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Mar 21, 2021 01:51PM

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Agreed. I think both Edmund and Fanny were good conversationalists.

When I last read it again - maybe last year or within the last two years - I just focused on watching Fanny's steadfast integrity , and I was impressed, indeed.

The rushed ending of MP proves that the romance aspect was not the point. However, if you found the ending unsatisfying or if you indeed want to see that Fanny can make mistakes too, may I suggest my novel, Fanny, A Mansfield Park Story which begins after Chapter 44 and takes the story in a different direction (the one suggested by Austen at the end of MP)

:-)

You mention above that many have fallen to a "pretty face" -- but that Edmund doesn't seem the type. I wonder if he's not precisely the type to fall (and fall hard) for someone like Mary Crawford. Mary is more than pretty; she's clever. Her faults are not of understanding, but of conviction, and I think Edmund believes he can "fix" that fault in time. The irony, of course, is that Mary is hard at work trying to "fix" Edmund by making him more like her ideal man. Both Mary and Edmund see in each other what the other lacks (for Edmund, a quick wit; for Mary, a grounded-ness and stability that she's always lacked).
Also, I think it's worth noting that Mary really does love Edmund, in her way; there's really no reason for her to chase him, given her dowry and his position in life. Perhaps Mary, like Henry Crawford, are both driven by the vanity of believing they can shape others to fit their own ends. (In this respect, I've never understood why readers are more inclined to forgive Henry, or to believe Henry should end up with Fanny, than they are to forgive Mary for wanting Edmund. It seems to me both Crawfords are essentially the same in this regard -- only Mary is less vain, less selfish, in my mind, than Henry.)
(Despite my harsh views of Henry Crawford, I'm very much looking forward to seeing what you do with him in your new book, Amelia!)
Back to Edmund, though: he may not be a hero, but I do love him because he was the first person in the Mansfield household to recognize Fanny as a person worthy of conversation, respect, and love. (And, perhaps aside from Fanny's brother William, Edmund might be the first person in the world to recognize her as worthy.) He's not as strong as Fanny, but he's wise enough by the end of the novel to recognize it. And for this reason, I love him (I'm also in a partnership where I am not the better half!) and hope for the best for Fanny and Edmund both. :-)
Thanks again for the thoughtful post!

I completely agree with you that Mary genuinely loves Edmund, though I don't know that she wants to "fix" him so much as she expects him to change his intended profession out of love for her. She wants him to choose her over ordination, while he expects her to accept his profession because of her love for him. I mean I don't think she really wants to change his personality so much as he wants to change hers.
I don't blame Mary for wanting Edmund at all, I think it's to her credit especially given that she could have used her considerable charm and fortune to go after Tom, the heir. (But her vanity was a little at play here - she was perhaps a little offended that Tom went off so soon after meeting her rather than stay to get to know her better.) So as far as I'm concerned there's nothing to forgive with regard to Mary. I just don't think she is well suited to Edmund and I don't think they'd be happy together at all. Maybe she is less vain then Henry. Maybe. But less selfish, I'm not so sure about that. Sure, she was willing to marry Edmund for love even though he wasn't rich, but she had her own money and Henry was willing to marry the penniles Fanny. So I don't consider it unselfish that she was willing to marry Edmund especially given how selfish it was for her to expect him to change his profession. And of course her wishing Tom dead is the extreme of selfishness. As far as vanity, again, she expects Edmund to love her so much he just changes all his life plans for her. I totally agree the Crawfords are basically the same. They seem to have the same set of values. The only difference is in loyalty to the aunt vs. the uncle.
As for my book, I do hope you will enjoy it but ... *SPOILER ALERT*:(view spoiler) .
Also agree with all your comments about Edmund. He is an amazing, nuanced, complex character, as they all are in this book.

First, thanks for putting up with my responses to your very thoughtful analyses of Mansfield Park! I hope I wasn't too combative in my post. Who knew Mansfield Park could make me so passionate? :-D
Second, the beauty of writing variations is that we can take those what-if moments (like the one Austen hints at near the end of Mansfield Park) and turn them into a new tale. In the process, new characters (or new takes on old characters) emerge. So, I'm still eagerly looking forward to what you do with the Crawfords, Edmund, and Fanny!
Great points all around about the Crawfords and Edmund. Thanks for such insightful conversation!

There are a lot of variations out there but not everything is for everyone. I hope you will let me know what you think of the book once you've read it.
Thanks for such insightful conversation!
Same.

One feels for Fanny of course, and the exquisitely painful irony of having Edmund openly moon over Mary to her, regarding Fanny as a sister (while Fanny longs for him as a lover, etc).
It's similar to Elinor Dashwood having to listen to Lucy Steele bang on about Edward Ferrars (though Lucy does it deliberately to warn off Elinor, as in 'Mitts off sunshine, I got him first!')