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Can someone please explain to me how you can give 1-star reviews to EVERY book in a series? If you hated Book 1, and you hated Book 2, why continue reading Book 3, Book 4, Book 5, and BOOK 6?! WHY?!

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Apr 11, 2012 07:31PM

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message 42: by Karla (new)

Karla You got me!! Doesn't make any sense at all. I wouldn't even consider continuing, unless they have a vendetta against the author for some reason.


message 41: by Jim (new)

Jim If I hate page 1 or page 2, I don't get to page 3... :)

But I have to say, I appreciate the reviewers who take the time to warn the rest of us about what to avoid. Of course, the trend is pretty well in place after book 2 or 3...


message 40: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Jim wrote: "If I hate page 1 or page 2, I don't get to page 3... :)

But I have to say, I appreciate the reviewers who take the time to warn the rest of us about what to avoid. Of course, the trend is pretty..."


Yeah, I totally appreciate the reviewers on GR that save us from god awful books, but this person obviously has an agenda. I can understand giving an author the benefit of the doubt even if you weren't crazy about the first book, but at a certain point it's just ridiculous


message 39: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Karla wrote: "You got me!! Doesn't make any sense at all. I wouldn't even consider continuing, unless they have a vendetta against the author for some reason."

Exactly! Thank you. It has to be personal, but they make it so obvious.


message 38: by Skyla Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books (last edited Apr 11, 2012 08:54PM) (new)

Skyla Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books I feel bad not finishing a series. I wasn't a huge fan of "The Maze Runner Trilogy" and gave all the books 1 or 2 stars but at the same time they drew me in and I had to know what happened in the end.

I hated them but they intrigued me and kept me reading and I would totally recommend them.

feel like when I start a series I ahve to finish it even if I hated it. I have given up on some series though (Hush, Hush. Fallen. House of Night.)


message 37: by Jim (new)

Jim Amber J. wrote: "Yeah, I totally appreciate the reviewers on GR that save us from god awful books, but this person obviously has an agenda. I can understand giving an author the benefit of the doubt even if you weren't crazy about the first book, but at a certain point it's just ridiculous. "

Complete agreement, Amber. I put my time into more pleasant pursuits - most of my review ratings are really high because I pick and choose at the front end, and reject quickly as I read if they don't grab me.

Just too many great books out there for me to put time into the others. But, it's their time and their choice, and I am okay with that too. Just please, let's not go to war over a book...


message 36: by Jim (new)

Jim Skyla (Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books) wrote: "I feel bad not finishing a series. I wasn't a huge fan of "The Maze Runner Trilogy" and gave all the books 1 or 3 stars but at the same time they drew me in and I had to know what happened in the end"

Skyla, that makes perfect sense to me, and I think we should all develop our own approach and follow it. I want to check out that trilogy as well. But I also find that a book may work for me on one occasion, and hold no interest on another. The mood of the moment is a big factor for me.


message 35: by Amber J. (last edited Apr 11, 2012 08:51PM) (new)

Amber J. Skyla (Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books) wrote: "I feel bad not finishing a series. I wasn't a huge fan of "The Maze Runner Trilogy" and gave all the books 1 or 3 stars but at the same time they drew me in and I had to know what happened..."

But I respect that, because your ratings varied and they were based on your honest opinions, and you walked away from series you couldn't stand, which are things a normal person would do. I just don't understand why someone would hang around for SIX books that they hate just to give them ALL 1-star reviews


Skyla Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books @ Amber. Out of curiosity what series is it?

@ Jim. "The Maze Runner Trilogy" is good if you like post-apocalyptic/dystopia type things and are okay with very strange slang and being kept in the dark for like the entire series about stuff. I was confused by pretty much everything until the last few chapters. It was so worth it to find out the secrets but it was annoying waiting to find out what the secret was =)


message 33: by Jim (new)

Jim I agree, Amber. Not too good for author-reviewer relations in general. I have no taste for the fight.


message 32: by Jim (new)

Jim Skyla (Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books) wrote: "@ Jim. "The Maze Runner Trilogy" is good if you like post-apocalyptic/dystopia type things and are okay with very strange slang and being kept in the dark for like the entire series about stuff."

