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Quote PG: "My favorite historian is probably Alison Weir, who is so accurate and so detailed." Excuse me whilst I roar with laughter. Yes, if you say so, Weir, who is an amateur historian and at best a starting point in research not a definitive authority, and who often makes mistakes and omissions, is an "accurate" and "detailed" historian. Sure.
Mar 16, 2011 05:37AM
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" 'Nothing but our deserts.' Hmmm, what does it say about an author who did a PhD in English Literature and doesn't know the difference between a desert, the arid sandy landscape, and a dessert, a sweet dish served after dinners and the subject of the idiom "one's just desserts"?!
Mar 18, 2011 02:50PM
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Mar 18, 2011 11:21AM
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"Richard declares that the marriage between the queen, Elizabeth Woodville, and King Edward was never valid as Edward was pre-contracted to another lady before he married Elizabeth in secret. He declares all their children bastards and himself as the only York heir." Major exposition dump. Where Penman takes the trouble to write an actual scene, all the big historical events in PG books occur offstage in expo dumps.
Mar 18, 2011 10:10AM
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"Amazingly, Edward gets to London without a single obstacle in his path, the gates are thrown open for him by the adoring citizens, and he is reunited with his wife, as if he had never been chased from his own land, running for his life" The events of a hundred pages in Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour reduced to a one-sentence exposition dump.
Mar 18, 2011 09:48AM
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" 'We have to fetch Henry,' I say to my husband, Sir Henry" Clunkiest sentence ever. Man oh man, PG really needs to learn how to write better than this.
Mar 18, 2011 09:47AM
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Mar 18, 2011 02:49AM
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Isis is on page 129 of 382
PG p[aints herself into a corner again by writing as 1st person Margaret Beaufort's POV, meaning that after having heard about the action through endless messengers, in this chapters we finally awkwardly switch out to 3rd person to convey a battle that was beyond Margaret's experiences. Here's a tip for PG - if you're writing Hist Fic, write in 3rd person to avoid this very situation!
Mar 17, 2011 06:20AM
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"as if to brush away smuts from the fire" I'm having a flashback. It's like I'm reading The Queen's Fool all over again...
Mar 16, 2011 03:50AM
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And we launch straight into the Joan of Arc worship from page 1. Ever notice how you can tell exactly what PG's characters will be harping on about throughout the entire book because she always slaps you in the face with it on the first page?
Mar 16, 2011 01:58AM
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Oh joy, PG claiming she's a historian again on the back cover. I see the family tree has been corrected (in TWQ Edmund Tudor was apparently married to Henry VI!)... or almost corrected, now it no long shows the marriage between Edmund and Margaret Beaufort. So not looking forwards to this. I think the Melusina drinking game for The White Queen can be swapped in The Red Queen for the Joan of Arc drinking game.
Mar 15, 2011 12:17PM
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Misfit Most of us rubes in the states still think she is a good historian. I've finally learned better, but the general belief is well in place.


Isis Ironically, for the longest time I didn't know any better either. I happened to pick up Weir's book on Eleanor of Aquitaine when I was 12 years old - lol and I remember my father tried to read it but couldn't because it was so factual and dry - and over the following years I actually ended up with quite a collection of Weir books. It's only been in the past four years or so, since starting and doing my degree that I discovered that Weir was not in fact a professional historian, a qualified academic, but had actually started out as an amateur. Then people started pointing out to me the few occasions where she's actually made mistakes or been fooled by the sources or omitted something, and I began to think "oh dear..." So, nowadays I have a much revised opinion of Weir's works. I still think she's done an incredibly detailed and thorough job for an amateur - very impressive - but I'm very cautious now when reading her works, and I always take care just to use her books as jumping off points for further research and not as definitive or the last word.


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