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message 73: by Ed (new)

989715 I like this feature very much, but I wish Goodreads didn't add quotation marks around the quote. Some quotes are multi-paragraph passages and include spoken dialogue within the passage. Putting quotations around the whole passage makes the quote grammatically incorrect.

Maybe add a "Quote is a passage?" checkbox when adding a new quote or editing an existing quote?


message 72: by rivka (new)

171430 Ctrl-F helps a lot. But yes, a filter would be great.


message 71: by Heather (new)

Nophoto-f-25x33 I would like to see a keyword option to narrow down quotes you are looking to combine much like there is when combining books. I was trying to combine quotes by an author with 400 quotes, and found it impossible to find the duplicates I was looking to combine.


message 70: by Otis, Chief Architect (last edited Feb 04, 2009 11:36AM) (new)

1 I think the guidelines on the add a quote page are fairly clear. They were written that way, as someone already said, because we wanted literary quotes and then noticed people really like quotes. We want to collect a large and useful database of inspiring and interesting and even humorous quotes.

The reason for only allowing quotes from notable people is to make sure the quotes are interesting. Your grandmother may be very wise, but we can't be sure people will like her quotes unless she is notable. I think its the only way to do it without opening the floodgates for a lot of useless content.




message 69: by mlady_rebecca (new)

732709 I believe the original idea was just for literary quotes. That got expanded to include quotes from notable people, because of the desire to include quotes from well known people who never wrote a book.

My best guess is this is the clearest line in the sand they could draw without completely restricting things to book quotes, or completely opening up the quote server to anything and everything.

There are proverbs and old sayings that are valuable, but some people seem to want to include every cliched email forward they've ever gotten. Or quote odd things like commercials.

Yes, there are anonymous quotes that are far superior to the endless "Twilight" quotes, but judging those quotes for validity would be extremely subjective.


message 68: by Billy (new)

1301551 Yes, I understand the meaning of "notable people". I'm asking why.

As said, many of the quotes are not perceptive or witty or whatever. But if they are from notable people they are OK, while interesting quotes from non-notable people are not. I also don't see how a paragraph from Twilight qualifies as a quote from a notable person.

I'm not trying to start an argument about this, just curious about the criteria. It doesn't really seem to be very clear cut to me.


message 67: by mlady_rebecca (new)

732709 "Notable People" is also linked to a definition on Wikipedia. Someone's grandmother wouldn't fit the criteria.

Also, many users don't even include quotes that would be considered perceptive or witty. They include inside jokes. Or they put utter nonsense in the quote box. I just deleted a quote that was literally the alphabet written out in lower case letters. What value is there in that?

Personally, I think it's a shame we can't flag users who abuse the quote tool. Because users who do so once, usually do so repeatedly.


message 66: by Lisa (new)

83445 Well, grandmas are not notable people. But maybe Otis can chime in. I don't think any librarian has an agenda. It's up to Goodreads what quotes are allowed and which are not legitimate.


message 65: by Billy (new)

1301551 The guidelines don't say anything about being book related. Actually it says the only criteria is that they be from "notable people".

I just went and looked at the top quotes page. Most were not from books, many not from authors, most not about books. I'm not sure how the Marilyn Monroe quote that appears on the first page is OK (although I don't believe for a second that she said that), but Homer Simpson is not. Miss Piggy is one of the names on the first page.

My question is; What is the point of the quotes, if not to express the personality of the GR member on their page? Since this is a "book-reading" site, not a quote database site, why shouldn't members be able to quote anyone they want? Maybe their friend Dave has something great to say. How does that hurt anyone?

Why would people not care what a member's grandma said if it were perceptive or witty? I like perceptive and witty quotes, I don't particularly think everything a famous person says is interesting. I've skipped around the list and some of them consist of whole pages from "Twilight" or something like that.

I'm not against cleaning up quotes and combining, trying to give the correct credit, etc. I'm all for it. But if librarians are deleting things they don't like it would be better if everyone knew the criteria.


message 64: by Lisa (last edited Feb 04, 2009 08:02AM) (new)

83445 Billy,

Here's the add a quote page:

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/new

The instructions are clear about what kinds of quotes can be added.

I don't think it's silly at all to have the quotes book related. I don't see quotes as a way to expand our personality profiles. We can do that on our profile pages. Quotes go into the Goodreads database and there's close to 2 million members, and quotes should be of interest to many of those members. And this is a books-reading site, not just a social site. Hence the book related guidelines.

Edit: Needless to say, most members wouldn't care what a single member's grandma said, no matter how perceptive or funny.


message 63: by Billy (new)

1301551 I had no idea quotes were supposed to be book related. Besides being a silly rule, it would seem most of the quotes here would not fit in that category. Is there something that tells people the quotes should be book related?

