I sat down at my computer tonight intending to write about general writing tips, but thought I'd breeze over to Twitter first, just in case I was missing out on ground-breaking news. Like, you know, Borders filing for bankruptcy. I could wax poetic on my feelings on that subject, but since I'm an author and a reader, I figure my stance is probably pretty obvious. But back to the subject at hand. Before starting this post, I swung by Twitter and discovered a link to a blog Lilith Saintcrow wrote in September 2006 on why the hard sell doesn't work. She gave several excellent tips on breaking into the publishing industry, and if that's your goal, I'd highly recommend reading the entire post. Here's a link. One part of her post in particular stood out to me, and I'm going to quote it here:


“Publishing is really a small business. You never know when the person you’re rude to on a convention panel or in an elevator at a trade show may hold the power of life or death over your wee manuscript in the future. It’s best to be tactful and interested in other people at cons and shows, not to mention writer’s group meetings.” --Lilith Saintcrow

 

Publishing is a small business. Simply put, everyone knows everyone. Instead of the “Six degrees of Kevin Bacon” we play the “Six degrees of Julie Strauss-Gabel.”

 

But back to writing tips. Since I turned SILENCE in to my editor last week, I've been playing catch-up with my email. One of the most popular questions I'm seeing is some form of this: “I'm an aspiring author and I was wondering if you could share tips on writing and breaking into the industry?”

 

This is a tough question to answer. I always feel like I need more information before I can give a solid answer. Often, I want to write back with a few questions of my own. Are you an aspiring author with a seed of an idea, or do you have a finished manuscript? Are you part of a critique group, and have the members given you feedback on your manuscript? Do you know what a query letter is? (It's fine if you don't, it just means my answer will be different.) Do you have an agent?

 

Regardless of the answers to these questions, I think there is one piece of advice that is universal, no matter where you find yourself on the path to publication. And that is: be nice. Be courteous. Be generous. As Lilith Saintcrow says, Be tactful. Be interested.

 

Be humble.

 

Let me tell you a story. In the weeks leading up to HUSH, HUSH's publication, I thought reading early reviews of the book would be helpful. Or maybe I didn't even think that. Maybe it all boiled down to simple curiosity. But whatever the reason, I frequently visited Goodreads and Amazon, determined to learn what people thought of my book. As you might expect, there were glowing reviews, mediocre reviews, and scathing reviews. One particular review that fell into the latter category caught my eye. I stewed over it for a few days, and eventually forgot about it.

 

Fast forward several months. An email arrived from an editor asking if I'd be interested in reading a manuscript. If you're two steps ahead, you might have already guessed that the author of the manuscript was none other than the author of the scathing review I had, up until this point, forgotten about. The editor introduced herself and made the comment that her author adored HUSH, HUSH and would love if I'd read her book with an eye toward writing a blurb. It was an awkward situation, to say the least. In the end, I did the only thing I felt appropriate: I laughed it off, then politely informed the editor I was swamped and unable to read the manuscript, but thanked her for thinking of me.

 

You might think I turned down reading the manuscript out of revenge or to give the author the finger, so to speak. I hope I'm not that petty. The reason I decided not to read the manuscript was because I wondered what would happen if I did read it...and loved it. What if I sent the editor a handful of glowing words, and she decided to stick them on the front cover of her author's book? Would the author love having my praise splashed on her cover? Probably not. In the end, I decided to take the higher road and let the author breathe easy. (It didn't slip my mind that the ultimate revenge would have been making sure my name got on the cover of her book. But again. Higher road. Always the better path.)

 

Interestingly enough, this once-aspiring author didn't limit her somewhat rantish reviews to HUSH, HUSH. She'd made quite a habit of belittling authors' books along the way, and I suppose it comes to no surprise that, as far as I know, she was never able to find an author to blurb her book. This isn't to say an aspiring author can't be honest when writing reviews, but if your goal is to be published, it might serve you well to drop the books you don't love, and talk up the ones you do. You don't have to love every book, every time. But I think a bit of courtesy in saying, “This wasn't for me, and here's why,” says volumes about you as a reviewer and a person. No one wants to start their career surrounded by nothing but a lot of burned bridges.

