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Pace eterna (The Forever War #2)

3.73  ·  Rating details ·  14,684 Ratings  ·  365 Reviews
'Razboi etern'a fost publicat in 1975. In aclamatiile generale, a castigat premiile Hugo, Nebula si Ditmar si este considerat o opera clasica a science-fiction-ului. Acum - dupa mai bine de douazeci de ani - Joe Haldeman isi face o triumfatoare revenire la genul hard SF si la temele asociate acestuia, care au facut din 'Razboi etern' un multiplu castigator, iar din Haldema ...more
Paperback, 287 pages
Published 1999 by Teora (first published October 1997)
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Matt This is NOT a sequel. Forever Peace is a stand-alone story in a separate universe which is completely unrelated to Forever War. It has some similar…moreThis is NOT a sequel. Forever Peace is a stand-alone story in a separate universe which is completely unrelated to Forever War. It has some similar themes and an obviously similar title but it is not a sequel. The only sequel to Forever War is Forever Free. It is not necessary to read.(less)
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Welcome to the future...where the final war is being waged
....against war itself.

There is such a bounty of wonderful, insightful and important ideas stuffed into this novel that I find myself seriously bummed that weak storytelling and plodding central plot flow marred my enjoyment enough to keep me from awarding this a 4th star.

Still, from a component standpoint, this is a collection of gems.


The Haves:

The Alliance, led by the U.S., but including most of what we would consider t

Following the resounding success of my Locus Quest, I faced a dilemma: which reading list to follow it up with? Variety is the spice of life, so I’ve decided to diversify and pursue six different lists simultaneously. This book falls into my HUGO WINNERS list.

This is the reading list that follows the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I loved reading the Locus Sci-Fi Award winners so I'm going to crack on with the Hugo winners next (but only the post-1980 winners, I'll follow up with
May 24, 2015 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is not a sequel to The Forever War.

Haldeman says it is not, in a statement at the beginning of the 1997 novel, that it is related in setting but not a sequel, and not really related that much.

So why the title?

Well, it’s about the storyline, a strangely intriguing idea that the reader doesn’t entirely get until near the end. Fans of his earlier Forever War, first published in 1974, will notice some similarities in the centralized welfare state and obligatory civil service, and in his casuall
Never have I disagreed more with people who's opinions I respect. Forever Peace is a highly acclaimed and beloved book to many, but I disagree.

To begin with, this had nothing to do with The Forever War. So to market it as Forever War #2, sounds like a cash grab. That irritated me off the bat. The Forever War dealt with an interstellar war, where time dilation kept the players on an eternally shifting background.
It was a brilliant analogy for the futility of war, written by a Vietnam veteran to
Jun 15, 2013 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Forever Peace: Wildly implausible and poorly conceived
For the life of me, I can’t understand why Forever Peace won the Hugo, Nebula, John W. Campbell Memorial Awards for Best SF novel in 1997. Certainly his earlier 1975 The Forever War is a beloved SF classic that deals with the Vietnam War, time paradoxes, and the absurdity of endless conflict. First off, this book is not a direct sequel, and is hardly related other than sharing a military SF theme. Even that connection is tenuous, so I can onl
Mike Moore
This book starts slowly, then builds up a formidable foundation of ideas and possibilities before devolving to a fairly silly conclusion. In some ways I found it similar to works by the likes of Crichton or (Neal) Stephenson that build a fascinating world on an engaging premise, then rapidly and artificially generate and resolve a crisis to stand as a plot. I often wish that these authors could take the course of books that exist without plots of deadly peril or fearsome crisis... books like som ...more
Aug 18, 2009 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
This book is either the best "bad book" or the worst "good book" in science fiction, depending on your perspective. Its plot and structure are a jumbled mess: It basically reads like two separate novellas forced together into a single storyline. The first storyline revolves around the technological as well as psychological needs for fighting a near-future worldwide guerilla war, in which the powers behind a globalized World System must suppress desperate peasants who are on the losing end of tha ...more
A fascinating novel that effectively asks if war is an inevitable outcome of human nature and whether "to get rid of war, we have to become something other than human." About 100 years in the future, nanotechnology makes it unnecessary for peoples of the rich countries to work, but all citizens have to do a few years military service to deal with the pervasive revolutionary movements in the disenfranchised Third World countries under dictatorships in alliance with the dominant powers. The hero o ...more
Definitely not the quality of The Forever War. Don't get confused by the similar "Forever" title - this is not a second part of Forever War, it doesn't share the setting and is only vaguely based on similar ideas. (The second part of Forever War is Forever Free).

