Well, no one said they "despised" Bella, and even so, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

you should not despise bella its her choice

I know what you mean i hate when books do that too its really annoying!!! it flustrats me alot like most of the goosebums doo that all the time i hate it so much

the most important thing in BD was the guarantee of closure. i liked that bella and edward ended up together and got their HEA (yess, i believe in HEAs!!) so yeah sure, it totally made sense for bella to be a vampire (eventually). i would have done things a bit different, but i enjoyed the ending!
what i dont like are books that end on a really ambiguous note, where you're just left to guess whether or not characters end up together, or if they just break up the next day ;)

fair enough!! I actually wouldnt have minded if that book was done in EPOV, although Midnight sun is from his but yeah I wouldnt have minded that...getting everything from his point of view!!

I could never really dislike Breaking Dawn, it is a Twilight book. So I don't speak from a place of not enjoying it, more as, I speak from being disappointed with how much better it could have been.

Had Breaking Dawn been a separate entity from the series, and written by someone else, I would have really liked it, but since it was supposed to be a continuation from the first three books that I loved, it really upset my expectations and a lot of others.

yeah I know aye lmao IDK I tend to have mixed feelings with this book lolz all though it would be a little disturbing transfered to screen I bet they shud have a rating for that! they actually needed to put a rating on the book too, coz like under ten year olds read these books and this was a bit explicit, well not to the extent but not for children lol but yeah I often see myself swinging in every direction with this book lol I find a lot of flaws and alot of favs in this book ;)

Yeah, which is sad, because that was kind of the concept of the series in the first place.

*nods head in agreement* totally on your guys boat!!! ;)

Yeah, totally! It's just not as appealing, I guess?

OMG! yes thats what I mean! haha!

Yeah, I liked her human. Lion and the Lamb is gold. Lion and the Lion is just not the same, and love between two vampires isn't forbidden love.

;) although one thing did pee me off a little lmao I didn't really want her to become a vampire (bella)...in a way I did but then when it happened it kind of felt not interesting anymore!! I liked the way she was human!! it made edward more humerous lmao because he teased her a lot!! so yeah that was dumb, yeh shel still be in danger, but I would have loved her if she stayed human, because she doesnt pull the gracefulness for me as vampire, shes just clumsy old bella to me lol

haha yeah I know and I know what you mean by JPOV but it was hard to get the voice of Jacob going on in my head haha!! but it was done and yeah like I said it was needed but I still dreaded it lmao!! Only because when your reading from Bella's POV you almost think its you in the book, but with Jacob it almost third person view, IDK thats just me haha I messed up just like the book I guess haha!!! OoOh and the bit wit the locket I loved, I got teary eyed IDK y :P:P but yeah this book was my fav outta the lot!! ;)

Without Jacob's point of view, I'm not sure if I could look at the book in the same way. Instead of three stars I would have given it two stars, which is reserved for books I really do not like. Many people do not understand Jacob and his motivations throughout the series, and it really helped shed light on him that many were not able to see previously. Besides, breaking from the pack, and his painful thoughts were very powerful, and added depth.

It wasn't really a happily ever after. The Volturi are still alive, and well. I like happily ever afters too, but I like them to feel in tune with the rest of the books. Breaking Dawn felt too segmented from the others. However, I do like happy endings.

You aren't the only one who enjoyed Breaking Dawn, but this thread is titled in a way so people who didn't enjoy it can voice their opinions, so you are not alone, it's just this thread specifically.

Bella did mature, but it wasn't a more mature Bella, it was like a more mature someone else. A lot of her characteristics were lost with this new found maturity, it didn't even feel like Bella anymore. And she was only eighteen when she had Renesmee, if that had happened in real life, no one would think of it as maturity. They'd think of it as a too early pregnancy.

Stephenie Meyer said the reason she added the POV in was because throughout that portion of the book, Bella was pregnant, and unable to do anything. And the Cullens did not share the situations with her, so that she could be in peace while having the baby. If it had been in Bella's point of view, most of the book would take place in the Cullens living room, on the couch.

Okay so I am probably the only one who did like BD out of the lot, okay eclipse was funny, new moon was devastating (break up) but I seriously like BD, although she could have given us a better sex scene!! seriously lmao but thats not why I liked it, I liked how Bella's character evolved and matured in this book, especially when she had Renesmee in her life, I found it touching that she found her reason for living and not just the edward thing, but a child can change your view on a lot of stuff, but thats what matured her so I liked it!!! the biggest disappointment in my view was changing POV to JPOV, although it is needed I dreaded reading that part lol and maybe getting married was a bit overboard but people must remember that Bella is desperate to become a vampire so she takes anything she can get lol although the volturi didn't seem badass enough...at least no one died!! sorry Imma sucker for happily ever afters and BD gave me some of that haha!!

definitely.

Hehe, that would make things a lot easier. :)

i like that they ended up being together. i liked the closure. so many authors are like: ohh, they're "together"--the end! and it's like, do they get married? do they break up? what happens!
but yeah, that "unbattle" for me was pretty anticlimactic. and i think i spelled that word wrong. i wish goodreads had auto-correct or something :P

I think it's romantic but only when it's spoken well my spanish is terrible I sound like an idiot most of the time.

