explains that you don't merely begin to believe that you are the mask you wear, but you also, eventually, become the mask you wear. He wants 'Reshi' to open up to Chronicler in order to remember when he was a hero. He's already broken down once, I can only imagine what'll happen to him next.

It is mentioned that 'Kote' means 'disaster.'
Expect disaster every seven years.

This is a small section, but it has my most recent (and exciting) theory in it.
Starting with the less important notes:
Kvothe's eyes:
They turn frosty green when he's terrified.
Muddy when he's in a horrible state of stress.
Dark when he's angry, protective, or in any way filled with adrenaline (Or, as Kvothe jokes, 'It could be just old fashioned lust,' which, I suppose, makes sense if I'm right about the adrenaline.)
Normally, they are a bright green with a gold ring around the pupil.
He claims he gets them from his mother... but his mother was dark-eyed.
And both of his parents have dark hair, whilst his is a fiery red.

Well, I say he's a changeling. As do many others.

A changeling, in case you are unaware, is a fae infant that is switched with a human infant, in order for the Fae infant to grow off of the human's nourishment. Sort of like a cuckoo bird.
It explains how he picks things up so quickly, it explains why Bastas is his student. It explains why he looks so different from his parents.
The changeling is mentioned a fair bit in Faerie lore, thought not yet in Rothfuss’s faerie lore.

The Chandrain
This is primarily about the pictures on the vase found by little Nina at the Mauthen Farm. The girl describes seeing a woman holding a broken sword; a man next to a dead tree; a man with a dog biting his leg; a man with white hair and black eyes (Cinder, most likely); a man without a face, but rather a hood with nothing inside, a mirror at his feet and moons in different cycles over his head (Haliax?); and a woman with some of her clothes off. These are six of the seven.

Their signs of which I'm aware:
Blue fire
Rotting wood
Rusting metal

The Sleeping Mind
Kvothe says that the locked memories of his family are behind the doors of his mind. When Ambrose breaks his lute, he is reminded of the breaking sound of his father's lute in Tarbean, which probably reminds him of his father, the song, the scene of his dead Troupe.
I believe that Kvothe's sleeping mind contains these things, and that when Ambrose broke his lute, he released those memories, and along with them, the rest of his knowledge. Maybe remembering is the price he has to pay to awaken his sleeping mind.

Meluan Lackless
Lady Lackless.
Kvothe sings a short tune about her in the beginning of the first book, when he was but a child. His mother scolds him for insulting Lady Lackless. His mother claimed that she is a real person, who has real feelings.
He meets her later, and she seems familiar to him, but he can't quite find out why.
Lady Lackless had a sister that was stolen away from her by the Ruh.
Kvothe's mother was mentioned to once have been nobility.
Kvothe might still have family.
An aunt that shuns him for being Edema Ruh. An aunt he barely even recognizes. An aunt that, if she recognizes him, refuses to mention it. But still, she is an aunt.
As Kvothe is so fond of saying, a half of a loaf is better than none, right?

The Thrice Locked Box
A box to hold the name of the moon, kept by Jax in the old Faerie story.
A box belonging to Meluan Lackless that does not have a seam.
A chest in Kote's inn, seamless according to Bast, thrice locked. Kvothe looks upon the chest with longing.
Elodin panics at the mention of someone changing their name, referring to their true name.
Kote. Kvothe.
Just remove that 'v' and 'h'
Could that chest contain 'Kvothe?' Is that what Kote wants, but can't stand to think about?
What does that box contain that is so important to him? His name, his shaed, what?

Kvothe and Elodin
Kote is to Kvothe, as Elodin is to Taborlin.
A possible direct parallel.
Kote is undercover at an inn. Elodin at a school *where he is Master Namer.*
He's been to the Faen Realm, as he so obviously reveals when he identifies Kvothe's Shaed. He also, apparently, knows a smattering of Ademic.
Could he have blown past the years of Taborlin in Fae, and returned as Elodin? And, if not... do we know if Taborlin had children? That is, if he isn't merely a story...
But don't all stories have some truth to them?
Kvothe tries to open up to the young Blacksmith boy at the Inn.
Elodin tries to open up to Kvothe at the Asylum... in a way. Of course, he did order him to jump off a roof.
And he tells the story of Taborlin, yet he uses his own name in Taborlin's place, shattering stone and breaking out of the prison.
He seems young, yet seems to possess knowledge of someone much older.
Maybe I'm thinking about this backwards. Time goes by faster for a man in Fae than in real life, right? So... if that were so, wouldn't he be older than he actually is...?
Of course it has flaws... but it makes equal bits of sense and nonsense and, ultimately, it's extremely frustrating.

Other notable things
There are ten words to break a strong man's will... could these ten word have been spoken to Kvothe, breaking his power?

Wisdom precludes boldness.

"The scrael, the war, all my fault."

Bast demands of Chronicler not to ask Kote why he can’t do sympathy.

The Number Seven
Seven Chandrain.
Expect disaster every seven years.
Seven men didn't cross to Tehlu's side in Trapis' story.

"Is six a good number?”
"Well, for a lucky number I'd have to go down to three, or up to seven."-Kvothe.
It took Kvothe seven days, start to finish, to memorize all of the runes for Sygladry.
Lackless keeps seven things beneath her black dress.

That's it, for now.
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
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October 20, 2017
Chronicler awoke refreshed the following morning, and he walked down to the bar at the Waystone Inn awaiting Kvothe’s arrival to finish the story he had told the past two days. But as the day wore on, and the hours turned from morning until noon until night, Kvothe never came.

When Bast showed up as the sun was setting, Chronicler asked where his master was. 

“He needs his sleep,” Bast said. “How can you begrudge him that?” 

“Of course,” Chronicler said. “Do you have any idea when he’s going to wake up?”

“He’s not your bitch,” Bast replied.

As he retired to his room that night, Chronicler poked his head in to Kvothe’s room to make sure he was still breathing. Kvothe was awake, playing solitaire.

“Chronicler!” Kvothe said, smiling. “Check out these cool cards! Aren’t they awesome?”

“Well, yes, I suppose so,” he said. “I was surprised, though, when you didn’t come down to finish the story.”

“I will finish soon,” Kvothe said. “And like Aslan, I call all times ‘soon.’ ”

Chronicler didn’t know who Aslan was, but he didn't want to pry. Kvothe, after all, was not his bitch. Not even a little bit.

The next morning, Chronicler was up before sunrise, and as he walked down to the common room of the Waystone, he saw Kvothe waiting on a handful of customers who had come for breakfast.

“Hey, look, it’s Chronicler!” Kvothe cried. “Everyone say hello to Chronicler!”

Three people waved. One unsuccessfully tried to stifle a fart so foul it would have killed a king. 

Chronicler waved back, turned to Kvothe, and said “Do you want to get started?”

“Way ahead of you,” Kvothe said. He handed him a clutch of papers the included eight pages of crude drawings of a girl making soap.

Chronicler looked at the drawings and tilted his head. “I don’t understand.”

“It’s soap!” Kvothe said. “Everyone needs soap!” 

“Yes, but it’s not a story,” Chronicler said. “And it’s certainly not your story.”


“So people expect certain things from a story. If people read this story looking for those things, they wouldn’t get them, so they’ll be dissatisfied.”

“Fuck those people,” Kvothe said. The crowd murmured their assent to this sentiment, and one started speaking in a strange language, which led Bast to think perhaps he was a skin dancer, but it turned out he was just Pentecostal. 

