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Plato's "Phaedrus" is a dialogue between Phaedrus and the great Greek philosopher Socrates. Phaedrus has been spending the morning with Lysias, the celebrated rhetorician, and is going to refresh himself by taking a walk outside the wall, when he is met by Socrates, who professes that he will not leave him until he has delivered up the speech with which Lysias has regaled ...more
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Riku Sayuj

“Every heart sings a song, incomplete, until another heart whispers back. Those who wish to sing always find a song. At the touch of a lover, everyone becomes a poet.”

~ Plato


THE SCHOOL OF LOVE

Phaedrus is commonly paired on the one hand with Gorgias and on the other with Symposium - with all three combining and leading towards Republic. It is compared with Gorgias in sharing its principal theme, the nature and limitations of rhetoric, and with Symposium in being devoted to the nature and v
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Manny
[HARRY's apartment from When Harry Met Sally. HARRY is asleep on his couch. On the table next to him are a mostly-empty bottle of bourbon and a copy of Phaedrus. Enter SOCRATES.]

SOCRATES: Good evening, Harry.

HARRY: How--

SOCRATES: Don't worry, I'm not real. This is a dream.

HARRY: Uh--

SOCRATES: I see you're reading Phaedrus. Looking for advice, maybe?

HARRY: I-- I just can't understand how I could have done it. Why did I fuck her? I've ruined everything.

SOCRATES: You're sure about that?

HARRY: We ha
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Ian "Marvin" Graye
A Twist in Your Toga

As they say in the classics, I’m glad I reviewed "The Symposium" before "Phaedrus".

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

Although the two relate to similar subject matter, it’s uncertain in what order they were written.

However, "Phaedrus" isn’t the toga party that "The Symposium" was, primarily because there are less participants. And everybody knows, the bigger the toga party, the better. (Well, it has a potential for more surprises, though apart from the surprise elemen
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Yann


Ce texte a été écrit par Platon il y a vingt-cinq siècles. C'est un dialogue, sans doute imaginaire, entre Socrate, qui fut l'un de ses maîtres dans sa jeunesse, et qu'il fait largement intervenir dans ses œuvres, et Phèdre, un jeune homme de la noblesse Athénienne qui le fréquente. Le prétexte de cette causerie, c'est une promenade en dehors de la ville, où Phèdre entraine Socrate après l'avoir appâté par son enthousiasme à l'idée de lui faire entendre un discours qui l'a enchanté. Ce discours,
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Steve
Sep 29, 2013 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: greek, philosophy
Phaedrus is another Socratic dialogue, but one which actually is a dialogue. Socrates runs into his friend Phaedrus, who tells him of a conversation he just had with Lysias, a mutual acquaintance. As in the Symposium

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

the topic is love, but here, instead of looking at many different aspects of love, the topic is, initially, who is the better object of a man's love? One should keep in mind that one of the positions defended in the Symposium is: the mo
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Jonfaith
May 27, 2016 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: theory
I have heard a tradition of the ancients, whether true or not they only know; although if we found the truth ourselves, do you think that we should care much about the opinions of men?

Delightful rumination on the contrast of rhetoric and philosophy, on the written against the spoken and the madness which is love. I read this as grist for a Derrida project which failed to appear on command. Other tools require being readied.
Rahman
Through the madness of love, you can transform your desire for your beloved from a physical need to a spiritual passion, and therefore feel for his beautiful soul as much as you do for his beautiful body. When you achieve that level of soulful love, your beloved, bathing in the reflected radiance of the harmonious admixture of his beauty and yours, and drinking from the stream of desire running through the both of you, gives you in return his uncontaminated, worthy love. Then, by maintaining a b ...more
Bogdan Raț
Feb 06, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Toată lumea
O delectare. N-am rezistat tentației de a-l citi de două ori.
jo
Jan 30, 2016 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Very interesting and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Peter
Spoiler alert: This book is not about a "philosophy of love" as many reviewers seem to believe. As every dream has its manifest content (a storyline) that masks a latent content (the suppressed, unconscious emotions that bubble into our semi-conscious REM sleep), Socrates' discourse on the nature of love thinly masks the true subject of this dialogue: bullshit, how to produce it, and how to recognize it. For the reader, his dialectical approach gives us a hint about how to resist it.

With self-de
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Jacob Aitken
Initial Problem: Can a lover be a stable friend?

P1: The Lover is more dis-ordered than the non-lover.
P2: Love is a desire [Plato 237]
P2a: Erromenos Eros is the Supreme Desire.
P3: (Socrates speaking): The non-lover has all the advantages in which the lover is deficient.

