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Turms, kuolematon: hänen mainen elämänsä noin 520-450 eKr. kymmenenä kirjana

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Turms, kuolematon on mystinen ja kiehtova etsijän odysseia Välimeren piiristä vuosilta 520-450 ennen Kristuksen syntymää. Paljon nauttinut, paljon kärsinyt Turms kertoo merkillisestä elämästään. Hän syyllistyy nuoruudessaan rikokseen, jota pakenee Delfoin temppeliin ja persialaissotien meritaisteluihin. Lopulta hän päätyy isiensä kotiin, etruskien kauniiseen maahan, jonka ...more
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Published 1955 by WSOY
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Alberto Delgado
Aug 01, 2018 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Un gran libro para cualquier persona interesada en leer sobre la Edad Antigua. En este caso Waltari nos lleva hasta el siglo V antes de cristo y de la mano del protagonista del libro nos recrea de forma magistral las civilizaciones que convivían en ese momento en el Mediterráneo. Aunque el nombre del libro pueda llevar a error pensando que la historia se va a centrar en recrear la civilización etrusca. Esta novela no es tan conocida como Sinuhé el egipcio pero es otra gran novela y me deja con g ...more
Martin Švéda
May 01, 2014 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Good story, i like it, but I dislike the character of Arsinoe. I was hoping all the time, that Turms would get rid of her...
Susan
Dec 11, 2016 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: داریم
این کتاب را با شرایط خاص و وسواس فکری خاص که فقط در یک محل خاص می خواندمش و اصلا خانه نمی آوردمش خواندم.و آن محل خاص هم سه روز در هفته در دسترسم بود.و با وجود این شرایط بهم ثابت شد که اگر آدم منظم بخواند-این منظم خواندن می تواند یک روز خواندن در هفته باشد یا هرروز،فقط این که حتما انجام شود-طولانی ترین کتابها هم تمام می شوند!
درحالت عادی خواندن کتابی نزدیک پانصدصفحه از نوع رمان تاریخی و با شرح طولانی جنگها را شاید یک سال کش می دادم و آخر هم تمامش نمی کردم. ولی با این شیوه بالاخره خوانده شد.
و اما
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Zuzanna
I'm not really sure what to think about this book. Don't get me wrong, I liked it but still it is no Sinuhe, which I absolutely love. Maybe it's fault of the translation I read it in, pretty old and with some errors. It just didn't captivate me as the Egyptian. Maybe some day I'll read it in English translation just to compare...
Jan
Jun 26, 2013 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
It would great book for me if I haven't read Egyptian first....
Sandra
Nov 21, 2014 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Definitely not as good as the Egyptian Sinouhé. I remember being sometimes bored. The story is interesting, but I always compare with his little brother & get frustrated.
Daina Valeine
Jan 24, 2015 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Lasīju, nekā nesapratu, turpināju lasīt, un atkal nekā nesapratu, pabeidzu lasīt - un joprojām nekā nesapratu :) Tomēr grāmatas pasaule ir valdzinoša un stāstījums - aizraujošs. Cilvēces vēsture, tik sena un tomēr tik tuva... Ik cilvēks dzīvo savās ilgās, meklējumos un sapņos, vai tagadējos laikos, vai pirms divtūkstoš gadiem - tomēr nekas pasaulē nemainās. Klīst tikai viņš - Turms, nemirstīgais.
Dimitrios
Παρότι το βιβλίο λέγεται ο Ετρούσκος, τα γεγονότα του δεν διαδραματίζονται μόνο στην Ετρουρία (κεντρική Ιταλία) αλλά σε όλο το φάσμα του αρχαίου Ελληνικού κόσμου στις αρχές του 5ου αιώνα μ.Χ. Από τις ακτές της Μικράς Ασίας κατά την διάρκεια της Ιωνικής επανάστασης, στην Σικελία του ατέρμονου πολέμου μεταξύ Ελλήνων, Καρχηδονίων, Ετρούσκων, και αυτοχθόνων, και έπειτα στην νεαρά ακόμη Ρώμη, ο Τουρς, ο πρωταγωνιστής της ιστορίας, ζει πραγματικά τα πάντα: έρωτες και προδοσίες, φιλίες και έχθρες, χαρέ ...more
The Idle Woman
My comments on this book must be prefaced by two caveats. First, I am reading a translation from the 1950s (by Evelyn Ramsden), which I suspect would benefit from being updated. Second, it seems that this translation has drastically slashed the length of the original novel, resulting in a story that alternately drags and leaps without any real internal logic. It's hard to tell how much of my assessment is based on the unsympathetic editing and how much on the original story, so I wanted to make ...more
Tintinnabula
È stata una lettura fatta di gioie e dolori. Il volume è lungo, considerando poi che è scritto in un carattere minuscolo e la traduzione (di questa edizione) antiquata, la sofferenza del mio apparato visivo e del mio cervello era palpabile.
Queste però sono questioni non imputabili a Waltari, e devo dire che ho sempre avuto l'impressione di leggere l'opera di una persona che sapeva il fatto suo, che si era documentata e aveva un grande interesse per il tema. Eppure, era molto evidente che la sto
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Matti Marin
Nov 30, 2015 rated it it was amazing
Luin kirjan puoleen väliin joskus teininä, sitten muut asiat veivät mielenkiinnon. Kirjan alku jäi kuitenkin vaivaamaan minua vuosiksi. Muistin suurin piirtein mitä alussa tapahtui, mutta sitäkin vahvemmin muistan harmonisen kielen ja eksoottiset mielikuvat joita se minussa oli herättänyt. Palasin kirjaan uudelleen muutettuani Barcelonaan, eikä ote tällä kertaa herpaantunut.

