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Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession

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"As if Kevin Phillips's American Theocracy were being narrated by Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi," Chuck Thompson's "viciously funny and thoroughly tasteless" examination of Southern secession was one of the most controversial books of the year (Washington Monthly).

Chuck Thompson—dubbed “savagely funny” by the New York Times and “wickedly entertaining” by the San Francisco Ch
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Paperback, 336 pages
Published July 16th 2013 by Simon & Schuster (first published January 1st 2012)
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Barbara Why are you committing the logical fallacy of oversimplification? Not all Southernets are hypocrites, and not all have undergone "Bible-Belt…moreWhy are you committing the logical fallacy of oversimplification? Not all Southernets are hypocrites, and not all have undergone "Bible-Belt conditioning."

This book, as I noted in my review, is basically one big strawman argument. Why are you (and perhaps Northerners) so bad at basic logic?(less)
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Hadrian
Disclaimer: I am an over-educated biracial Yankee agnostic bisexual. I have perhaps the least possible incentive to defend anything like this stereotype of the South. That being said, this book is profoundly terrible, and is an example of the sort of ignorant, self-congratulating, xenophobic arrogance which is the syphilis of modern American politics.

To be fair, nobody should come here expecting to read a nuanced critique of racial and economic tensions between North and South. My best hope was
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Andy
Aug 24, 2012 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: travel
Just terrible. One of worst nonfiction books I've read in hardback in years -- all the wit of an anonymous internet commenter married to the erudition of a suburban teenage straight-edge hardcore band. The prose is so relentlessly crass and moronic it should have been typeset in all caps. Thompson is the sort of writer that uses the term "sheeple" unironically, if that gives you a clue.

The worst part is while I am also a Northern pinko that generally agrees with him on the sorry state of the un
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Joe
Sep 08, 2012 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Political hate books are terrible even when the author is on "your team." They are all just a different form of terrible even if you agree or enjoy the book, if that makes sense. I picked this book because I thought it would be funny (it was, at times) and because I tend to find much of Southern politics frustrating. Laughing about your frustration might seem enjoyable.

The author does not provide new information, but he he does give anyone who wants to rag on the South plenty of statistics, anec
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Jay
Dec 03, 2014 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: american-studies
As we say in the South: "Boy howdy!" I have really struggled to articulate some cogent "theme" in my review of this two-dimensional book about why "the South" should (in his Pacific Northwest eyes) secede from the rest of the country to form its own nation - as it tried to do in 1860, because this book fails and offends on so many levels. All of the examples of Southern "otherness" (on race, education, football, religion, politics, to name but a few) seemed superfluous, in the final analysis, be ...more
Brian
Sep 27, 2012 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
What is there to say about this book? It's essentially 250 pages of affirmed and confirmed stereotypes about the South. Ultimately, I thought the title and the premise were sorely ignored--towards the last quarter of the book the author goes back to playing with the notion of Southern secession, but it feels like an afterthought. What this book really is is an examination of how Southerners view themselves, and the answer is with a decidedly uncritical eye (though I would posit that the rest of ...more
David V.
Jun 23, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Received as an ARC from the publisher.
WOOHOO!!!!! and HOLY CRAP!!!!!! I can barely wait until this book is released in August and the s--- hits the fan. What a great time for me to be working in a bookstore! Finally an author who tells it like it is. It would be even funnier if it weren't so true, but I did laugh out loud--often. I've known for years that the South held an awful lot of power in this country, but I never understood how and why. I certainly do now, and I don't like it. Cheers to C
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Lisa
Nov 11, 2014 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Chuck Thompson's premise is that the South and the rest of the United States are so philosophically and culturally different that it makes us compromising impossible. All concerned would be better off if we simply let them secede. He provides many facts and examples to support his premise, many amusing and others redundant. Only at the very end does he contradict what he has been saying throughout the rest of the book. I thought that this was somewhat disconcerting. Nevertheless, I think he prov ...more
Bruce Reiter
Mar 05, 2013 rated it it was ok
I appreciated the collected information and have a better feeling or understanding of the southern culture from reading the book. The author's style did not appeal to me. As a resident of the mythic Cascadia I felt a lot of the book was "Southern Bashing", reaffirming my Northwestern liberal prejudices. I do not care much for southern culture, having lived in it for several years with the Army. Best quote for me was from Dr. Cobb,"My objection to what you're doing is using the South to wink at a ...more
Wanda
Aug 31, 2012 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Absolutely hilarious, extended argument for lobbing off the south and letting them have their own country. This was a book that simultaneously made me laugh out loud and cringe. The author, a wickedly funny and talented wordsmith, is a travel author, whose premise is that the vast cultural and intellectual divide between the south and the north in the U.S. begs for a split into two separate nations. While researching this book, he traveled through the bible belt in the U.S. south, interviewing a ...more
Connie
Dec 18, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I started reading this book in November, before the election. I finished it a couple of weeks after Pres. Obama was reelected.