Nice story-telling. Characters are a bit extreme with suicidal tendencies and a good bit confusion. The last third reads rushed and the ending was a bit of a letdown.
Forever Peace is an interesting book in itself, describing how the group mind from The Forever War/Forever Free could come about, but I didn't really engage with it very much emotionally. Partially because the main character, Julian, is self-destructive and emotionally off. It's self-defence, perhaps. It's not a headspace I want to spend much time in. At least it's reasonably well handled.

It isn't really connected to the other books very closely, either, which doesn't help, and the switching bet
SciFi Kindle
Jan 12, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This book is a spiritual, if not narrative, sequel to Haldeman’s 1975 “Forever War”. Both novels won the Hugo & Nebula, and explore the theme of war’s futility, although from different perspectives and in separate story-worlds. Readers expecting a continuation of Forever War’s interstellar conflict or relativistic time dilation effects, will see that instead this story features a strictly terrestrial struggle between the wealthy nations, fueled by effortless nano-factory produced plenty, and ...more
Miloș Dumbraci
Această carte are o grămadă de probleme și o singură calitate, faptul că se citește cu ușurință, scriitura fiind una naturală, fără fasoane (ceea ce eu apreciez). Nu are nici o legătură cu ”Războiul Etern” nici ca poveste/lume, nici la calitate sau la impact, alegerea titlului fiind evident motivată doar de scopul ”cash grab”. Probleme:
- nu e o carte, ci practic 2: la jumătate Halderman se plictisește și deraiază pe cu totul altă poveste;
- nu e un military scifi decât vag, la început, și acela p
Dec 31, 2008 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: People who liked The Forever War.
Though not a sequel to The Forever War, it's similar name and same author force the comparison to be made.

The basic idea of Forever Peace is that implants in people allow them to control military equipment remotely by being jacked in. The controllers can die, so they're not entirely removed. People can also interact with each other while jacked in, and this allows for a deeper connection than is possible through normal interaction: speaking, touching, connecting. The theme is that this deeper co
Buck Ward
Sep 27, 2013 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
As a preface to Forever Peace, Haldeman says, "This book is not a continuation of my 1975 novel The Forever War. From the author's point of view it is kind of a sequel..." From a readers point of view it has little to do with The Forever War, though it is usually listed as the second in a series. In terms of reading order, I think it doesn't matter at all which is read first.

Forever Peace is a kind of military sci-fi cyberpunk intrigue story. It isn't really cyberpunk in the same way as Gibson's
David Olier
Feb 05, 2017 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: cifi
La verdad es que me siento un poco decepcionado con este libro. El desarrollo, la tecnología, el análisis social,... todo me ha parecido impecable. De hecho, el trabajo especulativo sobre el impacto que tendría cierta tecnología sobre la guerra, la paz mundial y la sociedad me parece magnífico.

Sin embargo la trama me ha parecido un poco inocente y sin sobresaltos. Los giros son predecibles y la acción se desarrolla marcada por un claro guión visible detrás de cada movimiento. Todo sale como debe
Apr 02, 2008 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is an science fiction story with a fascinating premise: the eradication of war through sensitizing individuals to powerful empathetic connections. Yeah, I know, but what is more intriguing to me is two opposing feelings that I took away from the book. One, I was overwhelmed and utterly convinced of the good in the idea. Two, I felt intensely guilty for witnessing the brainwashing of an entire (albeit fictional) world population. A thought-inspiring story that made up for in ideas what it la ...more
Jan 12, 2009 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: scififantasy
I really liked the author's Forever War.

This one, however, not so much. It was, well, weird. Seemed very unfocused; starts out as an exploration into the future of modern warfare. Then into some sort of apocalyptic doomsday conspiracy thriller. Very superficial feeling.

From a sci-fi standpoint, I was never convinced he knew the science behind what he was talking about which is a big no-no!

Ah well. A basically enjoyable read, but I wouldn't seek it out.
Fred Hughes
Dec 14, 2011 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Joe Haldeman books are what I call easy reads. The storys track fairly fast and there is minimal character development, but enough. Haldeman has a potty mouth sometimes which I don't find offensive but younger readers may not appreciate his vivid language.

All his books are entertaining and easily read. There is not too much complicated plot lines so again easy to read.

