The Secret Commonwealth (The Book of Dust, #2) by Philip Pullman

Jun 19, 2019 Emily (Books with Emily Fox) rated it it was ok · review of another edition

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I can't believe I'm giving this book 2 stars...

His Dark Materials shattered my heart as a kid... I've been dreaming of a book about adult Lyra ever since but this was one of the biggest disappointment of 2020 already.

It took me 3 months to finish this book. A book I had been dreaming about for years...

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Oct 08, 2019 Rachel rated it it was ok

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. Hey this review has spoilers so.
I was really wanting to love this book, and His Dark Materials is basically still my favourite series ever. I don't really know where to begin, so I'm just going to make dot points.
- I'm pretty disappointed
- Why did chapter 31 even need to exist- why is it necessary to the plot to have the attempted rape of the main female character? The parts at the end are filled with unintentional irony. She says she shouldn't have to expect that like Pullman is a massive femin Hey this review has spoilers so.
I was really wanting to love this book, and His Dark Materials is basically still my favourite series ever. I don't really know where to begin, so I'm just going to make dot points.
- I'm pretty disappointed
- Why did chapter 31 even need to exist- why is it necessary to the plot to have the attempted rape of the main female character? The parts at the end are filled with unintentional irony. She says she shouldn't have to expect that like Pullman is a massive feminist for point out that fact, but if he was an actual feminist he would never have put this chapter in the book to start off with. What purpose did it serve?
- Why even mention that Malcolm was attracted to Lyra when she was like. 14 or 15 when he was her teacher and 11 years older than her at the time
- Could there have been a way better way to dismiss cold logic in the face of blind acceptance of the church than a convoluted plot about philosophers/authors? That I find it unrealistic that Pan and Lyra would ever fight about?
- It seems strange the way the events of His Dark Materials are referred to, like they happened 50 years ago instead of only like... 7 or 8. There's no way you forget stuff that fast
- Pullman trying to make an allegory of the rose oil causing conflict = oil disputes and the ultimate controlling of this by the West feels like way too much with everything else happening in this story and also. Poorly done? Same goes for the refugee crisis, the entire chapter about Malcolm at that rally/town meeting, etc
- We already had the Adam and Eve story played out again with Will and Lyra, why do we need this to happen again, just with a story/poem belonging to another culture? You've got this ancient story from this culture and then suddenly, of course it's about our two main white characters who are special!
- Where was the plot? What was the point? Was the purpose of this book solely to set everything up for the 3rd book? What was the true purpose of this story? That as a woman I shouldn't travel to the middle east because most of the people there are clearly poor, impoverished, and cruel abusers?
-The world felt too much like our world. Like Will's world. And not in a "suddenly the world is darker because Lyra isn't a child anymore" which would make sense. It felt too... Modern? I can only imagine how jarring this book would feel reading straight on from The Amber Spyglass/the rest of the trilogy
- I feel like finding Philip Pullman and shaking him and asking "What were you actually trying to do here???!!!???" Is this a spy book? Is this a fantasy book? Is it about terrorism? Is it about religion? Is it about human relationships? The slave trade? Alechmists? Animal abuse? The oppression of women? Refugees? Clearly it's about all of these things but for God's sake, please just pick like 3
- It's like he made a list of every single possible world issue he was interested in/mad about, and shoved it all into one single novel before anyone could edit his list.
- Alice is the best character in this book
- I miss Will ...more

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Oct 10, 2019 Meg rated it it was ok

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Northern Lights is quite possibly my favourite book of all time, and I actually really liked La Belle Sauvage despite the mixed reviews it got, so I was pretty confident that I'd love The Secret Commonwealth. Grown-up Lyra?? I pre-ordered it and started reading it the minute it landed in my Kindle. And... I really didn't like it.

Judging from the reviews on here, I'm in the minority, and I'm not mad about that. I love the world of His Dark Materials and I will always admire Pullman as one of my a Northern Lights is quite possibly my favourite book of all time, and I actually really liked La Belle Sauvage despite the mixed reviews it got, so I was pretty confident that I'd love The Secret Commonwealth. Grown-up Lyra?? I pre-ordered it and started reading it the minute it landed in my Kindle. And... I really didn't like it.

Judging from the reviews on here, I'm in the minority, and I'm not mad about that. I love the world of His Dark Materials and I will always admire Pullman as one of my all-time favourite writers, so the more people enjoy this book, the better.

But I was absolutely astonished by how lifeless this book was. I was amazed at the transformation of Lyra from my all-time favourite heroine into a flat, dislikable character.

On some level, I get it. It's actually very relatable - Lyra's character arc explores difficult themes of growing up into a person you don't like, of realizing that your child-self would be horrified and disappointed by the person you've become, of being quite literally at war with oneself, which is a struggle that many of us go through when we enter our early twenties. It definitely resonated with me. But... this is LYRA. I don't want this to be her arc. I want eleven-year-old Lyra back, with her fire and grit and wild lies.

Malcom is another character that I felt got flattened and squished by this book. I loved kid-Malcom in La Belle Sauvage. He was brilliant and curious and wise beyond his years. Adult Malcom, though, I barely have any adjectives to describe. Not to mention the (view spoiler)

The prose felt expositional, and although there were flashes of brilliant writing (view spoiler), overall the book felt disjointed, the pacing was weird, and the structure just didn't seem to flow very well. There wasn't really rising tension or a climax - random things just seemed to happen, one after another.

I'm really in disbelief at how let down I feel by this book, but of course I'll still eagerly await the next book, and of course Pullman is still one of my favourites. Something about this one just really rubbed me the wrong way. ...more

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Apr 09, 2018 Hannah marked it as to-read

Why the hell are people rating this book one star when it's not even out yet and there's no way they could possibly have read it?? It makes me so mad ¬¬ ...more

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Oct 13, 2019 Sara rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy, fiction, young-adult

The Secret Commonwealth continues Lyra's story, many years after the conclusion of His Dark Materials, with a young woman adrift from her deamon and starting to understand who she really is in the world. It's a story about acceptance, challenging the rules left by the old, and self discovery.

As always, Pullman's writing is a joy to read. He can draw me back into this world effortlessly, as if I've never been away from Lyra and Pantalaimon. But she's not the girl I'm used to seeing. At the start The Secret Commonwealth continues Lyra's story, many years after the conclusion of His Dark Materials, with a young woman adrift from her deamon and starting to understand who she really is in the world. It's a story about acceptance, challenging the rules left by the old, and self discovery.

As always, Pullman's writing is a joy to read. He can draw me back into this world effortlessly, as if I've never been away from Lyra and Pantalaimon. But she's not the girl I'm used to seeing. At the start of the story she's adrift, unsettled by recent texts she's read regarding philosophy and the purpose of deamons. She's lost her spark, her imagination and recklessness. Everything that's the essence of Lyra, the essence of Pan, is gone. I struggled at first to relate to this woman, although her daily thoughts of Will and how he would have handled certain situations absolutely broke my heart. But she's essentially a stranger clinging onto memories, one who doesn't understand Pan anymore, and one who doesn't welcome the strange and unusual into her life. She's changed. And not for the better. With the reintroduction of Mal and Alice, we see Lyra's fate has been continuously intertwined with the two without her ever knowing her entire life. But the naivety of childhood has worn off, and she's soon plunged into their dangerous world once again. A world full of secret societies, secret people...and a secret commonwealth.

There's a lot also going on in the background here. The political machinations we see peeks of in His Dark Materials involving the Magisterium move to the forefront as new players Marcel Delamare and alethiometer reader Olivier Bonneville seek to gain powerful footings within the church. Delamare in particular has grand plans to unite the Magisterium together for his own gains - gains involving Lyra and revenge. Developments that happened over 10 years ago slowly start to come to fruition, in what I can only describe as the longest waiting game ever seen. It's a plot steeped heavily in espionage, lies and politics. Olivier Bonneville is also an interesting new player to the game. Son of the man with the hyena deamon seen in La Belle Sauvage, he's an expert with the alethiometer, and haunted by ideas of revenge towards the man who killed his father. He's not as clever as he thinks he is, and he understands very little about the world he's so heavily involved in, and his obsession with Lyra will not end well.

