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In a room with no windows on the coast of Africa, an Englishman, James More, is held captive by jihadist fighters. Posing as a water expert to report on al-Qaeda activity in the area, he now faces extreme privation, mock executions, and forced marches through the arid badlands of Somalia. Thousands of miles away on the Greenland Sea, Danielle Flinders, a biomathematician,
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Paperback, 209 pages
Published
March 26th 2013
by Coffee House Press
(first published July 21st 2011)
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A couple of months ago some dillweed wrote this article attempting to shame adults who read YA books. In said article, she name-dropped a bunch of authors who wrote well-known classics, as well as this selection. She said of Submergence:
"A few months ago I read the very literary novel Submergence, which ends with a death so shattering it’s been rattling around in my head ever since. (If it's actually a death! Adult novels often embr ...more
A couple of months ago some dillweed wrote this article attempting to shame adults who read YA books. In said article, she name-dropped a bunch of authors who wrote well-known classics, as well as this selection. She said of Submergence:
"A few months ago I read the very literary novel Submergence, which ends with a death so shattering it’s been rattling around in my head ever since. (If it's actually a death! Adult novels often embr ...more
This is a perfectly told story detailing the experience of two protagonists plumbing the depths of humanity - both personal and corporate - in ways figurative and literal. There's a love story that is beautifully constructed, a rich (and obviously very well researched) narrative of jihadists in Somalia, told via wondrous sentences such as:
Heaven was like being tuned out. You entered in and were suffused in an equal light, without sun or storms, never atmospheric, and were met also by one equal s ...more
Heaven was like being tuned out. You entered in and were suffused in an equal light, without sun or storms, never atmospheric, and were met also by one equal s ...more
Reflexões sobre Vida e Morte
Senti este livro como um encontro entre a vida e a morte, explorado sob duas vertentes:
Uma metafórica, através dum amor fortuito entre um espião inglês em cativeiro, aprisionado por um grupo da al-Qaeda, (uma situação que estará em tudo, próxima do corredor da morte) e uma biomatemática que se dedica à exploração das profundezas dos oceanos (a água é por si só um símbolo de vida, já que consta que foi por lá que tudo começou)...
A outra perspectiva resulta duma combina ...more
Senti este livro como um encontro entre a vida e a morte, explorado sob duas vertentes:
Uma metafórica, através dum amor fortuito entre um espião inglês em cativeiro, aprisionado por um grupo da al-Qaeda, (uma situação que estará em tudo, próxima do corredor da morte) e uma biomatemática que se dedica à exploração das profundezas dos oceanos (a água é por si só um símbolo de vida, já que consta que foi por lá que tudo começou)...
A outra perspectiva resulta duma combina ...more
In an interview, Ledgard called this book an attempt at "planetary writing." Well: the attempt succeeded, and the result is a novel simultaneously (a) perfectly of its time, and (b) dizzyingly beyond it. A stunning achievement and, bonus, a great read.
A couple weeks after reading it, I still don't know quite what to say about Submergence except that it's phenomenal, one of the best novels I've read in a very long time. It's philosophical, provoking questions about how best to respond to the world in its complexities, whether by focusing inward or outward. And Ledgard, perhaps through his experience as a journalist, manages the tricky feat of making the terrorists who kidnap the protagonist (that's no spoiler, it's the first page) into complex
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Read 12/24/13 - 12/27/13
3 Stars - Recommended to those who are already fans of hostage-slash-love-slash-deep-thoughts-about oceanic-life-and-god-and-angels-and-hell-and-death novels told through the past and present experiences of both main characters
Pgs: 212
Publisher: Coffee House Press
I haven't written an actual, real length review since September, so go figure that I find myself itching to write one on a book that everyone else raves about but that has left me feeling incredibly underwhelmed. ...more
3 Stars - Recommended to those who are already fans of hostage-slash-love-slash-deep-thoughts-about oceanic-life-and-god-and-angels-and-hell-and-death novels told through the past and present experiences of both main characters
Pgs: 212
Publisher: Coffee House Press
I haven't written an actual, real length review since September, so go figure that I find myself itching to write one on a book that everyone else raves about but that has left me feeling incredibly underwhelmed. ...more
Very disappointed, given the reviews I've read of this book. Makes me question the reviewing industry, in general. The love story at the center was deflated and pretentious. Even with my understanding that James was undergoing trauma in captivity, his sections read like imperial, anthropological journal entries, which, unfortunately, don't read as authorial strategy or characterization. The role of women (other than Danny) is exploitive and prop-like, and Danny herself feels incredibly undevelop
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A Fractal Mystery
I felt this story as a life and death sort of meeting, developed in two senses : metaphorically and philosophically.