I agree in a way Melzz

Well, I did like that last phrase, but the other stuff... Don't get me wrong, I could never hate it, but in comparison to the other books and what I'd come to expect, it disappointed. I think it was the fact that it felt so different from the others, like a separate book.

haha we missed the point in here...well I like the honney moon, it was funny to read what Jacob thinks, when all the vampires arround the world come to the cullen house was cool and the end when Bella allows Edward to read her mind it was just perfect for me, so.. basicly I like it XD

Haha, that's not what I meant. What I meant, is if someone's voice is very loud and annoying, even Spanish can't sound romantic. XD

Anyway, I didn't really enjoy Breaking Dawn. I thought it was almost too much of a happy ending...

then I'm not your guy....hahahahha my spanish is completly american XD, I don't like iberic spanish even when is the original :)

Oh, all right. Spanish is romantic when spoken with the right accent.

Melzz wrote:
I can understand that. They say English is going to be the new universal language in the coming decades."

what I mean is that the first school where we learn english is in tv and music, but I think is true... nearly everybody will have to lear english, allready is a requirement for many jobs, any way I love my language the spanish is very romantic XD

Manuel wrote: "here in El Salvador that's our first language school XD"

I can understand that. They say English is going to be the new universal language in the coming decades.

most of the english I know, I've learned watching tv and listenning music, here in El Salvador that's our first language school XD

Well I'm not Mexican I don't have hispanic family everything I know I've been taught over the last year and a half

Ambizzle wrote: "You should Vivi tell how it makes them different for you

I would but I have to limited spanish skills"

okay, my english and spanish are pretty much on the same level

True.

I know but the some use good grammer

Ambizzle wrote: "we'll help with your English just by you reading how we write."

Oh, boy. I don't know about that. Not everyone has proper grammar/punctuation/spelling on here, or uses the right contractions (I know I'm guilty of that one)...

You should Vivi tell how it makes them different for you

I would but I have to limited spanish skills

now im tempted to read the books in spanish

thaks....even so, you know... I always tought spanish was so much dificult than english :D

English is a difficult language we'll help with your English just by you reading how we write.

Not to be picky but your readed should be read.

Just proper English that's all

I think it's always better to read a book in the original language, but I can tell you the 4 books are very well translated... AND SO THE LION FELL IN LOVE WITH THE LAMB/ Y DE ESTE MODO EL LEON SE ENAMORO DE LA OVEJA...

That is all right. I wonder how it is like translated. And the English will come more easily with time. :)

thanks is just that sometimes I don't know if I express my self well or if I write correctly :S, I can't speak english very well and is hard for me to read it somtimes too, actually I readed the saga in spanish

Manuel wrote: "well it was dramatic when she founds out she is in love with Jacob but she has to tell him she can't live without Edward :S... Hey BTW excuse me if my english is not very good, I need to impove it:..."

Your English is just fine

Kill jacob! JK XD

yea, we understand you perfectly :D

Yes, that was dramatic. Plus, the quote (can't fight an eclipse) on that was great. Your english is fine. :)

well it was dramatic when she founds out she is in love with Jacob but she has to tell him she can't live without Edward :S... Hey BTW excuse me if my english is not very good, I need to impove it:D

Manuel wrote: "don't hate me please but...I'd wish Jacob die in Eclipse,it would be more dramatic, plus the imprint with Nessie is a kind of awkward to me..."

You're probably right about the dramatics, but I have a hard time preferring that ending as I almost cried my eyes out when I thought he had died. *sniffle*

I don't like the imprint on Renesmee either. :/

don't hate me please but...I'd wish Jacob die in Eclipse,it would be more dramatic, plus the imprint with Nessie is a kind of awkward to me... Any way in spite of that, I like Breaking Dawn everybody loves happy endings :D

Alexis ♥ wrote: "I was so annoyed when Stephenie just threw in there that they're shapeshifters, not werewolves. Um, some more explanation, please?"

Yeah, I was just... confused. And kind of annoyed. It's like, "Yes, we're werewolves and we think we're awesomer than sparkly bloodsuckers! ...oh wait, sorry, we're NOT werewolves! We're just humans who turn into wolves!" What?

Also, I would've loved a battle at the end... I mean, initially, when I was in the OMG-BREAKING-DAWN-IS-THE-BEST-THING-SINCE-SLICED-BREAD phase (as most of us were), I would've gone, like, psycho. You know, the crazy-fangirl "OMIGOSH I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE KILLED SO-AND-SO HOW COULD SHE DO THAT THAT'S SO MEAN THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!!" thing.

But later on (like now), it's like "Oh. That was a good thing, otherwise the end would've been lame." Although it's actually the opposite, because... well, there's no battle. It's pretty... anticlimactic, I think? Like, they were building this huge idea of the Volturi attacking and how they were all going to have to fight or die- and then nothing happens. :P

It is? Okay. *Gives a few days*

Melzz wrote: "Apparently there's no handbook for shapeshifters. Nobody really knows what they are. There was no book that sort of set them up. I hate to think that Stephenie just used it to avoid the claims that..."

Yeah but they set that up earlier in the books, give me a few days, because I think it's actually foreshadowed in New Moon.