Thanks, Skyla. I definitely like dystopia, and the slang is fine, but being kept in the dark doesn't sound so good. I will check out your reviews and some others on this series - pretty sure I have at least the first one in my collection.

Lovely talking to both of you! Let's do this again soon!


message 31: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Jim wrote: "I agree, Amber. Not too good for author-reviewer relations in general. I have no taste for the fight."

It just seems like a fight is okay when an author unjustly attacks a reviewer, but when it's the other way around, all we hear are crickets lol


message 30: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Skyla (Happy Go Lucky and Lost in Books) wrote: "@ Amber. Out of curiosity what series is it?


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message 29: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Series OCD. It's a bitch to deal with. Moreover, ebooks are non-refundable and I buy them in bulk come sales time. To me, it feels worse *not* reading them than reading them and 1-star rating all of it.

Beside, no matter what rating system I go by, someone always going to complain. I'm too harsh of a critic. I'm not harsh enough.

Why can't I write a review to explain my rating, because if the series is not to my liking why am I continuing with it? Why can't I shut my big mouth and just simply rate, because if I don't have anything nice to say why say it at all?

I'm rating all these books five-stars, I must be spamming for the author. I'm rating all these books one-star, I must have a vendetta against the author.

I'm not nice if I'm always low-rating a book. I'm not honest if I'm always high-rating a book.

I'm stupid for liking this book. I'm stupid for hating that book.

My belief is this: how ever you rate, as long you're not gaming the system, it's your own business. Not mine, not anyone else's. Everyone uses GoodReads differently, as long they're not breaking the site's ToS, live and let's live I say.

Another possible reason is if the final book suck, then it can ruin the entire series. All time and money spent on the series and not getting a satisfactory ending... makes for a very pissed-off reader.


message 28: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Amber J. wrote: "It just seems like a fight is okay when an author unjustly attacks a reviewer, but when it's the other way around, all we hear are crickets lol"

Authors are professional, readers aren't. That's why. Businesses attacking consumers — not okay. Consumers attacking businesses — kinda acceptable. Encouraged if you're an Occupy protester.

If you're interested, there was discussion about it at DearAuthor: http://dearauthor.com/argolinkroundup... Author Maya Banks brought up that same point in her comment, comment #18. The rebuttals are enlightening.


message 27: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Experiment BL626 wrote: "Series OCD. It's a bitch to deal with. Moreover, ebooks are non-refundable and I buy them in bulk come sales time. To me, it feels worse *not* reading them than reading them and 1-star rating all of it."

When people make sense, it always takes the wind out of my sails lol :(
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What you're saying is true, but in this case I'm probably so upset about it because I feel like they are "gaming the system" - there are still two books left in the series that haven't even come out yet, and I bet this person will 1-star those too.


message 26: by Experiment BL626 (last edited Apr 11, 2012 10:44PM) (new)

Experiment BL626 Amber J. wrote: "When people make sense, it always takes the wind out of my sails lol :("

Happens to me on many, many occasions. I can empathize.

I saw those reviews and I'm disinclined to believe that is the case. Seems more like the books are released but their GoodReads data is incomplete. Plus, I can't really blame those readers. Because if I do, then I should also blame my YA-reading friends who hate Cassandra Clare's books and post about their dislike in their review-space. If I can't hold my friends against that, then I can't hold it against strangers. =/


message 25: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Experiment BL626 wrote: "If you're interested, there was discussion about it at DearAuthor: http://dearauthor.com/argolinkroundups/t... Author Maya Banks brought up that same point in her comment, comment #18. The rebuttals are enlightening."

Wow. I didn't realize you could buy reviews and Twitter followers. But I did read that comment, and most people seem to have responded by saying whether it's the author going after the reviewer or vice versa, either way the author is in a better position to defend themselves. But I think it depends on the author. Some authors have a legions of fans that will swoop down and attack a reviewer or blogger, but most don't.