Chronicler turned to look at Bast, who gave him a thumbs up and threw a knife at him. Chronicler ducked, and the blade lodged itself in the ear of the farting guy. 

When it was clear that he wasn’t going to get any more info out Chronicler went back to his room, where Bast joined him in short order. 

"Can you help explain what’s going on?” Chronicler asked.

Bast sneered an evil sneer. “He doesn’t owe you anything,” he said. 

“Well, no, he doesn’t, but it would still be nice to get the end of the story.”

“What part of ‘he’s not your bitch’ do you not understand?” Bast asked, sneering an even eviler sneer than the one he had just sneered, which was, in and of itself, already pretty evil.

“Well, most of it,” Chronicler said. “All of it, really. I never said he was my bitch. He just said he was going to finish his story, and now that he won't finish his story, and - ”

At that moment, Kvothe burst into the room. “Guys, good news! I have a big announcement to make!”

Chronicler smiled. “You’re going to finish the story?”

Kvothe smirked. “What? No!” He then held out two small bags of stones. “Look! I made tinker’s packs! Who wants one?”

Chronicler reached out his hand to take one, but Kvothe pulled the sacks back. “Buy two, get one free,” he scowled. “I’m not your bitch!” He then smiled and skipped out of the room, throwing playing cards over his shoulders as he frolicked down the stairs.

“What do you mean you ‘don’t get it?’” Bast said extra-sneeringly. “Did you see how happy he is? Don’t you want him to be happy?”

“Well, yes, I…”


“I saw him frolic, certainly, but…”

“Repeat after me - NOT. YOUR. BITCH.”

“If it’s all the same, I’d rather not.”

Bast’s eyes bulged out like Large Marge in Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure, and then there was a puff of sulfury smoke, and he was gone, but not at all like Nightcrawler from the X-Men, who Bast sort of resembles if you think about it.

So the next morning, Chronicler woke up and found that Kvothe had gone on tour to sell his cards and tinker’s packs. Chronicler sighed, and then he began to weep as he realized that Kvothe wasn’t his bitch - he, Chronicler, was actually KVOTHE’S bitch.

At that point, Chronicler took up residence in the Waystone Inn, waiting for Kvothe to return. Days turned into weeks, and then months to years. Occasionally, he received letters where Kvothe complained about politics and others where he tried to sell him stuff, and one with a story about a cat, but there was no word at all as to when or if Kvothe would actually finish the story. Chronicler would write back, and he would ask, politely, whether or not Kvothe had any intention of finishing the tale he had started so long ago.

Kvothe finally came home six and a half years later, and Chronicler was overjoyed to see him. “How was your journey?”

“It was fine, except for your letters,” Kvothe snarked snarkily.

“What?” Chronicler said. “What do you mean?”

“When you ask about day three - “ he made a whiny noise. “ ‘Wheeeen’s day threee?' That’s what y'all sound like to me when you... “ He made another whiny noise. "You know like the sound of of like a nail being dragged across my teeth combined with the smell of someone who just... shit on themselves. That's the sound it makes in my head when you are like ‘When’s day three, you said we would be done years ago.’ “

Just then, an asteroid hit Temerant and everyone was wiped out in an extinction level event. Also, Denna was a dude the whole time. The end.
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December 5, 2013
While it's nice to see folks out there giving this book five stars, and in some cases even reviewing it, I'll admit that I'm kinda puzzled.

After thinking it over for a while, I've realized there's only one explanation for this:

Time travelers love my books.

This is strangely reassuring, as it lets me know that, eventually, I do finish my revisions, and the book turns out good enough so that I still have a following out there in the big ball of wibbly-wobbly.... timey-wimey.... stuff that I like to think of as the future.

I would also like to say, future readers, that I appreciate your taking time to read and review my books. It's really flattering knowing that even with time-travel technology at your disposal, you'd rather read my stuff and mention it here on goodreads, rather than, say, hunt dinosaurs, get drunk with da Vinci, or pants Hitler.

Secondly, I'd like to say if you're The Doctor, and you're reading this, I would make an excellent traveling companion. I know you normally tend to hang out with pretty young women and robot dogs. And honestly? I respect that.

Still, I bring certain things to the table. Humor, witty banter, and a beard that will allow me to blend in seamlessly with any pre-industrial Germanic culture. I'm also an excellent kisser and play a mean game of Settlers of Catan.

Just throwing it out there.

Lastly, if any of you happen to have a digital copy of the book you'd like to e-mail me, I'd really appreciate it. I'd love to see the five-star version of the book, because right now, the one I'm toiling away at is about a three an a half-in my opinion. It would save me a lot of work if I could just skip to the end and publish it.

Sincerely yours,


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October 8, 2015
One star. Because holy fuck. We see you. We see you at Comic Con and at NerdCon and at PAX. We see you doing this podcast. And that podcast. We see you writing short stories, novellas, and contributing to anthologies. We see you hawking Kickstarter shit and writing for video games. We now see that you're doing some nonsense about ancient gods and monsters on the History Channel (really, The History Channel? Really?). We see you traveling here, and traveling there. We see you with Worldbuilders. We see you writing approximately 10,000 words for your blog each week.

If you can do all that, I know, and so does everyone else at this point, that you have had time to finish your book, and for whatever reasons (I can certainly speculate that it has a lot to do with you being so scared you'd rather hide under copious amounts of blankets than release the final book and possibly have to read a negative review of it based solely upon the contents of the book rather than your readers' growing impatience) you're choosing not to. Instead you're choosing to play Neil Gaiman, which is all well and fine, except that Neil Gaiman isn't doing everything he's doing instead of the one thing he promised his readers a decade ago.

So I don't know. Maybe in seven more years you'll release book three. Maybe it will be as good as the two proceeding it. Maybe it will be a hot pile of steaming horseshit. What I do know is that I (and I'm sure multitudes of others) will never read anything ongoing by you again.
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April 14, 2014
They called him Rothfuss the Ruthless.
Rothfuss the Ruggard.
Rothfuss the Righteous.
He had earned those names. Bought and paid for them.

They say he could stop a man's heart with one word:

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February 13, 2016
"When you wait a few span or month to hear a finished song, the anticipation adds savor. But after a year excitement begins to sour."

-Kvothe, The Name of the Wind, Ch. 12

What happens after 5 years?
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December 6, 2020
Dear Pat,

I don’t want to sound impatient but I can’t help but wonder when you’re finally going to grace us with your last book. You see, I’m a sucker for statistics and I did my math so I thought about a lot of things you might be interested in. (The results were pretty alarming and I’m fairly certain you might be inclined to agree with me. XD)

So without further ado I’m going to give you a few reasons to publish “Doors of Stone” a little sooner:

1.) “The Name of the Wind” was first published on March 27, 2007 so that means that it’s been 13 and a half years since the first book of your trilogy was released.
2.) A 15 year old teen who read it when it hit the stores would be around 28 years old by now. Just two more years and she/he’s been waiting half of his life for the end of your series. (Quite an achievement, I’ll give you that. ;-P)
3.) When “The Name of the Wind” was published you were 34 years old. (I have to trust Wikipedia on that one, hope it’s correct, I know in some cases age can be quite a touchy subject. ;-P You seem to have an awesome humour though, so I guess you won’t hold it against me, right?)
4.) Anyway, you were 34 years old when the first book got out, you were four years older when “The Wise Man’s Fear” hit the stores. So 38. The release date was March 1, 2011. Double the years and we have eight years which would mean “Doors of Stone” should get out in March 2019? Wouldn’t that be a nice marketing strategy? At least that way no one could claim you’re not consistent. ;-)
Update 2019-07-13: Okay, new theory since March 2019 has passed and the book wasn't released: What about adding 7 years after "The Slow Regard of Silent Things?" It got out in October 2014, so about 3 years after "The Wise Man's Fear" and "The Name of the Wind" got out in 2007 so four years before that. Which makes 7 in total, so that would mean October 2014 plus 7 years is October 2021? XD
5.) So I was 19 when “The Kingkiller Chronicle” started, I’m 32 now. You were 34 when it started, you’re 47 now. I think it’s safe to say that both of us won’t get any younger. (If you can prove me otherwise please write me a message and share your knowledge. I’m sure me and supposedly the rest of the world would be very interested in the concept of eternal youth. ;-) Truth be told, you might even earn more money with this kind of knowledge than with your last book. Oh, damn. Am I giving you ideas?! Scratch that, we definitely want to read your last book, the mystery of the philosopher’s stone can wait a few more years.)
6.) Your beard looks lovely and I’m sure it would look great on the back cover of that last book! ;-P
7.) Don’t make me buy a 10 year special edition of “The Wise Man’s Fear” before “Doors of Stone” is out. Would be so not cool and you’re cool, I know that you are. *nod nods* XD

Well, I hope those were enough reasons! If not you can always write me and I’ll make sure to come up with another bunch of more than just good reasons. I’m a very creative person, I can handle it. ;-P

Kind regards,
Virginia – The Sassy Library Fox
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March 18, 2018
Yeah, sorry, thanks but no thanks. Don’t care anymore. Won’t be buying it. Won’t be reading it. Hyping up for a book that is seemingly never going to be published is just a waste of time and effort. When an author spends nearly 7 years working on a book that he publicly stated more than a decade ago was already written and then goes on to spend ridiculous amounts of time touring and making appearances, Twitch streaming his gaming habit, running a dozen or so kickstarters, doing some really sketchy asking for donations, writing an entire novel’s worth of blog posts about nothing every year, and generally looks like he’s doing everything but actually working on the book, I tend to lose interest and respect. Asking for donations while twitch streaming to decide whether or not he’ll go write for a few hours, that right there, that is enough to justify my opinion of him as a person, and my lack of respect for him as an artist. After the way he’s treated his fans with his complete lack of work ethics, I think he’s going to find that he doesn’t have any fans anymore by the time he finally gets this book out in another 3 or 4 years. He’s even now blaming Donald Trump for the fact that the book isn’t done yet. Just fuck off, Rothfuss. Seriously. Fuck off.

Just go look at reader reviews on this site for the book and you’ll see a pretty clear picture. 90% of the comments I’ve read are negative. Fans that are angry. Fans that don’t care anymore. Fans that are sick of Rothfuss talking down to them and treating them like crap. Fans that have moved on to other things. Fans that refuse to pay money for the book on general principle. Fans that say they will purposely wait a few months to buy the book so that their purchase doesn’t help the book become a bestseller on release. Fans that are now looking back on the first two books and wondering why they liked them so much. There’s a few comments from people that are still hyped up for the book. But a lot of them are years old by now. Few are recent. There are a few comments defending Rothfuss and his crazy lack of work ethic. But those are dwindling in number from the last time I checked. The point is, that the huge fanbase that he once had looks like it is evaporating, and by the time the book actually comes out, I don’t know how many will actually be left. I certainly plan to never buy or read this book.

When you’re an enormously popular author like Stephen King, for instance, have a good four dozen books under your belt and a long and storied career spanning decades, making your name a household name, you can take seven years to write another book in your twilight years. When you’ve published a grand total of two books in a single decade long writing career, in a comparatively small and niche genre on top of it, your name and your series doesn’t really have the staying power, and you’re probably going to find out the hard way what procrastination gets you. I imagine that his publisher is just about ready to drop him by now. Everyone in my family has heard of Stephen King. Some of them have read some books, others have seen movies, but all of them know who he is and what he is famous for. None of them have heard of Patrick Rothfuss, and couldn’t give a rat’s ass about him either way. See how that works?

I’ve worked on the outside edge of the publishing industry. If an up and coming author goes 5-6 years over his deadline, that’s a contract breaker right there. It doesn’t matter how popular he might appear, or how many copies that one book might sell. Most publishers just won’t want to have to deal with him anymore after that. And he’s going to have a hard sell to any other publishers for any book that’s not a completed standalone for the rest of his life because of it, and even then, not many publishers are going to want to risk it. When he’s not producing books regularly, he’s not making them money. They could grab another less known author and contract them and sell just as many books over seven years with his 2-4 that he’ll get out in that time than they will with one Patrick Rothfuss book. And one of them is infinitely easier to work with. When you show yourself unable or unwilling to meet contract deadlines, and have THIS MUCH shit a publisher can point to and say, “so, you were doing all of this but the work we contracted you to do went years longer than you said it would,” you’re breaking a business promise. And businesses remember that sort of thing. They tell their friends and competition. You broke a business deal in a spectacular way, that’s going to get around, and no one will want to work with you. Especially in a case where you are a newcomer to the market and have a grand total of two books under your belt. Two books in over a decade, with no third in sight, that’s enough to give even the most greedy publisher pause. Oh, sure, he's probably got enough fans that he could probably make a living self publishing on Kindle or whatever, but it's not just publishers that are going to be wary of him. Fans are likewise going to be pretty wary of picking up anything new that he publishes that isn't a completed standalone. No one wants to wait a decade for the end of a trilogy, or longer for the completion of a new series, especially if there are going to be seven year stretches of nothing to keep you going.

So yeah, I don’t care anymore. Honestly, I haven’t really cared since I read the second book, almost seven years ago. I felt that it was a pretentious pile of garbage with no point or purpose. I’ll wait 7 years for an A Song of Ice and Fire book, or a Stephen King book. I actually like them. But from an author who has written two books, period, 50% of which are crap, no thanks. People like to tell me that there were a lot of long waits between Wheel of Time books, which I’ve often stated is my favorite book series. And that is true. There were a lot of long waits for books in that series. But here’s the thing. The longest I ever had to wait for a Wheel of Time book, was five years, and that was because the author freaking died. Usually it was more like 2-2.5 years at the most. The first five or so, including the longest book in the series, came out yearly. In the time it’s taken Patrick Rothfuss to publish two books in his trilogy, Robert Jordan published eight books of HIS trilogy. There’s a marked difference in work ethics there, and I enjoyed the Wheel of Time a hell of a lot more than I ever did either of Rothfuss’ books. Even the bad ones were better than anything I’ve read from Rothfuss.

So, anyway, after that long and meandering stream of me bitching about things that aren’t important, here’s the TL;DR: NOPE! Patrick Rothfuss can fade away into obscurity where he belongs for all I care, and good riddance to him.
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December 4, 2013
One of the most obvious (but not at the time) potential reason for the loss of Kvothe's powers and transformation into Kote is actually in the first chapter of The Name of the Wind.

"He called himself Kote. He had chosen the name carefully when he came to this place. He had taken a new name for most of the usual reasons and for some of the unusual reasons as well, not the least of which was the fact that Names were important him."

It's easy to disregard this as significant so early in the series, since it occurs before the reader knows the importance of Naming in the story.