I liked Lyra's various interactions throughout the novel, as we see her travel across Europe and into the wider world outside Oxford on her quest. Some of the things she encounters along the way are uncanny and strange, but they help to bring Lyra back into what she knows best from her past - her acceptance of everything that's different. I also enjoy her interactions with Mal, Alice and the gyptians, and would have loved Lyra to have spent more time amongst Ma Costa. The comparisons between the girl who visited the Fens as a child with Ma Costa and the woman who revisits now only further highlight her differences, and what she's lost. (view spoiler)

The story rushes to it's finale through bloodshed and mystery, towards the Blue Hotel. It's here that Lyra has been pulled, through her own deciding or by destiny, to find what she's been missing. But there's no conclusion, and a whole heap of questions left unanswered in the desert. It's reminiscent of The Subtle Knife in it's lack of conclusion - more a bridging and setting up kind of novel towards the final instalment, but I can't deny it didn't leave a bitter aftertaste because of this lack of finality to anything.

It was so wonderful to be back with Lyra and Pan in this world, but you must go into this with an open mind. It's a different novel, with a different (much older) protagonist. It's darker, with darker themes and much more intellectual talk and ideas. It's not going to be for everyone, and people expecting more of His Dark Materials will be sorely disappointed. It's not world spanning adventure, but world changing schemes and thoughts. Go in with an open mind and open heart. ...more

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Jan 31, 2021 Lisa of Troy rated it it was ok · review of another edition

Here is my video review: https://youtu.be/USZMOjCprqY

His Dark Materials and La Belle Sauvage have been such an immense delight. They have brought lightness into dark times. It was with much delight that I opened this book.

Lyra, Pan, Malcom, and Alice are all back in this book. However, the book is extremely dark and has lost its magical touch. The book spends the first 200-300 pages in some philosophical debates, and I was expecting it to pick up the pace from there, but it didn't. This book wa ...more

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Oct 03, 2019 Alicia rated it did not like it

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Normally I don't prioritize books by white cis male authors, but I'm still interested in the adventures of Lyra--now a twenty year old college student--so figured I'd make an exception. And then I got to page 187 and said "oh, no. Oh, gross" OUT LOUD. This is what I get for trusting male authors: a character who is "in love" with a girl he's known since she was a baby, who was attracted to her when she was a young teen WHO HE WAS TEACHING, but now it's oka ...more

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Nov 13, 2017 nemo the emo ☠️ (pagesandprozac) marked it as tbr-sequels

"lyra silvertongue as a twenty year old"

"lyra silvertongue as a twenty year old"

"lyra silvertongue as a twenty year old"

"LYRA SILVERTONGUE AS A TWENTY YEAR OLD"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

am actually losin me shit, one of the reasons why la belle sauvage wasn't as good as hdm was because lyra wasn't in it (well i mean she was, but she was 8 months old) but this.... BUT THIS ...more

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Oct 13, 2019 Miles rated it did not like it · review of another edition

As a huge fan of Philip Pullman, I take no pleasure in reporting that The Secret Commonwealth is a massive disappointment. This novel, which begins every bit the worthy successor to Pullman’s marvelous His Dark Materials trilogy, slowly and tragically dissolves into a narrative so desultory and dull that it may as well not exist. Or it’s brilliant in a way I can’t comprehend––but I don’t think so.

Rarely do I feel the need to take vengeance on a novel when reviewing it, but this one brought m ...more

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Oct 14, 2019 Kami rated it it was ok · review of another edition

Oh, the disappointment….

While I appreciate good representation and diversity in the stories that I read, I acknowledge that even in 2019 not all books can be up to my own standards. So if a book is well written, has a solidly planned story, has good pacing and keeps me interested, I will consider it a good book even if it doesn’t contain any good female characters or POC or LGBT+ representation (I definitely won’t like it as much as a good book with good representation, but you know).

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Oct 16, 2019 Alex Sarll added it

What a fascinating mess that was. The opening feels a lot like a Golden Compass* replay, with Lyra back in Oxford, and a student now herself. Except instead of missing children, the mystery we're meant to be exercised about this time is...something to do with roses in the Middle East? Which you might think would feel remote and abstract but oh boy, you'd be amazed how many people Lyra knows suddenly have an intense personal interest in the subject and a reason to talk to her about it. In the mea What a fascinating mess that was. The opening feels a lot like a Golden Compass* replay, with Lyra back in Oxford, and a student now herself. Except instead of missing children, the mystery we're meant to be exercised about this time is...something to do with roses in the Middle East? Which you might think would feel remote and abstract but oh boy, you'd be amazed how many people Lyra knows suddenly have an intense personal interest in the subject and a reason to talk to her about it. In the meantime, she's been bickering with Pan, who is convinced that she's somehow had her imagination stolen away by two modish authors she's been reading. One of them is a philosopher, a sort of nightmarish Jordan Peterson/Slavoj Zizek crossbreed who mingles with the powers that be while inculcating post-truth notions in the young. The other is an ultra-rationalist who's using the terrible power of something which sounds a lot like our own world's nouveau roman to convince people that daemons are only a figment of their imagination. Now, this is interesting on two levels. One is that, given Pullman's own avowed atheism, we might easily have taken him for just such a figure himself. And that reassessment of what he's previously said, that I don't mind at all. One of the things which made Terry Pratchett's later work so invigorating was his willingness to go back, re-examine his own earlier conclusions on religion, see where nuance was wanting, and correct himself. Similarly, it makes perfect sense for Pullman to clarify that when he was inveighing against organised religion, that didn't mean he wanted to shut down the possibility of dreams and stories and the notion of something more than the merely mechanistic. No, the problem comes from the other aspect, which is that anything that looks like our world's rationalism, existing in Pullman's world, is not rationalism at all – it's insanity. There are daemons and witches and talking bloody polar bears, and those are just the widely known facts. Lyra herself has been to other realities and the Land of the Dead, met angels, the whole shebang – and not been treated as insane when she came back from it. There's no reason for anyone to buy into this philosophy, and there's even less for her. And it doesn't help that when we briefly meet the chap, seemingly tormented by his own Alsatian daemon, the pair of them come across like Jim and Wilson in Friday Night Dinner.

In any case, for all Pan's fears, Lyra doesn't seem appreciably less imaginative – just a little beaten down by life, as well one might be. Not just because growing up was always to some extent baked into the series' metaphysics as a limiting process, but because the events of His Dark Materials don't seem to have had any impact on the world; if anything, it's slightly worse, risking that horrible Force Awakens effect of making the original trilogy's struggles and sacrifices seem entirely pointless. You can understand Lyra not wanting to charge down the high street like Nietzsche's madman telling everyone that the Authority is dead, but the way she doesn't even allude to it in more private and occult conversations, and only once or twice mentions the Republic of Heaven inwardly, contributes further to that sense of a reluctance fully to build on the earlier achievement. Might this itself represent that lack of imagination? Well, maybe, but more often characters (particularly, but by no means solely, Lyra) seem only to suffer from a lack of common sense, as often happens when a writer needs to keep a plot moving and doesn't much care how they do so. I first bridled early on, when Lyra, despite all of her past experiences with the authorities, tries to report the story's inciting incident to the police. Still, local force, everyday matter...well, OK, maybe. But it keeps happening, reaching a nadir when despite knowing the Magisterium is stirring, and against her, she wanders into the very heart of it – not for a vital secret mission or anything, just for something to do while she waits for a transport connection.

