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Sokrates’in Savunması -Euthyphron, Apologia, Kriton, Phaidon-

Platon (MÖ yaklaşık 428-MÖ yaklaşık 348): Bugünkü üniversitenin atası sayılan Akademia’nın kurucusu ve hocası Sokrates’i konuşturduğu diyaloglarla felsefeyi yazıya en iyi aktarmış ustalardan biridir. Bu kitapta birbirini tamamlayan dört diyalog yer almaktadır. İlk diyalog olan Euthyphron’da yargılanışının öncesi
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Paperback, 222 pages
Published 2012 by Türkiye İş Bankası Kültür Yayınları (first published -399)
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Don Whether Socrates is a respectable person or not depends on how much you think a person should value their own life. In Socrates' case, he values truth…moreWhether Socrates is a respectable person or not depends on how much you think a person should value their own life. In Socrates' case, he values truth and virtues more than his own life, this can be seen as foolish by some. The other point people may or may not respect Socrates is that he teaches without taking fees, he thinks that taking fees is the equivalent to selling knowledge just like how prostitutes sell their body; it is also a reason why he lived poorly and cannot even afford a good amount of "bail" when he was deciding his own verdict.

About his arguments, the way that he proves himself innocent is to first reframe. He points out that the accusers are trained orators and he is not, he is also not accustomed to the court since he's never been accused before, but he has a lot of eye witness that could testify his good characters.
The second characteristic of his argument is to build it up from assumptions that even his accusers can agree on. For example, Socrates was accused of corrupting the young. The basic gist of his argument is as following: 1. If I mislead the youth 2. The youth acts in a bad way 3. The youth will harm those around him 4. Why would I want to harm myself? 5. Even if I want to, the youth would later realise I have deceived them and say so 6. List out many examples of those who don't agree.
Are they good arguments or bad arguments? I think it is a good argument in the sense that you build an argument with a premise that not even your accuser can refuse, that is a powerful way to argue. However, whether or not that argument is foolproof is another question.(less)
Manuel-Antonio Monteagudo Gauvrit it is a beautiful text, and easy to read to this day. I highly recommend it!

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Manny
[Original review, Jan 11 2015]

Apology of Charlie Hebdo

To the Americans, who rule the world by brute military and economic force, while claiming they're doing it for our own good: fuck off.

To the Russians, who pretend they're not just the same as the Americans, except militarily weaker and less honest: fuck off.

To the Israelis, who take advantage of their American backers to enslave and torture the Palestinians: fuck off.

To the Muslims, who react to the exploitation and torture inflicted on them
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Riku Sayuj

Double Jeopardy

“Be sure that if you kill the sort of man I say I am, you will not harm me more than yourselves.”

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“On the other hand, if I say that it is the greatest good for a man to discuss virtue every day, testing themselves and others — for the unexamined life is not worth living for men, you will believe me even less.”

Socrates, of The Apology is an eloquent figure who is an unrivaled guide to the good life – the thoughtful life, and he is as relevant today as he was in ancient At
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Sean Barrs
“Socrates is guilty of busying himself with research into what’s beneath the earth and in the heaven and making the weaker argument the stronger and teaching the same things to others”

So Socrates is guilty of expanding his mind and teaching his discoveries to his students. Such a terrible man isn’t he, to try to learn more about the world and the existence of mankind? Is this cause of execution, free thinking and questioning the doctrines fed to us? Plato himself was next to be accused; thus
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booklady
Sep 27, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: biography, 2017
This little ‘book’, a mere conversation actually, is the source of so many excellent quotes as to be indispensable to our Western heritage. I was reading a few to my dear husband the other night and he wanted me to send them to him. Sadly, we—as a society—want to expunge this type of literature from our children’s education because it was written by ‘dead white men’.

Oh foolish people! But then, that is also what Socrates died for—men’s fear of the Truth. It was the same back in Athens when he di
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Roy Lotz
This is perhaps the most iconic of Plato’s works, the closest thing that philosophy has to a Sermon on the Mount. And just as with our Biblical narratives, the dialogue presents a historical difficulty. To what extent is this speech fact, and to what extent invention? The only other record we have of the trial is from Xenophon, who wasn’t even there. Plato was there—or at least he asserts that he was—and yet it beggars belief that the young, would-be amanuensis could retain the entire speech in ...more
Alan
Feb 04, 2021 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
“Well, gentlemen, for the sake of a very small gain in time you are going to earn the reputation – and the blame from those who wish to disparage our city – of having put Socrates to death.”