I'm not saying we should police ourselves, but by not saying or doing anything about these shady reviewer practices, we kind of legitimize those crazy random author Tweets that rail against GR


message 24: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Experiment BL626 wrote: "Because if I do, then I should also blame my YA-reading friends who hate Cassandra Clare's books and post about their dislike in their review-space. If I can't hold my friends against that, then I can't hold it against strangers. =/"

But why can't you ask your GR friends why they do that? I read the first few chapters in COB and I knew TMI wasn't for me. But I think she's already onto the second trilogy in the series, so if your friends are still reading and complaining, isn't it fair to ask them what's their deal?

I gave her Infernal Devices series a try and I like the first book, so it's possible for an author to redeem themselves in your eyes. And if you realize after you've already started a book that you hate it and want to lol the rest of the way thru it and write whatever kind of review you want, that's fine. But when you keep on coming back to the same series of the same author, knowing full well what you're getting, then it looks like you just want to hate on them.

I'm not trying to talk you out of your opinion, I just feel that sometimes there's a double standard. But your right, I can't talk people out of behaving a certain way, and maybe I don't have the right to try. It just kinda sucks :(


message 23: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 I feel the opposite. I believe most authors do have a legion of fans. Authors attacking readers we take seriously because authors are businesses. What kind of a business attack their customers? Readers attacking authors, we don't take it seriously because readers don't have such a big power that authors claim we do. Even the most popular reviewers don't.

One of my friends, who's a top reviewer here on GoodReads, wrote an article about this issue: YA Authors VS Internet Bloggers/Reviewers - Why everyone should just listen to me.
Though clearly, we could be affecting your book sales. I definitely have the influence and pull to stop the flood tides of those who would otherwise be determined to purchase your novels. This is EXACTLY why Cassandra Clare is living in a box on the street with a cardboard sign saying she'll write fanfiction again for food...

No wait. She has publishing contracts, money and fans out the wazoo. But how? I'm so influential! And popular! And funny!

Well, authors, it seems this one's wrong too. I'm just a little fish in a pond most people don't know exists. I have as much effect on your book sales as I do on what you had for breakfast this morning. My fellow bloggers and online reviewers are pretty much in the same boat.

—Kat
I'm not saying grudge reviews are completely acceptable, but I am saying readers' antics should be approached differently than authors' antics. Those authors who tweet-rant against GoodReads are often the unprofessional, unpleasant sort. They can't get it through their thick heads that they're a business and they should act professionally even when a few of their customers don't.


message 22: by Experiment BL626 (last edited Apr 11, 2012 11:43PM) (new)

Experiment BL626 Amber J. wrote: "But why can't you ask your GR friends why they do that?"

...when you keep on coming back to the same series of the same author, knowing full well what you're getting, then it looks like you just want to hate on them.


Because it's not my business. They're not breaking GR's ToS. I hate it when people tells me what to do and how to spend my money, why should I do the same with my friends? I'm a believer in "treat others how you want to be treated." And you're right, there is a double standard: authors — the professionals, readers — the mass.

I know, it does kinda suck when people don't behave as you wish they would, but as Marilyn Monroe once said, if I can't handle my friends at their worst, then I sure as hell don't deserve them at their best. (GoodReads quote)


message 21: by Kat Kennedy (new)

Kat Kennedy A good friend of mine read all of the Fever Series and HATED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

And what was worse was that she read them and constantly updated with angry rants.

Every time I saw one I was like...

fuck you!

And then she started reading Marchetta and hated it as well - which was enough to cause mini implosions in my head.

So I totally get your frustration. But at the end of the day, you just gotta let people do their thing. That person is someone I respect and value. Even when I want to strangle them. And cry into my pillow.

Close the browser, curse to your teddies and go reread your favourite books. Sometimes you hate a series but it's like a car crash or train wreck - you can't look away.


curious little beastie I finished the whole Immortals series by Alyson Noel. That was probably just because I was feeling masochistic. I honestly don't even think any of the books in the series deserve any stars at all.


message 19: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Wow! Speak of the devil. Hi Kat! *waves like an uncool person*


message 18: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 fαuzαn just reminded me. Some people read for shits and giggles. You know how fun it can be watching things burn? Watching delusional egocentric singers on American Idol embarrass themselves? It's kinda like that but with books. Reading crappy books can be an enjoyment of its own.


message 17: by Megan (new)

Megan Kat wrote: "A good friend of mine read all of the Fever Series and HATED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

And what was worse was that she read them and constantly updated with angry rants.