P(1-3) establish that the lover is always unstable. He is concerned with pleasing the beloved. It seems if he is controlled by desire (Eros), then he isn’t rational. In fact, he is mad.

But Socrates raises an interesting question: D
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Scott
Dec 06, 2011 rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
The Phaedrus was not one of the dialogues we read in my Plato seminar in grad school, so I thought I'd finally tackle it. I didn't like it much. I'm guessing that that might be the influence of my particular professor, but I'm not sure.

Some of the other goodreads reviews are very well-written and do a nice job of analyzing the dialogue. Many highly recommend it.

The dialogue is a conversation between Socrates and Phaedrus out for a walk on a hot summer afternoon. They take shelter in a cool spot
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Nicolás
Jul 15, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2017
En estos "diálogos socráticos" encontramos a un Fedro y Sócrates hablando acerca del amor, la dialéctica, del alma, de la relación entre escritura y memoria, etc.

«El que piensa trasmitir un arte, consignándolo en un libro, y el que cree a su vez tomarlo de este, como si estos caracteres pudiesen darle alguna instrucción clara y sólida, me parece un gran necio; y ciertamente ignora el oráculo de Ammón, si piensa que un escrito pueda ser más que un medio de despertar reminiscencias en aquel que co
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David Alexander
Feb 24, 2013 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Phaedrus is a beautiful dialogue of Plato. I confess, I listened to the whole thing while laying down mulch for hours with my earbuds. Librivox.org, man. Plato first sets the stage by narrating a scene of playful leisure to set the stage for layered, increasingly deeper contemplation. The dialogue offers valuable, time-tested insight and guidance in the life of the mind and itself embodies the insight.

Perhaps we get the word philosophy from this dialogue. At least in it Socrates defines the typ
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Ahmed M. Abdallah
Nov 22, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
ظالمين أفلاطون يا جماعة
Chiara Pagliochini
“Come una corrente di vento o un’eco che rimbalzando su una superficie levigata e solida si ripercuote al punto d’origine, così la corrente di bellezza penetra di nuovo nel bell’amato attraverso gli occhi. Così per il suo naturale canale raggiunge l’anima, e come vi arriva disponendola al volo irrora i meati delle penne, stimola la crescita delle ali e a poco a poco riempie d’amore l’anima dell’amato.”

La domanda legittima è: perché, quando uno sta già leggendo altri sette libri, una bella mattin
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Francisco H. González
En Fedro, Platón aborda cuestiones como el deseo, el amor, la persuasión, la inmortalidad del alma, algunos de los cuales ya habían sido abordados más el detalle en otros diálogos, como la inmortalidad del alma en el Fedón, la retórica en el Gorgias, o el amor en el Banquete.

Se reflexiona sobre la retórica, sin llegar al nivel de Gorgias, pero sí que ésta se entiende como un embuste, como un instrumento de dominación y de codicia, y se nombra a aquellos más diestros en este arte, como Gorgias y
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Chris
Feb 15, 2009 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: theory
Plato is RIDICULOUS. In all the best ways. I'm sort of inclined to agree with a friend who said that if you're trying to sort out the Socrates from the Plato, a pretty good indicator for the Socrates is the concentration of dirty jokes. The Phaedrus is rife with them. It actually opens with Lysias arguing for hookup culture. That makes the subtle little ways that Socrates pulls out the rug from under you all the more delicious.e
Jana L.
Jan 24, 2017 rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: thinking
Maybe I shouldn't have finished Phaedrus at the airport at 10 o'clock at night while waiting for my delayed flight to arrive at the gate, but man. This was terrible, and a terrible example of the kind of philosophy available from 4th century BCE. I added a star because of its valuable place in the history of ideas and thought.

I must be super cranky today.
Zakaria Bziker
Some thoughts herein are eternal. Ahead of its time maybe. I was more interested in how the dialogue flows, however not to say the least of the content. It is highly civilised how Socrates and Phaedrus conversed. All the world problems would be solved in an instance had everybody conversed like these two giants.
Marts  (Thinker)
Jan 30, 2011 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Written by Plato, this Socratic dialogue with Phaedrus, focuses on the topics of rhetoric (as in its correct use and practice) and that of erotic love.

