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Midst Toil and Tribulation

(Safehold #6)

4.13  ·  Rating details ·  5,199 ratings  ·  247 reviews

David Weber's New York Times bestselling Safehold series of military Science Fiction adventure, which began with Off Armageddon Reef, continues with Midst Toil and Tribulation


Once the Church of God Awaiting dominated all the kingdoms of Safehold. Then, after centuries of stasis, the island kingdom of Charis began to defy the edicts of Mother Church--egged on,

Kindle Edition, 608 pages
Published September 18th 2012 by Tor Books
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Nov 20, 2012 rated it really liked it
Shelves: sci-fi
Like most Weber books lately, I spent the first 150 pages desperately trying to get back into the story, and the last 350 genuinely wrapped up in the action - and the last page both surprised that it was over (a hefty - and necessary - apendix adds 30 or more pages to the book) and anoyed that it would be another year or more before I learn what happens next.
All the standard Weber frustrations apply: he is Too Wordy By Half. And most of his characters are too Good by half. A lot of page count i
After a somewhat disappointing HFAF - had some great some stuff and the last 100 pages were very, very good, but a lot of repetition - I was wondering if somehow DW's decision to change Safehold series focus from a multi-generational saga leading to the final confrontation to the Gbaba (afaik that was the original pitch of the series) to a series focused on the transformation of Safehold in detail, so with each volume spanning a year or less and covering all the facets of the titanic struggle be ...more
Oct 02, 2012 rated it it was ok
Shelves: shelved
How often do you shrug?

David Weber is a prolific writer. In fact, he is almost as fecund as Alexander Dumas père was, now that I think about it. For that matter, Dumas père was much less fertile, considering his numerous assistants and collaborators, at any rate. He, David Weber, that is, has interesting stories to tell, the problem, though, is how he tells them. Probably every writer has his own favorite words or even expressions, for that matter. But Weber takes it to stratospheric level. His
Mary Holland
Sep 15, 2012 rated it really liked it
I enjoyed this very much, but I'm a big David Weber fan. This is part 6 of a series and if you haven't read the previous 5, please don't start here. This one is more tightly plotted than some of his others and has more action and less discursive/rambling moral agonizing by the principal characters. The technology development and introduction of iron ships and steam power is the star here, and Weber does it very well. Reading reviews of his work can be very funny: we love them, we see the problem ...more
Jan 03, 2014 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: 2019, 2020
Another really enjoyable read, in this great series.
Oct 04, 2012 rated it did not like it
Shelves: sci-fi
I recently wrote a review of Weber's "A Rising Thunder" which stated how I felt the book was a waste of time. Here is my first paragraph: "I think David Weber has reached the breaking point. "A Rising Thunder" is continuing a trend that I find distasteful -- the stretching of a multi-book storyline to a point where the reader no longer cares. In my opinion this book should have been condensed to maybe three chapters and put at the beginning of his next Honorverse book -- one that I hope puts an ...more
Jun 05, 2018 rated it it was ok
I realize this is military fiction but I'm really get tired of pages on pages of technical data on weapon construction, what variant of gunpowder is used, and the weight/size of bullets. ...more
Mar 07, 2016 rated it it was ok
This is one of the series I've been reading that I'm probably going to stop following.

I love the premise, with its combination of sf and alternative history. The clash between the corrupt but ruling Church and more progressive- or Protestant- beliefs is well-handled, and in light of many current politics, the struggle between fundamentalism and tolerance is timely.

A problem is that while this is the world in which things are happening, each individual novel seems to get longer and more tedious,
Aug 13, 2013 rated it really liked it
What can I say that I haven’t said before? This is #6 in the Safehold series, and it is both just more of the same and just as good as the foregoing. In this volume, the forces of evil, as represented by the Church of God Awaiting, finally gets its own licks in, in a typically asinine way, by attacking one of its satellite countries from which a significant percentage of its own revenue is obtained. Despite that questionable success, however, the Charis navy manages to wipe out still another fle ...more
Sep 20, 2012 rated it really liked it
I have given this book four stars, giving the author the benefit of the doubt out of respect and admiration. I like David Weber's books. I always have. My experience with this book was a three-star experience, but that's not Weber's fault.