It is quite normal, I think, to read the Apology and feel as though Socrates has blundered horribly in judgment – he has said the very things that will drive him to the grave. After hearing of the declaration of the Oracle of Delphi that there is no one wiser than him, he has taken it upon himself to ensure t
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Jin
Jan 29, 2021 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I always wonder about the skills of these highly intellectual, talented people of Ancient times. It's a delight to read Socrates' legal defence and you can feel his charisma through the words. Such a shame that there are only few (if at all) who can compete on his level of logic, ethos and pathos. And it's such a shame never to be able to witness a "performance" of his speech since the performance itself with its gesture and voice also has a huge impact on the audience. ...more
Mike W
Oct 08, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is one of the best works of philosophy or literature ever written. It is Plato's version of Socrates's defense at his trial. The word "apology" here means defense. Socrates is on trial for his life for blasphemy and for corrupting the youth of Athens. He very easily leads his primary accuser, Meletus, into contradictions. And he tries to explain to the jury and to the spectators how it is that he gained a reputation as a wise man among some, and a villain among others. One of Socrates's adm ...more
Manny
Celebrity Death Match Special: Plato versus Isaac Asimov, part 4 (continued from here)

[A spaceship en route from Trantor to Earth. SOCRATES and R. DANEEL OLIVAW]

SOCRATES: Hadn't we already said goodbye?

OLIVAW: Forgive me, Socrates. I had forgotten that you were going back to a death sentence.

SOCRATES: It is easy to forget such details.

OLIVAW: I am truly sorry, Socrates. Indeed, I am surprised that my First Law module permitted me to do it. But you are just so... so...

SOCRATES: Irritating?

OLIVA
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leynes
Dec 05, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
After four years, I finally managed to reread this thing, and I'm glad that I did. It really goes to show that not all of my remaining brain cells have died during this lockdown, especially after having exclusively read old YA trilogies and Batman comics. (Yep, I'm living my best life currently.)

Anyways, Socrates' Defence (or: The Apology of Socrates as it is more commonly known) was written by Plato and is a Socratic dialogue of the speech of legal self-defence which Socrates spoke at his tria
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Matthew Ted
Reviewing this alone as well as I work my way through Plato's first "tetralogy" (Euthyphro, Apology (Socrates' Defence), Crito, Phaedo). Though the thoughts in Euthyphro are interesting it is ultimately unsatisfying as a dialogue. Apology, as it is titled in my Tredennick and Tarrant translation, is far more satisifying to read, but with only a single speaker: Socrates. He fails in the attempt to defend himself against charges set against him. I'll write more about it in my final review of the w ...more
Brad Lyerla
Dec 01, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I read the APOLOGY this week in THE TRIAL AND DEATH OF SOCRATES: FOUR DIALOGUES published by Dover. The translator is Benjamin Jowett.

APOLOGY is Plato's re-creation of Socrates' summation in his own defense against the indictment that he corrupted the youth of Athens with blasphemous philosophical teachings. It is fascinating as much for the defiant and mocking tone that Socrates adopts -- certainly knowing that it would seal his fate -- as it is for its demonstration of rhetorical logic. In st
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Liz Janet
Plato and I are not buddies. I find him interesting, but also think of him as a lunatic grandpa with unrealistic views of the world. Therefore, he is not my favourite old Greek man to read, but this is his best. This is Socrates “apology” for what he did. Basically, Socrates invented philosophy, and then he was killed for it. I mean, they did not just kill him like they did Hypathia, he had a “proper trial” and all. Please, read the entire work instead of the short snippet, reading it in full ha ...more
David Sarkies
Sep 01, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Everybody
Recommended to David by: David Hester
Shelves: philosophy
In defense of philosophy
1 September 2012

These days when we think of the word apology we usually connect it with us saying sorry for something that we have done wrong, however that is not necessarily the origin of the word. Christianity has a field of study known as apologetics, and once again, this is not necessarily saying sorry for the many evils deeds that have been committed under the name of Christianity but rather putting up a defense against attacks that are generally levelled against th
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Capsguy
Mar 24, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: greek
Not even your Socratic arguing could save you. Such a pity that we still haven't changed, not in all of these thousands of years. Even though he knew he was doomed, he still did not submit and whimper like a coward, begging for mercy. When you are outside the grasp of power, no matter how well you try to persuade those to look into the right direction, if they, for their own gains are against it, you're screwed.

I don't know if I could do the same, be presented with life (even thought I'd be nea
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Miguel
Aug 20, 2021 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy, classics
What would you do if you someday get falsely accused?