Metaphorically through the flash love affair that happens between James and Danielle:
James was held in captivity by some al-Qaeda guys (the way I figure it out, the difference between such a situation and the death corridor doesn't seem quite substantial), while Danielle was a scientist (a sea explorer in contact with a myriad of living organisms) in a place pulsin ...more
I felt this story as a life and death sort of meeting, developed in two senses : metaphorically and philosophically.
Metaphorically through the flash love affair that happens between James and Danielle:
James was held in captivity by some al-Qaeda guys (the way I figure it out, the difference between such a situation and the death corridor doesn't seem quite substantial), while Danielle was a scientist (a sea explorer in contact with a myriad of living organisms) in a place pulsin ...more
Dec 25, 2012
Tim
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really liked it
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review of another edition
Shelves:
modern-british-fiction,
reviewed
While this is not 100% successful, it is a damn impressive book, and occasionally it is brilliant. Ledgard writes for the Economist, from Africa, and this novel, his second, is set in Somalia. The hero, James More (a descendant of Thomas More; now that's a lineage), is a British "water engineer" (i.e., spook), kidnapped by jihadists. The harrowing, vivid opening bit will convince you, not that it would take much convincing, mind, that you must never be kidnapped by al-Qaeda zealots under any cir
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There simply wasn’t enough story or interaction between actual human beings in this novel for my taste. In a way it could have begun and ended anywhere, as it really did seem often to be a series of pieces - consisting of two deeply solitary narratives and a slew of scientific/historic observations of varied relevance - that were shuffled with occasional brilliance and sporadic logic.
That said, what Ledgard has done with dimension is wholly unique and deeply interesting. By exploring depth, sta ...more
That said, what Ledgard has done with dimension is wholly unique and deeply interesting. By exploring depth, sta ...more
Has a novel ever been more aptly titled than J. M. Ledgard's Submergence? From the opening pages, we're reminded relentlessly that "submergence," "submersion," "sinking," "diving," and "descent" are very much what this painstakingly crafted book is about. It's a thematic obsession that ties together philosophical synopses, historical anecdotes, essayistic meditations, two central characters, and three interwoven plots. Submergence is plainly a novel of grand ambitions—a brooding, atmospheric spy
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Stunningly orientalist. Simply amazed that not one of the reviews have even touched upon it. Ledgard seems like a very creepy old-school colonial guy - a slightly smarter Brit Tom Friedman-ish journalist at the neoliberal Economist - with a very dubious Islamophobic agenda. Will elaborate in a longer piece, but wow, what a knob.
Oldukça karışık,kopuklukları olan bir anlatım, sadece konu güncel ve cazip, okunması zor.
On a recent vacation, I finished J.M. Ledgard's Submergence and pressed it on my very well-read wife. Her first word after finishing it was "Wow!"
She asked if she could pass it on to her sister and my first word was "No!"
Not because I'm usually selfish with my books, but because I want this book close by — under my pillow should I despair about the world; on the shelf should I think there's no sense trying to write serious fiction in this age of micro-reading; on my desk to remind me that big ol ...more
She asked if she could pass it on to her sister and my first word was "No!"
Not because I'm usually selfish with my books, but because I want this book close by — under my pillow should I despair about the world; on the shelf should I think there's no sense trying to write serious fiction in this age of micro-reading; on my desk to remind me that big ol ...more
"They arrived at a place no satellite image can do justice to," as we arrive in the barren world of Ledgard's Submergence, a book that feels so intensely of the global transnational geopolitical now. Like Delillo but without the paranoia, or with the paranoia replaced by both desperate hope and resignation, Ledgard's world is one of deception and fanaticism, of drones and terrorism, of collapsing nation-states and war lords, but also one of crystalline observations of the natural world -- a worl
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My book of the year so far:
J.M . Ledgard's second novel is strange and disturbing It is also dark and, one might argue, deeply pessimistic in terms of the future it suggests for humankind.
SUBMERGENCE is an account of James, a kidnapped British spy, and the slow disintegration of his will and consciousness among his jihadist captors in Somalia, coupled with the descent into the depths of the oceans on the part of Danielle, a marine biomathematician.
Somewhere in there, in flashbacks, like particle ...more
J.M . Ledgard's second novel is strange and disturbing It is also dark and, one might argue, deeply pessimistic in terms of the future it suggests for humankind.
SUBMERGENCE is an account of James, a kidnapped British spy, and the slow disintegration of his will and consciousness among his jihadist captors in Somalia, coupled with the descent into the depths of the oceans on the part of Danielle, a marine biomathematician.
