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Charmides, an early volume in the very popular Socrates series, is a particularly clear case. There's a kind of vague plot, but basically it's not much more a step-by-step manual in the art of seducing young boys with smooth talk about epistemology, the relationship between philosophy and science, and the nature of virtue. The fact that Socrates is a role model to many overimpressionable men ...more
I dare say that what I am saying is nonsense, I replied; and yet if a man has any feeling of what is due to himself, he cannot let the thought which comes into his mind pass away unheeded and unexamined.
Socrates, who elsewhere is described as quite ugly, is hanging out in a wrestling gym when this totally hot younger guy walks in. "Dude, he's hot," Socrates says. "Yeah, but wait till you see him naked, he's got a killer bod," Chaerephon says. "Hey Critias, call your hot cousin over here ...more
SOCRATES: ... Now consider again the nature of temperance.
CHARMIDES: Of what?
SOCRATES: It's an ancient Greek term that doesn't translate well into English. [Aside] Zeus, he's hot!
CHARMIDES: Oh... right.
SOCRATES: Well, if you possessed temperance, would you post better reviews on Goodreads?
CHARMIDES: You mean, if it had been invented yet?
CHARMIDES: I guess not.
SOCRATES: Would you get more votes?
"Mais um vez, Cármides, retruquei, olha com atenção para dentro de ti mesmo, considera o que faz em ti a presença da temperança e o que deverá ela ser produzir semelhante efeito, e, depois de bem refletires, dize-me com decisão e lealda ...more
Some good things come about as byproduct. The science of man's self I think is a good enough conclusion, although with "science" taken as a metaphor, not a ...more
Or if one was metaphor for the other (you will know which is which), I missed it.
Like most of the other dialogues, this one is also beautiful.
To read about wisdom, virtue, good, valor and he most important human qualities is in itself a joy.
Diderot has said that
“A superior mind profits from a page of Plato more than from a thousand pages of critique…
Plato talks about the general harmony of the universe in such a way, that the Almighty Himself would borrow his language and ideas…”
In other words, instead of reading this note of mine here, you ar ...more
Like most of Plato's dialogues, the Charmides is named after one of the characters who features predominantly in it. In this dialogue Socrates tell us how he met Charmides, a young man famous for his charm and devastating good looks. He tells us, that at the time of meeting Charmides he had just returned from a military campaign and started a discussion about two of his favourite subjects: philosophy, and handsome young men. Critias says that Socrates is in luck, here comes the most beautiful yo...more
I'm once again puzzled with the often presented praises on the young boys "beauty", which makes some dialogues a bit silly (I can't imagine serious conversations nowadays focusing on a boy stature and beautiful face).
Nonetheless, the dialogue continues with an interesting question, about temperance, and what it means. As it happens on some other dialogues, it ends without a proper answer, only contributing to the pr ...more
They say this is part of the early writings of Plato, hence the weaker argumentation. Apparently he was also trying to portrait Socrates' relations with Critias as one by which Socrates was trying to make Critias a better person, so that the accusations that Socrates was a friend of Critias (who later became one of the thirty tyrants) was partially explained.
Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosoph ...more