 

Whether you believe in karma, the Golden Rule, or the old saying, “What goes around comes around,” all have stood the test of time. If you want agents, editors and authors to respect you, take the first step. Extend kind words. Talk up books you love. Be polite and respectful at conferences. Attend author book signings. All of these things will go along way.

 

So, yes. That's my writing tip of the day. Be nice.

 

 

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message 1: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Wirth I love this post! I have to say (first that I LOVE your books) that I actually feel bad when I don't like a book. I try to give honest reviews and ratings, but I also live by the "if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything". Sometimes I think it could be my mood, or the fact that I have a more anticipated book on deck but the one I'm reading is due to the library first, whatever the reason I think its important to acknowledge that whether its for you or not, the author poured their heart and soul into it, so yes, be nice. Great post! Have a happy Thursday!


message 2: by Gigi (new)

Gigi Hudson I absolutly agree with this.
If i don like a book I will always try to explain WHY. And normally I will be able to find at least 1 point about it that I liked.


message 3: by Eman (new)

Eman Such a simple tip with great power


Donna (Jaevenstar) Becca - very well said. This is great advice going beyond just the writing world, too. It is ok to not like a book, but you still need to be respectful about it.


message 5: by Stella (new)

Stella Becca: I have been saying this for ages and I'm glad others think this way as well. There are too many people out there especially in this industry that do and say heinous things about people and things and then expect to get over. This industry is far too small to have a chip on your shoulder or be all around rude and mean. Sadly because this industry is run largely by women, we are subject to the cattiness, power plays, cliques and feelings of entitlement that some people seem to use as a badge.
That's why no matter what I'm always trying to be nice, helpful and respectful even in the face all the underhanded bruhaha.

As to the reviewing... because I AM an author, I don't feel its my place to slam anyone elses hard work publicly, but there have been times that when I LOVE a book I will review it because it DOES help the author out. It upsets me that so many bloggers-turned-authors still think its acceptable to snark on books and give hellish reviews. What they fail to realize that they are alienating their now contemporaries and all that's going to do is cause a rift between people that shouldn't be there. Bottom line, if I don't like a book I just don't say anything and I'm also not the kinda author that will blow sunshine up your butt.You ask point blank if I liked it, I'll tell you straight up, but I wont ever publicly post about it. its just being mean for means sake, and there's already far too much of that going around.


message 6: by Kogiopsis (new)

Kogiopsis You know, reviewing is a form of writing. Critical reviews- both positive and negative- in which the reviewer breaks down the book and figues out what works and what doesn't can be useful to them on a personal level, because it hones skills they can use in revision on their own works. Negative reviews are, to my eye, better for that than positive reviews- you're not swept up in a wave of love for the story and characters, so you can take a step back and look at it more closely. So there's that in favor of negative reviews.

But if just writing them is useful, why post them to sites like Goodreads? I see a lot of commenters- usually acting like trolls, it should be mentioned- who ask those who write negative reviews why they even bothered. This is my answer: If you don't come out and honestly, publicly say that you hated something and WHY, you are twisting the market information that aspiring authors will see. Knowing the market is one of the tidbits of advice I've heard repeated over and over from published writers, but I think it goes deeper than that: you need to know not only what's being published but how it's recieved and, if it gets criticized, why. Learn not only from your personal mistakes but from the mistakes of others.

I do think this is good advice, but I think it's too general. Ad hominem attacks are out of line; negative reviews are necessary. Not recognizing that in this blog makes me think maybe Ms. Fitzpatrick is reacting to some negative reviews she's read lately... if so, I'm inclined to agree with Hellion.


message 7: by Katie(babs) (new)

Katie(babs) Why would the soon to be published author want a blurb from you when they disliked your work? It would make more sense if they searched out an author who they have a high opinion of and want their blurb over yours since they didn't like your book.


message 8: by Ridley (new)

Ridley Without negative reviews, positive reviews are meaningless.


message 9: by Pam (new)

Pam Victorio Awww look, high school-ish click clubs just never die out do they?


message 10: by Shannon (new)

Shannon Ridley wrote: "Without negative reviews, positive reviews are meaningless."