Every time I saw one I w..."


For reals? Someone hated Fever AND Marchetta? And you are still friends with that person? You are a much more forgiving person than I, Kat Kennedy!


message 16: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. @Jim, Skyla, Experiment, and Kat - thanks for talking me down off the ledge (or soapbox, depending on how you look at it) lol

@Karla - thanks for the high-five lol (and I did end up buying that book because of the review on your blog today and I'm loving it :)


message 15: by Amber J. (last edited Apr 12, 2012 12:18AM) (new)

Amber J. Experiment BL626 wrote: "fαuzαn just reminded me. Some people read for shits and giggles. You know how fun it can be watching things burn? Watching delusional egocentric singers on American Idol embarrass themselves?"

Yup, the auditions rounds of American Idol is hilarious. But even after the judges have told them they have no talent, some of the same people keep showing up to audition in the next city, and the city after that, or even the next season, only to be rejected over and over and over. Hmm, now what does that remind me of?...
(I can't stop driving my point home, even though I've already been proven wrong lol)


message 14: by Jim (new)

Jim Amber J. wrote: "@Jim, Skyla, Experiment, and Kat - thanks for talking me down off the ledge (or soapbox, depending on how you look at it) lol"

Amber, you know that I have the highest respect for your intellect and your opinions. I read through the later comments this morning, and all of them were thoughtful and made very good sense to me. I would happily befriend every one of the discussants if I thought they were interested. Intelligent discussion is one of the best things on Goodreads!

Agree or disagree, I always learn from other points of view if they are thoughtfully expressed. I see that on every comment in this thread.

Just one more point that relates to a lot of the previous thoughts. Anger and rants - all such emotional reactions - have a short-term feel-good effect for lots of people. But they are very stressful for the ranter - not talking about the author here. And chronic stress does a lot of longer-term damage to brain and body.

One early 'warning' sign of this is a sense of deep fatigue after a major emotional stress, sometimes a day or two later. I can tell you, from my own experience, that the effects can get much worse over time. Bottom line: chronic anger/stress is very bad for you.

There has been some very good recent work on this. Here is one excellent example that may be of interest:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

You can get a free PDF of that article here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

The same author (Amy Arnsten at Yale) has an updated article in the April 2012 issue of Scientific American (paid subscription, but available through some libraries in print or online). The article is "This is your brain in meltdown".


message 13: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Jim wrote: "There has been some very good recent work on this. Here is one excellent example that may be of interest:"


thanks for the link...but this part actually scared me a little: Thus, acute uncontrollable stress impairs PFC-mediated cognitive functions in humans and animals and switches the control of behaviour and emotion to more primitive brain circuits.


message 12: by Jim (new)

Jim Amber J. wrote: "
thanks for the link...but this part actually scared me a little: Thus, acute uncontrollable stress impairs PFC-mediated cognitive functions in humans and animals and switches the control of behaviour and emotion to more primitive brain circuits."


Yes! It scares the bejeezus out of me, because I know it is true.

Prefrontal cortex is where you do most of your 'thinking' - rational analysis, working memory, etc. You can't reason your way through a complex situation without it - though you can handle a lot of more routine situations better with the 'more primitive' brain circuits.

What Arnsten is showing is that uncontrollable stress SHUTS DOWN your prefrontal lobes, so you lose your power to reason and make logical decisions. That would scare anyone with an IQ.

I deal with these problems very frequently, working under heavy stress and having to push stuff through my frontal lobes even while they are inhibited. I get headaches. It's a problem.

We all need to find ways to maintain rational control over our behavior, especially in (the many) situations where emotional responses come quickly to the surface. I am as guilty as anyone, and I have to work on it every day.


message 11: by Experiment BL626 (new)

Experiment BL626 Amber J. wrote: "@Jim, Skyla, Experiment, and Kat - thanks for talking me down off the ledge (or soapbox, depending on how you look at it) lol"

...Damn, I was trying to do the opposite. I need to retake some classes in Asshole Academy. I stink of failure. Y_Y


message 10: by Amber J. (new)

Amber J. Experiment BL626 wrote: "...Damn, I was trying to do the opposite. I need to retake some classes in Asshole Academy. I stink of failure. Y_Y"

well, I guess it's entirely possible I could still say "Fuck it" and jump anyway when I write my own review, so don't give up hope just yet lol


message 9: by Jim (new)

Jim @Amber and Experiment - You guys crack me up!