Ahmad Sharabiani
Forever Peace (The Forever War #2), Joe Haldeman
Matt Enlow
Jul 12, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
My favorite book of the year. A great work of literature, rather than my typical "a great fantasy book" or "a great scifi book" or "a great way to kill time"
("read" as an audiobook)
Jan 10, 2015 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
In the year 2043, our world is embroiled in a large-scale war between the Alliance, composed of industrialised Western nations, and the Ngumi, a loose coalition of developing nations without access to the nano-forging technology that contributes to much of the Alliance’s wealth. Our viewpoint into this war comes from Julian Class, a draftee who controls one of the remotely-operated mechanised units called soldierboys, a job that requires an intimate mind-link and cooperative effort with the rest ...more
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I thought, and I still think, that Joe Haldeman’s The Forever War, is one of the finest science fiction books ever written, or certainly of those I’ve read. I tend not to research much about authors I’ve first come into contact with so as to be able to approach that author’s writing with little more exposed to me than the author’s writing alone, and so it was an exciting discovery for me after so thoroughly enjoying The Forever War to find that there was a sequel (and I’ve since learned that t ...more
Charles Dee Mitchell
For a bookl titled Forever Peace, Joe Haldeman's 1997 novel opens with scenes of impressive mayhem and violence. America is fighting the Ngumi war against African and Latin American forces. We are employng an army of "soldierboys." These exemplars of advanced military technology are a cross between drones and robocops. nearly invincible armored fighters powered by mechanics who are "jacked" together into a cohesive fighting unit but safely ensconced miles away from the action. Not all soldierboy ...more
Alex Yard
Man, the first 50% of this book was five star material. And I mean five-star. Like, just about meeting and even topping the complete amazingness of "The Forever War", which I didn't think was possible.

But then the second half just sort of stagnated. The premise, the situation didn't really pan out in the second 50%. It just became a protracted battle between two factions in a tangled, expanded mess of uninteresting battle-tactic logistics reminiscent of IQ84, The Blade Itself, Wool (I'M SORRY RA
Profundus Librum
Dec 03, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A kötet nem közvetlen folytatása a klasszikus első résznek (Mandela közlegény kalandjainak közvetlen folytatását ugyanis a harmadik kötet, az 1999-es Forever Free tartalmazza), és nem is előzménykötet, sőt, még az sem jelenthető ki egyértelműen, hogy ugyanabban az univerzumban játszódik mindkettő. Ez a rész – az író saját szavaival élve – csak új szempontból vizsgálja annak a regénynek egyes kérdéseit.

Igencsak nehéz dolga volt a szerzőnek, mikor az Örök háború sikeréhez felérő folytatást kívánt
Mar 15, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: sci-fi
First of all, let me state that this is NOT The Forever War #2. While it's been described as a "thematic sequel" to that book, it is by no means a sequel. None of the same characters, and it's not set in the same universe. It's a far different book. Haldeman addresses some of the same themes, but that's not uncommon for a writer.

I was in the mood for sci-fi, so I picked this book off my shelf and was not disappointed. Military sci-fi, or even hard science sci-fi, is generally not something I'm d
Like Haldeman's 1974 The Forever War, this book also won a Hugo award, this one for 1998. Because of the similar titles, I thought the two books might be related, and so re-read The Forever War recently. While it would be possible to compare them thematically, the plots and settings are completely unrelated. There is a third book, Forever Free, which is an outright sequel to The Forever War.

This book is set in the mid-21st century, a time of high technology warfare between the "have" nations and
Jimmy Corvan
Jun 24, 2010 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Forever Peace is about as similar to Forever War as a Centrosaurus is to a Pliosaur. Where the latter two are similar, primarily and nearly solely, in that they are reptiles, the former are similar only in that they are books written by Joe Haldeman.

A Pliosaur mostly roams the seas venturing from place to place occasionally stopping to rip apart some unsuspecting...well...anything that's edible, much like Forever War where William Mandella roams open space from place to place occasionally stopp
-De los demonios personales del autor (y algunos de los del género humano).-

Género. Ciencia-Ficción.

Lo que nos cuenta. En un futuro no muy lejano, los Estados Unidos de América (en realidad una alianza del Primer Mundo) libran una guerra en Centroamérica (en realidad libran muchas guerras contra muchos adversarios en muchos lugares del mundo) con medios entre los que destacan los URIC (Unidad Remota de Infantería de Combate), más conocidos como “soldaditos” por sus usuarios, jóvenes que los mane
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Haldeman is the author of 20 novels and five collections. The Forever War won the Nebula, Hugo and Ditmar Awards for best science fiction novel in 1975. Other notable titles include Camouflage, The Accidental Time Machine and Marsbound as well as the short works "Graves," "Tricentennial" and "The Hemingway Hoax." Starbound is scheduled for a January release. SFWA pres
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