Hear, hear. To say we should only review books we loved would do a huge disservice to this site. There would be no point in reading any reviews because every book would have 5 stars. That's why there ARE stars! It's disgusting to think that authors don't want people to be honest about their feelings and criticisms. A negative review should only make you work harder, or, if that review is so far off base, just ignore it and go about your day like a big girl.

I'd like to point anyone who's interested in what another author thinks to this post:

http://www.ilona-andrews.com/2011/01/...

I swear I'm posting that link all over the place today, but really, it's my favorite view of an author on this subject. And you know what? She's also a member on here, and I've seen her give 1 star to a book. We all read crappy books from time to time. Some of us even get angry about it. But we write our review so our friends and peers can see how we felt, and then we move onto the next book we can get our grubby paws on, hoping it will be better than the last.


message 11: by Lincy (new)

Lincy Cybelle I get your point. I think you mean, be respectful, whether you like something or not. Anyone can get something out of a thoughtful review of their work, whether the reader liked it or not. But when someone simply enjoys slamming it....not so much.

But hey, whatever the case--bottom line is, your publisher loved it. And it's out there to be reviewed.


message 12: by Cory (new)

Cory Apparently, we're supposed to be supportive and loving because she spent hours--yes hours--working on that which is known as Hush, Hush. If I spent my money on it, I'm going to say whatever I want about it. Especially if it sucks.

What is this, 1984 or Fahrenheit 451?


message 13: by Vi (new)

Vi Vi Uh, no Fitzpatrick. Sit yourself down. ALL the way down.

This is a thinly veiled scare tactic and sorry, NOBODY is having it. If I think your work sucks, I will say it, and I will say it proudly - and I have the right to if I paid my hard earned money on what ultimately not only turned out to be deeply unsatisfying, but incredibly troubling.

On top of having mediocre writing, your books are a never ending parade of rape-glorification and slut-shaming. And you DON'T think people are going to speak up?

But really, this is a really annoying trend I see from a lot of YA writers. So much fucking whining about bad reviews - as long as there've been writers and artists of all kinds, they've had to endure criticism, some nice, some not so nice, some downright mean. Fucking SHAKESPEARE had people heckling him - what the hell makes YOU so special?

Get over yourself, suck it up, and be glad that you're in the position where lots of people all over the world CAN read and review your work. For God's sake.


message 14: by [deleted user] (new)

Normally I don't post in online discussions such as this. But, I'm going to break my own rule for today. Day in and day out I see people that seem to think that posting an online scathing trashy review is actually expressing your opinion. How odd that in a post where the person is saying 'be nice' some folks choose to be so rude about their opinions. Here is a clue folks; the ruder you are about your opinion the less likely you are to be taken seriously.

Look nobody is saying you can't have your opinion. If you all read the blog entry above, Mrs. Fitzpatrick CLEARLY says so and even suggest one way to do it. Everyone should you have an opinion but you should express it in a way that would be a benefit to the author, and her/his work. Nobody ever learn from flattery alone. However, when you use a scathing way to express your opinion it becomes extremely difficult to identify your real issue with the book. Try treating others the way YOU like to be treated. Do you want to read a bunch of insults about your work? Or would you prefer to points of characterization and plot that made the book not such a fun read? Try seating yourself in the receiving end of the review and stop proclaiming to the world your right to say whatever you like. Yes, we all get it you, and everyone else has freedom of speech, but having it doesn’t mean that you have to be rude about your opinion. Try being tactful and respectful and I can honestly say that your opinion may end up being one of the most important reviews that the author may have received.