Over the years, there has always been talk coming from Texas and Alaska (specifically) about "seceding" from the United States.

Considering all the hate, discontent, and vitriolic that has been emanating from the southern states during Pres. Obama's first term, it is no surprise that author Chuck Thompson chose to research and write this book.

By the way, the book was publi
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Paul Pessolano
“Better Off Without “Em” by Chuck Thompson, published by Simon and Schuster.

Category – Politics/History

This book is controversial, opinionated, and, humorous but serious in some respects. You will love the book if you are a Northerner, Obama backer, Liberal, and a Democrat. You will hate it if you are a Southerner, Anti-Obama, Conservative, and a Republican. Either way I recommend the book.

Chuck Thompson puts forth the proposal that the USA, would be better off if the Southern States would seced
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Chris Brown
Somewhat clever but it's too easy to mock evolution-denying southern evangelical Christians who believe Obama is either the anti-Christ or, if you are a moderate, just a Kenyan Muslim. Quick read and kind of a guilty pleasure but I kept feeling, so what? It just confirmed my stereotypes of uneducated, religious southerners. I'd rather read a book about the changing southern demographics about the south, something that would challenge rather than bolster my worst assumptions.
Raquel
Aug 22, 2012 marked it as to-read  ·  review of another edition
I've been saying this all along....!
Christopher
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. In his book Better off Without ‘Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession Chuck Thompson, author of To Hellholes and Back, offers a blistering look at the mezzogiorno of the United States and bravely does in print, what web trolls do for places like Scotland and Quebec: advocates for their separation.

A native Alaskan, familiar with fielding questions like “do you live in igloos?” Thompson hits below the Bible Belt and at the two solitudes of the
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Kevin Keith

Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession, by Chuck Thompson, is an engaging and provocative examination of US North/South tensions through the conceit of Thompson's semi-serious proposition that the South ought to be allowed to secede after all, because the North would be "better off without 'em".


To explore this suggestion, Thompson takes off on a road trip through the Confederacy and nearby areas, confronting Southerners of various descriptions and finally convoking a

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Joyce
Sep 01, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I gather that Chuck Thompson is a travel writer, and he's written a book about his travels in the southern US with a distinct political bias, that the south, with it's history of resistance and hyper-religiosity, is holding the country back. They seem to be mired in grievances over their loss of the American Civil War and thus all their political power is directed against the US government. They seem to think they should have been allowed to secede, and he agrees with them.
He lists the Seven Dea
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Nathaniel
This is another book in the overly-glutted "Gen Xer male writing a book about what they think of the world" category, sort of along the lines of Eric Schlosser. The only thing that keeps me from hating Thompson's writing as much as I hate Schlosser is the fact that Thompson doesn't take himself too seriously and obviously doesn't consider himself to be the Ultimate Authority on the subject that he writes about. He knows he has biases, knows exactly what they are, and is obviously having fun with ...more
Christopher Roth
Oct 16, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This book has been taken to task for its snarkiness and mean-spiritedness, but a bit unfairly, I think. Yes, Thompson uses very incendiary, often hilarious, language to make his point. For example --

-- "It's not easy to look into the twinkling eyes of a seventy-seven-year-old grandmother--a short woman in a pink T-shirt and floppy, white beach hat, the maker of someone's favorite sweet potato pie, a woman who says 'God bless you with an extra dose of sugar'--and tell her that a life spent in the
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Kristen
This might be one of the most out there "non-fiction" books I've ever read. Yes, non-fiction is in quotes on purpose. I think it's safe to say the amount of editorializing and extreme hyperbole puts this book in the same category as "reality" TV. However, that doesn't mean I didn't really enjoy reading some parts of it. Thompson's writing reminds me of some of the most interesting and most highly annoying people I knew in college. People that loved to debate and were always saying crazy stuff ju ...more
Patty
Although I did not finish this book, I am going to review what I perceive as the author's intentions. He feels that the Northern and Western parts of the United States would be better off if the South (where I happen to live) would secede.

