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message 151: by R.C. (new)

1618522 This group-think is a little scary. Before I submitted the example of Robert Frost as a better poet than Mohit, I considered Emily Dickinson and Langston Hughes (different poems though).





message 152: by Megan (last edited Feb 03, 2009 10:55AM) (new)

1401256 Amazon's sales rank for Ponder Awhile: #1,372,697
Amazon's sales rank for Hamlet: #2,526
Amazon's lowest ranked Shakespeare book: #86,572

Sir John Gielgud's Ages of Man is out of print; the only purchase option is a used audio cassett or download. So it's not really surprising his book would have a higher sales rate than an audio tape that's no longer produced.

I'm also curious as to how they determine their bestsellers, considering they don't actually sell anything.


message 153: by R.C. (new)

1618522 Of course what you really want to know is not the relative sales rank, but how many copies of a book have actually been sold, compared to the average number of copies a book sells.

People love to cling to statistics that support their argument, even if they are not relevant to the argument.


message 154: by R.C. (last edited Feb 03, 2009 12:08PM) (new)

1618522 This question about book ranking intrigued me, so I did some web research and found the following analysis (may not be accurate):

If the book’s average ranking is:
2,000,000-plus, then perhaps a single inventory/consignment copy has been ordered.

1,000,000-plus, the current trends indicate total sales will most likely be under 40.

100,00-plus, then current trends indicate total sales will most likely be under 200.

10,000-plus, you can estimate between 1 – 10 copies are being sold per week.

1,000-plus, you can estimate between 10 – 100 copies are being sold per week.

100-plus, you can estimate between 100 – 200 copies are being sold per week.

10-plus, you can estimate between 200 – 1000 copies are being sold per week.

In the top 10, you can estimate over 1,000 copies are per week


message 155: by Nathan (last edited Feb 03, 2009 01:43PM) (new)

42379 Before I submitted the example of Robert Frost as a better poet than Mohit, I considered Emily Dickinson and Langston Hughes (different poems though).

That's funny. I was going to use the same Robert Frost poem you used.



message 156: by Nathan (new)

42379 1,000,000-plus, the current trends indicate total sales will most likely be under 40.

I have my doubts Mohit has even sold that many copies.



message 157: by Nathan (new)

42379 I think Mohit ran away because he realized how ridiulous he was being. At least, I hope that's why he ran away.


message 158: by R.C. (new)

1618522 I think he ran away because of a difference in the definition of the word debate:

While we used:


"...a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal"

Mohit used:


"... received knowledge from Mohit the Englightened (as proven by BestWebBuy.com ranking for book of bad poetry). If you don't agree you are stupid."


The other day I had the entertaining privilege of listening to two Mohits', arguing why the Koran is not a collection of made up stories, while the New Testament is (and visa-versa). No physical violence, but a lot of yelling. This was after attending a lecture from a distinguished philosopher.

His topic? "The Myth of Religious Wars"


message 159: by Johnc (new)

Nophoto-u-25x33 ouch. i wonder if this guy has really spent ANY time with people in his life, cause i don't know how people can put up with that shit..... looks like he's gone too now. or at least he's said his goodbyes. lol, how many is that now that have run?


message 160: by Nicole (new)

2221873 The problem of pain is a serious problem when it comes to "Innocent" animals suffering. This outlook on life that the flesh is sinful works well to a christian that is forgiven of his worldly desires, but to someone who doesn't subscribe to this world view, it poses a huge problem. The idea that before the fall the lion and the lamb lay together in the garden is absurd from a biological perspective. A lion has a digestive system that processes meat. I have never heard much about how this could be. Did god suddenly zap all the predictor's tummies to now be "evil" predators? So, if by believing that all sin comes from our desires, this becomes counter intuitive when we look at it from the point of view of survival. Our systems use pain and desires to get us to survive and reproduce. If we were supposed to be happy and content always, then I doubt we would have survived as a species.
So, my question to all the christians out there is, if we hadn't sinned in the garden, what would our bodies have been like? would we have pain? It's seems that pain has a lot of value, we pull away a burnt hand even before we are conscience of the pain. Would our bodies have been perfect, and if so, how?


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God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question--Why We Suffer (other topics)
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