Again, express your opinion in a way that we can all identify the controversial, failing or weak points of the books. It help others to later determined if the book could be right or wrong for them based on the things you said. However, when you launch personal attacks towards the author, and do a healthy trash of the book the review becomes laughable and in all honesty not worth to be taken seriously. So yes ‘be nice’ so authors can understand what could be the weakest points of their books; and where do they need to improve. Because by telling them that they suck, don’t know how to write, or that they have a hidden agenda you insult them and quite honestly it says more about you, than about the book.

Don’t expect to burn everyone with your words and get compliments in return. Life doesn’t work that way.


message 15: by Lucy (last edited Feb 27, 2011 02:09PM) (new)

Lucy Ann, Fitzpatrick never specifies what qualifies as scathing so your assumption that they're incoherent bursts of directionless negativity is pretty groundless. Since she's talking about a reviewer who went on to write a cohesive book that was good enough to get published I'm willing to guess that the reviewed book was read critically. Obviously, Fitzpatrick couldn't handle that.

What Fitzpatrick called for here was for people to censor their reviews to please her vanity. As an author she should be particularly ashamed of this. Reviews, negative or positive -- one hundred words long or one thousand are valid because it was how someone thought and felt after reading what she wrote.


message 16: by Angela (new)

Angela Ann wrote: "Everyone should you have an opinion but you should express it in a way that would be a benefit to the author, and her/his work. "

Just wanted to address this - I don't write reviews for authors. I write them for other readers. People that may have the same taste in something as me. Someone that is looking forward to a book and may end up being just as excited, or disappointed, as me.

If I didn't like something, I am going to say it. I always try to explain why I didn't like something, the same as I do for something I liked - and if that helps the author, then great. But it's not for the author. That's not my purpose in writing it. In my opinion, that's not the reason for any review.

Something to help the author would be a critique - and I've done these as well, many times - which is a much more detailed thing from me.

@The Holy Terror - that blog post from Ilona Andrews is perhaps one of my favorite author posts on this subject ever.

@Ridley - Just gotta say, I agree: Without negative reviews, positive reviews are meaningless.


message 17: by [deleted user] (new)

Does it really matter how many points she gave to the book? I don't think so. I also see no point where she says she's superior to anyone else. The point I clearly see is that the person who had writen the review lied about her appretiation for the author's work. How is that being nice and honest. It puts the author in a very uncomfortable position because it's a massive conflict of interest that with either outcome it reflects very negative on her character. Taking the 'high road' was about the only choice I see there. However, the experience should serve those who want to be published as a lesson: It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

I think people greatly missed the mesage here. This isn't a post about negative reviews. This is a post of advice to those who wished to be published. You want to be published? Don't burn bridges before you get there. If you must write a negative review do so tactfully and respectfully. Honestly that is great advice that needs to be heard. The only way someone would feel hostility after reading this is if readers see rude and scatching as the only way to express a negative opinion about a book.


message 18: by Kogiopsis (new)

Kogiopsis First of all, what we know is it's the editor who said the author loved the book- there's no way to tell if it was the editor's idea to lie or the author's. I frankly doubt it would be the author, if they genuinely disliked Hush, Hush that much. Which means that the dishonesty lands squarely with the editor and marketing department, not with either author. Fitzpatrick, interestingly enough, didn't consider this fact.

Yes, this is a post of advice about getting published, but it is also a post about negative reviews. And in that respect it's expressing what seems to many readers an immature attitude towards them. The people who are hostile in reaction to this are those who write reasonable, critical reviews and feel dismissed by Fitzpatrick's rather pithy phrasing.

She also suggests dropping books that you don't like, which is frustrating to people who make a point of finishing such books for the express purpose of writing critical, reasonable responses.


message 19: by Lucy (last edited Feb 28, 2011 05:30PM) (new)

Lucy I want to requote everything Anila said and add an 'amen,' but I'll settle for agreeing with her.

By suggesting you drop a book if you don't like it she is essentially telling reviewers to keep their mouths shut and move along. Since most of these novels range between 15-20 dollars that's a lot to dispose on books you may or may not be able to complete.


message 20: by Cory (new)

Cory Ann wrote: "Does it really matter how many points she gave to the book? I don't think so. I also see no point where she says she's superior to anyone else. The point I clearly see is that the person who had wr..."