In some respects, Thompson is correct. Many of the more conservative people live in the South. Also, lots of the fundamentalist Christians also live in my part of the country. However, there are many liberal folks around here, just as there are many conservativ
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Amy
Better Off Without 'Em is not, I think, a nonfiction book meant to be taken seriously. I picked this up on a whim while browsing under the impression that it was - at best - a food-for-thought kind of book and was - more likely - moderately amusing infotainment. In the infotainment respect, I think it succeeded. Yes, the book is laid out and written in a tone more like a face-to-face conversation or a blog post, and yes, that probably will grate on the nerves on some readers. It does, however, i ...more
Scott Lupo
Jul 22, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: non-fiction
Mmm...how to describe this book. Do you like biting humor? Do you like it when an author uses his/her amazing wordsmith skills to produce sarcasm mixed with truth rants? Because, wow, there are some doozies in this book. There are some rants I had to reread several times after laughing out loud. Thompson has a colorful way of getting his point across to the reader. Now, if you are right leaning, conservative, evangelical, or come from the South you may not like this book (unless you have a reall ...more
Andrew
Well-researched, yet feels very incomplete. I enjoyed the read, and learned a lot, and was convinced by his central premise, that the north and south are pretty much dragging each other down due to complete incompatibility problems. I live in New Mexico, which for some reason gets zero credit from Thompson for being a pretty non-southern state (in terms of the qualities he describes as being problematically southern) in spite of being on the border.

Unconvincing: the north keeping Texas.

Unnecess
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Zak
Jan 01, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Thompson writes a lot like Rolling Stone's resident lefty bomb-hurler Matt Taibbi. His opinions are front-and-center yet he backs them up with a wealth of fascinating facts. His outrageous and oft-profane humor skewers the objects of his critique, which provides much delight to those of us on his side, but also ample ammunition with which his opponents may easily dismiss him. I was ultimately convinced by "Better Off Without 'Em" that we Americans are hopelessly divided between North and South, ...more
Nathan
Sep 20, 2012 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Despite its best intentions, Thompson's book ended up being precisely the type of "Southern sociology" that scholars should really avoid. Thompson was so caught up in his own self-described Yankee superiority that he simply couldn't see past his project of bashing the South and allowing critical insights from noted Southern scholars such as James Cobb to perhaps give him some much-needed nuance. This is not to say that I disagreed with many of Thompson's findings (after all, I'm a queer, liberal ...more
Brandon Hickey
While an entertaining read for any northern liberal, the author's argument completely collapses the moment that an intelligent southern historian asks some fairly obvious pointed questions. The author's proposed succession plan would leave Texas as a northern state, simply because it is "too valuable to lose." To even think that Texas would consider remaining as part of a northern USA while its ideological brethren are allowed to create their own union is laughable. Texas would never accept the ...more
Kevin Trudo
Well written and funny. It fails as satire, largely, as its makes no pretense of objectivity. In fact it's a ferociously first person work with no attempt to appear academic. it's a fun read, but the single note wears and the indictments in the author's voice parrot some of the hate and surface skimming politics he attempt to shish-ka-bob, leaving an unsatisfying empty belly to accompany the questionable aftertaste.
John Dougherty
Aug 14, 2013 rated it it was ok
Like any other Yankee, this Ohio native has often felt culturally at odds with his fellow Americans to the south. Having spent a great deal of time below the Mason/Dixon line during my military enlistment (and, I must confess, vacations to Myrtle Beach) I've definitely told my share of "Redneck Jokes." I've had semi-serious discussions over frosty beverages about how backwards people are down there. I'm not sure if he minds, or if this was his goal all along, but I'm not laughing "with" Larry th ...more
Anne Meyer
The book seemed well researched, and the author makes cogent arguments for Southern secession. However, his endlessly snarky tone got tiring real quickly and was a turn-off for most of the book.
Stewart
Aug 24, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Chuck Thompson’s 2012 book, “Better Off Without ’Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession,” will likely fill readers with either strong assent or equally strong anger, depending on readers’ political views and region of the U.S. lived in. The book is a mixture of travelogue, interviews with college professors who are experts on the South, talks with other southern residents, extensive research from books and magazine articles on U.S. political history, and a good measure of sarcasm.
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“Here’s a secret intel bulletin for all y’all who’ve never left Yoknapatawpha County and imagine the United States is constantly on the precipice of enemy invasion—the only way this country is ever going to surrender its liberty to a foreign power is if it keeps electing corrupt officials who auction it away to multinational corporations and overseas government interests in exactly the fashion that southern star chambers have been doing to their own people throughout their entire dyspeptic history.” 0 likes
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