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To Live Forever

3.82  ·  Rating Details ·  476 Ratings  ·  32 Reviews
Garven Waylock had waited seven years for the scandal surrounding his former immortal self to be forgotten. He had kept his identity concealed so that he could once again join the ranks of those who lived forever. He had been exceedingly careful about hiding his past.

Then he met The Jacynth. She was a beautiful 19-year-old, and Garven wanted her. But he recognized that a

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Published by Tor Books (first published 1956)
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May 01, 2016 Lyn rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Lyn’s first message to SF/F readers: Read more Jack Vance.

Lyn’s second message to SF/F readers: When reading Jack Vance, pay very close attention to the first few pages, as he will explain his wildly complicated and alien structural narrative as the story begins.

Lyn’s third message to SF/F readers: Don’t worry if you need to go back to the front and re-read to figure out what in the hell is going on.

Vance is that rarest of artful gems: a storyteller. The storyteller could describe a trip to the
Kat  Hooper
Aug 13, 2010 Kat Hooper rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: audiobook
Re-read: August 2015. Audiobook version, which comes out soon from Blackstone Audio, is excellent.

ORIGINALLY POSTED AT Fantasy Literature.

In Clarges, a city in the far future, humans have conquered death. Unfortunately, there's just not enough room for billions of immortal people to live forever, so they've passed the fair-play act which divides society into 5 phyle which must be maintained at certain population ratios. Those who choose to participate in fair-play must register in Brood, the low
Jun 23, 2017 TJ rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
"To Live Forever" was first published in 1956. The title was changed to "Clarges" in 2002 when it was included in the "Vance Integral Edition." To Live Forever, was preceded by only two other Vance novels, Five Gold Bands published in 1950 and Vandals of the Void from 1953. Of course Vance had written many short stories and even some novellas by 1956 and was an excellent writer even in his earliest works. This is the second time I've read To Live Forever, and I liked it even better upon re-readi ...more
Jayaprakash Satyamurthy
This is the first Vance novel I've re-read and it was pretty damn awesome the second time around. It is on one level a fairly typical Vance narrative where an amoral protagonist claws his way through a rigid, highly-organised society, only to bring the system crashing through and then become a space explorer.

But with Vance, the details are everything. There are the wonderful proper nouns - Vance's characters just have the best names ever - The Jacynth Martin, The Grayven Warlock and so on. His
Feb 19, 2013 Metaphorosis rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: reviewed, 2013-rev
Wikipedia quotes Floyd C. Gale as saying "frighteningly logical...[t]he sick, inbred society of Vance's imagination comes fully alive, even though his characters remain mere symbols."

I really can't say it better than that. Where most Vance work is focused on atmosphere, attitude, and of course punctilio, Clarges (previously and better titled To Live Forever), is unusual in being a fairly direct exploration of a concept. The Clarges society is tightly restricted in space, and the bulk of the popu
To Live Forever was published in 1956. Before Sputnik, before the Pill, before Vietnam. Like 1984 and Brave New World, it was one man's guess where the future might head. It reflected the extent and limits of that day's science and sociology. In that regard, Vance must be allowed whatever vision he wanted to present. It was probably radical and hip then.

At the functional level, however the story features a "hero" who is hard to like, a society which seems simultaneously repressive and ridiculous
DNF with Jack Mack
Too much world building in a short span combined with poor naming conventions. Are these the Gleeps or the Glarks? The subject of immortality tends to bore me, since I have no desire to live forever. DNF #2.
Kayla Erickson
Feb 21, 2011 Kayla Erickson rated it really liked it
Cool book. It's amazing how the main character is a murderer, but for some reason you want things to turn out right for him. What a creative idea, earning immortality by what you accomplish. Jack Vance has such vivid descriptions, and a great vocabulary.
Feb 03, 2013 Matthew rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Clarges by Jack Vance
aka To Live Forever

Clarges—previously published under the title To Live Forever—is a fantastic early standalone Vance SF novel, which speculates about a future where—seemingly beneficial—scientific advancement has held back man's potential to colonise the stars. This was perhaps the first Vance novel to really strike gold—excluding The Dying Earth which was a short story collection—and shows many of the characteristic traits which adorn his later works. Clarges is a great ex
May 20, 2008 Sue rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I have an old, beat up copy of this book, with the front cover MIA. It's a really good book that delves into power, money, and social power. It's one sci-fi book that I'd use when teaching a sociology course dealing with any of those areas.
Actual cover of my paperback edition:

Stefano Amadei
3,5 Stelle

Questo libro di Vance l'ho letto tutto d'un fiato e così facendo ho scoperto l'abilità dello scrittore, cosa che forse, se avessi avuto tempi di lettura più lunghi, non avrei potuto sperimentare.
Se ci si lascia condurre dall'autore infatti, si entra in un mondo dove, al fine di regolarizzare la popolazione globale, si sono introdotte nella macro regione che si potrebbe identificare nell'EurAsia, cinque caste. A ogni casta viene calcolata una aspettativa di vita, raggiunta le quale si v
Jul 06, 2017 Kevin rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Nothing in the novel really stood out to me. For it's time, Vance's vision for the future was imaginative, but it doesn't slope in today's society (an immortal mime? Really?) I see immortality taking the way of implanted chips that store your memories and personality. If one expires, they take that implant and shove it into the next vacant body. None of this telemetry, phone home empathy.