This was not the only time I found myself puzzled by a veteran writer making what seemed like rookie mistakes. The most general of which is, the book really doesn't need to be as long as it is. Far too often, A will tell B something, which B subsequently tells C, and while that does need to happen on some level, we really don't need it in full pretty much every time. Very occasionally there's an important detail omitted or distorted in the retelling, but they're only easier to miss for being hidden in so much repetition. This helps contribute to a wider sense that it's unclear for what audience The Secret Commonwealth is intended. They're sequels to beloved children's books, certainly – but from fairly early on the F-word is getting dropped in here and there, never to any great purpose or in a way where its substitution would appreciably weaken the scene. The most constructive guess I can make is that it's by way of an early warning to parents who maybe grew up on the earlier books that they shouldn't let their kids read this one yet, a warning mainly justified by one genuinely traumatic scene near the end. Other than that, it's mainly gentle hints that Lyra has indeed now done the sex, not least with one of the supporting characters, the unfortunately named Dick Orchard**, and one really awkward section where a character who first knew Lyra as a literal baby realises they now have a massive crush on her. And while there are some lovely tense scenes scattered among the padding and the disconnects, one of them entirely blows its (admittedly already foreshadowed) big reveal by having it right there in the chapter title.

The themes remain much as one would expect – despite the aforementioned insistence that it's important to believe the world is more than brute matter, Pullman has no more time than he ever did for religion as authority, and that's married now to an equal if not greater suspicion of over-mighty corporations (which, again, I'm not wholly convinced fits the world, but there we are). And alongside the topical fury at post-truth casuistry, and governments with no respect for the rule of law, and a really heavy-handed line about second-hand water cannons, there's a pained awareness of how it feels like the forces of good are always fighting with one hand behind their back, while evil can operate unconstrained. Again, when you consider the forces of good could maybe ask for a hand from the armoured bears and flying witches and so forth, this doesn't really make sense in the context, but hey, Pullman clearly enjoyed writing it. Probably the most affecting of the contemporary nods is the refugee crisis, occasioned by the knock-off Da'esh*** who are tied up with the whole rose business (remember that?). But even here, Pullman lets himself down with another of those rookie mistakes. An important running element in the plot is how strange and unsettling it is for Lyra not to always be tied to her daemon, as most people are. But it seems to vary how easily other people (and daemons) can tell this is the case, rather than eg her having a small daemon which is curled up in her pocket, thank you very much. And its oddness is undermined by Pullman often neglecting to detail what the daemons of other characters are doing, or saying, or simply their presence – something which feels most glaring in the scene where a refugee boat is wrecked, and hearing any detail of what the stricken passengers' daemons are doing would have really served to make fresh what has now somehow become almost an everyday and overfamiliar horror.

Then just when I thought it was going to do that most annoying thing volume 2 of a trilogy can do, and simply end, there's a glimpse of resolution and a cliffhanger which ensured that, whatever my many complaints, I will definitely be back for the conclusion despite it all, despite even that baffling section where everyone suddenly starts talking about stewing eels, which really felt like it must at least be set-up for something, and then wasn't at all.

I'll say this for it, though – the dustjacket is fine, but the book underneath is genuinely beautiful.

*I always preferred that title to Northern Lights – it just fits so much better with The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass.

**Just when I was starting to get over that, the narrative introduces a chap called van Dongen.

***Who are really blatantly a false-flag operation, and this isn't a spoiler because it never quite gets confirmed in this volume. A fictional trope which has been making me deeply uneasy ever since lunatics and edgelords started treating it as an everyday truth. ...more

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May 05, 2021 Henk rated it it was ok · review of another edition

A story that misses the magic of its daemon. Overly long and disappointing in payoff, with too obvious references to the current world to be enchanting
You used to be optimistic. You used to think whatever we did would turn out well.
I used to be young was all she could find to say.

The pacing
All these things that are changing... like ice breaking under your feet.
Lyra depressed could have also been the title of this hefty addition to the His Dark Materials universe of Philip Pullman. Initially I f ...more

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Oct 19, 2019 Allison Denny rated it did not like it

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This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. Oh, I was so excited to read this, I've been hoping for a book after The Amber Spyglass for almost 20 years, but I hated this. No book has made me more furious in a long time. The more of this review I write, the madder I realize I am.

I read The Golden Compass when I was 11, the same age as Lyra. It was the perfect book at the right time for me, it's still a perfect book, and coming after that, The Secret Commonwealth was a shot to the gut. I went into it with my secret impossible hope the same Oh, I was so excited to read this, I've been hoping for a book after The Amber Spyglass for almost 20 years, but I hated this. No book has made me more furious in a long time. The more of this review I write, the madder I realize I am.

I read The Golden Compass when I was 11, the same age as Lyra. It was the perfect book at the right time for me, it's still a perfect book, and coming after that, The Secret Commonwealth was a shot to the gut. I went into it with my secret impossible hope the same as Lyra's: that somehow, no matter what we'd been told, we would get back to Will in this book. Instead, we have this story, which was awful, and 1/3 again as long as it needed to be (we could have cut a lot of the travel), and bleak. And awful. Just bad.

Gutsy, bold, whipsmart Lyra saved every sentient being in the multiverse, and where did it get her? Now she's an adult and she hates herself. She barely remembers the Republic of Heaven. She's turned towards cynicism and denial in an effort to forget the things that hurt--but she can't forget Will, and that doesn't stop hurting. The men she's relied on since we saw her last have all betrayed her. (Yes, Malcolm changing her diapers and then creeping on her as a teenager is a betrayal.) The women she's relied upon are all willing to go to bat for her, and are all proven to be helpless in their efforts. She's lost her boldness. She's cautious and worried, she's desperately lonely, and alone, and sad.

In the larger world, there's some bs subplot about the Magisterium, which is still overreaching and whatever. People everywhere are horrible to their daemons, and their daemons can be horrible back to them. Lyra and Pan have some stupid awful breakup, which is apparently a possibility. I can't even handle this notion. She travels halfway around the world to try to find Pan, trading domestic labor and calling in favors from her ex-boyfriends and being gang-raped as she goes. Gang-raped! Lyra who talked her way out of hell, Lyra who found god in a box and set him free, Lyra who the witches foretold, and in this book, I read about a group of soldiers ripping off her panties and shoving their fingers into her until she's bloody and limping. Just because none of them managed to get his pants down and his dick into her before they're stopped doesn't make it better.

I finished the book and ended it with, I don't know, maybe still the same wish as Lyra. I finished it last night and fell asleep wishing she had stayed with Will. I wish she had spent one good decade with him instead of everything that actually happened. I wish she'd had that time instead of okay years she's had since we saw her last, and the truly bleak options she has for her future.

I hated basically everything that happened in this book. The worst part is, I'm pretty sure I can see the reasoning behind all of it.

Of course this was not going to be 700 pages of Lyra finding windows between worlds and hopping through them until she found Will, or the two of them having some new psychic connection while they're asleep, or the shadows letting them talk to each other through the alethiometer and text messages or whatever. You can't live in your trauma forever; Lyra has to deal with herself (ie Pan) if she's going to have any kind of functional life. The world is bigger than you thought it was when you were 11, and in some ways it's better but in some ways it's worse. Lyra was an 11 year old who saw some shit, but even she didn't see the whole world. Of course some new things are bad.

What pisses me off is, I'm fairly confident Pullman will wrap it up in a way that makes sense. I'm betting Malcolm and Lyra are endgame, which I think is dumb and weird, her atoms and Will's atoms are actually endgame--but UGH, isn't THAT the point? She and Will promised each other to live a full and real life in their own worlds. She can't hold herself in pain and denial for the rest of her life. She has to be open to wonder, and to the experience of her own senses, and to live where she is, if she's ever going to make it to Will's atoms. She has to do it (it being life, it being living) the right way or she might as well not do it at all.

If Lyra and Malcolm have actual real relationship development in the next book, I'm even tentatively open to the two of them. (It's the mooning over each other from afar I find distasteful, as there is definitely an age gap and a power imbalance, nevermind that they don't really know each other at all.) I am just furious about the way in which this is all happening...and that's likely part of the point as well.