You see, I received this book as an ARC (advanced reader copy). Yes it was an uncorrected proof, and clearly labeled as such, but the editing lapses were so minor as to be a complete non-issue. The reason I struggled with this book is because it is Book 6 in a
May 20, 2013 rated it liked it
I continue to be a fan of the Safehold Series but I have to admit that there is an undertow to the series that feels a bit like filler right now. That said, I did enjoy this book for the simple reason that we are entering a somewhat darker period over this book (and the last) than has characterized the series heretofore.

In this book we continue to learn a lot about the mainland realms....their geography, economy, demographics and so on. The Army of God is marching steadily across one of the mai
Sep 19, 2012 rated it liked it
This one I liked least.
The Sharleyn and Caleb relationship was just a rehash of the last few books as was pretty much all of the interaction.
The rational Merlin uses to not use his abilities to make a huge difference is simply not believeable.
He sets the future up by mentioning the people with lower technology will be more innovative.
Of course with what they are already doing Charisians should be able to destroy the church technologically,where are the machine guns,they are behind what they are
Oct 10, 2012 rated it did not like it
Shelves: sci-fi
I have either read or listened to all the other books in this series and mostly enjoyed them. I have tried to listen to the audiobook of this, but it is appallingly read. The reader inflects vast tracts with with over-the-top, breathy portent in an 'oh my god, isn't this just so terrible/exciting/important' tone that made me think I was accidentally channelling a local high school drama class. Added to that, Weber is now very much guilty of the excruciating 'padding' that multi-volume authors of ...more
Nov 05, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
"Great But Bad Choice for Narrator" Overall Performance Story I just enjoy David Weber's story telling. This for me is an epic story at its best. David shows us a war between good and evil, but which side is good and which side is evil. The author lets you decide for yourself.

Kevin Collins was a poor choice to narrate this book. Not that Kevin did a bad job, he brought about to much change to the book. First off I have gotten used to the narrators to the other five books. There were three other
Tom Gregorio
Nov 08, 2012 rated it it was ok
Shelves: science-fiction
Another painful read. The signal to noise ratio is so low on this series now but I feel I must plow on. Don't worry, though, I certainly didn't pay for this godawful piece of tripe. As noted previously, Weber is just dialing it in at this point. The only thing more long-winded than his prose at this point is the philisophical meanderings of his characters: Not only must we not what person A thinks of topic 1, we need to hear in detail how and why they think that along with the thoughts of all th ...more
Kim Conde
Oct 08, 2012 rated it it was ok
David Weber is arguably one of the best authors in this genre. I have great respect for his work and have read all the books in this series including "Midst Toil and Tribulation". The problem with this series and this book in particular is that most of the book is superfluous soap-boxing by the author. It drags on for page after page and chapter after chapter. Although I enjoy good character development, devoting multiple books and hundreds of pages to it is just tedious and makes for a ponderou ...more
Robert Robertson
Sep 12, 2012 rated it it was amazing
I have always liked David Weber books and this series does not disappoint. I keep rereading the series when each new book comes out following different threads such as the assasination attempts on the Sharleyann and her response to it. However, it is killing me waiting for the next book - is this the year of Siddarmarks counter offensive or are we going to get hammered more? David quit going on trips and get writing.
Reread sep 2014. first read 2012
Daniel Hamad
Possibly the best book in this series... or book by David Weber in general... yet. His story telling continues to improve and the mass of characters in these books makes sense. The scope continues to increase without overwhelming you. He also has not rushed this series to completion. I have no idea how many books are going to be in it by the end, but he certainly has not artificially limited himself like so many others.
I listened to this audio book in the car during my commute.
I found my attention wandered more than usual, and I had some trouble keeping track of which of the many, many locations and characters I was hearing.
Picks up at the end, once Weber really gets into the battles.
Definitely a middle-of-the-series sort of book.
Matthew Bauman
Jun 18, 2012 rated it liked it
Ok, getting to the point where I just want this story to end.
Nov 26, 2020 added it
I am a huge fan of David Weber's writing. I doubt there are very many of his novels which I have not read, and I own copies of almost all of them. Yet it was a struggle, despite how much I've enjoyed the Safehold series, to push on through to the end of this one. It seemed to me that to "get" what was going on, you'd need a huge hex map of Safehold, and lots of little counters to represent each of the armies and their forces involved in the tale, as well as having your "cheat sheet" handy to kee ...more
Steven Lee
May 05, 2017 rated it liked it
The sixth novel in the Safehold series picks up immediately where How Firm a Foundation leaves off. The Sword of Schueler, a plot to initiate a religious civil war in the Republic of Siddarmark, has utterly ravaged the country and created untold human misery. Our protagonists in the Charisian Empire must scramble to address the humanitarian and military disaster unfolding on the mainland. While the collapse of Siddarmark may be seen as a disaster, it provides Charis with its first mainland ally ...more
May 20, 2019 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: science-fiction
First thoughts (probably spoilers):