I don't really understand, is GR trying to build a "great quotes" depository? There are lots of those on the web. I thought the quotes were just to expand on your personality profile. Why shouldn't someone have quotes from their grandma?


message 62: by Lenore (new)

1949622 Isis_FG wrote: "Quotes are deleted by librarians mainly if they are not book related..."

Hmmm.... I do have some that are not strictly speaking book-related and a few that are unattributed. So it sounds like if I care about the integrity of my quote collection, I had better export often, since I don't "own" my quotes here on goodreads.

Thanks for the clarification. It's just what I need to make my decision.


message 61: by Isis FG (new)

946249 Lenore wrote: "I love the new (to me -- I'm new too!) quote feature and look forward to storing my favorite quotes here on goodreads. But now I have noticed that quotes can be deleted by librarians. What happen..."

Quotes are deleted by librarians mainly if they are not book related...things like Homer Simpson quotes, quotes by your grandma, stuff like that. Sometimes quotes are also deleted if they are nonsensical (typos, etc) and no correct version can be found, or if the quote is misattributed. Basically, librarians are just trying to keep the quotes section book related and correctly listed.


message 60: by Lenore (new)

1949622 I love the new (to me -- I'm new too!) quote feature and look forward to storing my favorite quotes here on goodreads. But now I have noticed that quotes can be deleted by librarians. What happens in that case? Not that I would enter a revolting quote or anything, but I would like to be sure that my collection of quotes would remain intact or that I would at least be provided with a copy before it disappeared.


message 59: by Robyn (new)

728000 oh cool thanks! :-)


message 58: by rivka (new)

171430 Click on "x people liked this quote" and you will be taken to a page with an "edit" option.


message 57: by Robyn (new)

728000 How do you edit the quotes? There are no options next to any of my quotes that allow me to edit them.
Also, I'm not sure if you already have this, but it would be really cool if we could export our favorite quotes in order to save it on a computer. Currently I'm typing in my favorite quotes and copying it to a word file and it would be really cool to just type it in one place and be finished :-)




message 56: by Newengland (new)

730754 I'm always short on cache myself.


message 55: by Lisa (new)

83445 Laura, I've noticed than when people are editing quotes, that the results don't show right away. Think it's a caching issue.


message 54: by Laura (last edited Feb 19, 2008 07:14AM) (new)

187043 Sorry, but I'm not seeing how to edit quotes and fix the author where the quote has more than 10 fans. When I tried to change the inaccurate Dahl quote (which has something like 84 fans), I got a message saying the change had been saved but nothing actually changed on the quote itself. Or did you mean that you're going to implement that capability for librarians? Thanks.


message 53: by Robyn (last edited Feb 18, 2008 09:22PM) (new)

728000 Do you think you could make a quotes widget that doesn't use javascript? I'd really like to be able to put it on my myspace. Thanks!!


message 52: by rivka (new)

171430 I've been using that, but this would be easier. :)

Thanks!


message 51: by Otis, Chief Architect (new)

1 Good call. I always use my browser's search function (in firefox its command-F), but we'll try to add that as well!


message 50: by Lisa (new)

83445 Thanks Rivka!


message 49: by rivka (new)

171430 Otis, how about the ability to filter a list of quotes, like when combining books?

Thanks!


message 48: by rivka (new)

171430 Click on a quote's author. One of the options on the right is "combine quotes"; clicking on it gets you checkboxes.

Have fun. :)


message 47: by Lisa (new)

83445 Otis? Rivka? Anybody?

Could you please post instructions? Thanks. I haven't tried that hard, I admit. But not seeing to how combine quotes.

Thanks for any help.


message 46: by rivka (new)

171430 Quote combining is now live - I just played with it and it's working well!

You tempteth me! *eyes movie she was planning to watch next*


message 45: by Otis, Chief Architect (new)

1 Quote combining is now live - I just played with it and it's working well!

As for quotes that are incorrect, that's a good question. You should be able to edit it and correct the author, which I think is the best way to do it.


message 44: by Laura (new)

187043 While we're on the topic: is there any way to indicate that a quote is, um, wrong?

For example, I noticed today that on Roald Dahl's author page, he's listed as the originator of the quotation, "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams." Not only did Dahl not originate that quote, but it doesn't even appear in one of his books -- it's recited (ironically, no less) in the movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. (The quote is actually origianlly from the British poet Arthur O'Shaughnessy. In fairness to whoever put it on Dahl's page, I've learned over the years that a lot of people think it comes originally from Roald Dahl, so poor O'Shaughnessy is probably rotating in his grave.) But there's no way to fix it on Dahl's author page, or, as far as I can tell, even to alert someone that it should be corrected. Is there something I'm missing, and if not, can that feature be added?


message 43: by Otis, Chief Architect (new)

1 Merge capability is way overdue, so we'll add it over the weekend - thanks for the reminder!


message 42: by rivka (new)

171430 I would. I edited bunches.


message 41: by Randy (new)

835189 Just trying to clean up some of the nonsense that gets transcribed as a quote...

Any news yet on the combine/merge capability?