Given that sentence, I would say that Kvothe sealed his own powers, since it is inferred that he changed his name to Kote purposely and of his own volition knowing the consequences of changing a true name. It would also make sense why Bast refers to "healing" Kvothe as "drawing him out of himself." Since Patrick Rothfuss wrote the entire trilogy before the first book was published (the time spent between releases have been on edits), such early foreshadowing is a definite possibility.

Just a few thoughts.
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August 13, 2022
August 13th 2022, SHIT'S HITTING THE FAN, WOOOOOOOOO! https://www.reddit.com/r/books/commen...

So 2022 is just behind the corner and, basically, fuck this guy. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

And, apparently, Rothfuss hasn't been working on book #3 for dogshite. Fuck, I'm laughing. Hard.

Check this shit out! https://www.newsweek.com/kingkiller-c...

"I think you are right," Wollheim responded. "I don't think he's written anything for six years."

Also, check out Amazon Germany trolling the neckbeard!


Well, fuck me senseless...you shitting me? I can't believe it.





«And by “this,” I mean there’s an official Rick and Morty Dungeons & Dragons crossover comic happening. And I’m writing it.»

So, once again, Rothfuss is doing fuck all but finishing book #3. Go figure.


"There’s no point writing brilliant books if you lose the support of publishers, the interest of booksellers and the attention of readers."

Joe Abercrombie

According to what I read on fantasy-faction, DOS won't be released in 2015 either. 2016? Me arse. 2017 maybe. At this point, I'm giving up on Rothfuss altogether.

And, since I don't give a poo anymore, I'll just write down the right epilogue to "Doors of Stone" for ya'll to enjoy.

Sorry about the spoilers an'all but, as I stated, I don't give a flying squirrel's chuff anymore.

So here we go.

"DOORS OF STONE" in less than two minutes!

Kvothe goes on a furnication-rampage and proceeds to have sexual intercourses with just about everything walking on two legs. Only he's not exactly Nacho Vidal so, when he eventually ends up between Denna's thighs, go figure, she's not one bit happy with his poor performance and calls him a twat, a limp weenie, a sissy, and a useless fucking bastard cunting yobbo. At that point, Kvothe is forced to come clean and reveals he's made up all the Felurian shite he bragged about in the second book. Denna goes "Oh really? I don't give a shit anyway. Now twat off you fuck... I mean... ah, whatever.", becomes a raging lesbian, and opens her own butch-hotel in Tarbean (The Carpetmunching Unicorn). Kvothe, realizing he's nothing but a worthless pile of vermin ordure, considers suicide but, eventually, changes his mind because he's chickenshit and full of his own shite. So he becomes a waiter, and finds out he actually likes the job as it gives him plenty of time to annoy every bastard customer with his made-up drivel. Only nobody buys his bullcrap for a minute... until, one day, Chronicler shows up and, go figure! Not only does he believe all the epic horse-bartering, he also writes down everything he's fed. The gullible idiot.

The end.

Edit - According to amazon, the book has a release date: August 17th 2017. Oh, 896 pages. Six years and five months after TWMF. I'm not pulling this out of my ar... err... making this up, and it's not April 1st either. See for yourselves: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untitled-Rot... I know I'll end up buying the book, eventually. I also know it'll be the last book I'll ever read by this author.

Edit #2 - There is no release date. https://youtu.be/dW8efme5eSU <--- Skip to 2:01:05 & 2:03:06 and hear for yourselves. Book 3 is going to come out "later" because of.... wait for it... DONALD TRUMP.




AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Alright, this bloke is taking the piss out of us; either that or he's fucking delusional. It's not that he's a lazy author doing fuck all but finishing the book, it's the politics of his country keeping him from finishing the bastard. Right, you twats, now you know who's to blame: DONALD FUCKING TRUMP. That's who's behind Patrick Rothfuss's writer's block.


Fuck off.

Meanwhile, in Germany...

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December 4, 2013
It is absolutely unbelievable how many connections there are in this book. In no particular order, here are some interesting things I picked up on:

Kote is the proprietor of a quaint little inn named The Waystone Inn. If you remember, a very young Kvothe explains to Abenthy the tradition of the Greystones, or Waystones, as being an unexpected and pleasant break from the road. Hence, The Waystone Inn. Ironically, the inn Kote runs is of much better quality and offers a much larger selection of goods than one might expect given it's small clientele base and location, making it quite the pleasant and unexpected break from the road.

When Kvothe is speaking with Kilvin, Kilvin mentions a saying in Siaru that means, "Expect disaster every seven years." The Siaru word that translates into 'disaster' is 'kote.' Remember that Kvothe picked his name very carefully when he set up the Waystone.

Kvothe swore on his Name, his power, and his good left hand that he would not attempt to discern the identity of Denna's patron. As the situation stands now, he's named himself Kote, meaning disaster, Denna is not a part of his life, and he cannot seem to Name, perform Sympathy, fight, or make music. The implication is that he broke his word to Denna and, being a Namer, there was actual magic binding him to his word when he swore that oath. My other idea is that he didn't just call himself Kote, he changed his True Name to Kote. It doesn't say that he assumed a name, or that his name is a part of a disguise - he changed his name. If you remember, Elodin became panicked when he misunderstood Kvothe and thought Fela had changed her name.

When Kvothe is just a child in Tarbean, he nearly freezes to death in a snowbank. As he drifts closer to death, he imagines some sort of shadowy bird with flaming wings descending towards him - fortunately, a kind stranger, who is ironically dressed as Encanis, discovers him and saves his life. If you recall Skarpi's story about the creation of the Amyr, he mentions that they vanished form mortal sight and cannot be seen except at great peril. Perhaps Kvothe was seeing an Amyr or perhaps it was simply a hallucination.

When Kvothe learns to put his feelings to music, one of his songs is titled, "Riding in the Wagon With Ben", this is also the name of one of the chapters in The Name of the Wind.

Jeez, I had dozens more but, naturally, when I try and organize my thoughts and type them out most of them escape me.

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August 27, 2015
Sadly, I would discourage anyone from reading this series, for the sole reason that I no longer believe it will ever be finished.

I would never have started the series had it not been stated that the story as a whole was already complete and all that remained was some editing on the final book.

It has been years without any update as to where in the editing process the author has reached, nor any explanation as to what may be causing delays. Meanwhile, the author has published and released another book, attended multiple conferences, regularly updated his blog - the main purpose of which appears to be to flog marketing collateral, continually posts to his social media feeds and has held meetings with Hollywood.

Basically, I have lost faith in this author's desire to produce a good story. Rather it seems that he has been more concerned with building his own profile. The absence of any update with regards to editorial progress displays a lack of dedication to his writing craft, nor consideration for his audience. Instead, his constant personal profile efforts suggesting a preoccupation with the trappings of fame.

However, the biggest indicator for me that this book will never see the light of day, is the author's recent claim that he is delaying publishing as he wants the book to be "perfect." Any sane person knows that nothing can be perfect.

Therefore, taking into account this and the author's meanderings studies at university, where he flitted from subject to subject, I suspect that his is the archetypal procrastinating perfectionist personality type.

The kind of person who is good at starting many things, but sadly, lacks the focus to finish them. I suspect that is what the readers are dealing with here and why I have lost faith in ever seeing the final book published.

During the intervening years I have friends who have died without ever knowing the conclusion of this story. The delays have reached the point of ridiculousness and caused me to lose faith in this author.