Waltari kuljettaa lukijan läpi mahtavien ja eksoottisten maisemien. Kieli on soljuvaa ja maanläheistä siitä huolimatta ett
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Samuli
May 07, 2016 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Tahtomattaan tätä vertasi Sinuheen, jonka olen lukenut sekä lapsena että aikuisena. Paljon on samoja aiheita, vastaavia henkilöitä, outoja retkiä ja kohtalon oikuttelua. Mukaansatempaava tarina, mutta Turms häviää Sinuhelle ehkä siinä, että Sinuhen epäilys ja kohtalo toimivat uskottavammin kuin Turmsin välillä melko esoteerinen kulku pitkin ennusmerkkien polkuja.

Hieno teos ja mielenkiintoinen aihe, mutta häviää lähimmälle vertailukohdalleen yksioikoisempana esityksenä.
Hanna
Ajoittain hyvinkin kiinnostava, mutta vastapainoksi välillä puuduttava ja tietenkin pitkä kuin nälkävuosi. Sen jälkeen, kun kirjan sai loppuun saakka, kokonaisuutena se oli ihan hyvä, mutta jotenkin tuntuu ettei sitä tule kuitenkaan uudestaan luettua (etenkin jos vajaat 700 sivuiseen kirjaan saa uppoamaan pari kuukautta aikaa :P)
Zebardast Zebardast
کتاب اتروسکان درباره یک نفر به اسم ترمس از اهالی افسوس هست که در جنگ با ایرانیان در سپاه یونان بوده و معبد سیباریس را آتش زده و برای قضاوت الهی به معبد شهر دلفی می آید و خدایان او را بیگناه میدانند. بعد از آن سفرهای مختلفی میکند و کارهای زیادی انجام میدهد ،دزد دریایی میشود و در جنگ اسیر میشود و... در آخر خودش را پیدا میکند و میفهمد که یک نامیراست
Magda
Aug 22, 2012 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Even though I like Waltari's style of writing and I don't want to compere with the Egyptian, I was missing something in this book. The story and main characters are wonderful, but probably I am just simply disappointed with Turms lack of care towards his personal life in the end. However, it is wonderful reading and I definitely recommend it :)
Antonio De la rosa
I read the 1959 edition with a cover painting by Clark Hulings (see https://www.clarkhulings.com/wp-conte...)

On the cover the two main characters kiss. He, Lars Turms, an etruscan Lucumon on the path of self knowledge. She, Arsinoe, cruel, capricious, selfish and even false but not evil, merely a reflection of the goddess.

