Marcel Kuijsten

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Marcel Kuijsten is Founder and Executive Director of the Julian Jaynes Society. He has published three book on Julian Jaynes's theory of the origin of consciousness and the bicameral mind, which was recently featured on the HBO hit series "Westworld":
Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind: The Theories of Julian Jaynes,
The Julian Jaynes Collection , and
Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory Revisited.

He is co-editor (with Prof. Brian J. McVeigh) of The Jaynesian, the newsletter of the Julian Jaynes Society.

Learn more about Jaynes's ideas and sign up for the Julian Jaynes Society mailing list at julianjaynes.org and connect on Facebook facebook.com/marcel.kuijsten and Twitter twitter.com/MarcelKuij
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Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory To Be Featured on Episode 3 of HBO's "Westworld"

Don't miss Julian Jaynes's bicameral mind theory being discussed on this Sunday's episode of the HBO series "Westworld"!

Also, the season finale (Episode 10) is titled "The Bicameral Mind."
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“A Jaynesian understanding of consciousness and its implications for rhetoric also helps explain the deep distrust of rhetoric that emerges at the same time rhetoric itself does. From the first writings overtly discussing persuasion as a civic art, we also see attacks on rhetoric as a practice that disregards the truth, can make what is bad seem good, and has an uncanny power to enrapture an audience. One of the best examples of this sort of skepticism is in Plato's dialog The Menexenus, in which Socrates describes the effects of hearing a speech praising the virtues of Athens. Although he knows that much of what the speaker says is exaggeration and distortion, Socrates says he felt himself transported to another realm — an "out of body" experience that affects his very perception of the world around him. The usual understanding of this sort of allegation about rhetoric's spellbinding power over an audience is that it is simply a poetic description of the sensation that we all experience today: the ability of powerful words to move us in unexpected ways, ways that often go beyond the logical or didactic. But I suggest that if Jaynes is right about the time frame for the development of consciousness, such descriptions by rhetoric's critics may be less poetic than usually thought, and much closer to the actual experience of early audiences of the relatively new art of rhetoric. If full consciousness in Greece emerged only after the Homeric era, would we not expect that for several generations after its advent, the power of language would indeed seem mysterious, almost mystical? Wouldn’t there continue to be a collective social memory of language as something that came from the gods? I suggest that the early apprehension about rhetoric’s near magical powers are not simply metaphorical amplifications, but descriptions of how audiences, only lately emerging from a bicameral world, would have experienced hearing an orator with the ability to artfully use language to move them.”
Marcel Kuijsten, The Jaynesian: Newsletter of the Julian Jaynes Society

“There is no distinction made by the child between subject, action, and object because for him they are effectively all the same — he is the locus of the action, both its subject and its object at once.”15”
Marcel Kuijsten, Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory Revisited

“Completely unrecognized is the whole presumption of this saying according to which individual body parts could possess independent volition and as such can inform (sway/direct) the acting of the whole body. Even more seriously — the presumption that self-mutilation can stop or somehow influence higher mental processes. Even the person who is not a trained psychologist or psychiatrist can recognize that we are dealing with a seriously pathological state of mind. I am inclined to believe that gospel sayings represent atavism — a regression to older stages of development. It is one of the vestiges of development of modern consciousness. This is an example of physiological metaphor which never made it through the whole process to unification of consciousness. On the contrary it remained stuck somewhere in stage III. In this stage physiological hypostases represent internal stimuli and are starting to create internal spaces where metaphored action can occur. In this position they hypertrophied unable to move into the next stage of unification into one consciousness. Already at the time of recording in the gospels this saying was perceived as anomalous. Luke, the most educated and refined of synoptical authors, preserved the immediate context, but edited out most of the peculiar parts concerning disseminated volition and self-mutilations. Further and broader contexts which may be mentioned and discussed: other Greek and Hebrew physiological and anatomical metaphors; the popularity of a metaphor of the body for structuring and functioning of society in Hellenism; the ancient practice of religious self-mutilation; the potential for facilitating our understanding of brutish penal codes or modern self-mutilations.”
Marcel Kuijsten, The Jaynesian: Newsletter of the Julian Jaynes Society (Vol. 3, Issue 1)

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Jan Rice At some point I mean to write a little review of The Origin of Consciousness..., which I read so long ago. I also have Incognito, which another friend mentioned earlier, but haven't read it.