Just wondering, where are the mean reviews of Hush, Hush? I've seen honest reviews, people telling how disgusted they are with this book. But never anyone personally insulting the author.

Maybe you don't see the point. Fitzpatrick is whining because people are pointing out the rape culture that's she enabling and romanticizing with her books.


message 21: by [deleted user] (new)

This isn't to say an aspiring author can't be honest when writing reviews, but if your goal is to be published, it might serve you well to drop the books you don't love, and talk up the ones you do. You don't have to love every book, every time. But I think a bit of courtesy in saying, “This wasn't for me, and here's why,” says volumes about you as a reviewer and a person. No one wants to start their career surrounded by nothing but a lot of burned bridges.

I'm quoting this part because again and again the point of the author keeps on getting missed. Drop the books you don't love. Absolutely! Why oh why with so many wonderful books to read should you must gripe and whine about the ones you don't like? Why spend so much time on something that simply wasn't for you? Toss it and keep on going, folks life is way too short by spending it surrounded by negative thoughts and things. It wasn't your cup of tea? How about donating the book to the library, or to a shelter? Maybe it wasn't your cup of tea, but it can be of entretainment for someone else that direly needs an hour of escape or laughter.

If you *really* want to write a negative review then go ahead. The author does not say no don't do it, on the contrary she says to do so but says to 'be nice', tactful. However, think about how you want others to perceive you. Do you want a complete stranger to look at your history and see most of them as a string of negative views? If that's okay with you, then carry on. But if you want to be published then perhaps that is not the way to go.

As for the rape part I'm not going to discuss that. See no reason too. First it would be putting words on the author's mouth and assuming. Doing either it makes me feel uncomfortable and simply stearing on the wrong direction. It seemed clear to me that the author is giving advice to aspiring authors, not readers.


message 22: by [deleted user] (new)

*aspiring authors* Apologies for the omision.


message 23: by Kogiopsis (last edited Feb 27, 2011 07:49PM) (new)

Kogiopsis a) I've heard a lot of people say "life is too short to read bad books", which seems to be your argument, Ann. My response is "books are too important to ignore the bad ones". And I believe I mentioned above that if we only review positively, we are messing with market statistics and misrepresenting readers to aspiring authors who are looking at what sells and how it's recieved. This isn't to say that others can't enjoy books that some don't; far from it. The point is that writers and publishers need to know what's not working and for whom.

b) Personally, my average rating on Goodreads is over 4 stars, so I'm not worried about someone looking at my history and seeing only negative reviews. And some things need to be criticized flat-out, bluntly; portrayals of heroes who act like rapists but are stated to be the heroine's 'true love' are, IMHO, one of those things. If saying so will keep me from getting published, then I'm frankly not sure that this is an industry I want to be published in; I'll write for myself and make my living elsewhere. But I don't think that writing negative reviews will keep me from getting published, and I don't think that writing only positive ones will help me. And the way I'm reading it, this does seem to be Fitzpatrick's assertion.


message 24: by Ridley (new)

Ridley Jesus, Ann. Is publishing a business or a youth sports league where everyone gets a trophy?

Academia seems to be okay with peer review, so why so many twisted knickers in the fiction world over author written reviews?


message 25: by Ceilidh (new)

Ceilidh So what's your policy on reviews that discuss problematic content in YA, like a scene where the heroine is sexually harassed in a room full of people who do nothing but bait him on? Or stalking being portrayed as acceptable if it's done by a 'sexy bad boy'? Or rape culture being portrayed as romantic? Or a scene where a girl being held against a bed involuntarily by a man who says he wants to kill her, then who kisses her, being portrayed as romantic? Or an entire book which centres around a psychotic wannabe murderer who gets a happy ending with the girl because he's the designated love interest and his actions are never punished or put in the negative light they should be put in? Or defining your female antagonist in terms of her sexuality, calling her a slut at every opportune moment and making sex the enemy for teenage girls? Is it considered not being nice to discuss these issues being ignored or portrayed falsely in fiction aimed at teenage girls? Just wondering what your thoughts are on that, or if you'll take the 'high road' on it.


message 26: by Cory (new)

Cory I'm sorry. Maybe I'm being to hard on Fitzpatrick. *sarcasm*

Honestly, I wonder if you want to email Goodreads and ask them to remove the 1,2, and 3 star features. It would save a lot of rich published authors a whole of tears at night.