Somewhere in there, in flashbacks, like particle ...more
Isn't particularly interested but hey, James McAvoy is being cast as the main character so, *sigh*
Um livro que fala por um lado de amor e por outro de a vida de um cativeiro e todas as suas consequências. Este livro serve como reflexão sobre a vida e a morte.
I came to this book with unfairly inflated expectations, having read enthusiastic endorsements from writers I respect: Teju Cole, Kathryn Schulz, Alexis Madrigal, and Robin Sloan.
Those unfair expectations were met throughout the first half of the book, but the second half was a slow let-down
The strength of the book's beginning lies in its juxtaposition between two scenes that unravel with cinematic allure. First we meet James More, a British spy posing as a water engineer who has been taken hos ...more
Those unfair expectations were met throughout the first half of the book, but the second half was a slow let-down
The strength of the book's beginning lies in its juxtaposition between two scenes that unravel with cinematic allure. First we meet James More, a British spy posing as a water engineer who has been taken hos ...more
Huh... First off, I was disappointed in light of the stellar reviews that I had read. It has two somewhat compelling characters who through a chance encounter, meet and fall in love at Christmas time while staying at a rural French hotel created by Cesar Ritz at the start of the 20th century. This cozy, romantic plotline is thrown in a blender with jarring accounts of jihadists taking a British spy captive and scientific digressions on how significant the undersea world is and how people refuse
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Pretentious, ill-conceived, misogynistic, boring, flat, and insufferable. The author is a journalist who fancies himself a novelist but here's hoping for the salvation of any dignity the human race still has left that he really, really, REALLY doesn't quit his day job. I would not wish this paean to white male privilege on my worst enemy.
Please, I implore you, store this book in your bathroom cabinet as emergency backup when the TP runs out, and instead go pick up "A Day and A Night and a Day b ...more
Please, I implore you, store this book in your bathroom cabinet as emergency backup when the TP runs out, and instead go pick up "A Day and A Night and a Day b ...more
The more I read modern “high brow” literature the more convinced I am that nobody has actually read any classics. People talk about Moby Dick being one of the greatest novels in the English language (Ledgard himself praises Moby Dick in Submergence during one of many unnecessary deviations from the story) but peoples’ idea of what the book is differs greatly from the reality. Nobody ever mentions that Herman Melville wrote a funny scene where one sailor forces another to apologize to a couple sh
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Jul 01, 2014
Nick Black
rated it
really liked it
Recommended to Nick by:
someone in slate
Shelves:
likely-reread,
read-in-nyc
Pretty good! People who talk about "long passages of technical detail" either read a different book, or have a morbid fear of the scientific argot without which it is simply impossible to tell a detailed story about engineers and researchers. a quote from the text is relevant:
"She had suffered from the divide in the English education system, which holds that scientists do not study Milton, and those who love Milton have no comprehension of Newton's gravity, which brought Lucifer tumbling down fr ...more
"She had suffered from the divide in the English education system, which holds that scientists do not study Milton, and those who love Milton have no comprehension of Newton's gravity, which brought Lucifer tumbling down fr ...more
Ledgard possesses and utilizes powerful, immense pools of delicious nouns to describe the natural scenes involved in Danny and More's adventures.
I loved this book for its math and science snippets. While Ledgard effortlessly sits the reader inside the conscious of James More, he only views Danny from the exterior, among her colleagues. In descriptions and snippets around Danny's work I was particularly hooked by Danny's mythical inspiration:
“Six millennia ago, the air god Enlil and the sea god E ...more
I loved this book for its math and science snippets. While Ledgard effortlessly sits the reader inside the conscious of James More, he only views Danny from the exterior, among her colleagues. In descriptions and snippets around Danny's work I was particularly hooked by Danny's mythical inspiration:
“Six millennia ago, the air god Enlil and the sea god E ...more
Op de laatste pagina van Tot het laatste vuur de diepzee bereikt roept J.M. Ledgard op om Denis Allex, een in juli 2009 door Al Shabaab ontvoerde Franse veiligheidsadviseur, niet te vergeten. Net zomin als Asho Duhulow, een meisje dat op 13-jarige leeftijd in Kismayo schuldig werd bevonden aan ontrouw omdat ze verkracht was. Haar straf was dood door steniging. De kans dat je beiden vergeet, nadat je Tot het laatste vuur de diepzee bereikt hebt gelezen, is nihil.
James More, de mannelijke hoofdper ...more
James More, de mannelijke hoofdper ...more
This is a helluva book.
If you want to know what happened in a war, you might read a history book or old news reports. But if you want to know what it was like, you go to books, movies, story.
We're at war, now. But there aren't a lot of stories about it and the news always feels at an arms length.