Negative eight stars for emotional impact, three stars for mechanics, I'm leaving it at one star for now. ...more

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May 31, 2018 Kristen rated it liked it

Shelves: young-adult, audiobooks

11/17/19 - FINALLLLLY! I finished this chunker! Time to tell you my thoughts.

Alright, so it's no secret that the book that I am most bitter about not enjoying in this world is La Belle Sauvage. It's my most liked and commented on review on this site out of the hundreds upon hundreds that I have read and loved, liked or loathed down through the years.

That being said, I was intensely wary of reading this book. Albeit hopeful still. And now, after spending a hulking 11 days on reading this tome, I ...more

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Jan 23, 2020 Phrynne rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

687 pages and Mr. Pullman still left me hanging at the top of the highest cliff ever. How long to wait now until we find out what happens to Lyra, Pan and Malcolm? This is a fascinating way to write a series. Book one was set when Lyra was a baby and this book, part 2, is set after the events in His Dark Materials. A series within a series. Very interesting.

The Secret Commonwealth is full of action, lots of deaths, and an almost rape. Pullman is not writing for children in this series. However ...more

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Oct 26, 2019 Joseph Casey rated it did not like it

In a similar but much much better world this awful novel was never written.

My wife and I both loved His Dark Materials and consider it one of our absolute favourite stories ever. Our daughter is named Lyra after the protagonist of that series (and this new novel). We both thoroughly enjoyed La Belle Sauvage too and were greatly looking forward to this one. We bought it in hardback and on kindle. The paper copy just a keepsake of what would surely be an amazing book.

To say I am disappointed in th In a similar but much much better world this awful novel was never written.

My wife and I both loved His Dark Materials and consider it one of our absolute favourite stories ever. Our daughter is named Lyra after the protagonist of that series (and this new novel). We both thoroughly enjoyed La Belle Sauvage too and were greatly looking forward to this one. We bought it in hardback and on kindle. The paper copy just a keepsake of what would surely be an amazing book.

To say I am disappointed in this book is a huge understatement. If you are a fan of His Dark Materials no doubt you have already read this but WITH SOME DEGREE OF SPOILER i will try and outline now why it has upset me so much. It started well enough with a little bit of intrigue. Lyra is not nearly as compelling to read as an adult and her relationship with Pan is upsetting. The events of His Dark Materials also seem to have had a bizarrely immaterial effect on the world when one considers the magisterium was on the loosing side of a rather massive conflict. And a quarter of the way through the book Pullman slaps you in the face: crowbarring awkwardly and unnecessarily a 'love' story between characters that is as inappropriate, creepy and morally repugnant as it is a total betrayal of a character's former good nature who was much loved by me before this novel. And leaving me wanting that character to die a profoundly noble death at the earliest opportunity so he might be forgiven for his lecherous sniffing. So profoundly shocking was this ridiculous writing decision that I felt like putting my kindle down and not reading more. The book then progressively turns into a more and more extraordinarily boring snorefest of one irritating nothing after another - with absolutely no imperative whatsoever driving the reader to turn the pages and read on to the end.

The story is a nonsensical mishmash of odd encounters and ideas with no substantive overarching gripping plot. Very few likeable or even very believable characters - adult versions of formerly child characters now dull stereotypes. What can only be described as gratuitous use of threat of, and actual, sexual violence was as insensitively written as it was irrelevant and unjustified in narrative terms, whilst being extraordinarily distressing to the reader. And along with a feeling that the author arbitrarily and morbidly wished to focus on sinister threats the context and subsequent narrative came off as being both misogynistic and culturally offensive or racist etc.

I read La Belle Sauvage in a night. This book was a grinding mission that took me several hateful days to wade through. Even the end of the book - with the exception of a couple of sections back in Oxford - was thoroughly dull. Excruciatingly dull.

My wife finished it before me and we agreed (as did friends of hers) on the above points made.

Read His Dark Materials, and read La Belle Sauvage - and if after that you have fallen in love with the characters therein: LEAVE THIS BOOK WELL ALONE.

I am returning the hardback copy for a refund - we do not want a keepsake of this horrific failure. In fact, I am seeing a hypnotherapist to see if the memory of it can be substantively repressed. ...more

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Jan 13, 2020 mark monday rated it liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: secret-histories, teenworld, fog-and-gears

the book is a fascinating experience full of mystery, emotion, memorable scenes, and real world relevance. the book is a disappointing experience that has somehow lost the magic of its predecessor, let alone the original trilogy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

while remaining true to his basic belief system that organized religion - Christianity, in prior books - is at the root of much of the evils of the world, in Secret Commonwealth the author widens his net to catch the fanatical side of Islam as well. I appreciat the book is a fascinating experience full of mystery, emotion, memorable scenes, and real world relevance. the book is a disappointing experience that has somehow lost the magic of its predecessor, let alone the original trilogy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

while remaining true to his basic belief system that organized religion - Christianity, in prior books - is at the root of much of the evils of the world, in Secret Commonwealth the author widens his net to catch the fanatical side of Islam as well. I appreciated that because I think all major religions have done and continue to do majorly problematic things. and also I didn't appreciate it. mainly because it is actually fun for me to read about the villainous intrigues and politicking of the Magisterium while it was distinctly un-fun for me to read about the bloodthirsty soldiers who come down from their mountain to rant incoherently, slaughter families, decimate villages, and create a refugee crisis all across the world with their vicious deeds. not sure why I can find enjoyment in one but only weariness and palpable repulsion in the other. I mean, both sorts of religions have no problem murdering people, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

there is another evil abroad in the world: young people are losing their imagination! "Young people don't believe in the secret commonwealth ... It's all chemistry and measuring things, as far as they're concerned. They got an explanation for everything, and they're all wrong." this is mainly due to the pernicious influence of a philosopher turned bestselling author and a gadfly turned darling of the ivory tower - two very intriguing new villains to the series who parallel each other in interesting ways. and yet this was also unconvincing. there is now an existential threat to the minds and creative spirits of young people... due to two bestselling books? really? well I suppose this is definitely a fantasy series! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD, sorry. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

there were other things I found unconvincing, or frustrating. or just annoying. and I don't think I've felt annoyed by any other Pullman book. first of all, I hated the whole logic behind Pan leaving Lyra. I know that it inspires Lyra's entire journey, internally and externally... but the reasons behind it are so irritating. he leaves her because she's now a bitch with no imagination and so he takes off in search of... her imagination? for real? does Pan not realize how corny he's being? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ second on my list of annoyances: apparently this happens to other people in the world now - people and daemons just separate from each other because reasons? Pullman supplies many reasons, but none of them really landed with me in a way that felt genuine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ third: Mal falling in love with Lyra was ugh. fourth: this new villain Olivier Bonneville is laughable - especially compared to his genuinely creepy and threatening father from the last book. and fifth on the annoyance list: those gay priest characters were over the top in a way that felt like a cheap potshot on the Catholic Church and some of its issues with predatory priests. so that's five big annoyances. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

fortunately there were things that I really enjoyed in the book as well. I did like the whirlwind tour of a Europe that felt somehow under siege by forces beyond anyone's understanding. the visit to an iconoclastic author's house was fascinating and very disconcerting. the visit to an ancient aristocrat's mansion was also fascinating - she was a fabulous character! the machinations of new villain Marcel Delamare were absorbing. my jury is still out on his family backstory, and why it was necessary to link him that way to Lyra, but his mother was a great one-scene villain. and as much as Lyra bothered me in this book, what she is going through is reflective of what a lot of people her age actually go through, so kudos to Pullman for successfully making the transition from the children's world of the prior books to the young adult world of this book. so yeah, despite my complaints, there were still many things that I enjoyed about this book sitting side by side with the things that gave me no enjoyment. and the first couple hundred pages were riveting. Pullman is an often amazing writer and storyteller. I just wish he had written another perfect book. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ...more

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Aug 28, 2019 Eleanor Slater rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

I count myself very lucky to have been able to read an advance copy of this book - thank you Penguin Random House for making that happen!