Yazeed AlMogren
كتاب لايضيف شيئًا، الغريب أن حب الغلمان كان منتشر بشدة في عصر الفلاسفة الإغريق
Dylan Grant
Among Plato's best.
Sawsan Alotaibi
محاورة فايدروس لأفلاطون أو عن الجمال

ابتدأ الكتاب بخطاب لوسياس عن العشق وأن غير العاشق أنفع من العاشق، لأن العاشق سيكون تحت سحر معشوقه ولن يعود عليه نفع من جراء ذلك العشق.
ثم رفض سقراط بطريقة ماكرة هذا الأمر بعد جدل طويل، وذم الحب، ثم جاءته نوبة تنبيه من ( الآلهة ! ) بأنه أخطأ في حق إله الحب، فعاد لاستخراج معنى الحب السامي من خلال جدل طويل أيضاً، ثم بيّن بعد ذلك نقداً للخطابة والفن عموماً حينما يجعل الحق باطلاً ويوهم بالحقائق، وأثناء الجدال ذكر أهمية معرفة النفس وأنها أول ما ينبغي معرفة حقيقته لكل
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Dalia
May 16, 2015 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy-club, 2015
لا أعرف حقيقة لم استخدمت الاسم البديل "عن الجمال" ، إذا كانت قد ترجمت المحاورة عن الحب؟!
والمحاورة عدة أجزاء تبدأ بمقال لوسياس عن الحب،وهي بالأصل في تفضيل غير المحب على المحب، ويطرح قرائنه لى ذلك، لأول وهلة يبدو الكلام مقنعًا إلا أنني لم أعجب به، وبعد أن أنهيت المقال ورأي سقراط فيه تركت الكتاب يومًا ثم عدت فأعدت قراءة ذات المقال مرة أخرى، لكن هذه المرة عرفت لم لم يعجبني،ولم يقنعني رد سقراط الأول إلى أن راجع نفسه قائلًا:
لتنظر يا صديقي فايدروس كم من وقاحة في الحديثين السابقين سواءهذا الذي قلته أنا
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بسام عبد العزيز
هل سمعت من قبل عن الحب "الأفلاطوني"؟
هل تردد في مسامعك ان الحب الأفلاطوني هو "الحب البرئ الطاهر من الشهوات الجسدية الحقيرة"؟
هل حلمت في وقت ما بتلك العلاقة "الأفلاطونية" التي تسمو بك إلى أعلى درجات الصفاء الروحاني؟

لو كانت الإجابة نعم فأنت لديك شئ مشترك معي..
أن كلانا ضرب على قفاه!

ببساطة "الحب الأفلاطوني الأسطوري" هو غرام الرجال بالغلمان!!!!!!!! (أكمل علامات التعجب إلى ما تشاء!)
لا.. ليس غرام الرجل للمرأة..
ليس غرام الرجل للرجل..
و لكنه غرام الرجل بالغلمان!!!!!!!

أفلاطون في هذه المحادثة ينقل لنا حوارا
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Matt Bianco
Dec 19, 2013 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
In Plato's Phaedrus, Socrates and Phaedrus discuss love and rhetoric. While it is true that a big chunk of the dialog is about love, the love speeches are really a setup for the final conversation on rhetoric. The love speeches become types of rhetoric that Socrates and Phaedrus then discuss to come to some conclusions about rhetoric.

A big takeaway: Rhetoric, to be truly effective and true and beautiful, requires the rhetorician to know his audience and the nature of the individuals that make u
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Rickeclectic
Dec 10, 2008 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Philosophy buffs, literary criticism buffs
Shelves: philosophy
Previously considered a lesser work by Plato, but more recently considered important because of Derrida. The text is about writing and oral communication and their role in telling the truth. The dialogue very cleverly intersperses the difference between true and false love with the difference between true and false rhetoric. In reading this, it helps to understand the opposition between Socrates and the sophists that pervades most of the other Platonic dialogues, but the Phaedrus can stand alone ...more
L.S.
Feb 21, 2010 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2010
Am citit cartea asta ceva mai greu decat mi-as fi imaginat. Poate si pentru consistenta mare a ideilor, condensate in fiecare propozitie a dialogului. Schema discursului a fost de mare ajuor pentru intelegerea structurii, iar pt. cei interesati (nu pt. mine) de un studiu aprofundat exista cateva zeci de pagini de note cu explicatii suplimentare.

Dialogul este despre multe lucruri, de la fumos la iubire, insa cea mai semnificativa sectiunea mi s-a parut cea referitoare la arta discursului, la ret
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Jon
Jan 07, 2009 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Plato at his most playful. First Socrates presents one argument about romantic love (in a nutshell--that it's dangerous and not to be messed with), then professes to have changed his mind and presents an extreme counter to his own argument, (that love is a reminder of our true spiritual form and should be sought above all else). He finally reveals that he's just been messing with Phaedrus in order to show him how unwieldy and unreliable the art of rhetoric can be.
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(Greek: Πλάτων) (Arabic: أفلاطون) (Alternate Spelling: Platón, Platone)
Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosoph
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“Love is a serious mental disease.” 885 likes
“If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows.” 47 likes
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