My average review rating is somewhere like 2.45. If it were above 4 something would be wrong. You're bound to read books you don't like, and not rating and reviewing them is stupid. Why would I put a book down that I didn't like if I bought it, then refuse to review it?


message 27: by [deleted user] (new)

Thank you Lindsey, I was beginning to wonder if anyone out there read that entry the same way I did.


message 28: by Lucy (last edited Feb 28, 2011 03:11AM) (new)

Lucy Ann, Lindsey - I want to know what you think about professional reviewing of books. What do you think about the book review section in the New York Times? Should they be nicer when they come across a bad book? Should they play ball with authors who take cheap shortcuts or books full of over written purple prose?

No one is being 'put down' here. A published work is being read critically and reviewed accordingly. This isn't fanfiction.net where you ought to say something constructive about everything, no matter how bad, because the writer is putting themselves out there in the hopes of improving what they do. These are reviews of PUBLISHED works writeen by people who PAID for the books. Lindsey, you don't think it's slightly over the top to say you're going to have to live with yourself for laughing? This isn't third grade and you're not laughing at someone's sneakers! The author is NOT eight years old. These books were legitimately edited and someone decided they were suitable for publishing. God, Fitzpatrick decided that when she started querying agents.

Seriously, what is it you think about professional film and book critiques? Big meanies? They serve no purpose in society clealy. When an author writes trite, cliche, plot-hole galore, repetitive, anti-feminist garbage they should get an A for Effort. It's not like you paid for the experience of reading it, except you did and not just with money.

We can dislike books without being threatened by the author or condesended to by her fans.


message 29: by Lyndsey (new)

Lyndsey When you put money and, more importantly, time into something that you didn't like, you have every right to vent about it. If you were given absolutely terrible service at a restaurant, would you not say something to the manager or write it down on a comment card?

No one is saying that we agree with personal and brutal attacks on the author themselves, but the published work is fair game. Well thought-out critical reviews are certainly preferrable to pure negative scathing ones, but not everyone has the same exact idea of what is a "critical" review.

Everyone is different and everyone has the right to express their opinion, whether someone else thinks it is nice or not. "Nice" is a pretty vague term, in fact. Especially, if you watch The Office and know the kinds of things Kevin uses it for.


message 30: by Lyndsey (last edited Feb 28, 2011 04:33AM) (new)

Lyndsey And even by making jokes, a lot of people are just trying to make the best of what they thought was a really bad situation. Isn't that all most of us want - to make the best of life? Everyone has different ways of doing this. For some it's a critical review. For some it's making light of the subject.


message 31: by Lucy (last edited Feb 28, 2011 05:05AM) (new)

Lucy The point is we shouldn't be in a position where we have to justify rating a book one star. The fact that through comparative reading it was our judgment call ought to be enough. We shouldn't be in a position where we feel threatened when we express why we disliked a book. It's wrong and the idea that a published author is advocating this sort of censorship of ideas just blows my mind, even now days later.


message 32: by Lyndsey (new)

Lyndsey Completely agree, Lucy. In fact, I think you nailed it with the word "threatened". I think that's why we are reacting so strongly, even if we have never personally attacked the author themselves. We may attack the ideas within the book or the way they are presented or just the characters within. But when we are told not to do this, we feel our personal opinions are being threatened.