As a psychologist, I can say that when you know someone is guilty, that allows you to exclusively look for guilty behavior.
The knowledge of outcome highlights the imperatives while skipping away non-essentials in someone's behavior.
The reason for this is because the evidence that the judge or lawyer has to scrutinize is reduced when dealing with innocent subjects. Since is less likely that the innocent man will try to mislead or trick the proc
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Bonnie G.
Sep 20, 2021 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I ended up having a conversation about this with a student today. Having read it the first time 40ish years ago it never made it to my GR. I have a copy of this on my shelf, and poke in and out of it on occasion still. Sometimes I need to read the words of a man who would rather die than forsake the pursuit of knowledge. It makes me believe in the possibility of a better future on the hard days. Anyway... after I argued with this student who did not believe that dispassionately acknowledging you ...more
Sam Quixote
Aug 26, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is Plato’s account of his mentor, Socrates, as he met his accusers in Athenian court to defend himself against charges of blasphemy and corrupting the young.

Socrates makes short work of the weak arguments made by his chief accuser, Meletus, through logical deconstruction. What’s interesting is that the defence isn’t really of Socrates against his charges but of his life and philosophy, which is basically what the trial is really about.

His latest troubles began when the Oracle at Delphi ann
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Himanshu Karmacharya
Mar 08, 2021 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: non-fiction
“For to fear death, my friends, is only to think ourselves wise without really being wise, for it is to think that we know what we do not know. For no one knows whether death may not be the greatest good that can happen to man.”

Apology is Plato's version of the speech delivered by Socrates as he defended himself in the court against the charges of corrupting the young and blasphemy.
It is amusing to read how Socrates tears down his accusers and the charges made against him by using logic and r
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Steve
Perhaps the most famous of the Socratic dialogues, the Apology (in the sense of apologia or defense before a tribunal) presents Socrates (469-399 BCE) as he defends himself against charges that he corrupted the youth of Athens and did not honor the proper gods. It is probably not a spoiler to say that Socrates was convicted and condemned to death. Subsequently, many of Socrates' pupils wrote their versions of the events and of the words spoken, though most have been lost. The Apology is a ...more
Darwin8u
"If you think killing people will stop anyone reproaching you for not living corrrectly, you are not thinking straight."
- Socrates, as writing by Plato in 'Socrates Defense'

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Vol N° 52 of my Penguin Little Black Classics Box Set. This volume contains Socrates Defense and is essentially Christopher Rowe's translation of Plato's Apology, which when taken with Euthyphro, Crito, and Phaedo make up The Trial and Death of Socrates.

I've read a different translation of this before (a couple times), but
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A Bookish ✧ Fable
'Do not be upset when I tell you the truth! No human can start an honest fight with you or any other public assembly, nobody can try to stop chrimes and unlawful doings without failing and going under. No, if anyone really should stride for what is right and keep life going for atleast a short period of time, then he must do it as himself , and not as a public speaker.' – Sokrates

(Quote translated personally from Swedish vers.)

This is Platos notes from what Sokrates was saying when he defend
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Christopher
Jan 03, 2009 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: everyone
It's been a while since I read this. In fact, I wonder if I really ever did read it. Nonetheless, what struck me in this reading were parallels to the New Testament. Both Jesus and Socrates probed by asking questions, both ruffled the establish, both exposed dearly held pretentiousness, both were condemned by their countrymen.

Even certain phrases in Apology are reflected in the NT (though it could be an accident of translation): "to die is gain", "I shall obey God rather than you", "[do not] tak
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Peter
Aug 16, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Wordsmith lovers
Beautiful, just beautiful. You can hear every word Socrates makes so much so that this should be classed as a readable audio book for the way the words inspire and fire the mind.

MORE Socrates and Plato if you will... Bravo, more,more (sound of audiance applause)
ink
Oct 09, 2018 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Socrates: I’m innocent and here’s why

Athenians: y’all hear something...........?
Luminița Gabura
Such an unfortunate chance - the first book of Socrate I read is actually the one including his latest sayings. The pleading is moving and it shows in multiple instances the unfairness of Athenians towards the philosopher and perhaps the inaccuracy of the jury trials in that era.
Brad Balderson
Sep 03, 2020 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Put on trial for asking too many questions and pointing out when people didn’t know what they thought they knew; the ‘wisest man’ Socrates makes his defence in front of the Athenian assembly.

He had every choice to stop speaking the truth, to accept exile and thereby escape the death penalty; but instead he decided to speak the truth, and with the knowledge he didn’t know whether the outcome would be good or bad - knowing only that his inner voice told him it was the right thing to do - he drunk
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Joey Woolfardis
Probably the best of the 80 so far. Socrates was a wonderful man who knew what was what. It's a sad thing that the world hasn't changed since 360 BCE when he made this speech before he was *SPOILER ALERT* put to death for corrupting the youth with his truth


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Onur
Jan 31, 2019 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
The Defense of Socrates consist with three sections. At the first section he defenses himself against to accusation of temptation to children and other offenses, he is too decisive in this section. In the second part he is comments his offense and at the third part he is sending direct message to the judges. It is so interesting.
Ipsa
Feb 27, 2020 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
"The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways- I to die, and you to live. Which is better God only knows." ...more
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