I do greatly enjoy his writing, finding it rich and absorbing. The Slow Regard of Silent Things was one of the best unique books I have ever read. However, I simply find it unacceptable to publish new books before completing a series. To follow this with a further two year delay with no updates at all is a betrayal to the readers.

The series was marketed as being a complete story and readers were told that only editing remained. The unbelievably long delay leads me to believe the final book was not written and I can no longer trust that it will ever be finished.

This is a shame as the author does hold so much talent. Sadly, as with any artist, discipline is also required.
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May 13, 2014
Seeing as the book has yet to release and there are already hundreds of 5 star ratings i find it only fair that a book that has enraged me to this point deserves a 1 star.

of course i will buy the book and i more than likely will enjoy the book but that won't help me to like the book as i did with the first.

First let me say; before the release of the name of the wind, Patrick Rothfuss announced the completion of all three books, the three books in this trilogy were completed, the three books who would write for this series had been finished, he planned to release these books in one-year intervals, as he announced, completely understandable, it's almost tradition for not just authors but for many other forms of entertainment to release a new form or medium for enjoyment to release new models at yearly intervals.

When i heard about the completion of the novels and the general praise the book was getting i decided to pick it up, of course i completely fell in love with the books cliche yet beautifully written story, the characters were deep and full of life, i was really in love with the book.

I couldn't wait for the wise man's fear, i couldn't wait to see what questions would be answered, how they'd be answered, what new riddles would pop up within the pages. Unfortunately, this books release date was pushed back several times due to reasons i do not understand.

Instead of a 2008 release date like the fans were promised the book was pushed back four years. Four years. I will admit that the book was extremely well written, but the depth of the story is no where near as long or as deep as a series such as the game of thrones, which George Martin has taken just as long to write a single novel in his series.

This in my opinion is unacceptable, the series was claimed to be finished and yet the book is pushed back three years for what? editing? three years would not be allowed at all for anything other than a book, if a movie, game, tv series, even a new phone model was pushed back three years there would be an outrage, but since we fans are the pawns of authors we have to abide by their will.

I cannot make excuses for authors, Patrick Rothfuss might have really been editing his book for four years, however the much more likely occurrence would have to do with the side stepping of his writing, the general distractions that Patrick has enjoyed immersing himself in so joyfully. (more on this later)

So, it has been three years since the release of the wise man's fear and even now, may/2015 the release date has been pushed back several more times for the doors of stone, looking at reviews from 2012 i can see people expecting the book to release in 2013, this was then pushed to 2014, to may 2014. It would be about the time i'm writing this review that the book; the doors of stone would have been published, a book that was apparently written seven years ago. We can't assume why it's taken so long, we can only defend Patrick, that he has been editing his book this entire time or take the offense, that he has been caught up in distractions and knows about the money he can make by jumping a hype bandwagon that has been leaving fans in it's trail for years.

So, what has happened in those three years since the wise man's fear?
- Fundraisers (of course for a good/great cause, raising money for the people in need can never be looked down upon)
- side books (to be released in october 2014, months after the announced release date of the doors of stone)
-Children's books
- Kickstarters (Nobody cares about the card game that you're trying to force down our throats Patrick, you wouldn't need people to donate money for a kickstarter if you released your novels earlier anyway, since when do authors even engage in such gimmick money grabbing events anyway? Also those stones or coins? really? really??)
- Constant interview after interview (if you follow Patrick on facebook you'll know what i'm talking about, every few days is another interview that barely seems to intervene with his writing schedule, almost as if he doesn't have one at all)

There are more i could list but anyone would get the gist of what i'm saying, Patrick has obviously gotten so involved in the money making events his books could potentially create that he's lost sight of an actual goal, this to me in disgraceful. To release a book seven years ago, telling his fans that all three books were finished only to have released the second book four years later is pathetic. Patrick has release 2 books of his Kingkiller chronicles trilogy in 7 years. Let that sink in.

I can't see an end to this series. What initially was introduced as a quick trilogy for us to enjoy and finish with a quick smile has been turned into seven years of money grabbing and lies, dates constantly being pushed back for no reason, books that have no relevance to the series are being released. Sure Kvothe's story might only last a trilogy, but what about Kote's? we all know that Patrick will never fit both 'characters' stories into one book, will we see the final book split into two? My guess is a new series all together, a sequel if you like for Kote to regain his 'powers'. Not only that but books that are to occur within the four corners have been announced, not only has Patrick ridden the fame train for 7 years for these two books, he's preparing the rest of his life as an author to be based around this world.

If you are really blinded by how much Patrick spits into the face of his fans, you deserve the wait, you deserve to wait another who knows how many years before you have your trilogy finale. Another book coming out in october this year only confirms another year or more before the doors of stone is to be released, and if that book is coming out in october what does that say about the doors of stone? a book that was meant to be finished 7 years ago, a book that Patrick has supposedly been editing for 3 years is now being pushed back because Patrick was writing a different book altogether.

Pathetic Patrick Rothfuss, just pathetic, for an author praised for his writing ability you sure do like to make fans who have been with you for almost 7 years wait for a third book. And then there are authors like Brandon Sanderson, who take their writing as a job seriously, who know how to make their fans happy. There are Authors like J.K. Rowling; who work tirelessly and are completely great full for opportunity their writing has brought them, people like them are able to write their books, please their fans, make their money, donate to the needy and are praised.

You however have been praised for releasing 2 books over the course of 7 years and milking his fans down to absolutely nothing.

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September 12, 2016
The only thing worse than Rothfuss is the pathetic delusional fans that grovel at his feet and still defend him despite his attitude.

I honestly hate the author. Not because he's a slow writer, but because of his awful attitude towards his fans.

He goes off on fans for asking perfectly reasonable questions.

A few years ago someone asked him for an update on the third book, and he got so butthurt he said it would come out in 2020.

He KNOWS that all anyone cares about is the third book, it's the only reason he was ever fuking relevant.

And some fans still defend him saying shit like "Stop trying to rush him! It takes a long time to make quality content!"
I'm actually laughing at how pathetically delusional they are.

The guy is an absolute scumbag with his head up his ass.
Just look at his twitter: http://i.imgur.com/mTWwkZ3.jpg
"Especially the please."

Here's the reality of the situation:
He isn't focusing on the book. That's the last thing he cares about at this point.
He's writing children's books that noone asked for.
He's becoming involved in a myriad of Kickstarter projects.
He's trying to make a TV show out of it.

He even asked for donations to let people vote on whether he should work on the book or play Fallout 4.
He recently did some twitch stream of him playing No Man's Sky.

All of this instead of finishing his long-overdue promised trilogy.

He's just milking the Kingkiller universe and trying to get as much wealth out of his first two books as possible.

At this point, I'm fairly certain that if the third book actually does get released, it will suck.
Especially after reading that godawful Auri book. I'm not getting my hopes up.

And I think he knows it won't live up to the hype so he's buying time.
He doesn't want people to read his subpar third book before he milks the ever living shit out of the first two books.

Some humility and honesty would go a long way to keep his fanbase.
But the man is absolute scum.
He doesn't deserve success.

I urge everyone to have some self respect and don't give him money for his third book (if it ever comes out)
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March 13, 2019

Let me tell you a story. My girlfriend gave me tNoftW on our first week of dating. Previously, I had handled it in a bookstore, read the synopsis, decided that "maybe it's not for me". I read the book, and by golly, it was amazing. I fell in love with it.