The war between The West and Islamist Terrorists seems either very distant (drone attack in Yemen) or very immediate (Sep 11, July 7). Other than Usama bin Laden or Khalid Sheik Mohammed, how many peopl ...more
If you want to know what happened in a war, you might read a history book or old news reports. But if you want to know what it was like, you go to books, movies, story.
We're at war, now. But there aren't a lot of stories about it and the news always feels at an arms length.
The war between The West and Islamist Terrorists seems either very distant (drone attack in Yemen) or very immediate (Sep 11, July 7). Other than Usama bin Laden or Khalid Sheik Mohammed, how many peopl ...more
Hem çok güzel hem de netameli bir kitap.
İlk başta tekniğini yadırgadım ve başlarda sıkıldım elbette, ne de olsa okurluk tarihinde kimi zaman kırılmalara uğrasa da Cervantes'ten bu yana alışkın olduğumuz bir yapı var zihnimizde. "Batır Gitsin Derin Sulara" ise bu yapıya uygun bir eser değil. Rahatlıkla didaktik olmakla eleştirilebilir. Aslında tam da bu nedenle çok heyecan verici bir kitap. Birkaç sayfadan sonra ne olacağını merak edip ilgiyle okumaya başladım ve yeni şeyler öğrenmeye alıştım.
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İlk başta tekniğini yadırgadım ve başlarda sıkıldım elbette, ne de olsa okurluk tarihinde kimi zaman kırılmalara uğrasa da Cervantes'ten bu yana alışkın olduğumuz bir yapı var zihnimizde. "Batır Gitsin Derin Sulara" ise bu yapıya uygun bir eser değil. Rahatlıkla didaktik olmakla eleştirilebilir. Aslında tam da bu nedenle çok heyecan verici bir kitap. Birkaç sayfadan sonra ne olacağını merak edip ilgiyle okumaya başladım ve yeni şeyler öğrenmeye alıştım.
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Regardless of the fact that several people on Goodreads have reviewed this book as being, let’s say to summarize it, “crap”, I loved it. I mean, the way it is written, the reflections that the author makes throughout the novel are phenomenal. It is the kind of novel in which you stop reading so that you can organize your thoughts. The instantaneously chemistry between the main characters is fantastic. James and Danielle met on a Christmas Eve, but then, the circumstances forces them aside. James
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In some ways this reminds me of Narcopolis in that it engages in lyrical, almost poetic storytelling that meanders from place to place and character without the use of chapters. The review I read of it in New York Magazine describes this as a water-like quality, which I can sort of see, but it's almost more like pieces of a story that slowly wash up on a beach and then retreat, giving you dribs and drabs of information over time.
The quality of writing alone definitely merits more stars than I'm ...more
The quality of writing alone definitely merits more stars than I'm ...more
Amazing.... just amazing. Although it's not a book with many pages Ledgard manages to capture a perfect amount of sense in the book. There is love, pain (mainly pain) and adventure that balances out perfectly. With two protagonists (James More, descendant of Thomas More and Danielle Flinders, a oceanographer and biomechanic) it balances out the two perspectives perfectly.
What I did miss (and that's but a little thing) was the use of chapters, but I guess that's not really necessary for a book w ...more
What I did miss (and that's but a little thing) was the use of chapters, but I guess that's not really necessary for a book w ...more
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“If man had a sense of proportion, he would die of shame.”
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“It is understandable you would want to come back as yourself into a wonderland with the sharpness of color of the Queen of Hearts in a newly opened pack of cards. But coming back as yourself is resurrection. It is uncommon. It may even be greater than the scope of mathematics. We cannot talk with definition about our souls, but it is certain that we will decompose. Some dust of our bodies may end up in a horse, wasp, cockerel, frog, flower, or leaf, but for every one of these sensational assemblies there are a quintillion microorganisms. It is far likelier that the greater part of us will become protists than a skyscraping dormouse. What is likely is that, sooner or later, carried in the wind and in rivers, or your graveyard engulfed in the sea, a portion of each of us will be given new life in the cracks, vents, or pools of molten sulphur on which the tonguefish skate. You will be in Hades, the staying place of the spirits of the dead. You will be drowned in oblivion, the River Lethe, swallowing water to erase all memory. It will not be the nourishing womb you began your life in. It will be a submergence. You will take your place in the boiling-hot fissures, among the teeming hordes of nameless microorganisms that mimic no forms, because they are the foundation of all forms. In your reanimation you will be aware only that you are a fragment of what once was, and are no longer dead. Sometimes this will be an electric feeling, sometimes a sensation of the acid you eat, or the furnace under you. You will burgle and rape other cells in the dark for a seeming eternity, but nothing will come of it. Hades is evolved to the highest state of simplicity. It is stable. Whereas you are a tottering tower, so young in evolutionary terms, and addicted to consciousness.”
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