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Dream sequences were cool the first four or five time. At this point, they're waaaay over played. Original? This book? LOL people are so funny.
Sep 26, 2011 10:39AM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 783 of 835
Even Jon, author's darling extraordinaire, has zero agency. He's just pushed around by secondary (two-dimensional) characters for plot purposes.
Nov 10, 2011 06:44PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 763 of 835
finishing this POS this weekend. Writing up all my quote-rants will take a while after that, and the actual review will come after all those... it's going to be a while. but at least I'll be done soon.
Nov 10, 2011 06:09PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 702 of 835
BTW, the most common cause for dwarfism is a dominant allele. Sooooo in all likelihood, Tyrion is not his father's son.
Nov 10, 2011 11:58AM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 667 of 835
It's like an accident on the highway - I don't want to slow down and stare, but I do. How does this book stay so consistently terrible?
Nov 09, 2011 04:20PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 618 of 835
Just realized that reading praise for this book makes me actively angry. Dayum. This review is going to be a doozy. I almost want to finish the book sooner so I can vent my rage.
Nov 08, 2011 05:29PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 618 of 835
Well, the good news is that this book got me through my homework for Monday pretty well. I'm going to reward myself by reading something good during the week. Something like, oh, Red Glove.
Nov 06, 2011 09:52PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 594 of 835
Dear Mr. Martin: we get it. Men have penises. Now, would you please stop talking about 'manhoods'? First of all, it's a stupid euphemism; second, it has no place in the context of your story whatsoever.
Nov 06, 2011 07:25PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 517 of 835
We get it, seriously: the blood of the First Men flows in the veins of the Starks. WE GOT IT THE FIRST SIX TIMES YOU SAID IT. WITH THAT EXACT PHRASING.
Nov 06, 2011 12:51PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 514 of 835
Call 911; George R. R. Martin is axe-murdering the fantasy genre!
Nov 05, 2011 08:25PM
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Kogiopsis
Kogiopsis is on page 501 of 835
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT. Mr. Martin, when I have HATED a character as much as I hated Viserys, I should enjoy his death. Instead, it makes me distinctly uncomfortable - not because you did something good, in making him three-dimensional and thus someone whose death I would regret, but because you wrote it so FUCKING BADLY. ALSO CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW SICK THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DANY AND DROGO IS? I LOATHE THIS BOOK.
Nov 05, 2011 07:37PM
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message 1: by Cory (last edited Sep 26, 2011 12:36PM) (new) - added it

Cory I'm impressed. You've gotten pretty far. When you write your review (if? PLEASE?) can you tell me what all these characters want? I've asked but so far no one has given me a clear, straight answer (my wiki-research failed as well).


Marie Cory, do you mean the characters' motivations? Because, as far as I recall, they don't really have any in particular.

Oh, I so look forward to a review! Do you know, I can't even remember any of the dream sequences? Clearly, an effective device. ;)


message 3: by Cory (last edited Sep 26, 2011 12:58PM) (new) - added it

Cory Marie wrote: "Cory, do you mean the characters' motivations? Because, as far as I recall, they don't really have any in particular. "

Yup.

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You mean they don't have goals? That they work for? And this shit is more than 800pgs long? Why do people like this? The more research I do, the more it looks like a glorified fanfiction soap opera.


Marie I know! It took me awhile to identify it as why I had so much trouble with it.

Well, usually they have some goal per scene, say to survive or whatever. But most of the people with long-term goals don't have view points yet. Like the ones who want to take over the kingdom. (Unfortunately, that's not a spoiler, though if it had been, the story might have been more engaging.

You might have something with the soap opera.


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Cory I like soap operas to a certain extent. Watching them that is. But in book form -- when it's hailed as the greatest fantasy novel of all time and nominated for the hugo and the nebula and it won the locus? Fuck no. Why? Can't candy garbage just get acknowledged as candy garbage? Not great literature.


Marie I think that's just what happens when the elitists like books that aren't 'literature', so they have to make up reasons to *justify* why they like it. Which is a sad state of affairs.


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Cory Marie wrote: "I think that's just what happens when the elitists like books that aren't 'literature', so they have to make up reasons to *justify* why they like it. Which is a sad state of affairs."

Probably so. *sigh* If this just owned up to being junkfood, I wouldn't mind. But there are so many better fantasy novels out there without this claiming to be the next LoTR.


Kogiopsis I agree with pretty much everything that has been said.


(THOUGH WTF HUGO AND NEBULA FOR THIS? NO JUST NO.)


I'm definitely going to write a review when I finish, never you fret. And it is going to be most pointed and critical and vicious.

Right now I've got two theories: one, that Martin didn't really know what the arc of the whole series would be and so pitched only the first book or three, maybe, and since his editors didn't know what the whole thing was going to be they weren't able to effectively edit. (Seriously, someone armed with a red pen could do wonders for this book.)
Two, that he doesn't understand the idea of starting as close to the action as possible, and that at least the first, if not the first several, of these books is just a big prologue to the actual culmination of its several plot lines, making it 90% extraneous information.


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Cory Anila wrote: "Two, that he doesn't understand the idea of starting as close to the action as possible, and that at least the first, if not the first several, of these books is just a big prologue to the actual culmination of its several plot lines, making it 90% extraneous information. ."

That's probably it. I know a lot of fans have told me to read through because it gets better around book three. I'm sorry, but I don't have the attention span for that. It's like telling someone to read the first four HP books because it gets better around book five. Or that you have to read *shudders* The Two Towers because Return of the King is bomb. Or *loud ear shattering gasp* watch the Star War prequels before a New Hope. I can't submit myself to that kind of torture.

And I can't wait for your review. Seriously though, what have the Hugo and Nebula come to? Next it'll get nominated for the pulitzer. And, when he becomes a brit, the booker.


Kogiopsis If it wins any of those awards I will lose faith in the committees of all of them.

I've heard the 'it gets better around book three' but that doesn't fly at all. If it gets better around book three, can I just start with book three? And if book three is the beginning of a decent story but I can't start with it, why the fuck not?
*eyeroll* Fan justifications.


Marie If it gets better around book three, can I just start with book three?

Exactly! I think it's why I enjoy well-done abridged books more than the original. And you can't usually blame the editor because if the manuscript sells, there's not time for that scope of work--but the attempt shouldn't have been made as far as it was for I Am Not A Serial Killer.

So when/if Martin finishes his series, I look forward to reading the condensed version. Maybe it'll be repackaged into a movie or something, and that might work too.


Kogiopsis That may be why the tv show seems to be viewed as so much better.

Confused by I Am Not A Serial Killer reference - what did you mean by that?


Marie Have you read it?

It's probably personal preference but (view spoiler) I'd heard it attributed to over-enthusiastic editing.


Kogiopsis I have not, but I know the vague parameters of the twist. Hmm. That's kind of what I thought you meant but wasn't sure. Good point, anyhow. Over-editing can be just as bad as under-editing.


message 15: by Lina (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lina Cory wrote: "I'm impressed. You've gotten pretty far. When you write your review (if? PLEASE?) can you tell me what all these characters want? I've asked but so far no one has given me a clear, straight answer ..."

I could probably answer that if you told me which characters you want to know about: the POVs I'm assuming?


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