A year later (lucky me) the second book got published. I eagerly waited its translation into Portuguese. My girlfriend saw that I was eagerly waiting for it, and decided to gift it to me (since she gave me the first without barely knowing my tastes, she thought it would be romantic if she gave me the whole trilogy). I liked it, a little less than the first one.

Then came the tSRoST. Man, was I excited. Auri is my favorite character, and the story is so full of little hints about the workings of naming, i loved it. Decided to wait for the translation yet again. None was forthcoming, and my girlfriend gave it to me as well (this time in english).

I read NotW in my first year of university. I have now finished it. I wrote my master thesis. You haven't written your book. It is sad, because I am was emotionally invested in the trilogy. I recommended it to a lot of people. Everyone I knew who read anything slightly similar to fantasy. I defended you when the fans started to get restless.

Yes, you are not our bitch. Yes, you can take all the time you want.

When I started following you on facebook and blog, I saw how invested you were in worldbuilders. Pretty awesome, I thought (and still do, charity is awesome, period). I then decided that when I started working I would help your charities. As a way to reward you in more than one way. Because you wrote such good books. But you never wrote the third.

Yes, you are not our bitch. Yes, you can take all the time you want.

And I can tell you to bugger off, you and your Tinker Packs and your charities and your conferences and your meet the author and your interviews.

I took my decision back. I no longer plan on helping any of the fundraisers you promote. I no longer plan on buying any merchandise you sell. I no longer plan on buying the third book if it ever gets published.

There was a time I knew basically every minute detail of your books. There was a time I could discuss theories about it with nothing more than my memory. There was a time I told anyone who showed the slight interest about my favorite book. There was a time I hoped.

I have matured since then.

I have discovered awesome authors (currently one of my favorites is Sanderson, mainly because of the worldbuilding capacity he has). I have discovered awesome series. Awesome characters who are not entitled little pricks. A couple who are simply outright evil. Some that made me see the world in a different light.

Nowadays when I talk about your book is to compare you to George R. R. Martin and A song of Ice and Fire. Probably a more generous comparison than you deserve.

So, this long rant is me saying goodbye. Your books marked me. I will probably always remember them. I will probably never read them again. I know I will never recommend them again. So go. Go live your life. I will as well. Publish the book. Don't publish the book. Give it to someone else to finish. Publish it only after you passed away. I no longer care.

Yes, you are not our bitch.

But neither are we yours.
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September 29, 2020
I agree with Kvothe.
When you wait a few span or month to hear a finished song, the anticipation adds savor. but after a year excitement begins to sour. By now, a year and a half(nine years and a half) passed and folk were almost mad with curiosity.
-Kvothe, The Name of the Wind, chapter 12
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November 9, 2017
Rothfuss isn't the writer he once was. He's lost the surety in his hand and I can't help but find it greatly ironic that he is now Kote. He needs a book that's perfect but that will never come to be because he's a shadow of his former self. We the fans will wait and wait at that mahagony stretch of bar just like Bast hoping against all hope that our Reshi will come back to himself. Seeing the glimmer in his eyes every now and again as a sure sign that it's just a matter of time. But what we'll see more often than that glimmer is him polishing the bar, helping the Bentons, making movies and attempting to sell his fans worthless shit. Doing anything and everything he can to avoid the writing process as his eyes grow more and more dull. And of course the silence will grow, feeding off of his inability. Eventually It'll spread over the lot of us like a cloak and In 5 years or so the people who have defended him all this time will see what the rest of us have seen all along. Patrick is a broken man and sometimes broken things can't be fixed. We've heard it again and again, not all stories have happy endings. In fact some stories don't have endings at all. Patrick has become the embodiement of the character that he sought to create, that's more fitting than a 3rd book could ever be. If you want to know how Kvothes story ends just pay close attention to the life of one Mr. Patrick Rothfuss.

Here are a few things that i've figured out.

The Lackless Box

Only a few hands have ever held the Lackless box. It is a treasure that has been shrowded in mystery for thousands of years. I may not know what is in it. But i'm reasonably certain of the fact that box itself is made out of wood from the Cthaeh tree. When inspecting the Lackless box Kvothe admits that he doesn't know what kind of wood it's made of. He knows that its old, and has a lot of iron in it and he knows that is smells familiar:

"The wood itself was interesting . It was dark enough to be roah, but it had a deep red grain. What’s more, it seemed to be a spicewood. It smelled faintly of… something. A familiar smell I couldn’t quite put my finger on. I lowered my face to its surface and breathed in deeply through my nose, something almost like lemon. It was maddeningly familiar. (p.921)

A lemony spice scent that he couldn't quite place, maybe it was hard for him to remember because he was only around it once, just before an extremely traumatic experience. This is a quote from when he walks up to the Cthaeh

"The wind shifted, and as the leaves stirred I smelled a strange, sweet smell. It was like smoke and spice and leather and lemon. It was a compelling smell. Not in the same way that food smells appealing. It didn’t make my mouth water or my stomach growl. Despite this, if I’d seen something sitting on a table that smelled this way, even if it were a lump of stone or a piece of wood, I would have felt compelled to put it in my mouth." (p.680)

It all fits. We know that the Cthaeh and the Lackless box smell exactly the same. We know that the Cthaeh and the box have both been around for thousands of years. We also know that the wood from the Lackless box has a high iron content, couple that with the fact that the Cthaeh is supposedly trapped in the tree and things start to get interesting.

For the sake of arguement lets just assume that the speculation above is correct. What if the Iron in the tree is whats keeping the Cthaeh contained? Is the Cthaeh one of the Fae? What would happen if an arcanist got his hands on the Lackless box? He could probably create a decent link right. He might even be able to use it to free the Cthaeh from the tree. Didn't the fact that Cinder was playing bandit bother anyone?

The Maer

“Someone has been waylaying my tax collectors on the north road.”
“The Lackless lands are in the north, you know.”

The persuit of the lackless box was the only reason that I could think of that would explain why Cinder was on the North road. The same road that Melaun Lackless would have taken to get from her lands to Severin or vice versa. This explains why Cinder had so many people with him. He wasn't just
playing bandit. He needed enough men to overcome a lackless caravan.

Melaun is kvothes aunt
A little obvious.

-Kvothes mom was a noble who ran away with one of the edema
-Melauns sister was a noble who ran away with one of the edema
-Kvothe felt like Melaun seemed familiar
-Melauns eyes are green ringed with gold
-"A son to bring the blood." (kvothe)

Bredon is Denna's suitor.
I see a lot of people trying to speculate about this. I am almost certain that its Bredon.

-Deoch describes Dennas suitor as "white haired and wealthy"
-Bredon is white haired and Wealthy.
-Denna mentions that her suitor is a good dancer
-Bredon mentions that he is learning to dance
-Denna speculates that her suitor might be a member of court kvothe may even have met him
-Bredon is a member of court he has met Kvothe.
-Denna disappears on kvothe while in severin for a week with no notice
-Bredon has gone to his estate at the exact same time and is no where to be found
-Cthaeh mentions Denna's suitor beating her with a walking stick
-Bredons walking stick is mentioned several times

Despite all of this what really drove it home for me was the forshadowing. The games of tak where Bredon and Kvothe size each other up. Bredon saying things like "why would I want to play anything but a beautiful game" and "Setting a trap when you know that your opponent is walking in with a trap of his own." Bredon is smart. Maybe the games were just a front to get to know about kvothe. Maybe thats the only reason that he picked Denna in the first place. Maybe Bredon is really Aculess Lackless melauns father and kvothes grandfather. Who knows?

