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Put aside everything you thought you knew about Neanderthals. Evolutionary detective Danny Vendramini's meticulous research shows they were not docile omnivores, but savage, cannibalistic carnivores: the 'apex predators' of the stone age. And everything else - including humans - was their prey.

Vendramini's Neanderthal predation theory argues that the evolution of modern hu
Paperback, 313 pages
Published 2009 by Kardoorair Press
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Sep 21, 2013 rated it it was amazing
I read this book twice in three days, I finished it in one night and then re-read it over the next day in between reading as much other scientific material as I could about anthropology and human origins. What I can say is this: even though Vendramini is not a scientist trained in the field, he clearly demonstrates his competence and command of knowledge about the field. His basic theory being that the unique and atypical traits that set humans apart from all other primates are the result of an ...more
John Montagne
Sep 08, 2018 rated it really liked it
Almost 5 stars, personally I think it does rank 5 stars for ingenuity. I have quite an extensive library concerning the neanderthals and have some background in paleoanthropology. In other words, the subject has always fascinated me so my opinion may be bias. But I think the author provided a fresh look at a lot of subject matter concerning the Neanderthal that is not touched by the mainstream historians and archaeologists, often because it is taboo or just not PC to consider. The book puts fort ...more
Jonathan Brookes
Jul 10, 2014 rated it really liked it
Years ago, back in the early 1970s, during the UFO-craze, when "Chariots of the Gods" was a bestseller, I read a book titled ”Mankind - Child of the Stars”. The premise of that book was that modern human characteristics (physical, emotional, sexual, etc.) are so different from the rest of the great apes because humans did not evolve directly from a common lineage. Rather, said that book, humans were tinkered with, tampered, our genetics altered by an alien race that visited our planet thousands ...more
Sep 21, 2013 rated it liked it
Interesting book. from a readability perspective highly recommend it. from a scientific perspective take it with a grain of salt. Vendramini postulates an interesting theory on Neanderthal predation and the effect that it had on our paleolithic ancestors. Its very compelling. He accuses the scientific community, the media and the public of falling in love with the anthropromophisation (is that a word?) of the Neanderthal, that they looked and acted like us. However he falls into the same trap as ...more
Danny Vendramini presents an interesting hypothesis here, and he really got me hooked at the start. His theory is that Neanderthals and homo sapiens were caught in a predator/prey battle for thousands of years, and that is how we, homo sapiens, evolved the way we did. Vendramini breaks down each aspects of the pre-modern humans' lives, and how the Neanderthals could have changed humans when they were the major predators. He also goes into how Neanderthals possibly looked more like gorillas than ...more
Dec 29, 2010 rated it it was amazing
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Wow! This book is only discussing a theory, but man does it make so many things make so much sense. This to me is more believable than the Bible in explaining our origins in my opinion. I now look at the world a little differently, and I can really start to understand my own fears and reactions to certain situations more, as well at other peoples, coming from the angle this book discusses. Well worth the read, and I highly recommend it.
Dec 07, 2012 rated it it was amazing
Very interesting book. The NP theory throws a new light on the ancient history.
I was inspired by this book. I learnt a lot, also about our culture and the way of mankind.
I strongly recommend reading this book.
Mike Ormsby
Nov 27, 2011 rated it it was amazing
Excellent speculative analysis! This would make a great TV doc.
Deandra Stephanos
Dec 04, 2014 rated it it was amazing
I love anthropology. This book is about Neanderthal Predation Theory ... Loved it!
Jay Ames
Feb 13, 2015 rated it liked it
Interesting extrapolation, but in the end I walked away unsatisfied since the entire thing is built on conjecture upon conjecture. It was fascinating though.
Luke Muller
Oct 31, 2012 rated it liked it
Not very believable, but Neanderthals hunting us to near extinction makes for a crazy story.
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Danny Vendramini was born in Alice Springs, in the Australian outback. He had successful careers in a number of fields - as a theatre director, TV producer and award-winning film director and scriptwriter - before turning to evolutionary biology.

As an atheist and Darwinian scholar, Vendramini's work is anchored in evidence based research and deduction, but ultimately it is his artistic imagination

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