Think back to when you were little and a new book in a series you loved (most people insert Harry Potter here) was due out, think of the excitement, the anticipation, the thrill of holding that volume in your hands. That is how I felt holding this book. And that feeling was rewarded tenfold.

Pullman had worried me a little with La Belle Sauvage... He didn't see ...more

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Feb 12, 2020 Simon Clark rated it it was amazing

Definitely the most mature of Pullman's works involving daemons - the two trilogies of His Dark Materials and The Book of Dust - The Secret Commonwealth remarkably responds to the main criticisms of the previous book in the series in a way that is entirely consistent with the story. The book carries on the story of La Belle Sauvage but with the interlude of Lyra's adventures in His Dark Materials, and we now find her as an undergraduate at Oxford while Malcolm is an academic and - dashingly - a Definitely the most mature of Pullman's works involving daemons - the two trilogies of His Dark Materials and The Book of Dust - The Secret Commonwealth remarkably responds to the main criticisms of the previous book in the series in a way that is entirely consistent with the story. The book carries on the story of La Belle Sauvage but with the interlude of Lyra's adventures in His Dark Materials, and we now find her as an undergraduate at Oxford while Malcolm is an academic and - dashingly - a capable secret agent for Oakley Street. The main hook of the story is that the Magisterium - seemingly (confusingly?) unaffected by The Authority blowing away in the wind - has its sinister eyes set of the rose oil trade in the east, while Pantalaimon witnesses a murder in Oxford that sets events in motion.

Pullman is undoubtedly a wonderful author with a particular talent for worldbuilding and word-smithing, but the previous book was let down for me by what I perceived to be a lacklustre second half, and in particular a deepening dive into the fantastical. For a series that contains many fantastical creatures and events, there has always been a sense of 'groundingness', that things described were rational and could be explained. By the tail end of the events of the great flood however, this connection to reality became completely severed and the plot floated through in a dream-like state. What is remarkable about The Secret Commonwealth is that its entire premise - connected to the titular commonwealth - is the nature of rationality versus the fantastical, and how belief shapes reality. It was almost as if Pullman was responding to the criticisms of the previous volume, or, perhaps more likely, he fully intended to elicit a reaction similar to mine from adult readers who grew up reading His Dark Materials when reading La Belle Sauvage and then to make them see the folly of their ways by comparing them to Lyra's ardent rationalism. It's a quite brilliant bit of meta-gaming the audience, and utterly enthralled this particular now-grown-up.
Apart from this the story is fantastically interesting, taking Lyra and Pantalaimon across Europe and the near East, though not together... We are introduced to a real treat of world-deepening, and between both the 'real' realpolitik and action and the fantasy elements both witnessed and described the book is never less than enthralling. Standing on its own it doesn't pack quite the same wallop as The Amber Spyglass but I think it could be my favourite book set in this universe, and it certainly has me on the edge of my armchair for the final volume. I loved this book, and cannot wait to find out how the story ends. ...more

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Dec 06, 2019 Bradley rated it it was amazing

Shelves: fantasy, 2019-shelf

Something strange just happened.

After having just read La Belle Sauvage and also having just read the original His Dark Materials trilogy (for the second time, but again, recently), I have come to the conclusion that this might be my favorite of all five books.

Weird, right?

I mean, I liked the original trilogy well enough but I never went gaga over it. Maybe it was about the problem of agency. Or perhaps it was a few other issues. But I never disliked all the wonderful pan-religiosity, the many Something strange just happened.

After having just read La Belle Sauvage and also having just read the original His Dark Materials trilogy (for the second time, but again, recently), I have come to the conclusion that this might be my favorite of all five books.

Weird, right?

I mean, I liked the original trilogy well enough but I never went gaga over it. Maybe it was about the problem of agency. Or perhaps it was a few other issues. But I never disliked all the wonderful pan-religiosity, the many subversions, references, and the overall worldbuilding.

And then the first Book of Dust came along and while I thought the whole quest was somewhat interesting, it never lived up to the whole promise of the rest. I mean, if you can sum up the entire damn book in a single sentence and the sentence bores you, you know you have a problem.

So what happened here? All of a sudden we have a Lyra 7 years after the events of HDM and she's a young woman with a problem. A meme problem. A mental health problem. She's having issues with Pan and Pan is having (I rather think,) more issues with her. I'm on Pan's side here. Lyra's behaving abominably.

That being said, Pullman has pulled off a much more complicated tale than the first book, adding a real good reason FOR the first book, giving us many new reasons why Lyra's world is falling apart while also making a huge commentary on Europe's current issues in general. The worldbuilding is obviously commentary. But it's GOOD commentary.

Add all the spycraft, the mystery, the book-long chase and the quest that seems to revolve around separated Daemons, and all of a sudden, the Big Picture finally got interesting again. I missed that in the first book. A lot. In fact, if it wasn't for the need for the investment in a few certain characters in THIS book, I might say... skip the first book. Just skip it. The Lyra baby survives the flood and gets Sanctuary. Move on.

But seen in this next book's light, I have to admit it all comes together rather nicely. Even if there is a 20 year gap. At least Pullman is able to pull off some rip-roaring good tales full of episodic action, great timing, and a million interesting characters. I never got bored with this one at all.

Just a warning, tho:

CLIFFHANGER. ...more

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Oct 28, 2019 Celeste rated it really liked it

Shelves: speculative, young-adult, fantasy, portal-fantasy

Pullman has created something so special with Lyra’s world and the mythos of other worlds he set up in the original His Dark Materials trilogy. La Belle Sauvage, the first installment of this spin-off trilogy, took us back to Lyra’s beginning, giving up the wild story of her infancy and the two children who rescued her. This second installment fast forwards to years after the events of the original trilogy, when Lyra is grown, having just tipped over the cusp of adulthood. The final events of th Pullman has created something so special with Lyra’s world and the mythos of other worlds he set up in the original His Dark Materials trilogy. La Belle Sauvage, the first installment of this spin-off trilogy, took us back to Lyra’s beginning, giving up the wild story of her infancy and the two children who rescued her. This second installment fast forwards to years after the events of the original trilogy, when Lyra is grown, having just tipped over the cusp of adulthood. The final events of that first trilogy haunt her still, but she is convincing herself more and more that those events aren’t quite true. As she falls into the trap of rationality Pantalaimon, her dæmon, rebels against her loss of imagination. From there, the plot goes wild.

Seeing Lyra as an adult was both thrilling and heartbreaking. She’s been through so much by this point, but she’s begun to lose the ferocity and uniqueness that made her so compelling in His Dark Materials. Adult Lyra seems like a pale imitation of childhood Lyra, and Pan is incredibly upset about the change. Seeing the two of them at odds and at each other’s throats is incredibly uncomfortable. Dæmons are like the outward expression of a person’s soul, and so we can see that Lyra’s quarreling with Pan is at its core a level of self-hatred that is hard to stomach. The journeys taken in this book are made all the more poignant for it.

Something that I really love about this book is the multitude of plot lines happening simultaneously but coming across as spokes in the same story instead of separate stories that the reader hopes will come together. The jump from one plot to the next never felt jarring, but like a natural progression in the overarching story. Besides Lyra’s and Pan’s perspectives, we also get to see a lot of the story from Malcolm’s point of view, and a small bit from Alice’s, as well. Unlike La Belle Sauvage, which could technically be read without having first read His Dark Materials, The Secret Commonwealth would be incredibly confusing for readers who have not read both the first trilogy and La Belle Sauvage. The preceding four books are absolutely essential to both the understanding and enjoyment of this book.