If you (reader) take that into account plus the deep rouge of her lips on the cover, it will be easy to imagine what the selling point of the novel was (at a time without Int
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Tex-49
Ambientato intorno al 500 a.C., dalle coste dell'attuale Turchia alla Sicilia e quindi a Roma ed infine all'Etruria, questo è un romanzo d'avventura per la trama e le varie peripezie del protagonista (a dir la verità poco credibili), storico per l'ambientazione (a dire il vero interessante) fra le popolazioni italiche preromane e fantasy, per l'intrecciarsi continuo fra la vita materiale e quella spirituale, grazie ai continui ricorsi all'intervento degli Dei, che spesso risolvono situazioni per ...more
Pekka Mukkala
Nov 06, 2018 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Waltarin yksi pääteoksista on massiivinen, mielenkiintoinen, välillä vaikeaselkoinen, mutta myös huumoria sisältävä teos. Turms matkaa ympäri Välimerta ja osallistuu erilaisiin historiallisiin taisteluihin ja tapahtumiin. Waltari on mainio tarinankertoja ja hänen tarinoillansa on aina jokin viite johonkin syvällisempään elämään liittyviin tapahtumiin. Käytin lukiessani wikipediaa, googlemapsia ja Antiikin käsikirjaa, mitkä kaikki auttoivat hahmottamaan tarinan kulkua. Waltarin historialliset fak ...more
Matina Grol
Jun 26, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I really liked the atmosphere of the book and all the details on life during the Persian Wars. The places Turms visited played an important role in this captivating story, and, since I like visiting places...this book really travelled me through time and space!
Luboš
Nov 13, 2018 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: fiction, history
Chvíli mi trvalo, než mě to vtáhlo. Člověk se nevyhne srovnání s knihou Egypťan Sinuhet a to se srovnat opravdu nedá. Nicméně od četby obou knih mě dělí několik let a určitě i jiná nálada, ve které jsem to četl.

Musel jsem si vzít na pomoc slovník. A hodil by se i historický atlas.
Tomi
Jun 01, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Mahtava kirja, taattua Waltaria parhaimmillaan!
Ray
Mar 30, 2018 rated it liked it
Somehow did not manage to submerge into the story in similar way than with Waltari's earlier historical novels.
Marcos Marin
Aug 31, 2017 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
It's amazing how Mika Waltari can immerse you in the ancient world, the story is just amazing and it will make you want to cry, run, hit someone. It's THAT good.
Angela Di Bartolo
Jul 21, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Affascinante, a volte enigmatico. Forse meno avvincente del più famoso Sinuhe l'Egiziano, ma più maturo e profondo, con un mix singolare fra sacralità e sensualità e con personaggi sfaccettati e contradittori. Linguaggio scorrevole ma a tratti "alto", solenne e poetico. La storia di una ricerca di se stesso e insieme la storia di un amore, in un contesto storico poco frequentato dai romanzi: quello della civiltà etrusca e di Roma nei primi anni della Repubblica.
Gea
Mar 12, 2017 rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Waltari oma tuntud headuses.kellele ta meeldib, ei pea teps mitte pettuma. on poliitikat, sõda, armastust ja müstikat.
SethMantel
Nov 27, 2016 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Having read the whole thing now, I would say that this is one of those that has to be read to the very end to truly know if it was worth it. Of the three Mika Waltari books I have read, this would be a firm bronze medalist, which is not saying much, since the other two are five-stars. If I were the "sole supplier", or the only one between two conversation partners that has read the book, I would not have as much to say about it as I would about the other two.

Earlier I thought that, given Waltari
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Victor Carson
Another very good book, written in 1956, from Mika Waltari. Although the period of history, roughly the 5th century BCE, is not as significant as the history covered in The Egyptian or The Roman, the book does cover the period of the Persian invasions of Greece, the conflict between the Etruscans and the Romans, and the early rivalry between Carthage and Rome. I like the lead character, a man who does not know his origins and wanders from Ephesus and the other Greek cities to Sicily, and finally ...more
Louisa
Nov 14, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: historical
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Gabriel
Jul 20, 2012 rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Great descriptions of the various ancient cities where the protagonist is wandering with places and people vividly displayed; it is one of those historical-fiction where you actually feel walking along with the characters and don't even realise how the time passes.

The story of Turms is intriguing, adventurous, fast-paced action on some parts and with interior reflection, philosophical themes approached on other parts, but not exaggerated.

The main character has a pronounced characterization; he i
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Janne Paananen
Turms lähtee liikkeelle verkkaiseen tahtiin, kiihtyy mukavasti luettavaksi matkakertomukseksi ja lässähtää kovasti loppua kohden. Parasta antia kirjassa on henkilöhahmojen suuri ristiriitaisuus ja kaksinaamaisuus. Mutta eri valtioiden poliittisen kuviot on kerrottu todella pitkäveteisesti ja miten onkaan Waltari onnistunut tekemään sota- ja taistelukohtauksista näin tylsiä! Parhaimmillaan kirja yltää Sinuhemaiseen aaltoiluun Turmsin onnistumissa/epäonnistumisissa. Vahinko, että hyvä alkuasetelma ...more
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Mika Toimi Waltari was a Finnish historical novelist, best known for his magnum opus The Egyptian.
Waltari was born in Helsinki and lost his father, a Lutheran pastor, at the age of five. As a boy, he witnessed the Finnish Civil War in Helsinki. Later he enrolled in the University of Helsinki as a theology student, according to his mother's wishes, but soon abandoned theology in favour of philosoph
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