Ana-Marija Hi, Marcel.
Thank you for the friend's request, I look forward to following your updates.
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George Thank you very much for adding me, Marcel. You've got a rather breathtaking list!


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Mike Thanks for adding me, Marcel. I look forward to reading your stuff.


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Diana Hey M.~ Thanks for adding me to your astounding list. Looks like I have some new things to look up... :) D.


Alexandra thank you for adding me.


Cristian Thanks for adding me as a friend. I'm currently reading "The Origin of Consciousness...", which I see you're an expert on, and I'm quite fascinated.


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Deepa Thanks for your friendship :-)


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Marcel BLACK wrote: "HELLO MARCEL, I SAW YOU ADDED THE BOOK "INCOGNITO", I WANT TO READ IT TOO.

I LIKE "NEUROSCIENCE" BOOKS, LIKE THE ONE I HAVE JUST FINISHED READING: "ICONOCLAST". I THINK IT MIGHT INTEREST YOU!

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Thanks for the recommendation!


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BLACK CAT HELLO MARCEL, I SAW YOU ADDED THE BOOK "INCOGNITO", I WANT TO READ IT TOO.

I LIKE "NEUROSCIENCE" BOOKS, LIKE THE ONE I HAVE JUST FINISHED READING: "ICONOCLAST". I THINK IT MIGHT INTEREST YOU!

GREETINGS FROM MEXICO!


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Martha Dinh Hello Marcel, thank you for your invitation!


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Natalie Hi Marcel, thank you for adding me as friends, I look forward to chatting with you. :)


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Maureen Rue Thanks for the friend invitation. Your book looks really interesting!


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Marcel Amanda wrote: "I think you're my book soulmate! lol... I want to read everything you've read!"

Hi Amanda...I just saw your post... I recommend starting with Julian Jaynes.. Let me know what you think! : )


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Amanda Rollins I think you're my book soulmate! lol... I want to read everything you've read!


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Goran989 Thanks for the friend request, you got some interesting books there :)


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Jesse Hanson I do appreciate very much, your including me here, Marcel. Best wishes in all. jesse


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Louis Great to be added as a friend. I'm curious about sharing my reading interests.


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Abben Thanks for adding me as a friend. I think I've finally discovered the little corner of goodreads I had always hoped existed.


 ♥♥Mari♥♥ Hey, there! Thanks for addng me as a friend!

Your shelves are full of highly interesting books!! And you're the editor of a second book on the bicameral mind! Fascinating! (As Mr. Spock would say. Lol.) : )


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Bryan Strangethings Moss Wow! I need the revisit on JJ: Bicameral Mind! So cool.


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Laura Watts-Ruth sexy mind, sexy face. ooh la la. :)




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Cassandra Kay Silva I see you have a number of books regarding the subject of "consciousness". I would be interested in reading something about this subject from a more philosophical and/or scientific view. I noticed your rating for both the user illusion and the breakdown of the bicameral mind. Which of these two or is there another you would suggest on this topic for someone just getting into this subject? And yes I did see that you are the editor of one of these but I would still like to know if that is a good place to start, or if another book would be a better background to begin with.


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Ilyn Ross Hello Marcel,

Thank you for joining the Happy & Brainy Group. I included "Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory Revisited" in the group's bookshelves. I wish you good fortune on your endeavors, especially this book.

When you have the time, please check out the author giveaways (Reason Reigns is listed).


Warmest regards,

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Ilyn Ross Good morning, Marcel. Thank you for being my friend.

When you have the time, please check out the Happy & Brainy group.

Have a great day!


Ilyn


Tajsha Thank you for adding me as your friend :-)


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