Denna's suitor. Bredon or not, is involved with the Chandrian

So Denna just so happens to be at a wedding in the middle of no where? Why would her suitor want her there? Unless he knew exactly what was about to happen.

Why would Denna's suitor ask her to keep track of exactly how many people were at the wedding? Why would that matter to him? Unless he needed the number to ensure that everyone was killed. Ensure that they didn't miss anyone. Clean Sweep

The Skin Dancer is inside of the Chronicler and Bast knows it

This is the description that the Chronicler gave when asked about the arm that was just grabbed by the skin dancer.
-“It hurt like twelve bastards when he touched me, like something was tearing up inside.” ... “Now it just feels strange. Numb. Like it’s asleep.” (p.638) R
Really weird way to describe an injury
-Skin Dancer was looking for something. What better way is there to find what its looking for than to sit and listen to kvothe tell his story
-Bast insisted on giving the Chronicler a holly bell crown
-Lastly I'd like to mention that the skin dancer wasn't trying to hurt people. It was trying go come into physical contact with them in some way
-Chroniclers arm is mentioned several times in the following books while the other injuries are not.

*I also found it strange that the mayor had the room for 30 minutes alone with the Chronicler when he was trying to do his will

Lanre/Haliax is also Encanis.
-Encanis is described as having a hamed cloak of shadow
-Haliax has a cloak of shadow
-Tehlu chases encanis around
-Tehlu dedicated his life to chasing the chandrian
-Encanis can't be killed by mortal men
-Haliax can't be killed
-"There is no such thing as demons

Trebon was built in the same place that Tehlu caught Encanis/Haliax and burned him
-Six spoke wheel mentioned in both places
-Both places on a hill
-Mentioned that Encanis screams and destroys all the surrounding stones(Barrow stones)

If Encanis and Tehlu really did burn in a pit maybe what the mauthens didn't find a vase. Maybe what they found was really an Urn containing the ashes of Tehlu and Haliax. Would that be a good link?

Doors of Stone are Greystones
- They are door ways into another world...

Lorren is one of the Amyr
Kind of dumb but I think that its possible
-He knows who Kvothe's father is so he might know that kvothe is a lackless
-Would easily be able to prune the archives
-Made a point of sitting kvothe down after he tried to look up books about the amyr and the chandrian on that first day
-Really stoic. Doesn't smile or frown. Kind of how I pictured an Amyr

*or maybe Caudicus was one of the amyr and they made Alveron sick for the greater good. What other reason did he have to poison the maer?

Lmao, alright here it is

I speculated that Denna's suitor is Bredon. I speculated that Bredon is working for the Chandrian. Denna mentioned that her suitor had her looking through geniologies but she didn't know why. I speculated that the Chandrian want the Lackless box and whatever it contains. A kid that kvothe meets tells him that in order to open lackless door they need "a son to bring the blood." I speculated that Kvothe is a Lackless. So one can come to the conclusion that the Chandrian want that door open, and that they are going to use both kvothe and Denna to do it. Reasoning? I mentioned earlier that Lanre wants to destroy everything, after speaking with the Cthaeh. What better way to destroy everything then to release the enemy from behind the doors of stone?

My theory in a nutshell.
The Cthaeh is malicious and all knowing. It can see the future, and it can mold it. I think that both the Lanre and Kvothe and Jax are pawns that the Cthaeh is using to get the doors of stone reopened. I think that the Cthaeh wants to free itself from behind the doors of stone.It wants to free Jax who stole the moon, who knows why? But think about how freaked Vashet was when Kvothe was told his name was Maedre in Hearthstone. A name with the meaning the broken tree... If the tree refers to the Cthaeh and Kvothe some how allowed it to escaped I would be scared too.

All I know is that in the current story line the doors are open(grey stones)
-the fae run rampant
I know that Jax is probably free
-There is absolutely no moon in the current timeline
I know that kvothe hasn't killed the Chandrian
-If he did bast wouldn't fear there name being said aloud after the adem story
I know that Denna is dead and that she probably betrayed kvothe cause that sounds like something that she would do

After looking at this I can see that It has almost no structure. That said I made a few valid points. If anyone somehow manages to cobble together a coherent theory or has an idea that I didn't mention I would love to hear about it in the comments.

Rothfuss I would like to apologize in advance for firguring your next book out before you had a chance to release it. If you had put it out sooner this all could have been avoided.
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March 9, 2018
No, this book isn’t out yet (joke’s on us because it’s something Rothfuss just can’t complete) and I hate when people do this, but this quote has made me actually despise an author. Rothfuss’ completely flippant attitude towards this book has made me feel like this series is just a joke to him. I mean, come on, Wise Man’s Fear was a joke (basically just Kvothe seducing an unseduceable sex fairy and then he goes on a sexual conquest) and then he comes out and says this:

“I am an author who has tricked you into reading a trilogy that is a million-word prologue.”

No, douche bag, you haven’t tricked me into reading your trilogy because I’ll never touch anything with your name on it again. And you can’t “read a trilogy” that doesn’t have the third book completed going on 7 years now. Just admit to everyone that you can’t complete this series because you DON’T.KNOW.HOW.TO.

Ugh I hate this guy. End rant.
May 29, 2021
Ahem. I'm a time-traveller and I call this one total crap. Hopefully, in the current timeline, it will get constructed better than in the one I read it and found out it was Meh!

For reals, I stopped half-way through the 1st book when I realised I was falling in love with it and would want to read the whole trilogy in 1 sitting. Hah, it's been a decade since then ... and there's a significant chance that I grew up since then and won't love it as much...

Ha-ha, it's the most highly-rated unexisting book. Ever, since the dinosaurs left their cultural history overview unstarted.

Dd 12 Aug 2020: 3,601 ratings · 606 reviews
Seriously... what's taking so long, Pat?

Dd 4 Jan 2021: 3.71 · Rating details · 3,771 ratings · 643 reviews
Pat, we're still here and we're not going anywhere! (Ok, maybe I was too opimistic about that. Since neither we're done with COVID nor it's done with us.)

Maybe hire a shadow/assistant writer(s) to help? (If you're procrastinating or unhappy with the result)
Maybe try publishing several versions of the book #3? (See which 1 we like most? If there are several to choose from and choosing is a bitch?)
Maybe try using some parallel world plot vehicles? (If you can't really make up your mind on the direction of the plot?
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UPDATE: Happy new year, folks! I made it to 2022 and I just learned that Rothfuss shared the prologue for this book! I am ecstatic! Hoping for some good news this year.

The year is 2022.

I'm in my room, huddled underneath my blankets reading Doors of Stone. I haven't gotten up from my bed in hours, no bathroom breaks or snack times. Sleep and I have not seen each other in days. I'm dying to know why the series is called the Kingkiller Chronicles. Will Kvothe kill a king? How did Kvothe meet Bast? What's inside the Lackless box? What will happen with the Cthaeh? Am I correct in guessing who Master Ash truly is? What happened to Denna? Just kidding, I don't care about that bitch.


okay, I doubt I'll make it to 2022.
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September 5, 2016
Look it has a cover. Does this mean we will have a release date soon.....