My absolute favorite element of The Secret Commonwealth is the expansion of knowledge we’re given regarding dæmons. Strangely, this new information makes the dæmons more mysterious instead of less. There isn’t really any of this new knowledge that I can share in a review without somehow spoiling the plot, but it was all totally fascinating. The story also spanned much of Lyra’s world that we hadn’t seen up to this point, and it was interesting to see how it was eerily similar and radically different from our own world. We see how prejudice and fear of anyone who is different plague Lyra’s world as much as our own, and how religion so often inflames these prejudices instead of abating them.

I was completely enthralled by The Secret Commonwealth, but the ending felt so abrupt that it actually shocked me and left me a little angry. I felt cheated out of witnessing something that the entire novel had been building toward. While I am sure it happened, it did so off screen so to speak. Honestly, I frantically flipped back, hoping I had accidentally skipped a few pages. No such luck. Had I known how jarring I would find the ending I would’ve waited to read it until closer to the still unknown publication date of the final installment before reading The Secret Commonwealth.

Pullman wrote something wonderful in The Secret Commonwealth, despite the abrupt ending. Waiting for the final installment is going to be painful, but I have no doubt that it’ll be worth the wait. Pullman has yet to disappoint me, and I can’t wait to see how the phase of Lyra’s story ends.

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Sep 24, 2020 Sara rated it liked it

This is a long, and in many ways, a very strange book. For context, I am a HUGE fan of the original trilogy and grew up reading and rereading the books. Will and Lyra are two of my all time favorite book characters so I am definitely biased toward this story.

There were quite a few bits of this that I enjoyed and quite a few bits that I didn't. A lot of characters were introduced in this installment but not a lot actually happened.
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Oct 14, 2019 Daniela rated it really liked it

To review this book is an arduous task. I definitely had a few moments when I was just about to set it down and tell myself, no, no, I can’t. I did muddle through and was greatly rewarded. This second instalment of the Book of Dust series, a kind-of-but-not-really sequel to His Dark Materials, is a better book than the first in terms of plot and character development – because there is actual character development. Lyra, whom we leave at 13 in HDM, now returns as a young woman embroiled in the k ...more

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Oct 12, 2019 Rosalind rated it liked it · review of another edition

It's not been a good year for the roses. It's bad enough that the perfume industry is on its knees, but when the steward of Jordan College has to make do with cheap rosewater for the fingerbowls you know the world's in trouble.

The Book of Dust must be one of the most eagerly-awaited literary projects ever. It's been promised for sixteen years now, and those who hunted between the lines of that curious 2004 artefact, Lyra's Oxford, could have a reasonable guess at where it might be going, so hope It's not been a good year for the roses. It's bad enough that the perfume industry is on its knees, but when the steward of Jordan College has to make do with cheap rosewater for the fingerbowls you know the world's in trouble.

The Book of Dust must be one of the most eagerly-awaited literary projects ever. It's been promised for sixteen years now, and those who hunted between the lines of that curious 2004 artefact, Lyra's Oxford, could have a reasonable guess at where it might be going, so hopes have been high. The first episode, La Belle Sauvage, came off very well with its odd mix of gritty intrigue and Lewis Carroll-like Phantasy contrasting nicely to lead us into the main course. But oh dear, the main course is a bit of a bloated mess.

It's not that, overall, it's not an enjoyable read. It is. But it's also very baggy, rather hesitant in places, inconsistent in its style. It feels like a book that was hard to write. It doesn't have the sure-footedness of The Amber Spyglass, which left me reeling for a week when I finished it. It doesn't seem to know whether it's addressed to a new audience of younger teenagers or to the original audience for His Dark Materials, now grown up and even perhaps approaching middle-age. There are some very dark passages including one particularly graphic scene which, while brilliantly written, I would be very wary of having my 12-year-old daughter read for fear of scaring her shitless. There are passages of sheer poetry. I think Philip Pullman secretly wants to write Le Carré-like thrillers or gritty police procedurals; if he did I'm sure they would be very good. Then again there are other stretches of great clunkiness which break the flow while the narrative signposts links back to the earlier work, relevant or not. We can remember, Phil, we can remember, but if you want to remind us, do it a bit more subtly. Something else too; His Dark Materials had a message which was seamlessly wrapped in the narrative. This new episode feels like a lecture, and a hectoring one at that. Look, the world of the imagination is fine, but there's nothing wrong with writing novels that deconstruct and challenge expectations, or advancing minimalist philosophical notions. They are not to be taken as gospel, they are no more solid than the marsh spirits and faeries that make up the Secret Commonwealth. They are to be disputed - Lyra, we are told, is good at disputing philosophical ideas but we are never shoiwn her in action. In fact wbat a lot of my discomfort with this book comes down to is too much telling and not enough showing.

It all begins with a murder. Which is good. Well no, it begins with Lyra being studious, scratching away at her dissertation in her college room while Pantalaimon the dæmon sprawls on the windowledge, bored and yearning for adventure. And there's the hook; Lyra and Pan have fallen out, they are barely on speaking terms. Meaning of course that Lyra is ill at ease with herself. Actually I liked this clever, feisty, self-sufficient Lyra who drinks pints and has passionate flings with no commitment. That's as it should be; at the end of The Amber Spyglass she was tasked with building the Republic of Heaven in her own world. Most important, she really needed to move on from Will, who isn't coming back (if he does in part three I will feel seriously short-changed). Not forget him, but not mope either. There's something rather creepy about a twenty-year-old woman still carrying a torch for her childhood sweetheart and I was glad that pitfall was avoided. Or I was at first. After those first few chapters we discover that scarcely a day goes by without her thinking of Will. Oh dear, Not good. Not healthy. Not helpful.

So it goes, so it goes. The Magisterium is on Lyra's case again and the scheming Big Bad just happens to be... No, I won't spoil it, it's all too pat. Her life is in danger and that's the signal for a rehash of old friends - a cruise with the Gyptians, the alethiometer (which appears to have previously unsuspected powers) - and an incident-filled journey across Europe and the Levant (Lyra and estranged Pan travelling by different routes) pursued by the rather creepy, mild-mannered Don turned man of action Malcolm Polstead towards a reunification and reconciliation that...

...Oh dear. After 700 pages that could usefully be cut by a third, its 'to be continued'. No doubt I'll read the continuation, because I know Philip Pullman can do better than this. And I'm still waiting to see why the SS Zenobia leaves Famagusta on Wednesday 30 April and arrives Latakia in Friday 1 May. ...more

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Oct 17, 2019 Sarah Holton rated it it was ok · review of another edition

Shelves: av-libby-audio, 2019

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. CW: for rape, gross power dynamics between love interests, suicide, Spoilers.

Let me just say that I love His Dark Materials. That trilogy was formidable in shaping me. I still reread it at least every 2 or so years and enjoy it just as much with each new reading. (Shout out to the audio version!) and I really enjoyed La Belle Sauvage also. I had a few quibbles but nothing that would keep me from adding it to the biannual reread. But I could barely finish The Secret Commonwealth.
First off this CW: for rape, gross power dynamics between love interests, suicide, Spoilers.

Let me just say that I love His Dark Materials. That trilogy was formidable in shaping me. I still reread it at least every 2 or so years and enjoy it just as much with each new reading. (Shout out to the audio version!) and I really enjoyed La Belle Sauvage also. I had a few quibbles but nothing that would keep me from adding it to the biannual reread. But I could barely finish The Secret Commonwealth.
First off this is not a middle grade novel. It is well into YA territory and didn’t make the jump very well either. I am fine with sex and violence and cussing. I mostly read adult novels and am also a big fan of having series grow in maturity with their characters over time. But this didn’t do a gradual growth along with the characters like Harry Potter did. This did a big jump from 11 year olds who survive a big flood journey (although with a completely unnecessary but not super graphic rape scene) to adults who watch someone blow their brains out (including vivid details of blood splatter) and a very graphic and completely unnecessary rape scene. This book (and La Belle Sauvage too) could have been kept as a middle grade and not lost any of the story. Hell it probably would have been better for it.