Geesh, you wouldn’t believe how many people leave empty spaces after they’re done typing; resulting in a “really long quote.




;)


message 40: by Otis, Chief Architect (new)

1 Quotes are relatively new so we haven't built the combine feature yet - be I know we need it. We'll try to improve the author-link editing too!


message 39: by Chelsea (last edited Jan 09, 2008 11:19PM) (new)

122606 Paul - I must have missed that episode! I, for one, would totally read that book.


message 38: by Melissa (last edited Jan 09, 2008 09:15PM) (new)

229139 Just wanted to say that I really like this feature! Also, agree with many here with the idea of being able to "organize" your quotations in some way! Love the site!

EDIT: Also, would love the quotations linked to the author, which others have requested as well!


message 37: by Paul (new)

696464 Chelsea,

He already did, actually. One riddled with "plot holes and spelling errors" called "Fry Tricks The Brain".

(I'm a nerd, yup)

ref: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/The_Day_t...




message 36: by Chelsea (new)

122606 Paul,

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but there's an author entry for Dorothy Parker - actually, there's two, now that I take a closer look - so I'm still unclear on why that happens.

But if Otis and Co. are aware, than that's all I need to know.

Clearly, the answer to your problem would be for Fry to write a book. Everybody wins!


message 35: by Paul (new)

696464 Chelsea,

That's because there isn't an "author" entry for Ms. Parker, so it resorts to some random author in it's place. (One assumes it's because you've got a variant "dorthy parker" versus the one-book-having Dorthy Parker in the database.)

I ran into the same problem putting in a quote from a non-author, Philip J. Fry (of Futurama fame).

Otis et al. is aware of it and they're resolving the issue.

- P


message 34: by Lisa (new)

83445 Chelsea & All,

Yes, I've noticed that duplicate quotes are a problem. But I was wondering how to merge. I think the person who entered the quote first should "get the credit" but there's no way to tell who did, although there is a way to tell which version of the quote has gotten the most votes.

I guess some Goodreads users aren't using the wonderful search function before they enter a "new" quote, because the search function does work really well.

But being able to merge duplicates would be a good thing! Chelsea, thanks for posting about it.


message 33: by Chelsea (new)

122606 Two questions (comments?):
First, is there a way to combine quotes, similar to how I can combine different editions of a book? Specifically, Dorothy Parker, where her delightful "book to be thrown aside" quote shows up three separate times. I've figured out how to edit and delete quotes, but I don't want to just delete the two with the smaller numbers, especially because people have added them. Am I missing something?

Also, when I look at a list of an author's quotes - say, Ms. Parker's, above - the ones I've already added have a link in place of the "add quote" box that says "in my quotes". When I click one of those links, I end up at a random author profile.


message 32: by Suziqoregon (new)

234607 OK - Love the quotes widget, but the font on the title portion of it is a bit overwhelming (large and bold) on my blog. Can that be changed to the same font characteristics as the title in the My Books widget??

I'd like to put those two widgets next to each other, so the font matching would look much better.


message 31: by Paul (new)

696464 Awesome awesome. I love the responsiveness of you guys!


message 30: by Robyn (new)

728000 Yay! That was exactly what I had in mind! I have myspace though so I can't use it :-( Do you think you can make a flash one sometime? thanks so much!! and again...this site rocks...I've been looking for a way to organize all the books I've read and want to read and all the thoughts and quotes I've gotten from them, and this has everything!!


message 29: by Otis, Chief Architect (new)

1 A new quotes widget is a stellar idea. So stellar that I decided to whip it up this evening - so enjoy it!

http://www.goodreads.com/review/widgets


message 28: by Robyn (new)

728000 I love the quote feature! I'm new to this site and it is really useful. It would be cool if you could create a widget so that you can put one of your favorite quotes on your blog..or even one that will chose a random quote from your favorite quotes everytime someone views your blog. Would something like this be possible?


message 27: by Otis, Chief Architect (new)

1 Hey Rk,

Good to see you are still around? What would you want? Just new quotes? Quote of the day? You can get an RSS feed of your friend updates, which includes quotes they might add, on your homepage (link at the bottom).



message 26: by Rk (new)

4676 Could a rss feed be possible of the quotes feature ?


message 25: by Lisa (new)

83445 I also notice that if you don't assign a book to a quote at the time you first enter it, you cannot go back and do so later. Is that right or am I just missing how? Thanks.


message 24: by Lisa (new)

83445 Re the delete fix. Thanks! That will be really helpful.


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