And that, my friends, is how all good dystopian stories begin...


message 33: by Lucy (new)

Lucy Correct me if I'm wrong but neither Lindsey-with-an-i nor Ann have actually read Hush, Hush or anything else Fitzpatrick wrote so you guys have no idea why most of us think it's a book worthy of negative reviews?

Look guys, just read it and then, with an open mind, try reading some of the one and two star reviews. I'm pretty sure you're going to agree with several of the points made in those reviews. You can rate it four or five stars to "be nice" or you can give it what you honestly think it deserves when held up to the light against some of your favorite novels.


message 34: by Ceilidh (new)

Ceilidh Maybe we should have more YA authors reviewing books honestly without fear of burning bridges or being mocked in self satisfied blog posts. I fail to see how it could be a bad thing for anyone, regardless of their position, to call out problematic areas in teenage fiction, especially if it's a prevailing trend that's seriously damaging, like rape culture and slut-shaming. One shouldn't have to feel threatened or uneasy about voicing genuine concerns because the author's talking about good karma. I also think the comparison of a published author and adult being criticised for their work to a child being bullied on the playground as insulting. Bad reviews aren't bullying (of course I don't condone personal insults against the author - if you need to resort to such behaviour in your review you're not worth the readers' time), but making veiled threats about good karma and being 'nice' are bordering pretty close to blackmail at worse and unprofessional smuggery at best. I'm not saying Fitzpatrick needs to go out and respond to every review out there (I think GoodReads should be a safe haven for reviewers, especially since Amazon is policed like mad) but if she really wanted to take the high road on this, she never would have written this post.


message 35: by Lyndsey (new)

Lyndsey I don't know about the rest of you but in all honesty, I completely detected an unspoken "Or else" after the phrase "Be nice". Be nice or else. Or else you won't get published. Or else your hypothetical future novel won't be taken seriously. Or else.

Just an observation.


message 36: by Vinaya (new)

Vinaya Uh, can I also get a little indignant here on Lilith St.Crow's behalf? Fitzpatrick has just gratuitously extrapolated from a blog post that talks about something else completely and decided to act like St.Crow is legitimizing her plea to "Be Nice". Lilith St.Crow's post is about new authors who are so busy hard-selling themselves that they forget to be courteous to people in the industry. This is not the same as Fitzpatrick's post, which is threatening talking about reviewers who publish negative reviews.

Also, Lindsey, I think your child analogy is completely off the mark. You would do better to think of an analogy involving a job, because that's what Fitzpatrick's books are. A job. Are you trying to say her colleagues should "be nice" when she does her work so badly that it brings down the performance assessment of the entire team?


message 37: by Joyzi (last edited Feb 28, 2011 05:44AM) (new)

Joyzi Geeeeeezzzsh, Becca this post screw big time, if I were her I'll delete this post. There's just something wrong with this blog being posted in a website wherein we review books.


message 38: by [deleted user] (new)

So we don't have the right to review books and give our honest opinion on them if it isn't "nice"? Wow, I expected this from fangirls, but from an author? Not good.


message 39: by Joyzi (last edited Feb 28, 2011 06:20AM) (new)

Joyzi We have the right to review books however we should do it nicely because we might encounter that author we have given a negative review and she might take revenge, you know, thus you won't be published. It's like "You hate my work, screw you, I won't help you be published. Nyahahaha!"


message 40: by [deleted user] (new)

Joyzi (littlemissya) wrote: "We have the right to review books however we should do it nicely because we might encounter that author we have given a negative review and she might take revenge, you know, thus you won't be publi..."

LOL, utterly ridiculous. This, a site where people review and discuss books, is the last place i'd expect to find this blog.


message 41: by Joyzi (new)

Joyzi Yep this is social suicide, I really recommend that she will just delete this post, this has gotten so many users upset...


message 42: by Cory (new)

Cory Wow, I'm still like this O_o at that child on the playground analogy. So being a published author who gets PAYED to write is equivalent to being a child on the playground? And when that published author is critiqued, that's equivalent to getting teased and bullied? Sorry, but that analogy makes no sense.