The story itself felt all over the place. The pacing was disjointed and I just felt pulled in a bunch of different directions with no real rhythm to it. It leans much more political intrigue and much less fantastical and feels weaker for it. It felt like Pullman had a big list of things he was mad about and tried to figure out a way to get them all included. Which is fine! Part of why I love fantasy is how it used the fantastic as a metaphor for real world issues! I have read many books where this works! But it really doesn’t here. It just feels preachy and without a pulse. This needed a heavier hand editing. What even is the plot? So many characters and ideas introduced and then left behind. There are so many decisions that characters make that just dont really make any sense except that Pullman is trying to Make A Point.

I had a really hard time caring about characters. They all felt so flat. This feeling is intensified because we have spent so much time with these same characters in previous stories only to completely change the fundamentals of the characters we know and love. The only explanation we are given for this is that ‘well 20 years has past so of course they have grown and changed.’ Its very frustrating.
Lyra for example. I adore preteen Lyra. She is spunky and headstrong and is confident in herself. 20 year old Lyra does not critically think for herself, is anxiety-ridden, and very unsure. That is something I can totally relate to! But you have to give me a bridge to how she got there! Lyra is like a completely different person and it is jarring, especially with the timeline jumping between the HDM trilogy and in The Book of Dust trilogy. I wish The Secret Commonwealth had a chapter or two at the beginning that bridged the time gap between the end of HDMs and The Secret Commonwealth. One that touched on how Pan and Lyra dealt with the trauma of all they had been through, including separating. That would help us see how Lyra got to where she is mentally - using pure reason as a trauma defense mechanism. (Are there no therapists in this world??) As someone with bad anxiety, I get it and I want to read about one of my favorite characters struggle with this balance. especially if you throw in academia into the mix. But we dont really even get that satisfactorily explored. I would be super into exploring Lyra’s attempt to balance out the ‘adult’ tendencies of pure logic and skepticism with her ‘child-like’ tendencies of thinking outside the box and being headstrong and energetic. But again that doesn’t really happen. Lyra has a few overly verbose conversations with herself that reminded me of some mind-numbingly boring Tinder dates with dudes who considered themselves philosophers but really just liked to hear themselves talk. Its not that she is unlike-able. Unlikable is fine. Its just that I am not invested in her as a character, even though 11 year old Lyra is one of my favorite characters ever.
And its not just seeing how Lyra got to where she was but how Pan did also. His whole ‘I am leaving to search for your imagination’ thing felt ridiculous. Its as if Pan thinks that Lyra’s imagination is a solid thing that could be kept in a box and was physically stolen. Are you still 8 years old Pan? I could see Pan saying “I’m leaving until you get your imagination back” as a way to say “I am leaving until you think on things and get right with yourself” but thats not how it comes off. Pan is going on a quest to find a solid thing and it just feels like a cheap plot device to separate the two.
Another character that didn’t make the transition very well is Malcolm. He was great in La Belle Sauvage! And now he feels older than his early 30’s and is made super creepy by his being romantically in love with Lyra since forever. He has know her since a baby. He was in love with her when he was HER TEACHER in his mid twenty’s and she in her mid teens. THAT IS GROSS. And to try to excuse that by having another female character say that it is fine because they are both adults now, psh, I call bullshit. Its not just about what is legal or not, but where you are in life experiences. Plus the only real interactions we are told that Malcom has with Lyra is when he was trying to teach her when she was 15 and that she was a little shit and he was a boring old teacher. If he was ‘in love’ with her then, it certainly wasnt because they shared some deep common bond. It would have had to been that he was physically attracted to her and was in love with the idea of her. You can not truly be in love with a person if you dont actually know the person. But we are supposed to believe that it is pure love because Malcolm is a Nice Guy. Again this is just so gross. Lyra is not interested in Malcolm, doesn’t even like him as a person. Sees him as an old professor, that she just doesn’t particularly click with. Then she finds out that he knew and saved her as a baby, and is forced to see him in a new light. That’s all fine and well, but after that one storytelling evening, we are supposed to believe that Lyra is going to fall in love with him after having only that one interaction?? Lyra keeps having conversations with older women who suggest that one can fake being in love with someone, that you can learn to love someone, that friendship can turn into romantic love if given enough time and you try. It feels so dang forced. His Dark Materials trilogy already explored the whole Adam and Eve allegory, did we really need to attempt to do it again?
And the whole ancient epic poem about the lovers fighting her uncle and searching for magical roses, was just way to on the nose. Like really??? Did it have to fit so dang perfect? I would not have rolled my eyes nearly so hard if Mal had tried to grasp at straws to find similarities and Aster called him out on it.

Aside from the all-over-the-place storytelling I have a really big problem with Pullman’s handling of women. I’ve already talked about the gross Mal/Lyra thing. There is completely unnecessary conversation that just shits all over sex workers for no reason. Like literally, there is zero reason for this to be included. There is a section that hits upon how the deamon’s gender is always the opposite of the person. I was really disappointed (but ultimately not surprised) that this wasnt used as an opportunity to break out of the hetero-norm instead of reinforcing it. And then my biggest problem - graphic is unnecessary rape scenes.
There is really no reason for Lyra to get raped. Why is this here Pullman?? To make this book a bit edgier so as not to be middle grade? To show the hardships that Lyra had to go through to find her daemon? Why do women always have to get raped?? And when she is ‘safe’, her first though is to blame her rape on Pan? Because if he had never left then she would never have been on that training car with those soldiers and gotten raped. What?? This story misses absolutely nothing if the whole dang scene had been deleted. (Same with the rape scene from La Belle Sauvage. I am still mad about it).

I am just so frustrated. I hate to leave a series unfinished, but I dont know if I will make time to read the final book in the trilogy. Life is too short to read books you dont enjoy.

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Oct 20, 2019 Peter Boyle rated it liked it

Hmmm... As a big fan of His Dark Materials, The Secret Commonwealth was one of my most anticipated books of the year. So three stars might seem a little negative, but I will explain.

First, a quick summary. These events take place twenty years after La Belle Sauvage. Lyra is now a young woman studying at Oxford, but we soon realise that she is deeply unhappy. She and her daemon Pantalaimon cannot stop arguing and it's tearing both of them apart. Lyra has become fascinated by two books espousing h Hmmm... As a big fan of His Dark Materials, The Secret Commonwealth was one of my most anticipated books of the year. So three stars might seem a little negative, but I will explain.

First, a quick summary. These events take place twenty years after La Belle Sauvage. Lyra is now a young woman studying at Oxford, but we soon realise that she is deeply unhappy. She and her daemon Pantalaimon cannot stop arguing and it's tearing both of them apart. Lyra has become fascinated by two books espousing hyperrational thought, and Pan is horrified by this, claiming she has abandoned all use of her wonderful imagination. On a solitary late night excursion, Pan witnesses a murder. It seems to be related to the emergence of a rose in Central Asia that bestows mysterious special powers. In her efforts to investigate, Lyra gets involved with a secret agency to which Malcolm Polstead belongs. Their adventure will send them on separate journeys across Europe into Asia, but they will have to reckon with the dark forces of the Magisterium, and a dangerous young man by the name of Bonneville.

Once again, Pullman manages to frame his story with the anxieties of the world we currently live in. Terrorism, the refugee crisis, the growth of right wing authoritarianism - these subjects are all skilfully woven into the plot. And of course he takes many swipes at organised religion, a target that readers of His Dark Materials will be quite accustomed to.