It took a while, but the series finally came back to what feels like the meat of the story. The pacing has picked back up, and outside of the exposition dumps (which to be fair is what makes webber webber) there isnt much fat to trim here.

It also diverted back a little bit more into the theology and psychology of the setting. It dug into right and wrong and all the grey areas in between with a heavy serving of good people doing terrible things with the best of
Phyllis Griffiths
War rages on. Now on the mainland, religious civil war has descended upon Siddermark with all the atrocities and horrors that pit neighbour against neighbour, family members against each other. Crops and warehouses destroyed to keep "the other side" from getting them. The Temple's orchestration of the "Rising"is designed to crush Siddermark, followed up with attacks from their Army of God. The aim is to remove all taint of heresy and remove any threat from the Army of Siddermark being used by th ...more
May 16, 2019 rated it really liked it
These are my kind of book, tightly written, fast moving plots with frequent shifts in the action. They are also all around 285,000 words or around 700 to 800 pages! Weber's created world is interesting, and just like in his spectacularly engrossing Honorverse series, he makes the characters real to you. You begin to expect things or find things satisfying because of how they begin to become real people you'd want to know, or truly hate! There is FAR too much going on in each of these books for m ...more
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Jun 19, 2017 rated it it was amazing
Given the series it's hard to imagine that things will end up poorly once we get to the end of things.

But it's also tough to imagine how they'll succeed given where they are. Now to find #7

Lame updates as I catch up (not that the normal timely ones are terribly better...I pretty much suck as a book reviewer. LOL)
Oct 30, 2019 rated it liked it
Shelves: listened-to
This is probably more of a 2.5 star book. I will probably finish the series because I want to know how it ends, but like all the other books thus far, it desperately needs an editor that's not afraid to tell Mr. Weber his readers don't need every character's thoughts and motivations spelled out for them in detail. ...more
Oct 21, 2017 rated it really liked it
New character development, new sci-fi development, and a nice continental war campaign playing out, with tempo increasing near the end (and lulling in early parts). Nice read, left me wanting to read the next one.
Aug 17, 2018 rated it really liked it
Give me IRON

I really liked this book. There was slightly less individual action, but there was a great deal of bravery and sacrifice that moved me. Looking g forward to the next one.
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David Mark Weber is an American science fiction and fantasy author. He was born in Cleveland, Ohio in 1952.

Many of his stories have military, particularly naval, themes, and fit into the military science fiction genre. He frequently places female leading characters in what have been traditionally male roles.

One of his most popular and enduring characters is Honor Harrington whose alliterated name

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Safehold (10 books)
  • Off Armageddon Reef (Safehold, #1)
  • By Schism Rent Asunder (Safehold, #2)
  • By Heresies Distressed (Safehold, #3)
  • A Mighty Fortress (Safehold, #4)
  • How Firm a Foundation (Safehold, #5)
  • Like a Mighty Army (Safehold, #7)
  • Hell's Foundations Quiver (Safehold, #8)
  • At the Sign of Triumph (Safehold #9)
  • Through Fiery Trials (Safehold, #10)

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