It's great for it's time, but doesn't meld with me. I wonder if all of this was just a prelude for having pe
Jan 01, 2017 Matus rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Fun Vance as always, though a little less colorful than many of his stories (certainly when compared with "dying earth").

(3.76/5 stars.)
Andrew Caldwell
Nov 08, 2015 Andrew Caldwell rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
One of the things I utterly love with science fiction and fantasy as genre is the way that not only is there much greater scope for story, adventure and imagination there is an increased opportunity to develop and explore ideas. Jack Vance always gets me thinking, always makes me want to stop and ask "What are the issues here?".... "Where are convergences with my world?" Vance is at his best when he is savoured. In "To Live Forever", the big ideas of population, morality, work, and striving are ...more
erjan avid reader
pretty short book.

I like the concept but the description of the society divided into 5 classes is sketchy, there should have been more details about its workings..

I actually skimmed that book - skipped some parts, dialogues.But I got the general idea and how it ends. This book has a great idea, and made me thinking about my daily job: what if I lived in this society and my every workday would actually matter to increase my life or die out?

I would hate to live in a society like that!

Short conten
Chris Hawks
Nov 29, 2010 Chris Hawks rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: owned, reviewed
Halfway though this book, I wasn't sure what to think. The main character was a nice enough guy, but also a murderous, conniving opportunist. And he's the main POV character, so it was difficult to feel much involvement in the story, because I really thought he deserved to die. It became much more enjoyable once I realized that the story wasn't about him; rather, it's a story about the downfall of a society that rations out immortality to its citizens, with the protagonist as the catalyst, not t ...more
Dec 11, 2008 Lera rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
An adventure story with just a bit too much exposition, with a predictable end. You can believe its Vance's first novel (c 1956).

He describes a future resulting from the discovery of an immortality treatment, with a rigid society structured to cope with the Malthusian implications. You may either opt into the caste system that grants a maximum additional lifespan for each successive level, or allow nature to take its course and live out your natural span without fear of euthanasia. Its never cle
Aaron Singleton
Mar 12, 2014 Aaron Singleton rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: jack-vance, sf
Clarges (previously titled "To Live Forever") was Vance's first true novel. It takes place in a far-future society in which one can earn extra years of life by achieving success in certain areas; some even earn the title of Amaranth--immortality.

The main character is one Gavin Waylock, a man with a mysterious past who doesn't seem too worried about earning extra years (called "striving") and works at Carnivale, the one place where those who strive can unwind and party. When Gavin meets an Amara
Jason Towers
Nov 24, 2016 Jason Towers rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
An early Jack Vance novel given the reverent Vance Integral Edition treatment. This one is a mashup of pulp sci-fi caper and trenchant satire. Although written in 1955 the satirical and allegorical element is particularly near-the-knuckle in the current climate of the 1%, the 'elite' and the widening gap.

Amazon's print-on-demand has given the book a cover that curls up if left in sunlight, kind of disappointing since my copy lives in Australia. Lovely understated cover art by Joel Anderson.

4 st
William Mansky
Aug 20, 2011 William Mansky rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A strange sort of reverse murder mystery where all the protagonists are immortal. Surprisingly for the era, the protagonist is not infallible or omnipotent; he's not even emotionally impervious. And, without giving too much away, love (lust, really) may not conquer all.
A story about problems that arise when humans have the ability to become immortal. In the end the author proposes a solution similar to Kraft Ehricke's extraterrestrial imperative. A decent story that asks some hard questions but the plot wasn't all that interesting.
Sep 14, 2012 Nawfal rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: science-fiction
Dystopian novel which questions fairness, class society, and the actual meaning/purpose of striving. Not a great novel, but not a bad one, either.
Apr 19, 2010 Balland rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
The main idea of the book is original but the synopsis is really disappointed.
Edwin Kort
Nov 30, 2015 Edwin Kort rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2015
Wat een verspilling van tijd was dit boek. Het sleept zich maar door en door.

Geen eeuwig leven voor dit boek wat mij betreft..

Dec 18, 2008 William rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Fascinating but tragically flawed characters.
Nov 14, 2007 Bruce rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: science fiction fans
One of the classic SF novels of the 50s that still holds up as a good read today.
Scott rated it it was amazing
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Aka John Holbrooke Vance, Peter Held, John Holbrook, Ellery Queen, John van See, Alan Wade.

The author was born in 1916 and educated at the University of California, first as a mining engineer, then majoring in physics and finally in journalism. During the 1940s and 1950s, he contributed widely to science fiction and fantasy magazines. His first novel, The Dying Earth, was published in 1950 to grea
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“How can we do this? We are told that our world is too small for men of eternal life. This is true. We must become pioneers again, we must break out into new territories! The men of old carved living space from the wilderness; we must do the same, and let this be the condition for eternal life! Is it not sufficient? When a man creates his living space and guarantees his sustenance, is he not entitled to life?” 1 likes
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