However, my main problem is this: for a lot of the book, the stakes don't feel as high as they normally do in Lyra's world. Yes the fact that she and her beloved Pan have split up is awful, but it's not as gripping as her fight to save humankind as an eleven-year-old. The importance of the rose oil is quite muddled - it's only in the second half of the novel that this aspect becomes coherent. Also one character being in love with another just feels plain wrong (view spoiler)

The story really picks up steam when Lyra leaves Oxford. Once again, she is forced to use her wits and that trusty imagination to escape several perilous situations. Also, it helps that the consequences of the battle for rose oil become clearer, along with the intentions of the villains. It is a pleasure to see these familiar characters at a later stage in their lives, tackling a whole new set of problems. It's a world that never fails to enthrall and surprise, with one of the most resourceful heroines you are likely to meet. Though I had a few problems with this book, I am absolutely eager to read the next installment. ...more

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Jan 18, 2018 Shima rated it really liked it

I was excited about La Bella Sauvage AND its sequel, which I imagined would follow Malcum's adventures.
But a book with (relatively) grown-up Lyra, set AFTER the original trilogy?
It's not the stuff dreams are made of, but the stuff I never even dared dream of.

Update after my dreams came true:

So, I can confirm that this book, is in fact real. I have held it in my hand. I have read it with my own eyes (In fact, it's the first book in 15 years that I've read with my very own eyes, and that was a c ...more

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Nov 20, 2019 Kitty G Books rated it really liked it

I finished this one on audiobook just now, and I think the narrator of this story did a brilliant job bringing everything to life. I love the HDM series from when I was a child, and still love it as an adult when I re-read it about a year or so ago. The first book in this series left me a cooler than the HDM series, but I still enjoyed the adventure even though in that one Lyra is just a baby. In this story we have skipped forward by 20 years so we're now beyond the ending of HDM and I loved get I finished this one on audiobook just now, and I think the narrator of this story did a brilliant job bringing everything to life. I love the HDM series from when I was a child, and still love it as an adult when I re-read it about a year or so ago. The first book in this series left me a cooler than the HDM series, but I still enjoyed the adventure even though in that one Lyra is just a baby. In this story we have skipped forward by 20 years so we're now beyond the ending of HDM and I loved getting the chance to go back and see what's become of Lyra and her world.

I think in this series Pullman sets up a much more political and international landscape for the characters. In the HDM series we see a young girl filled with a sense of adventure and it's magic and mayhem throughout, in the BoD series we're seeing a young lady who has come out the other side of the adventure having lost a lot of herself, her loves, and sacrificed much. She's not the same child she was, and yet, there are still flashes back to the Lyra we love.

Pan and Lyra have a really tough relationship in this story and as a reader who loved their relationship before it's hard to see them have to fight and have a strain on everything. They really have a lot of communication issues and struggles, and at first this is so disheartening as a reader. I do think that as the story goes on we get to know their real feeling more and I see the love that's still buried deep, but there are some things that happen in this story which really baffled me and which I am shocked to see Pan agree to and Lyra to learn of.

We also follow Malcolm's story as he's on an adventure to find Lyra and also to find out more about the Rosewater mystery which seems to be impacting a lot of the investigations he's involved with. Malcolm is 11 years senior to Lyra and was the real hero of book 1 in this series, but he's much more background here and I wasn't too sure what I made of his characters as he seemed to be a little too much like a follower for my liking.

The adventure of this book is all about self-discovery and confrontation. Lyra and Pan must both face some very hard realities about what they have been through and how it left them feeling. There's a lot of hatred and resentment towards themselves and it leaves the story with a sense of loss and sadness which is hard to read. There's also an attempted rape in this book and that shows the bitter, twisted nature of some of the individuals, and also that this is not a kid's story any more, it's moved on to darker areas and more morally grey questions.

On the whole I think it's a very enticing read and one I found hard to stop listening to. I definitely think it's an advancement on the adventure of the first series, but it's also a tougher read too. I liked it a lot and I am super intrigued for book 3 now because there's a lot of craziness at the end of this book. 4*s from me. ...more

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Oct 06, 2019 Nils Jepson rated it really liked it

I'm exhausted!! Probably compared to some of y'all I'm slow going but this book was a long, arborous, not always entertaining journey!! And I think that might've been the point!!

I worked my fucking way through The Secret Commonwealth. I know why Philip Pullman did what he did I think but god damn it got to be kind of hard sometimes. This really was not a kids book. I don't even know if it was a YA book! I saw a review or something before talking about how this book was being marketed to adults a I'm exhausted!! Probably compared to some of y'all I'm slow going but this book was a long, arborous, not always entertaining journey!! And I think that might've been the point!!

I worked my fucking way through The Secret Commonwealth. I know why Philip Pullman did what he did I think but god damn it got to be kind of hard sometimes. This really was not a kids book. I don't even know if it was a YA book! I saw a review or something before talking about how this book was being marketed to adults and i was like ok, yeah, like how the Harry Potter books were PG 13 after Goblet of Fire but no! It's not just the violence that makes The Secret Commonwealth adult. It's the politics and the darkness and the rape and the trauma of childhood and the fucking philosophical nihilisms of a depressed 20 year old girl.

I love Lyra. I might've loved her even more after this. But I couldn't help but keep getting overwhelmed with sadness when I thought about what had happened to her since the Amber Spyglass. Maybe I was mourning my own lost of childhood and imagination. Or not. But damn Lyra's going through shit. It was hard to read about her questioning the validity of imagination and the North and her experiences in the other worlds. Sometimes it felt like the first three books were invalidated because Lyra herself was invalidating them. It was heartbreaking and really hard to read.

Yet I think that was the point! Lyra's world has lost all of its magic, adventure, fun, and heart because Lyra has lost all of those things. Her world just looks like ours now, Daemons aside (but then again, she lost her Daemon so maybe not aside)! It's in political upheaval, hegemonies are tightening, big pharma has a huge monopoly, refugees are fleeing places destabilized from western imperialism and capitalism, and young people are drowning in their own ideologies.

I kept waiting for something fantastical or insane or heart-warming to happen and it just didn't. Sure, there was a quest and a mystery involving desert roses and a haunted village but none of these things were "fun" or "imaginary", they just were. The quest just sort of rolled out, city after city, step by step and I was like okay?? When is Lyra going to meet a one eyed pirate elf or something?? and she never did!

HDM was so fantastical and moral and life-affirming (honestly those 3 books, the 3rd ones especially, shaped so much of my belief system) that I would often cry because I believed in what I was reading. There was nothing really to believe here. It reflects the mind of a lost girl, lost to reason and away from any sort of joy in living. This book reflected this loss and it was hard to read, if necessary.

Yet, honestly, our Lyra was still there and that might've been the best part. Under all of her struggles and questions and wishy-washy declarations, she's still there. my favorite scene of the book is one where she just sits on a hotel room balcony in Istanbul and watches the people at the cafe below her, just live. nothing else happens — no assasin or crazy priest come to try to kill her, no witch, no ghost, no charming cowboy. she just watches people and, slowly, starts to feel like herself again.\

all in all, this book is frustrating. but i trust pullman. i think he wants us to feel mad and betrayed. he wants us to feel hollow. this, in itself, might be the journey of the "Book of Dust." A journey away from ideological totality and towards joy. Joy that doesn't necessarily have to come from anything fantastical but can sprout from the ordinary. from a small cafe. from a man giving a child a deck of cards. to a secretary finally standing up for herself.

the secret commonwealth, a metaphor (even named a metaphor in the book) is realized in the faerieis and goblins and jacky lanters in the book. but i think pullman, in real life, is trying to say that the secret commonwealth is nothing more than the joy that comes from connection. from life and sexuality. this book is an example of what happens when that joy goes missing. like lyra, we feel hollow and sad and alone. but, like lyra towards the end of the book, no matter how broken or lost or hollow we are, we can make our way back.

we'll just need a third book to get there. i can't wait to see what happens. ...more

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Aug 31, 2019 adventuresinabookshop Jo R rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

I received an advance copy of The Secret Commonwealth from Penguin Random House - as a massive fan of Philip Pullman this was one of the greatest moments of my bookselling career so far.

When you love a series of books so much it can be a little daunting to read a new prequel or sequel in case it doesn’t live up to your expectations and ends up tainting the rest of the series for you. So although I couldn’t wait to read it, I was also a little apprehensive. I needn’t have worried.

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