Experiment, from what I have seen of your thought process, you would never be admitted to A.A., or would be ejected in your first semester.

Amber, you will write your own review if and when you want to, and you will say exactly what you are thinking in that powerful brain, if and when you do. :)

Just stay as calm as you can, and stay healthy - both of you - please.


message 8: by Steph (last edited Apr 12, 2012 03:51PM) (new)

Steph Sinclair I think I am guilty of 1 starring a series. And I regret nothing! Lol. A few years back I was apart of a mom's group that highly recommended The House of Night series to me. I mean, they talked it up like no tomorrow. So naturally I practically tripped over myself running to my library. I checked out books 1-4 and started reading.

Long story short, I thought they were a piece of shit. I couldn't understand why these grown women loved that series. But they encouraged me to read "just one more" because "it gets really good in the next one!" Well, read the next one, lost some brain cells and called it quits. I think they all have 1 stars, but no reviews.

For me, sometimes I try to give series a few tries before I banish them from my TBR list. Other times the badness just entertains me so well that I can't stop reading! XD <=== This is also the reason why I finish books that I'm ranting about while reading. I hate not finishing things. It bothers me.


message 7: by Jim (new)

Jim Okay, Stephanie, I am marking this down - The House of Night - DO NOT READ!!! Check. Even if a group of moms tells you how great it is!! Check.

This is why you and I are such good friends! I don't have any brain cells left to lose, and you protect the few I have that still work!

Plus, your rants are absolutely hilarious, as anyone who has read your reviews will know. So it is all win for me and your horde of friends and followers.

But is it okay for you? You don't feel right about not finishing things, and I think that's great! It certainly works out for us. I just hope it works out for you.

Just call it Jim's feel-right-o-meter. :)


message 6: by Steph (last edited Apr 12, 2012 04:01PM) (new)

Steph Sinclair Stephanie Sinclair, Protector of les Cellules du Cerveau. Lol. Or something like that.

Oh, Jim. I HAVE to finish what I start (unless it's unreadable, like Above for example). Otherwise, I'll be up all night wondering how it ended. It will plague me! Plus, when I'm reviewing a book that's not going so well, I want to be able to say without a doubt that it was awful because of X, Y, and Z.

And of course, at some point most books stop becoming bad and turn into lulz worthy. Just another form of entertainment from then until the end! Ha!


message 5: by Jim (new)

Jim Haha, I love that Stephanie! Believe me, I need a Neuron Protector - in any language..

I understand, empathize and agree with the logic of all your points. Except the part about how they stop being bad and start entertaining. That is a mental transformation that I couldn't make even on my best day.

But I certainly enjoy the way you grind on to the end, and make it entertaining for all of us along the way!!

Jim's Medal of Honor for Book Tenacity!


message 4: by Steph (new)

Steph Sinclair Jim, you'll find I can find humor in most bad books. It's the only way to survive them. Lol. Kat says its because my soul is black. Hmmm... possible. :3


message 3: by Jim (new)

Jim Hmmmm...I can see the connection. Whatever the cause, the skill is admirable, especially in the way you use it. Please don't change, as long as it works for you!


message 2: by Ceilidh (new)

Ceilidh There is another reason for reading all the books in the series even when they make your eyes want to bleed (coughTwilightcough) and ultimately culminates in 4 1 star ratings...when you have 2 awesome tween nieces who give you the whole series for your birthday and want to talk about it. *facepalm*


message 1: by Kat Kennedy (last edited Apr 13, 2012 07:07AM) (new)

Kat Kennedy @Megan - I know! It seems statistically impossible. I should be sainted for my control and magnanimous behaviour.

Ya know, cause I'm famous for both those things!

@Ceilidh cute!


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