I'm an ISTJ, usually, which is a good combination for a librarian.

:D
I also vote for Christy's brand of crazy.

Christy I'm an INTP no J no P no J, no wait, INFP... It varies. But the spinning top lands in your area at least 40% of the time.

An amazing thought, Jude but it would be far too cold up here in Antartica.

crazy in glass houses: my dream colony

Yes, I usually dig myself in deeper and deeper.

Christy: Also, I said that in response to a post that has since disappeared, so now I look extra crazy :)

That's what we like about you, Christy. EXTRA crazy with every post!

I’m an INTJ. Every time I read descriptions of INTJs it makes us sound like assholes. We do things like argue points that we don’t even necessarily agree with and are generally intolerant of mistakes or slipups. I use it as an excuse for my bad personality.

Also, I said that in response to a post that has since disappeared, so now I look extra crazy :)

Well, I have to ask (and, as I started the thread, I feel entitled to interrupt), what is your Myers-Briggs type, Christy?

Yeah, that's because it was a mess of italics that never ended so I took it away until I could fix it. A bit anal retentive on my part, I know. I have a Myers-Briggs personality type to make me feel a little better about being uptight. It's not my fault!

Well, we were discussing whether it's non-partisan or not. So I guess the question is are they encouraging people to participate in politics in general and vote no matter who they vote for?

I think I was asking a question you already answered -- didn't see post #56.

Christy wrote: "But what are they being encouraged to do about it? I thought they promoted voting for Obama specifically, but maybe I'm wrong about that. "

yes MoveOn supported Obama. but i don't understand your question - encourage who to do what about what?

But what are they being encouraged to do about it? I thought they promoted voting for Obama specifically, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

welp - as a nobody-is-actually-liberal-enough-to-suit-me kinda gal, i'd say MoveOn is pretty damn partisan - the part way over on the left where i find my friends. still completely annoyed by style, however, so i spammed em.

I don't disagree with you. MoveOn appealed to me because it's non partisan. There are many members who voted for Bush, don't like what he did, and want to do something about it.

Wasn't the purpose of MoveOn to get past the partisanship and let "real people" participate in politics? That concept is great, but I'm afraid it has just become so partisan (or at least it appears that way to “outsiders”) that it does itself a disservice. I might not be correct about what the goal of the organization is, and I can accept that. All I can say is I think they would be even more effective if they tried to appeal to a broader range of citizens.

It's the choir who has to get out and vote. MoveOn's aim is not to convert people, it's to empower people politically.

Christy wrote: "The issue I have with MoveOn.org is (as the Onion parody notes) they spend much of their time preaching to the choir."

As do many issue-oriented organizations. The choir is who they know about, who they can contact. I've belonged to Move On almost since its inception and I haven't noticed that they're any more aggressive than other organizations that consistently show up in my mailbox.

The issue I have with MoveOn.org is (as the Onion parody notes) they spend much of their time preaching to the choir. Their approach is aggressive and off-putting and doesn’t appeal to many people who don’t already agree with what they’re promoting. Just as PETA does little to appeal to people who are meat-eating/fur-wearers, MoveOn doesn’t market itself very well to people who haven’t “seen the light,” as you suggest, or who might be on the fence.

In early '04 came to the very sad and deeply disturbing realization my country's governmental policies were evil. I felt helpless and depressed. What could I do? Someone recommended MoveOn to me and I was able to channel my anger. I canvassed my neighborhood to get the vote out for John Kerry, spoke out on the local TV news against Karl Rove, demonstrated against the war, delivered signatures to Carl Levin.
I helped bring about change.

MoveOn is the best thing that ever happened to this sonambulistic society.

Yep.
MoveOn.org
Spamming our way to a better tomorrow.

I think that successfully answers the question "what's wrong with MoveOn.org?"

I remember that! Its awesome!

Obama said. "I'm trying to make the world a better place, but with all the time I've been spending deleting e-mails, it's going to take me forever."

Hahahahahaha!!!

I love it!

I love The Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/929...

What's wrong with Move On?

I totally understand that, Sandi, I even wish Moveon.org would just Move On.

Jackie "the Librarian" wrote: "Yeah, it's hard to stomach sanctimonious, no matter what side it's coming from."

Exactly! My husband likes listening to Air America, but I can't stand it for the same reason I can't stand Rush Limbaugh. Neither Democrats nor Republicans are 100% bad or 100% good. Both sides have valid viewpoints and both sides have crappy viewpoints. The reason I voted for Obama is because he promised a move away from the venom that has infected politics in the last couple of decades.

Yeah, it's hard to stomach sanctimonious, no matter what side it's coming from.

Rush is funny much of the time; Bill O is a sanctimonious jerk.

So you're nerd-adjacent :)

Or at least, adjacent to a nerd.

Thanks Bun and Sandy, much appreciated. I'm not a sci-fi type but it's all my brother reads...

Nerd adjacent!!! LMAO!

From MSNBC:

Obama: Full-on geek or just 'nerd-adjacent?'

Here's a post on SFFMedia:

Barack Obama will be a science fiction and fantasy president

Woot!

I read about it on Tor.com before the election. Apparently, he did the "Live long and prosper" thing during a speech somewhere and he's referred to Star Wars several times.

We don't know he is a sci fi geek, but Sandi heard it somewhere.

How do we know Obama is a sci-fi geek?

well i'm old enough to be unsurprised by anything at this point, but i am sorta thinkin we might get to see news dominated by a reality-based politician...

Unh unh, I understand we can't shut them down because of the damn 1st Amendment and all, but I really do think they are dangerous. I know soooo many people (most of my family, unfortunately) who listen to what they say as gospel. If nothing else, I think all of their shows should have a real-time fact check ticker scrolling under all of their broadcasts. (Not sure how that would happen in radio...)

Good point...

I wish we got a four year break from Rush and Bill.

ah no - i think wounded sputtering is gonna be every bit as amusing as arrogant gloating - without the by-product despair :->!

Yes, Mr. Limbaugh seems to be reinvigorated as well, unfortunately.

And I love that Bill O, in his capacity as a rational and unbiased voice of reason, is now appealing to Obama to watch out for those left wing idealogues.

I wish we got a four year break from Rush and Bill.

Sarah Pi wrote: "But think of all the unfortunates who made their livings off of Bushism calendars..."

well, there's always Fox News- those folks are apparently digging their heels into whacko for the duration.

But think of all the unfortunates who made their livings off of Bushism calendars...

Not only that he is well read and more intelligent than I, but he speaks eloquently as well. It will be nice to go 4 hopefully 8 years without a national shudder every time the president gets near a michrophone.

I may be a bit old for giddy but I do like the blue sky image Jude used. Smiling now and then because we have an intelligent leader is as close as I'm likely to get to giddy.

Julia wrote: "I'm with Sandi, I'd rec "The Sparrow," to him, but I'm so ***giddy*** that we have a president who is better read than I!!! "

Welcome, Julia! And I share that giddy feeling! I love having a smart and well-read president! Yay!!!

I'm with Sandi, I'd rec "The Sparrow," to him, but I'm so ***giddy*** that we have a president who is better read than I!!!

Lori, out on the leftish, we have issues with the graceful and entertaining Zakaria. Not the least of which is that he makes so many questionable things sound reasonable.