Please, remind me about the money I'm lifting off the poor bullied kid. Because you know, I'm getting nothing from writing my reviews. You guys can say it's mean, but in the end Fitzpatrick and co are walking off when thousands in their pockets off of people who call this stuff literature.

I wonder about the intelligence of certain people when they can't see the difference between bullying and critiquing. I could have spent that money helping starving children. I think every time I think about buying a book that romanticizes rape, I'll donate to a charity. That's a much more worthy cause.

I'm so sorry you think I'm a bully. Because last time I checked, a bully had power. Who has the power here? Me or Fitzpatrick? Think about that.

You can dislike a book respectfully without being cruel about it. That is all she’s saying!

What do you mean by this anyway? What's the right way to write a negative review? Can you please link to a nice negative review? Or is there no such thing?


message 43: by Joyzi (new)

Joyzi Agree with Cory, read between the lines and you'll find that this has disturbing contents


message 44: by Lucy (new)

Lucy What's making me so sad is watching her fanbase climb as a result of this post. She's promised if you kiss her ass enough that when you get an agent she might toss you a three to seven word sentence.


message 45: by Ridley (new)

Ridley Well congrats, Lindsey, you're the first person to descend into ad hominem and obscenity in this thread.

Says a lot about your position, really.


message 46: by Cory (last edited Feb 28, 2011 08:38AM) (new)

Cory So writing a negative review makes you a shitty fucking person. Well, you've started the name calling. I believe that you are now bullying us and trying to play the victim. That's not very nice and you've breached internet conduct in my book.

Maybe you should rethink you outlook on life if you believe that we're being mean to you. Nice that you've done that shit. So, has writing negative reviews prevented you from being published?

In italics is your words Lindsey, not mine.


message 47: by Lucy (new)

Lucy Um Ridley was literally saying that by swearing a lot it said a lot about your position in this conversation. I don't think any judgment was made on you as a person. No one's attacking you, Lindsey. I recommended you read Hush, Hush and then read a few of the one and two star reviews to see if they were fair or not. Right now you're commenting a lot to defend an author you don't really know all that much about unless your goodreads account is not up-to-date on your Fitzpatrick reading. If it is I apologize.

In all seriousness, I don't think you're going to read it and think 'these are the life lessons I'd really love my twelve and up year old daughter to take froma book.'


message 48: by Ridley (new)

Ridley Oh, and you know me personally right? You have physically come over to my home, sat with me, had a conversation with me? Funny, I have no clue who you are! I would prefer if people don't really know me don't talk as if they do. Thank you!

...and this says all anyone needs to know about the "only write nice reviews" camp.

Epic, just epic.


message 49: by Lucy (last edited Feb 28, 2011 08:59AM) (new)

Lucy Lindsey Oh, and you know me personally right? You have physically come over to my home, sat with me, had a conversation with me? Funny, I have no clue who you are! I would prefer if people don't really know me don't talk as if they do. Thank you!

Ridley: ...and this says all anyone needs to know about the "only write nice reviews" camp.

Epic, just epic.


Honestly, just thinking the same thing. The biggest supporters of this 'be nice' business are people who haven't read Fitzpatrick's books and who believe karma lurking around the corner with a mallet is the only worthwhile incentive to be a good person.


message 50: by Lucy (new)

Lucy Lindsey, you're rabidly defending a book you didn't read and reviews you didn't read. You're defending a blog post where the author is pro-censorship of other people's thoughts and opinions in favor of the remote possibility of career advancement. Maybe you need to read everything, sit back and think about it, and then return when you at least have a wider understanding of the topic on hand. I get that you think a negative review equals horrible karma. I think an author advocating censorship of any variety is ironic, sad, and probably worth her weight in the sort of karma you describe.

I just don't know how you can want to live in the sort of world where people play nice even about things they think are bad. Strong feelings are what make life worth living, be them positive or negative. I think first you've got to pick up a copy of 1984 to get an indepth literary idea of censorship and then perhaps a copy of The Giver to get an idea of a world without strong feelings, good and bad.


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