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September 2, 2016
for some reason people have taken it upon themselves to use their review space for an as-yet-unpublished novel to talk shit about the author.

a lot of people.

i recommend the immediate flagging of all such reviews.

also the enthusiastic gibbeting of their creators.

and the immediate canonization of the holy sacred Text That Is Still Too WIP To Have Given Any Sane Person Cause To Have Any Opinion Whatsoever On Anything, Ever.

under no circumstances should you peruse such reviews in the interval between now and the inevitable arrest and disposal of the offending reviewers; they are not entertaining in any way shape or form.

©2014 The Bureau of Irony Identification and Eradication of 'Murrika
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July 4, 2016
Rothfuss has announced he is changing the title from "Doors of Stone" to "Chinese Democracy"
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May 13, 2012
Can't wait for this book to come out. Patrick Rothfuss is an incredible writer. We all want Kvothe to get his powers back..

Trilogies are so much better than epic fantasy series that just go on & on & on & on (take note George RR Martin).
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January 9, 2013
I have a few suggestions myself as to the mysteries of the book. If you are anti-spoilers, DO NOT READ PAST THIS POINT.

For many, the immediate assumption is that Kvothe and Denna will get together. I initially assumed this as well, however i found something that was a little misleading if this was the case.

Kvothe quite clearly states when "The Woman" is enterring into the book:

'Kvothe smiled. "Not women, Bast. A woman. The woman." Kvothe looked
at Chronicler. "You have heard bits and pieces, I don't doubt. I will tell you
the truth of her. Though I fear I may not be equal to the challenge."
Chronicler picked up his pen, but before he could dip it, Kvothe held up
a hand. "Let me say one thing before I start. I've told stories in the past,
painted pictures with words, told hard lies and harder truths. Once, I sang
colors to a blind man. Seven hours I played, but at the end he said he saw
them, green and red and gold. That, I think, was easier than this. Trying to
make you understand her with nothing more than words. You have never
seen her, never heard her voice. You cannot know."
Kvothe motioned for Chronicler to pick up his pen. "But still, I will try.
She is in the wings now, waiting for her cue. Let us set the stage for her arrival.
. . ."'

It then continues on to chapter 49. Within this chapter, the only female Kvothe meets is Devi. And while at first this seems to make the most sense, it is later proved flase at the start of chapter 53.

"THE EOLIAN IS WHERE our long-sought player is waiting in the wings.
I have not forgotten that she is what I am moving toward. If I seem to
be caught in a slow circling of the subject, it is only appropriate, as she and
I have always moved toward each other in slow circles."

And yes, Denna is included in the next chapter, at the Eolian. But she has already been mentioned in the book, in chapter 32 and 33. The only other female who could be considered wild is Auri. Unlikely, yes, but she is included in the same chapter, and it is the first time that she ever comes up to greet Kvothe. It is something to think about. So either this is some brilliant ploy to subtly point us in the wrong direction, towards Denna, or an error within the text. Both are plausible, and i suppose we will simply have to wait and see.

Then, as was pointed out by fellow reader Abhik, Kvothe's first love called him Dulator, because she liked the sound of it. Kvothe's already given Auri a name, might she decide to give him one also?

Of course, there is also the possibility that I have over-analysed the book.

Another point of curiosity is the door's of stone, and how often they are mentioned. Felurian says the stealer of the moon is locked beyond the doors of stone. Skarpi speaks of Lanre killing the great black-scaled beast, and after the battle was finished, the enemy was set beyond the doors of stone. Valaritis, as is said on the doors of stone, and as is said by Elodin when Kvothe asks him about it. A name, perhaps? And then Hespe's story, about Jax, the stealer of the moon. When Lanre/Haliax binds Selitos in Skarpi's story:

"Selitos knew that in all the world there were only three people who could match his skill in names: Aleph, Iax and Lyra."

Lyra is dead. Aleph is aparently the creator of everything. Or the first namer, as said by Kvothe.

"In the beginning, as far as i know, the world was spun out of the nameless void by Aleph, who gave everything a name. Or, depending on the verstion of the tale, found the name all things already possessed."

Iax seem very close to Jax, as far as names go. Is Iax the enemy that they spoke of, shut behind the door's of stone? In Hespe's story, Jax unfolded his house, but strange things happened to it, with strange weather in some rooms, differing times of the day throughout. This environment sounds very similar to the Fae.

But what about the Mael, where the skin dancer is reputed to come from? Do other realms similar to the Fae exist? Among all this, I have an overpowering suspicion that Iax/Jax was among the real first namers. Aleph understood, but Iax/Jax was among those who sought to change. He didnt take a Tinker's pack, he simply did what he wanted, and took what he wanted, because he could, because he had the power. Felurian talks of how originally, people simply walked among the world, understanding things and their names. Then came those who sought to change, and how at first they simply changed in the slightest sense. Then, "they grew bolder, braver, wild. the old namers said "stop", but the shapers refused. they quarreled and fought and fobade the shapers." Then the shapers created the Faen world, where they could do as they wished. And they created a sky, with stars, but no moon. Then one came, who was more powerful than the rest, and he reached out and took the moon. Iax. Then came the creation war.

But lo and behold, within the name of the Chandrian's leader, is Iax himself. HalIAX. And upon the pottery thing, he has the signs of the ever moving moon above his head. So who is locked beyond the door's of stone? Something happened to Lanre to change his name, something to do with Lyra. And Iax was in love with the moon, or he simply wanted it. Theres something there, but not enough to draw any significant conclusions. But i suspect that Lanre went to Iax, where he received his naming ability, and somehow the two became combined. This has turned to pointless speculation, so I will move on.

Of the Amyr, it is said that they came from another faction known as the Ruach. Aleph is in the middle of a discussion with Selitos at this point, and says "No. All personal things must be set aside, and you must punish or reward only what you yourself witness from this day on."

I suspect at this point that this is the splitting of the Amyr, or the Ruach. Kvothe finds mention of many many many Amyr, but perhaps they are not Amyr, simply Ruach, judges and knights, and that would also explain why Felurian says there were never any human Amyr.

Of the nine who stood before Aleph, I see character similarities too other characters within the books. Slight, and maybe lunging a bit forward, but...

'Fair' Geisa, "who had a hundred suitors in Belen before the walls fell. The first woman to know the unasked for touch of a man." reminds me, obviously, of Denna.

Ordal, "youngest of them all, who had never seen a thing die, stood bravely before Aleph, her golden hair bright with ribbon" reminds me of Auri.

Lecelte, "who laughed easily and often, even when there was woe thick around him." Reminds me of Simmon.

Tall Kirel who had been burned but left living in the ash of Myr Tariniel, Deah who had had two husbands and whose face and mouth and heart were as hard and cold as stone, Enlas, who wouldnt carry a sword or eat animals, and who never spoke hard words, and Imet, the youngest who never sang and killed swiftly without tears, are all people i cant pin, but then theres the last.

Andan, whose face was a mask with burning eyes, whose name meant anger, reminds me of Kvothe. Or Tempi, whose name meant anger.

Of course, the Amyr bit is entirely speculative, and I have doubts, but a few things rang for me.

Then theres the whole deal with the word "Rhinta", or "Rhintae". Shehyn refers to the Chandrian as "Rhinta", and the skin dancer says "Rhintae" when it is talking directly to Kvothe. I can also swear that i have come across the name elsewhere in the series, but i cant for the life of me remember where, unfortunately.

and the unseen lock on his thrice locked chest? He has the keys to the other two, iron and copper, but the unseen remains a mystery. And what is within the box?

So many questions, and i would bet a lot of money that while a lot will be answered in the last book, a lot will still remain unanswered. After all, Kvothe's story is not yet over.

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